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| Yaniel | I wonder, which has a greater impact on battery life, the io required by flac or the cpu cycles required for decoding opus | 04:23 |
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| Yaniel | and how great is the difference | 04:32 |
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| Venemo | hey | 06:57 |
| Venemo | what's up with Bluetooth LE and Sailfish | 06:58 |
| Venemo | is it supported? | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's not, there's an issue with bt le scans that basically kills wifi afaik | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | i think javispedro did a number of experiemnts | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | on top of that there's the whole bluez4/bluez5 issues | 06:59 |
| Venemo | that was the answer in Q4 2013 | 07:00 |
| Venemo | I hoped there had been improvements since | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | the situation is very complex :) | 07:00 |
| Venemo | I understand that's a very delicate way of saying "nothing has happened" ;) | 07:02 |
| Venemo | is it a hw or a sw issue? | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | a bit of both | 07:03 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: on a tangent, what's the BT stack on the tablet? bluedroid? | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: bleuz | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | 4 | 07:08 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: where can I find more details? what's missing from having it working? | 07:17 |
| Dicee | is the relase date of 2.0 out allready? | 07:18 |
| Venemo | also, why use bluez 4? it's an archaic version, isn't it | 07:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: because newer bluez5 has certain expectations of kernel versions as they have a lot of stuff in kernel to support bluetooth.. | 07:20 |
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| Stskeeps | sadly the reality in mobile is such that new kernels is a rarity | 07:20 |
| Venemo | umm, I still don't understand | 07:20 |
| Venemo | why do you use an archaic kernel? | 07:21 |
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| Stskeeps | OK, so, any given device nowadays is a combination of several things | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | upstream linux kernel | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | then on top of that is the android modifications from google | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | then on top of that there's the chipset specific modifications from the chipset vendor | 07:22 |
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| Stskeeps | then on top of that there's the device specific modifications for the particular device, from the ODM | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's a total nightmare to move those to any newer kernel versions | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | we tried a similar excersise in the n900 meego project and while we had the guys who had written the modifications in the first place, it was still a massive nightmare and we practically didn't finish | 07:23 |
| tbr | IIRC mostly power management was missing, but that's a killer. who'd want a vanilla kernel phone with 1/5th the runtime | 07:24 |
| Venemo | yeah | 07:24 |
| TemeV | so basically, you are using the Kernel Google chooses? | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | TemeV: that's what the industry does | 07:25 |
| tbr | TemeV: the kernel the SoC vendor hands to the ODM | 07:25 |
| TemeV | ok | 07:25 |
| tbr | soc vendors will move on to a newer kernel for new socs _if_ google requires it | 07:25 |
| TemeV | what are the Android modifications? | 07:26 |
| tbr | a few things went upstream, but still some remain out of vanilla. | 07:26 |
| tbr | IIRC 'binder' went upstream at least in part | 07:27 |
| tbr | for sure remaining should be the ANDROID_PARANOID_NETWORKING patch | 07:27 |
| tbr | a lot has been written on that, so the search engine of your least distrust should be able to find resources for you | 07:29 |
| TemeV | I mean, are the Android mods actually recuired in non-android device? Except the fact that other mods are written on top of them? | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | TemeV: pretty much, for the gpu drivers which we reuse | 07:31 |
| tbr | I suspect keep in mind there is some android userspace left, evenmore if you count an app runtime | 07:32 |
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| Venemo | yeah, well, that's a sad story | 07:35 |
| Venemo | but then, the android bluetooth stack should support BLE, so why not use that then? | 07:36 |
| TemeV | ok, I guess I'll just keep dreaming about device without the Android carbage :) | 07:38 |
| TemeV | *mobile device | 07:38 |
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| Venemo | btw, what's the situation with the jolla tablet? I imagine Intel should be a lot more cooperative in this regard | 07:40 |
| tbr | intel is not the ODM though | 07:42 |
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| tbr | IIRC it was a 3.10 or such | 07:42 |
| Venemo | wut? | 07:42 |
| Venemo | srsly? :( | 07:42 |
| tbr | given that full baytrail support was only achieved in 3.18 or 3.19, this thing must look 'interesting' | 07:43 |
| Venemo | well... | 07:43 |
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| Venemo | looks like someone over there enjoys playing with archaic pieces of software | 07:44 |
| fferner | Wi5TN,si6b? | 07:45 |
| fferner | ah... | 07:45 |
| * tbr thinks fferner should set a new password :) | 07:45 | |
| fferner | :-( | 07:45 |
| tortoisedoc | so google changes come before SoC vendors? | 07:45 |
| tortoisedoc | (google android changes to kernel) | 07:46 |
| Venemo | of course | 07:46 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: the resulting device frankenkernel is a layer cake, yes. vanilla + android + soc vendor + odm + vendor | 07:46 |
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| * tbr can highly recommend Tim Bird's presentation from last ELCE on that topic | 07:47 | |
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| tbr | dunno if the slides made it online | 07:47 |
| tortoisedoc | so jolla tablet has baytrail hw | 07:47 |
| tortoisedoc | but no sw support for it? | 07:48 |
| tortoisedoc | (in kernel)? | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | you never use a pure upstream kernel. | 07:48 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: lots of backports / parallel nih development | 07:48 |
| tortoisedoc | I can see how it comes this tablet is taking a while now :) | 07:49 |
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| tortoisedoc | if backports are the main rule, honor to thee | 07:49 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : http://elinux.org/User:Tim_Bird this guy? | 07:50 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: kernel bringup was probably >> 6 months ago. After that you have a very slow churn rate in modifications unless someone runs into some nasty bug. | 07:50 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: yes | 07:50 |
| tortoisedoc | hmhm desktop can run vanilla kerlen | 07:50 |
| tortoisedoc | *kernel | 07:50 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: can, but look at linux distros, most carry significant patches against vanilla | 07:51 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : true | 07:52 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : seems slides are not there yet :/ | 07:54 |
| tbr | sadly the recordings for that conference were lost | 07:55 |
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| tortoisedoc | tbr : y00r recordings? :P | 07:55 |
| tbr | IIRC sony had devices with 2 *Million* commits on top of the original mainline | 07:55 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: no, Linux foundation hired a company that recorded everything and then lost the harddrives | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: wasn't it the same that we have david/ofono guys on? | 07:56 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: no | 07:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | tbr : holy crap :D | 07:56 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: that was ELC in US | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 07:56 |
| tortoisedoc | so much for kernel being flexible eh | 07:56 |
| tbr | he has done the presentation a few times, and updated it, so older versions might have slides or recordings | 07:57 |
| * tortoisedoc ducks hoping linus does not read this | 07:57 | |
| tbr | also check the most recent ELC | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: reminds me of the maemo summit amsterdam one.. they had really expensive mixer setup, top notch video cameras, head microphones and they had forgot to wire the audio from microphone to video recording.. | 07:58 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 07:58 |
| tbr | duuuh | 07:58 |
| tortoisedoc | fail | 07:58 |
| tortoisedoc | forgot to press the "Rec" button xD | 07:58 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : which year was the presentation made in | 07:59 |
| tbr | the one I sat in was ELCE 2014 | 07:59 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: AV guys are a really special breed | 08:00 |
| tortoisedoc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SxZ3KlwY74 | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | at the jolla launch, they were showing our demo videos on stage before people were in the room | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | before/while people were coming in | 08:01 |
| tbr | heh | 08:01 |
| Venemo | that's a new level of nobody cares | 08:02 |
| Venemo | I mean, how could someone just forget to wire something | 08:02 |
| Venemo | how could they not test the damn setup? | 08:02 |
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| tortoisedoc | Venemo : I think that's sloppyness rather than not caring | 08:14 |
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| Venemo | tortoisedoc: sloppyness is just one way of not caring | 08:18 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | hello, my sister is trying to install google play but she found a dead link at some point in here https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/ | 08:48 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | is there a more recent tutorial, possibly not too technical for her? | 08:48 |
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| Acce | where can I report bugs for qt5-plugin-geoservices-osm? is it in mer? | 08:50 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Acce: maybe to upstream Qt ? | 08:52 |
| coderus | Acce: and you sure its not fixed in qt5.5? | 08:53 |
| Armadillo | Vae_DuckZ: if you mean goo.im with the dead link, there already is an alternative right behind the dead link | 08:54 |
| Armadillo | Vae_DuckZ: I think in openrepos there was something like a playstore installer, but I don't know if it still works | 08:55 |
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| Acce | SfietKonstantinW, coderus: ok, I'm not sure if it's fixed, have to search more. | 09:00 |
| Acce | The problem is just that routing with OSM plugin returns coordinates with decimal point displaced by one digit, very annoying although workaroundable | 09:00 |
| Acce | well there it is, already reported | 09:01 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | Armadillo: ok thanks | 09:04 |
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| Venemo | Vae_DuckZ: be very careful with that... I bricked my jolla once | 09:29 |
| Venemo | Vae_DuckZ: at least make a backup of all your precious data from the device | 09:30 |
| Vae_DuckZ | Venemo: it's not me who's doing that, I'll pass what you said on to her btw | 09:30 |
| Venemo | Vae_DuckZ: I know, it's your sister | 09:31 |
| Venemo | Vae_DuckZ: still, she should do a backup before attempting it | 09:31 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmh | 11:12 |
| tortoisedoc | is there anyone else next to thp in jolla who could/would be available to help with some alien dalvik debugging (intents) | 11:13 |
| tortoisedoc | seems thp is afk :( | 11:13 |
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| tortoisedoc | noone -_- | 12:26 |
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| tortoisedoc | ;_; | 12:26 |
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| mgrover | hello, my application seems to crash when launching from icon but not terminal, seems like an issue with the booster since it crashes with signal 11 | 12:27 |
| mgrover | i am using a nexus 5, thats using a devel repo for its ha | 12:29 |
| mgrover | but it was working fine beforehand | 12:30 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | SfietKonstantinW, tbr https://github.com/subgraph/oz | 12:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is a bit rough approach ? | 12:47 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | dr_gogeta86: interesting | 13:08 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is more interesting create a viable model for our case | 13:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Rule of thumb ... too many "permission" are a fail | 13:12 |
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