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tortoisedoc | j000 | 05:27 |
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tortoisedoc | do we have an update this week? :) | 05:27 |
tortoisedoc | or do we ff to sfos 2.0 ? :) | 05:27 |
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coderus | tortoisedoc: august upgrade should be 1.1.7.x for everyone and sfos 2.0 at the eng of august, i guess. | 05:31 |
tortoisedoc | i'd wonder | 05:32 |
tortoisedoc | given the sdk is released in the following update | 05:32 |
tortoisedoc | how do developers adapt their apps on sf 2.0 new features / changes /.. | 05:33 |
tortoisedoc | given sf2.0 comes out before the sdk | 05:33 |
tortoisedoc | note its native apps we are talking about | 05:36 |
tortoisedoc | android apps do not have these issues | 05:36 |
tortoisedoc | (most likely, at least) | 05:36 |
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m4g0g | aivot-on: | 05:58 |
m4g0g | sorry | 05:58 |
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m4g0g | so, as I understand, we will not to have native facebook app?! | 07:08 |
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lainwir3d | hi everyone | 07:52 |
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coderus | tortoisedoc: developer program? read jolla blog | 08:46 |
coderus | sdk will be available before | 08:46 |
tortoisedoc | coderus : developer program for the beta developers, yes, but the rest? | 08:47 |
tortoisedoc | no sdk with simulator? | 08:48 |
tortoisedoc | in theory simulator released with updated sfos 2.0 should be enough as a start, but not even that seems to be coming | 08:49 |
tortoisedoc | just seems a bit odd, that's all | 08:51 |
TemeV | 08:51 | |
coderus | tortoisedoc: i think first for beta developers, then for everybody with opt-in upgrade, and then for everybody everybody | 08:51 |
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tortoisedoc | coderus : thats ok, but then again, the point is to get developers ready on board to have (native) apps support ready from the start | 08:52 |
coderus | but you can ask jpakkane for example :) | 08:52 |
coderus | are they planning to release 2.0 sdk before public 2.0 release or not | 08:52 |
tortoisedoc | im sure you can agree this is clearly not the case with limited access to new versions of sdk | 08:52 |
tortoisedoc | jpakkane? | 08:53 |
coderus | sdk hero | 08:53 |
tortoisedoc | its not about the date | 08:53 |
tortoisedoc | its about the whole process | 08:53 |
tortoisedoc | its weird from a developer's perspective | 08:53 |
coderus | well, i'm manually upgrading my sdk when opt-in release is available, and i'm able to compie app (if necessary) with upgraded tools | 08:54 |
tortoisedoc | and im only limiting myself to native apps, the whole discussion could be extended - i.e., why is a (crowdfunded) tablet being released in limited ammounts first | 08:54 |
coderus | it's not officially supported way, but it works | 08:54 |
tortoisedoc | scrap that | 08:54 |
tortoisedoc | a crowdfunded tablet sdk that is :P | 08:54 |
coderus | well, try to get info here or tjc and let us knnow about answer :) | 08:55 |
tortoisedoc | one reason I can see is the fact that sfos 2.0 is bundled with it; | 08:55 |
tortoisedoc | :D | 08:55 |
tortoisedoc | im just trying to start the fire, not putting it of ;D | 08:55 |
tortoisedoc | I do not want to judge nor am I trying to | 08:56 |
tortoisedoc | jolla as a company has the right to do whatever it pleases | 08:56 |
tortoisedoc | the reason I am thinking about this is the efficiency of this whole approach | 08:57 |
tortoisedoc | im starting to doubt that | 08:57 |
tortoisedoc | and thats not good :/ | 08:57 |
tortoisedoc | (at least imo) | 08:57 |
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lainwir3d | true | 09:02 |
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lainwir3d | if someone has several apps, you cannot hope to port them in one week depending on the changes involved | 09:03 |
lainwir3d | or adapt the UI | 09:03 |
tortoisedoc | exactly | 09:03 |
tortoisedoc | and in any "sane" sw development environment, you want ot have maximum impact on incoming | 09:04 |
tortoisedoc | right? | 09:04 |
lainwir3d | Globally, I have two apps that I need to adapt the UI, and depending on the release date of the sdk they might not be ready | 09:04 |
lainwir3d | right. | 09:04 |
tortoisedoc | so you want to maximize the number of apps, especially of NATIVE apps | 09:04 |
tortoisedoc | available at the moment of launch | 09:04 |
lainwir3d | I don't need a device, a sdk is enough | 09:04 |
tortoisedoc | exactly | 09:04 |
lainwir3d | honestly, even a emulator with wide screen might be enough to start | 09:05 |
lainwir3d | without SFOS 2.0 | 09:05 |
tortoisedoc | yes | 09:05 |
tortoisedoc | assuming most of the api's do not change, yes | 09:05 |
lainwir3d | yeah | 09:05 |
lainwir3d | glad we agree | 09:06 |
tortoisedoc | :D | 09:06 |
lainwir3d | come on and let's drink whisky | 09:06 |
lainwir3d | :P | 09:06 |
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tortoisedoc | we need the dead's man chest first :P | 09:09 |
tortoisedoc | and rum ,not whisky | 09:09 |
lainwir3d | well I would be happy with both honestly | 09:11 |
lainwir3d | ^^ | 09:11 |
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tortoisedoc | wouldnt mind some whisky, but its 12 am here a bit early :P | 09:12 |
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lainwir3d | 11am here :P | 09:13 |
tortoisedoc | heh | 09:13 |
lainwir3d | but well, i've done worse | 09:13 |
lainwir3d | onn occasion | 09:13 |
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tortoisedoc | yeah me too ; but it was back in the days | 09:14 |
lainwir3d | hehe | 09:14 |
tortoisedoc | when reputation was not an asset yet :D | 09:14 |
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TemeV | tortoisedoc: midnight is too erly for whisky? | 09:17 |
tortoisedoc | 12 am TemeV. not pm :p | 09:17 |
tortoisedoc | 00 am is midnight ;) | 09:17 |
TemeV | there is no 00 am | 09:17 |
TemeV | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock | 09:18 |
tortoisedoc | there is; 00:01 sec | 09:18 |
tortoisedoc | :P | 09:18 |
TemeV | nope, not in 12h system | 09:18 |
tortoisedoc | that's a crappy system :P | 09:18 |
TemeV | yes, it is totally broken | 09:18 |
TemeV | at least if wikipedia has it right | 09:18 |
chem|st | TemeV: now that system feels even more stupid than before | 09:19 |
tortoisedoc | people should abandon it and days should be 48 hours anywyas | 09:19 |
tortoisedoc | :D | 09:19 |
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chem|st | but well it is all about n00n so it is fine I guess, it is just stupid to count up to 12 then | 09:21 |
TemeV | 12 acts as zero | 09:22 |
TemeV | as it says in wikipedia | 09:22 |
TemeV | tortoisedoc: well, earth is slowing down, you should sleep for few billion years and it might be 48hours :) | 09:22 |
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tortoisedoc | Cant sleep, would miss jolla tablet #release | 09:23 |
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xkr47 | lol "Security code cannot be longer than 42 digits" when I took the phone out of the pocket :) | 10:28 |
leszek | xD | 10:28 |
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SpeedEvil | I have actually managed on my nexus 7 to slide-unlock the device, navigate from the homescreen to the appstore and buy an app. | 10:34 |
SpeedEvil | totally without touching the screen with my hands, still in my pocket | 10:35 |
SpeedEvil | Fortunately I found it before the 15 minute grace period expired | 10:35 |
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CissWit | unbelievable ! the nexus 7 fits your pocket ? | 10:53 |
SpeedEvil | yes. | 10:56 |
w00t | you must have pockets the size of a small country | 10:58 |
Tegu | do you listen to hip hop? :P | 10:59 |
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Tegu | well okay, I guess some rappers use quite tight clothes nowadays. not very saggy ones that used to be popular | 11:01 |
Tegu | anyhow, closer to the topic: trying out mitmproxy for inspecting the jolla store traffic. just for fun | 11:02 |
Yaniel | care to do a writeup of the process later? | 11:03 |
Tegu | uhh, nothing spectacular, I guess? just follow the mitmproxy instructions, mostly | 11:03 |
Yaniel | hm okay | 11:03 |
Tegu | and installing a mitmproxy root certificate to the device (with the help of tjc) | 11:04 |
Tegu | and then setting up a transparent proxy to another machine and setting it as the gateway on the phone | 11:04 |
Tegu | mitmproxy being the transparent proxy here | 11:05 |
Yaniel | well that is a couple of steps already | 11:05 |
Tegu | because it seemed that jolla store ignored the http proxy setting (or I just failed something) | 11:05 |
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Tegu | and now I can just curl stuff directly from the store api | 11:06 |
Tegu | because I haven't found any listing of the jolla store apps online despite some googling. if anyone knows one, please tell. | 11:07 |
tortoisedoc | huh | 11:11 |
Tegu | also trying to find the jolla store terms of service. | 11:11 |
tortoisedoc | Tegu : tcpdump & co not good enough?' | 11:11 |
Yaniel | tortoisedoc: https | 11:11 |
Tegu | tortoisedoc: maybe it would be :D | 11:11 |
tortoisedoc | eheh right that's what the root cert is for :P | 11:11 |
Tegu | ah yea | 11:11 |
Tegu | lol | 11:11 |
Tegu | duhhh | 11:12 |
Tegu | probably would be simpler and wouldn't need another machine | 11:14 |
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Tegu | tortoisedoc: so hm, any links on how to do it with tcpdump? | 11:20 |
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tortoisedoc | Tegu : google is your friend; I do not know, however, if tcpdump can just decode https traffic out of a root cert or if you need a higher level entity for that (proxy?) | 11:38 |
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Tegu | tortoisedoc: yea, I googled a bit and apparently it still needs a proxy. though, I guess it's possible to run one on the device as well | 11:39 |
Tegu | I just thought that you knew how to use tcpdump only | 11:40 |
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Armadillo | anyone knows the current status of the QA as it seems the number fo new apps is back on a normal level since a week? | 11:43 |
tortoisedoc | tcpdump is pretty straightforward to use | 11:45 |
tortoisedoc | i think a simple tcpdump --help might get you started already :) | 11:45 |
Tegu | tortoisedoc: yea but for https | 11:45 |
coderus | instal mitmproxy from pip | 11:51 |
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tortoisedoc | Tegu : See here https://mitmproxy.org/doc/mitmdump.html | 12:26 |
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tortoisedoc | hmhm oneplus one invites yadda yadda | 13:41 |
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SfietKonstantinW | tortoisedoc: one plus two | 13:48 |
SfietKonstantinW | ? | 13:48 |
SfietKonstantinW | or one ? | 13:48 |
m4g0g | SfietKonstantinW hi. Do you have plans about Friends reborn | 13:52 |
m4g0g | ? | 13:52 |
SfietKonstantinW | yes I do have | 13:54 |
m4g0g | good news. Thx | 13:54 |
SfietKonstantinW | I'm progressing slowly though | 13:54 |
SfietKonstantinW | I have already a quite good news feed view | 13:55 |
SfietKonstantinW | I'm going to focus on profile and photos soon | 13:55 |
SfietKonstantinW | and after that, posting liking commenting and all these fun stuff | 13:55 |
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m4g0g | you are the best ;-) | 13:58 |
SfietKonstantinW | well, I'm a bit busy these days :( | 13:58 |
SfietKonstantinW | and I really want too have a POC of Harmony before the tablet release | 13:59 |
SfietKonstantinW | and I'm far from it | 13:59 |
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Thaodan | coderus: do you got any succes with the accounts ui code for skypeweb? | 17:23 |
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coderus | Thaodan: yes can login and send messages with mc-tool but cant with ui | 18:13 |
coderus | it not saving account because teest auth failed | 18:13 |
coderus | it trying to auth on creation, and success is generating by login | 18:13 |
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Thaodan | coderus: but why it fails? | 20:29 |
Thaodan | does jolla ui uses gnutls too? | 20:30 |
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Niju | Evening all | 21:34 |
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