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| vakkov | 1504 sdk installation freezes on Generating keys (/home/vakko/SailfishOS/bin/merssh generatesshkeys '/home/vakko/SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/engine/root' '/home/vakko/SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/engine/root.pub') | 06:21 |
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| vakkov | ubuntu 14.04 64 bit... anyone who has an idea? | 06:22 |
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| vakkov | slight possibility that the broadcom wireless driver causes a problem when generating the keys | 06:29 |
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| vakkov | mm yes, rmmod wl.ko does the job | 06:32 |
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| xkr47 | kimmoli, feel like reopening the "how to prevent charging from USB [not a question]" non-question because I have further improvement ideas that could benefit from a "separate discussion thread" | 06:50 |
| xkr47 | kimmoli, what do you think? | 06:50 |
| xkr47 | can discuss it here too | 06:50 |
| kimmoli | xkr47: discussion here ok, results to TJC ? | 06:51 |
| xkr47 | ok | 06:51 |
| xkr47 | soo.. I have been playing around with your suggestion and the suggestion by LVPVS | 06:51 |
| xkr47 | when applied separately, both have the effect of making the device not use usb power at all and use the phone battery for powering the phone | 06:52 |
| xkr47 | however, this particular sequence causes the phone to not charge the battery, but still use usb power for powering the device: | 06:52 |
| xkr47 | chmod u+w /sys/class/power_supply/usb/charger_disable | 06:52 |
| xkr47 | echo 1 > /sys/module/pm8921_charger/parameters/disabled | 06:52 |
| xkr47 | echo 1 > /sys/class/power_supply/usb/charger_disable | 06:52 |
| xkr47 | echo 0 > /sys/class/power_supply/usb/charger_disable | 06:52 |
| xkr47 | ---- | 06:52 |
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| xkr47 | charging is then resumed by doing: | 06:53 |
| xkr47 | echo 0 > /sys/module/pm8921_charger/parameters/disabled | 06:53 |
| xkr47 | ----- | 06:53 |
| xkr47 | I find this hilarious and wonder if what I'm doing is safe by any means :D :D | 06:53 |
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| xkr47 | continuing, this was as reported by the "Hunger meter" software, which reported 0mW when using my procedure above | 06:55 |
| xkr47 | I will now try to reproduce it with your "Charge monitor" app | 06:55 |
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| xkr47 | ok your app reports around -1..-2 mA | 06:58 |
| xkr47 | and I can see the hunger meter also reports -3mW now | 06:58 |
| xkr47 | it fluctuates a bit | 06:58 |
| xkr47 | but effectively it's not charging nor decharging, since normally when using battery only the usage is 200+mA and when charging it's normally below -200mA | 06:59 |
| TemeV | that few milliamps easily leak through even if "charging switch" is off | 07:00 |
| xkr47 | I also notice that when needed, it still uses battery power if the usb power is not sufficient (luckily! :) | 07:00 |
| xkr47 | TemeV yeah and it might be even be a measurement accuracy issue | 07:01 |
| TemeV | But that means it is possible to make battery other half which actually works as a battery | 07:01 |
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| TemeV | xkr47: yeah more likely it is measurement error | 07:02 |
| tathhu | It's done already | 07:02 |
| tathhu | IIRC :D | 07:02 |
| tathhu | Proto and stuff | 07:02 |
| xkr47 | is there anybody here who would have a clue a) if this procedure is safe to use b) what causes this particular sequence to give different behaviour than when using the settings separately | 07:02 |
| TemeV | xkr47: what happens if you unplug usb at this point :) | 07:03 |
| TemeV | phone shuts down? | 07:03 |
| xkr47 | the "Battery monitor" app also reports the same behaviour | 07:03 |
| xkr47 | TemeV, it starts using battery | 07:04 |
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| xkr47 | battery drain levels go up to normal unplugged state (in all three apps) | 07:04 |
| TemeV | xkr47: interesting, so there is some fail safe mechanism | 07:04 |
| xkr47 | replugging-> ~0mA usage | 07:04 |
| xkr47 | so the setting persists | 07:05 |
| xkr47 | or behaviour rather | 07:05 |
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| xkr47 | and finally after replugging clearing the pm8921 setting back to normal resumes charging | 07:06 |
| TemeV | is the second echo command actually needed? | 07:08 |
| xkr47 | which one? | 07:08 |
| xkr47 | the initial state is that the pm8921 and power_supply settings are 0 | 07:08 |
| TemeV | echo 1 > /sys/class/power_supply/usb/charger_disable | 07:08 |
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| xkr47 | yes, because it's 0 from the beginning | 07:09 |
| xkr47 | but well I didn't try writing a zero there when it was already 0 | 07:09 |
| xkr47 | can try | 07:09 |
| TemeV | but writing to pm8921 doesn't change it | 07:09 |
| TemeV | ? | 07:09 |
| xkr47 | a sec | 07:09 |
| xkr47 | you were right | 07:09 |
| xkr47 | lol | 07:10 |
| xkr47 | step 2 is not needed | 07:10 |
| xkr47 | echoing a 0 to power_supply has some effect regardless of it's current value (if read) | 07:10 |
| TemeV | ok, now it makes some sense :) | 07:10 |
| xkr47 | let me verify it one more time | 07:10 |
| TemeV | they are not regular files and value you read from them might not be the one you just wrote there | 07:11 |
| xkr47 | confirmed | 07:11 |
| xkr47 | yes I know, but if I had coded it I would have checked "ah, no change in value, I'll do nothing" :D | 07:11 |
| xkr47 | but maybe it makes no sense to read the value first from the hardware | 07:11 |
| xkr47 | and there is no cached value available | 07:12 |
| xkr47 | fine, so let me summarize: | 07:12 |
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| xkr47 | http://pastebin.com/hbAnkQbQ | 07:14 |
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| TemeV | the "is this safe" question is still valid though, but I can't really think of a reason why it weren't | 07:18 |
| xkr47 | yes | 07:19 |
| coderus | xkr47: usb powering device? is that possible? afaik phone is ALWAYS powered from battery, even if it charging. | 07:19 |
| xkr47 | coderus, it seems it just stops the battery current from going negative, still using battery power if more is needed than available over usb | 07:20 |
| xkr47 | so it occasionally goes above 0mA, but when idling stays around 0 | 07:20 |
| xkr47 | cloned my pastebin entry to gist: https://gist.github.com/xkr47/63f9bef333459c3773f1 | 07:21 |
| xkr47 | will continue revisioning it there, if any | 07:21 |
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| xkr47 | TemeV coderus kimmoli: my theory: http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/tmp/jolla-usb-power-theory.png | 07:49 |
| xkr47 | well just proved my theory wrong because swapping the settings doesn't work | 07:51 |
| kimmoli | assumption is mother of all f... ? | 07:51 |
| xkr47 | touché | 07:51 |
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| xkr47 | TemeV coderus kimmoli: my theory v2.0: http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/tmp/jolla-usb-power-theory2.png | 08:07 |
| xkr47 | I have verified with a spreasheet (!) that this seems to match all observed behaviour so far | 08:08 |
| kimmoli | xkr47: what is function of B ? if both values propagate to A ? | 08:09 |
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| kimmoli | based on that diagram, setting either to 1, will disconnect both ? | 08:10 |
| xkr47 | if you set 1 to pm8921 and 0 to power_supply then usb-power is active | 08:10 |
| xkr47 | while if you set 1 to power_supply and 0 to pm8921 then usb-power is inactive | 08:11 |
| xkr47 | setting either to 1 will disconnect usb power yes | 08:11 |
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| kimmoli | your switches are in series, and by text; pm8921 opens A+C -> all off, and power_supply opens A+B+D --> all off ? | 08:11 |
| kimmoli | and phone powered from battery only, when either is 1 | 08:12 |
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| xkr47 | ok let me try | 08:13 |
| xkr47 | initially, all switches are connected -> charging, using usb power | 08:13 |
| kimmoli | yes, pm = 0, power_supply = 0 | 08:14 |
| xkr47 | if someone now writes 1 to pm8921, then switches A and C are disconnected | 08:14 |
| xkr47 | so no charging, no usb power | 08:14 |
| kimmoli | yes, phone powered from battery only | 08:14 |
| xkr47 | writing 0 to pm8921 -> A & C connected aggain -> charging, usb power | 08:14 |
| kimmoli | back to time 0 | 08:15 |
| xkr47 | write 1 to pm8921 -> A & C disconnected -> no charge, no usb power | 08:15 |
| xkr47 | write 0 to power_supply -> A & B & D connected -> no charge, usb power | 08:15 |
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| kimmoli | power_supply was 0 ? so writing 0 again there affects in sequence? | 08:16 |
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| kimmoli | so it is more like transition to state, than logical bit | 08:16 |
| xkr47 | yes | 08:16 |
| xkr47 | exactly | 08:16 |
| xkr47 | I will refine my theory text in the image to indicate this more clearly | 08:17 |
| kimmoli | so, there is only switches A and C. then transition table (not thruth table) | 08:17 |
| xkr47 | or try to | 08:17 |
| xkr47 | ? | 08:17 |
| kimmoli | so initial state is after reboot | 08:17 |
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| * xkr47 eagerly waits for better/more elegant counter-theory | 08:18 | |
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| kimmoli | power up --> charge, usb power (A closed, C closed), write pm=1, no charge, no usb-power (A open, C open) | 08:19 |
| kimmoli | write power-supply=0, no charge, usb power (A closed, C open) | 08:19 |
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| kimmoli | and so on. | 08:20 |
| kimmoli | B and D always closed, just move their control to A and C correspondingly | 08:20 |
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| xkr47 | well, the state needs to be tracked somewhere, so I used hardware switches for that.. I thought it was less probable that the state of those two sysfs settings would be combined in kernel code | 08:23 |
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| xkr47 | http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/tmp/jolla-usb-power-theory3.png | 08:23 |
| xkr47 | now it's documented in a more engineering-friendly way :D | 08:24 |
| kimmoli | urf, pseudo-code in schematics | 08:24 |
| xkr47 | eagle nicely put an overline on those newValue assignments when I used ! in front :) | 08:24 |
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| xkr47 | sorry.. :) | 08:25 |
| kimmoli | so, if just toggling pm value, it controls charging, usb-power at the same time. | 08:26 |
| xkr47 | and also if just toggling power_supply value, same effect | 08:26 |
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| kimmoli | but if i write power_supply = 1, the pm has no effect ? | 08:27 |
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| xkr47 | true | 08:28 |
| kimmoli | but if pm=1, and i write power_supply=0 it will take usb-power but does not charge | 08:28 |
| xkr47 | yes | 08:28 |
| xkr47 | the reason why I experimented around with this because this is exactly what I wanted | 08:29 |
| xkr47 | why consume the battery age when power is connected | 08:29 |
| xkr47 | (if not for charging the battery) | 08:29 |
| xkr47 | now I only hope that my setup is safe for the phone, environment and the universe as a whole | 08:30 |
| kimmoli | "galaksit räjähtää" | 08:32 |
| xkr47 | :) | 08:32 |
| xkr47 | in this usb-power-no-charge mode for the last 30 minutes, it seems the battery charge has droped 823µAh i.e. 0.04% of battery capacity | 08:32 |
| kimmoli | sounds reasonable | 08:33 |
| kimmoli | i did make some OFF-state measurements ages ago | 08:33 |
| xkr47 | that means ~50 days until empty | 08:33 |
| kimmoli | self-discharge rate is little slower though, but there is some leaky stuff connected | 08:35 |
| xkr47 | yes | 08:35 |
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| xkr47 | will try a bit of power cycling testing now | 08:38 |
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| xkr47 | set both settings to 1 (disable charging), disconnect usb, power off, start up, connect usb -> charging again | 08:42 |
| xkr47 | it seems reading /sys/class/power_supply/usb/charger_disable always reports 0 | 08:44 |
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| xkr47 | maybe not implemented | 08:44 |
| xkr47 | set both settings to 1, disconnect usb, power off, connect usb seems to boot up the phone in charging mode. cannot confirm actual charging right now since the percentage isn't changing "very fast" and I need to have my phone on | 08:48 |
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| vakkov | guys, where can i get qt5-qtquick1 for the old qdeclarative | 09:17 |
| vakkov | i have that package (qt5-qtquick1) installed on my platform sdk target and things run wonderfully but then again i cant find it in the app sdk vm | 09:18 |
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| xkr47 | sounds like this feature https://together.jolla.com/question/37616/keep-display-on-while-charging/ won't work together with my usb-powered-no-charging mode :P | 09:21 |
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| kimmoli | as expexted , it is not charging | 09:35 |
| kimmoli | use mcetool to force display on? | 09:35 |
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| spiiroin | xkr47: just use "mcetool --set-inhibit-mode=stay-on" instead of "...=stay-on-with-charger" | 09:39 |
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| xkr47 | spiiroin, is it always-on regardless of whether usb cable is connected? | 09:49 |
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| spiiroin | xkr47: it disables timer based blanking, so display stays on unless you turn it off using power key / top swipe etc | 10:29 |
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| nib | anyone here aware of this issue: touches not accepted in any app, except lipstick | 10:40 |
| nib | it happend yestarday - but is gone after reboot:) | 10:41 |
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| nib | seems that keyboard works too:) | 10:56 |
| TemeV | nib: sounds familiar, happened to me a couple of times | 10:58 |
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| nib | TemeV: are there something, to fix it? | 11:00 |
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| TemeV | I don't know | 11:00 |
| TemeV | I just rebooted, bacause I didn't have time to do the reasearch | 11:01 |
| nib | TemeV: ok, thank you anyway:) | 11:04 |
| TemeV | np | 11:04 |
| xkr47 | spiiroin, ok thansk | 11:10 |
| xkr47 | nib, same has occured for me a lot of times, at least with the previous release | 11:11 |
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| nib | xkr47: ok, thank you too:) | 11:13 |
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| xkr47 | if anyone locates a TJC question for this issue, let me know | 11:17 |
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| xkr47 | nib, could it be this? https://together.jolla.com/question/76536/bug-no-app-touch-input-focus-but-in-lock-home-launcher/ | 11:23 |
| nib | xkr47: exactly my issue:) | 11:25 |
| nib | xkr47: except there was no crashes noticed by me | 11:26 |
| xkr47 | yeah and the fourth comment (by axaq jan 14) further convinces me it's the same issue I see too | 11:26 |
| xkr47 | so upvote! :) | 11:27 |
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| nib | xkr47: hm.. sounds similar, probably I even know how to reproduce it:) All times my phone was in pocket and active was app with textfield full of ducktyped text | 11:31 |
| nib | but strange, that I can invoke keyboard via contacts -> search icon..:/ | 11:32 |
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| xkr47 | did you check this one also? https://together.jolla.com/question/75475/bug-stuck-with-invisible-keyboard-11127-vaarainjarvi/ | 11:35 |
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| xkr47 | can't say if that applies for me | 11:39 |
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| xkr47 | where's the jolla kernel sources? | 14:00 |
| tbr | I used to host things until they managed to put things in place | 14:01 |
| tbr | hmmmm http://releases.sailfishos.org/sources/ | 14:02 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: should I start sending SASE envelopes again? ;-) | 14:03 |
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| xkr47 | https://github.com/KonstaT/sailfishos_kernel_jolla_msm8930 ? | 14:05 |
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| tbr | xkr47: that's a private person's upload | 14:09 |
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| tbr | xkr47: if your real question is "Is there a public git tree for the SbJ sources as used in releases" then the answer is 'no'. | 14:09 |
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| taaeem | When i want to make a project open source but in the code there are my apikeys and so on should I just set some stuff like "Your ApiKey" as Placeholder? | 14:34 |
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| tbr | taaeem: I'd probably move those to one file, exclude that from checking in, but provide an foo.example file that shows how it should be set up | 14:43 |
| taaeem | tbr: good idea | 14:44 |
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| taaeem | how can i get the location of my icon? I want to use it in my Cover or do I have to use qrc ? | 15:20 |
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| kimmoli | taaeem: look silica ref for standard paths | 16:44 |
| kimmoli | or just hardcode /usr/share/applications/you.png | 16:44 |
| kimmoli | or what was it | 16:44 |
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| taaeem | kimmoli: I just used it in a images folder and from there i can just reference it | 17:06 |
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| coderus | taaeem: "../images/file.png" ? | 17:29 |
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| taaeem | coderus: jep like you did in mitak... looked at your source | 17:31 |
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| kimmoli | that needs a second copy of icon | 17:32 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: what? why? | 17:35 |
| coderus | i don't think he need to display application launcher icon | 17:35 |
| kimmoli | depends what was referred with "my icon" .. | 17:37 |
| kimmoli | i show app launcher icon on cover , in dummy covers | 17:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | i find it really helps to identify which cover is which | 17:41 |
| r0kk3rz | rather than multiple transparent covers with some kind of text | 17:42 |
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| taaeem | Why is the run option greyed out when i select deploy by building an RPM package for arm? | 17:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | because it doesnt have a target to run on | 17:56 |
| taaeem | but how to make an RPM than? | 17:56 |
| r0kk3rz | needs to be set to deploy as rpm | 17:56 |
| r0kk3rz | the button just above the run button | 17:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | that will build rpm -> deploy to target -> run in debug window in 1 click | 17:58 |
| taaeem | Yeah I don't have a device to run on but I want to build an RPM for sharing | 17:58 |
| r0kk3rz | ok then, under build menu at the top, click deploy | 17:58 |
| TemeV | taaeem: build->deploy to create the .rpm | 17:58 |
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| taaeem | ahh thanks now its working | 18:00 |
| haasn | Breaking news: Locking your CPU clock at 384 MHz is not fun | 18:08 |
| haasn | Programs take like 5-10 seconds to start up :p | 18:08 |
| haasn | I wonder what would actually be better for battery lifetime though: Having it clocked at 1 GHz and a program using 20% of the CPU, or having it clock at 500 MHz and that same program using 40% of the CPU | 18:11 |
| haasn | (If that comparison even makes sense. I would care in particular about music playback, where the overall amount of work that needs to be done per second stays relatively constant) | 18:11 |
| r0kk3rz | its generally considered that burst mode is better | 18:11 |
| r0kk3rz | full clock rate to get the job done and spend more time in deep sleep | 18:11 |
| haasn | Though for music playback in particular I would think it would spend more time bursting between decoding and playing, if I set the cache settings high enough | 18:12 |
| haasn | I could play around with that, if you think it would be better | 18:12 |
| haasn | ie. have it decode the entire file and store the decoded audio in memory | 18:12 |
| r0kk3rz | not the entire file, but a buffer | 18:12 |
| haasn | I think pulseaudio can use high-latency buffering to avoid having to wake the program up at all | 18:13 |
| haasn | (Except in like 2000ms intervals) | 18:13 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah thats what qtmultimedia is set to do | 18:13 |
| haasn | But when I tried playing something back on the phone, pulseaudio was displaying a latency of like only 50ms | 18:13 |
| r0kk3rz | where as qsoundeffect is low latency higher cpu usage for stuff that has to happen instantly | 18:14 |
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| haasn | Hmm. During playback my sink latency is always being reported as 96 ms though | 18:31 |
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| haasn | Heh, killing aliendalvik makes memory usage drop from like 557M to 328M | 19:08 |
| haasn | How does Java manage to be so tremendously bloated | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | welll. | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:11 |
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| Yaniel | lots of practice | 19:12 |
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| locusf | it doesn't have to even try | 19:24 |
| chem|st | haasn: any mode locking the cpu rate will use more power than any sane 'flexible' solution - compare: you have your display on and your system active while on a low rate, or, you are quick and fast back to deep sleep... proper schedulers and cpu governors that do not lock a rate are usually more powereffecient | 19:27 |
| chem|st | locusf: it does not even try not to be... | 19:28 |
| haasn | chem|st: That makes sense. I'm thinking in particular about the use case of having mpd (+pulseaudio) constantly running in the background while the screen is turned off (playing music) | 19:28 |
| haasn | Though I'm not sure what the power usage contribution of the programs themselves are | 19:28 |
| haasn | (As compared to the DAC/amplifier itself) | 19:29 |
| chem|st | haasn: software not designed to run on a "always on the edge to sleep" devices will cost! | 19:29 |
| haasn | I have no idea if mpd or even pulseaudio are designed with mobile devices in mind :p | 19:30 |
| chem|st | mpd is coming from people with laptops having the need for a remote to their server running music services, pulseaudio is the same people but having the need for flexible on demand audio routing... | 19:32 |
| chem|st | *speaking in general | 19:33 |
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| chem|st | I have actually no idea what "music daemon" is not powerhungry - all daemons I know are more or less "live" but I prefer mocp over mpd any time | 19:35 |
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| haasn | I can't even find mocp in my repository | 19:36 |
| chem|st | no idea if you can get mpd to behave in any way like mplayer, where you can precache 10min of sd-movies into RAM witout much use of disk or cpu to playback... | 19:36 |
| haasn | chem|st: You can configure the mpd cache size | 19:36 |
| chem|st | haasn: where are you coming from? | 19:37 |
| haasn | I just searched for “mocp” in Gentoo's repository | 19:37 |
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| chem|st | mpd cache size is read ahead iirc not read ahead & decompress to raw | 19:37 |
| haasn | That's wrong | 19:37 |
| haasn | It will buffer the decoded raw audio | 19:38 |
| haasn | And you can configure both how large it is and how much it should fill before starting playback | 19:38 |
| chem|st | haasn: ok.. well on a laptop I would not care that much... I have mine up to 5h SD playback and 30min battery left after that | 19:38 |
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| haasn | It's my phone I'm worrying about :) | 19:39 |
| chem|st | ? | 19:39 |
| chem|st | you want to use remote mpd but have the playback on your phone? | 19:40 |
| haasn | I'm just trying to see how many minutes of playback I could get on a full charge in theory | 19:40 |
| haasn | No | 19:40 |
| haasn | mpd is running locally on my phone | 19:41 |
| chem|st | what was the gentoo stuff then about? | 19:41 |
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| haasn | That was me trying to figure out what “mocp” is, since I've never heard of it | 19:41 |
| chem|st | how about you set the buffers to 50MB and see what happens to your battery?! | 19:42 |
| haasn | “zypper search mocp” on my phone also finds nothing. Same for https://openrepos.net/search/node/mocp | 19:42 |
| haasn | chem|st: I've set it to 32 MiB for now | 19:42 |
| chem|st | MusicOnConsolePlayer moc or mocp | 19:43 |
| chem|st | is what I use at home as mpd is just crazy shit annoyning every time I try getting used to it... | 19:43 |
| chem|st | so mpd on your phone... do you *need* a music daemon or is it just that you *want* to have it that way? | 19:44 |
| haasn | chem|st: I want something that provides me with at least the same set of features that I use on mpd | 19:45 |
| haasn | And preferably something that has a nice GUI front-end (that doesn't always need to be open), a set of CLI tools, the ability to script it, something equivalent to autoplay.py's radio mode, MPRIS2 compatibility, etc. | 19:45 |
| haasn | mpd is just the only player that has this level of versatility, because there are so many different clients available | 19:46 |
| chem|st | the frontend can be open or not for all I care, why should I care about it being open (running) on my home-screen and give my cover-actions... | 19:46 |
| haasn | (It also needs to be able to handle a large music library, but I guess that should be a given) | 19:46 |
| chem|st | how many clients are available for SFOS? | 19:47 |
| haasn | SFOS? | 19:47 |
| chem|st | #sailfishos | 19:47 |
| Yaniel | sailfish os | 19:47 |
| Yaniel | what is "large" here? | 19:47 |
| haasn | Yaniel: Anywhere from 10k to 50k I would consider “large” | 19:48 |
| chem|st | haasn: you havent seen *large* yet | 19:48 |
| Yaniel | as in songs? | 19:48 |
| haasn | Right | 19:48 |
| haasn | (That's probably about the upper limit of how much you can even fit on a jolla, given a 128 GB microSDXC card and Opus 64 kbps or something) | 19:48 |
| * Yaniel is around 850 and quasarmx is getting difficulties with it | 19:49 | |
| haasn | chem|st: for MPD there is SMPC which works for me, haven't looked into any others as that seemed to be the most popular | 19:49 |
| haasn | But you can also use any MPRIS2-compatible frontend, eg. there's a patch that provides controls for the music player on your lockscreen | 19:50 |
| chem|st | haasn: have you had any battery issues yet? | 19:50 |
| Yaniel | does the mpd daemon listen for mpris events directly? | 19:50 |
| haasn | So you don't have to constantly enter the pin just to change a song or something. Oh, that reminds me - I would like to script something like “volume control gestures”, eg. if I press volume up followed by volume down in quick succession, it should run a command of my choosing (in this case eg. ‘mpc next’) | 19:50 |
| haasn | Has anybody attempted something like this? | 19:50 |
| haasn | Yaniel: no, but there's a python script that you can use which provides an MPRIS2 <-> mpd script | 19:51 |
| haasn | bridge* | 19:51 |
| haasn | chem|st: No | 19:51 |
| chem|st | haasn: whay are you makeing such a fuzz about it then? | 19:51 |
| Yaniel | how is opus btw? | 19:52 |
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| haasn | Yaniel: In terms of what? | 19:52 |
| Yaniel | quality | 19:52 |
| Yaniel | and quality vs bitrate | 19:53 |
| haasn | In terms of sound quality / filesize, it's the best audio codec currently available (free or otherwise); in terms of decoding speed, I don't know; in terms of encoding speed, I don't know | 19:53 |
| haasn | In terms of latency, it's flexible (usable in both very low latency and high latency applications just as well) | 19:53 |
| Yaniel | isn't it sort of a combination of different codecs | 19:54 |
| haasn | (One of Opus' main goals was to provide a codec that is just as good for low-latency voice as it is for high-latency music, so that every application can use it) | 19:54 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 19:54 |
| haasn | Yaniel: It's basically a combination of two different concepts, SILK and CELT | 19:55 |
| haasn | Yaniel: one of the peculiar things about it though is that it only supports one sampling rate - 48 kHz. This is one of the reasons I chose it for the jolla phone, I don't want to do any realtime resampling on the phone | 19:56 |
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| haasn | Fortunately, the audio chip just so happens to run at 48 kHz natively | 19:56 |
| haasn | (This means that by limiting myself to Opus I can automatically ensure that I can never accidentally forget to resample a file when transcoding it, for example) | 19:56 |
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| Yaniel | that seems like a rather arbitrary limitation | 19:57 |
| Yaniel | not a severe one though | 19:58 |
| Yaniel | hm, I could give it a try at some point I suppose | 19:59 |
| Yaniel | ...when I have fixed the mess I made of my library during the weekend | 19:59 |
| haasn | Yaniel: http://listening-test.coresv.net/results.htm | 19:59 |
| haasn | Also it's amazing how some results are like this http://listening-test.coresv.net/res_anonymous2.png and some are like this http://listening-test.coresv.net/res_win32vb.png | 20:01 |
| haasn | (Keep in mind these are all produced via double blind testing) | 20:01 |
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| haasn | Yaniel: I looked it up, apparently Opus switches sampling rates on a packet-by-packet basis, and supports 6, 8, 12, 16, 24 and 48 kHz - their packet switching only makes sense if all the involves rates are divisors of the base frequency (48) | 20:04 |
| haasn | The cost of its high compression ratios, I guess. Well, I say “cost” but as you mentioned, it's not a severe restriction | 20:04 |
| Yaniel | ah | 20:05 |
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| Yaniel | soo... tldr, as far as lossy codecs go it is the best around currently? | 20:05 |
| haasn | Yaniel: pretty much | 20:06 |
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| haasn | 128 kbps for placebo, 96 kbps for virtually guaranteed to be transparent, 64 kbps if you're streaming and 96 kbps is too much | 20:07 |
| haasn | (or if you're very tight on space and don't mind a subtle loss) | 20:07 |
| Yaniel | I assume it uses vorbis tags? | 20:07 |
| Yaniel | ie. supports ReplayGain the same way ogg and flac do | 20:08 |
| haasn | Yaniel: Ogg is the designated container, so presumably the same as Vorbis | 20:08 |
| haasn | And yes it supports the same RG tags | 20:08 |
| Yaniel | ah | 20:08 |
| Yaniel | right | 20:08 |
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| haasn | Although I've actually gone a step further and normalized the audio levels before encoding, so I don't have to have ReplayGain logic running on my phone | 20:08 |
| Yaniel | what do you use for transcoding? | 20:09 |
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| haasn | Yaniel: ffmpeg -i "$file" -af aresampl=resampler=soxr -ar 48k -af volume="replaygain=album" -c:a opus -b:a 128k "${file%.*}.opus" | 20:13 |
| haasn | s/aresampl/aresample/ | 20:13 |
| haasn | the soxr is just there for placebo, could probably leave it away :p | 20:13 |
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| Yaniel | pff | 20:13 |
| Yaniel | when you get placebo at such bitrates anyway... | 20:14 |
| haasn | The placebo is mostly irrelevant either way because the phone's DAC is so absurdly terrible that it destroys it either way | 20:14 |
| tortoisedoc | hmhm | 20:16 |
| tortoisedoc | where to look for settings plugins samples? | 20:16 |
| chem|st | tortoisedoc: patchmanager git? | 20:17 |
| tortoisedoc | chem|st : thanks | 20:17 |
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| chem|st | isn't sfos-utilities open too? | 20:18 |
| chem|st | pick your poison^^ | 20:18 |
| tortoisedoc | perhaps? | 20:19 |
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| chem|st | patchmanager should give you an idea though | 20:27 |
| chem|st | no idea where the docu for that is... | 20:27 |
| coderus | /usr/share/jolla-settings | 20:27 |
| coderus | better than reading some sources | 20:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmhm | 21:09 |
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