Monday, 2015-07-27

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tortoisedocj00005:27
tortoisedocdo we have an update this week? :)05:27
tortoisedocor do we ff to sfos 2.0 ? :)05:27
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coderustortoisedoc: august upgrade should be 1.1.7.x for everyone and sfos 2.0 at the eng of august, i guess.05:31
tortoisedoci'd wonder05:32
tortoisedocgiven the sdk is released in the following update05:32
tortoisedochow do developers adapt their apps on sf 2.0 new features / changes /..05:33
tortoisedocgiven sf2.0 comes out before the sdk05:33
tortoisedocnote its native apps we are talking about05:36
tortoisedocandroid apps do not have these issues05:36
tortoisedoc(most likely, at least)05:36
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m4g0gaivot-on:05:58
m4g0gsorry05:58
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m4g0gso, as I understand, we will not to have native facebook app?!07:08
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lainwir3dhi everyone07:52
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coderustortoisedoc: developer program? read jolla blog08:46
coderussdk will be available before08:46
tortoisedoccoderus : developer program for the beta  developers, yes, but the rest?08:47
tortoisedocno sdk with simulator?08:48
tortoisedocin theory simulator released with updated sfos 2.0 should be enough as a start, but not even that seems to be coming08:49
tortoisedocjust seems a bit odd, that's all08:51
TemeV08:51
coderustortoisedoc: i think first for beta developers, then for everybody with opt-in upgrade, and then for everybody everybody08:51
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tortoisedoccoderus : thats ok, but then again, the point is to get developers ready on board to have (native) apps support ready from the start08:52
coderusbut you can ask jpakkane for example :)08:52
coderusare they planning to release 2.0 sdk before public 2.0 release or not08:52
tortoisedocim sure you can agree this is clearly not the case with limited access to new versions of sdk08:52
tortoisedocjpakkane?08:53
coderussdk hero08:53
tortoisedocits not about the date08:53
tortoisedocits about the whole process08:53
tortoisedocits weird from a developer's perspective08:53
coderuswell, i'm manually upgrading my sdk when opt-in release is available, and i'm able to compie app (if necessary) with upgraded tools08:54
tortoisedocand im only limiting myself to native apps, the whole discussion could be extended - i.e., why is a (crowdfunded) tablet being released in limited ammounts first08:54
coderusit's not officially supported way, but it works08:54
tortoisedocscrap that08:54
tortoisedoca crowdfunded tablet sdk that is :P08:54
coderuswell, try to get info here or tjc and let us knnow about answer :)08:55
tortoisedocone reason I can see is the fact that sfos 2.0 is bundled with it;08:55
tortoisedoc:D08:55
tortoisedocim just trying to start the fire, not putting it of ;D08:55
tortoisedocI do not want to judge nor am I trying to08:56
tortoisedocjolla as a company has the right to do whatever it pleases08:56
tortoisedocthe reason I am thinking about this is the efficiency of this whole approach08:57
tortoisedocim starting to doubt that08:57
tortoisedocand thats not good :/08:57
tortoisedoc(at least imo)08:57
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lainwir3dtrue09:02
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lainwir3dif someone has several apps, you cannot hope to port them in one week depending on the changes involved09:03
lainwir3dor adapt the UI09:03
tortoisedocexactly09:03
tortoisedocand in any "sane" sw development environment, you want ot have maximum impact on incoming09:04
tortoisedocright?09:04
lainwir3dGlobally, I have two apps that I need to adapt the UI, and depending on the release date of the sdk they might not be ready09:04
lainwir3dright.09:04
tortoisedocso you want to maximize the number of apps, especially of NATIVE apps09:04
tortoisedocavailable at the moment of launch09:04
lainwir3dI don't need a device, a sdk is enough09:04
tortoisedocexactly09:04
lainwir3dhonestly, even a emulator with wide screen might be enough to start09:05
lainwir3dwithout SFOS 2.009:05
tortoisedocyes09:05
tortoisedocassuming most of the api's do not change, yes09:05
lainwir3dyeah09:05
lainwir3dglad we agree09:06
tortoisedoc:D09:06
lainwir3dcome on and let's drink whisky09:06
lainwir3d:P09:06
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tortoisedocwe need the dead's man chest first :P09:09
tortoisedocand rum ,not whisky09:09
lainwir3dwell I would be happy with both honestly09:11
lainwir3d^^09:11
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tortoisedocwouldnt mind some whisky, but its 12 am here a bit early :P09:12
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lainwir3d11am here :P09:13
tortoisedocheh09:13
lainwir3dbut well, i've done worse09:13
lainwir3donn occasion09:13
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tortoisedocyeah me too ; but it was back in the days09:14
lainwir3dhehe09:14
tortoisedocwhen reputation was not an asset yet :D09:14
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TemeVtortoisedoc: midnight is too erly for whisky?09:17
tortoisedoc12 am TemeV. not pm :p09:17
tortoisedoc00 am is midnight ;)09:17
TemeVthere is no 00 am09:17
TemeVhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock09:18
tortoisedocthere is; 00:01 sec09:18
tortoisedoc:P09:18
TemeVnope, not in 12h system09:18
tortoisedocthat's a crappy system :P09:18
TemeVyes, it is totally broken09:18
TemeVat least if wikipedia has it right09:18
chem|stTemeV: now that system feels even more stupid than before09:19
tortoisedocpeople should abandon it and days should be 48 hours anywyas09:19
tortoisedoc:D09:19
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chem|stbut well it is all about n00n so it is fine I guess, it is just stupid to count up to 12 then09:21
TemeV12 acts as zero09:22
TemeVas it says in wikipedia09:22
TemeVtortoisedoc: well, earth is slowing down, you should sleep for few billion years and it might be 48hours :)09:22
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tortoisedocCant sleep, would miss jolla tablet #release09:23
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Stskeepz09:59
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xkr47lol "Security code cannot be longer than 42 digits" when I took the phone out of the pocket :)10:28
leszekxD10:28
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SpeedEvilI have actually managed on my nexus 7 to slide-unlock the device, navigate from the homescreen to the appstore and buy an app.10:34
SpeedEviltotally without touching the screen with my hands, still in my pocket10:35
SpeedEvilFortunately I found it before the 15 minute grace period expired10:35
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CissWitunbelievable ! the nexus 7 fits your pocket ?10:53
SpeedEvilyes.10:56
w00tyou must have pockets the size of a small country10:58
Tegudo you listen to hip hop? :P10:59
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Teguwell okay, I guess some rappers use quite tight clothes nowadays. not very saggy ones that used to be popular11:01
Teguanyhow, closer to the topic: trying out mitmproxy for inspecting the jolla store traffic. just for fun11:02
Yanielcare to do a writeup of the process later?11:03
Teguuhh, nothing spectacular, I guess? just follow the mitmproxy instructions, mostly11:03
Yanielhm okay11:03
Teguand installing a mitmproxy root certificate to the device (with the help of tjc)11:04
Teguand then setting up a transparent proxy to another machine and setting it as the gateway on the phone11:04
Tegumitmproxy being the transparent proxy here11:05
Yanielwell that is a couple of steps already11:05
Tegubecause it seemed that jolla store ignored the http proxy setting (or I just failed something)11:05
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Teguand now I can just curl stuff directly from the store api11:06
Tegubecause I haven't found any listing of the jolla store apps online despite some googling. if anyone knows one, please tell.11:07
tortoisedochuh11:11
Tegualso trying to find the jolla store terms of service.11:11
tortoisedocTegu : tcpdump & co not good enough?'11:11
Yanieltortoisedoc: https11:11
Tegutortoisedoc: maybe it would be :D11:11
tortoisedoceheh right that's what the root cert is for :P11:11
Teguah yea11:11
Tegulol11:11
Teguduhhh11:12
Teguprobably would be simpler and wouldn't need another machine11:14
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Tegutortoisedoc: so hm, any links on how to do it with tcpdump?11:20
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tortoisedocTegu : google is your friend; I do not know, however, if tcpdump can just decode https traffic out of a root cert or if you need a higher level entity for that (proxy?)11:38
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Tegutortoisedoc: yea, I googled a bit and apparently it still needs a proxy. though, I guess it's possible to run one on the device as well11:39
TeguI just thought that you knew how to use tcpdump only11:40
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Armadilloanyone knows the current status of the QA as it seems the number fo new apps is back on a normal level since a week?11:43
tortoisedoctcpdump is pretty straightforward to use11:45
tortoisedoci think a simple tcpdump --help might get you started already :)11:45
Tegutortoisedoc: yea but for https11:45
coderusinstal mitmproxy from pip11:51
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tortoisedocTegu : See here https://mitmproxy.org/doc/mitmdump.html12:26
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tortoisedochmhm oneplus one invites yadda yadda13:41
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SfietKonstantinWtortoisedoc: one plus two13:48
SfietKonstantinW?13:48
SfietKonstantinWor one ?13:48
m4g0gSfietKonstantinW hi. Do you have plans about  Friends reborn13:52
m4g0g?13:52
SfietKonstantinWyes I do have13:54
m4g0ggood news. Thx13:54
SfietKonstantinWI'm progressing slowly though13:54
SfietKonstantinWI have already a quite good news feed view13:55
SfietKonstantinWI'm going to focus on profile and photos soon13:55
SfietKonstantinWand after that, posting liking commenting and all these fun stuff13:55
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m4g0gyou are the best ;-)13:58
SfietKonstantinWwell, I'm a bit busy these days :(13:58
SfietKonstantinWand I really want too have a POC of Harmony before the tablet release13:59
SfietKonstantinWand I'm far from it13:59
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Thaodancoderus:  do you got any succes with the accounts ui code for skypeweb?17:23
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coderusThaodan: yes can login and send messages with mc-tool but cant with ui18:13
coderusit not saving account because teest auth failed18:13
coderusit trying to auth on creation, and success is generating by login18:13
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Thaodancoderus: but why it fails?20:29
Thaodandoes jolla ui uses gnutls too?20:30
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