Thursday, 2015-07-30

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King_DuckZcoderus: :/00:03
King_DuckZI can barely see that website btw, it's too heavy for my netbook00:03
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Vae_DuckZhello08:48
Vae_DuckZdidn't they announce a sf update like a couple weeks ago?08:49
daithefluVae_DuckZ: the update is available for early adopters, so they might be fixing bugs before a public release08:52
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Vae_DuckZok, so they don't have a release date for the general public yet?08:59
leszekI really would like to read something on blog.jolla.com about API changes for Silica for the upcoming Sailfish OS 2.0. I really hope major improvements arrive in terms of widgets and more components (file open/dialog, file association method or dialog, media handling (qtgstreamer seems broken for everything remote))09:01
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Vae_DuckZI'm not a sf developer, but the thing I care the most is they give app writers the possibility to embed chat protocols in the sms screen09:08
Vae_DuckZlike they already do for xmpp09:08
coderuswrite telepathy or at least libpurple plugin09:09
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leszekThe most annoying for me is that I have to reload and force close my video player app when I want to play one youtube video after another because gstreamer keeps on loading and buffering forever on the second video. And as I can see the same happens in my browser and it saddens me as I thought removing the page with the video player would destroy the gstreamer media component but it seems not so. Maybe there is a workaround to force destroy09:11
chem|stleszek: widgets? this is no android09:11
leszekit09:11
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leszekchem|st: oh common I am not talking about widgets on a desktop but widgets in a toolkit sense, like buttons, lists, sliders, dropdowns and so on09:12
chem|stleszek: ;)09:12
chem|stleszek: sry that is a trigger word ever since N77009:12
leszek:P09:13
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chem|st"I want to code a python widget!" "Please, just don't!"09:13
leszekhehe09:13
chem|stleszek: what you are describing is a bug, is it reported?09:13
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leszekchem|st: I talked about it a lot. And I think there are several threads on tj.com so I guess it is known09:14
daithefluVae_DuckZ: there's no ETA that I know about for this update, probably "when it's ready"09:18
CoolgeekI bet it will be released before 2.009:19
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TemeVVae_DuckZ: There is work in progress to implement more protocols there. There will be some available in open repos soon^tm09:20
TemeVThough, it would be nice to get them to Jolla store ofcourse09:21
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Vae_DuckZTemeV: I don't use openrepos09:26
TemeVwell, you can build them yourself also of course :) But yeah, allowing them to harbour would be nice09:38
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leszekok I think I fixed my gstreamer error by manually destroying the videooutput and setting mediaplayer to stop on page deactivating10:10
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chem|stkimmoli: you know that you do not need to  ping every time you append, tjc pings already!10:40
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ThaodanI applied for puplisher role on openrepos to convert my account to a puplisher account, how long does this takes usally?11:48
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kimmolican i call directly jolla-settings to open certain 'path' of settings. there is dbus call: dest=com.jolla.settings serial=2 path=/com/jolla/settings/ui; interface=com.jolla.settings.ui; member=activateWindow13:01
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kimmolibut what arguments..., and even that i need to send twice to get it open. first just shows loading cover13:02
kimmolimethod "showTransfers" is used by browser..13:03
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Uninstallrainemak_: hello13:08
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rainemak_Uninstall, hi13:18
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Uninstallrainemak_: I would ask you just one question: have you ever tried to have xulrunner-qt5/gecko stuff running on a standard linux desktop with Qt5?13:19
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rainemak_Uninstall, you mean sailfish gecko... not really but should work13:21
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Uninstallrainemak_: are you aware of anything that must be changed in order to get it properly working?13:23
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rainemak_Uninstall, no sure... but would try egl enabled Qt5 + mozconfig-merqtxulrunner13:34
Uninstallwould it break on Qt5+xcb QPA?13:35
rainemak_Uninstall, not is you install the qt5 some other directory13:36
rainemak_not if13:36
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rainemak_you could of course try to use "ac_add_options --with-gl-provider=GLX" and "ac_add_options --with-x"13:38
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rainemak_Uninstall, are you using the build.sh script?13:40
Uninstallrainemak_: no, just try configure and make, but without any success13:40
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Uninstallshould I try it?13:41
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rainemakUninstall, I need to do that at some point (during next month or so)... I could share more details then.13:46
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rainemakUninstall, would be nice to see / hear how it goes of course13:47
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Uninstallrainemak: are you trying to test it on your desktop?13:48
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rainemakUninstall, will need to do that, could write instructions then as well13:48
Uninstallcool, I would like to try it on some KDE stuff, as long as it looks like qt-gecko stuff is not going to be deprecated in few days it could be nice to have it working :)13:49
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rainemakUninstall, will write a note to myself to document the desktop build process a bit13:56
Uninstallrainemak: thank you a lot13:57
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Uninstallrainemak: it's building right now, but I get this at a certain point:14:30
Uninstall../../dist/include/nsISupportsImpl.h:89:3: error: static assertion failed: Reference-counted class nsHashPropertyBag should not have a public destructor. Try to make this class's destructor non-public. If that is really not possible, you can whitelist this class by providing a HasDangerousPublicDestructor specialization for it.14:30
Uninstall   static_assert(!MOZ_IS_DESTRUCTIBLE(X) || \14:30
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rainemakUninstall, did you apply patches on top?14:33
Uninstallrainemak: no14:33
rainemakUninstall, just git am rpm/00*14:33
Uninstallok, thank you14:34
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lainwir3dhmmm15:41
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lainwir3dmy silicalistview goes too far outside its bound15:42
lainwir3dwhen scrolling15:42
lainwir3doooh15:42
lainwir3dfound why15:42
lainwir3dI think15:42
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lainwir3dquick solution : clip the silicalistview, but... that's ugly15:44
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coderusThaodan: immediately?15:50
Thaodancoderus: what?15:51
coderuslainwir3d: you should always clip listview15:51
coderusThaodan: openrepos15:51
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coderuslainwir3d: because nothing is limiting it, just screen size15:51
Thaodancoderus: not immediatly, but works now15:51
lainwir3dcoderus: really ? I don't get why it's displaying outside its boudaries if I set a height :-/15:52
lainwir3dAnd it's not cool performance wise to clip items15:52
lainwir3dbut well, one clipped shouldn't do any difference15:52
lainwir3dI would have preferred finding another solution but that's gonna have to wait I guess15:53
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coderuswhat solution?15:55
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lainwir3dwell, make it not draw outside its box :-/15:56
lainwir3dBut it's obviously a bug15:56
lainwir3dIMO15:56
lainwir3dor not. Maybe just an intended behaviour15:56
lainwir3dbut if you look at qml listview, there is a property that allows it to behave like silicalistview (displayMarginBeginning / displayMarginEnd)15:57
lainwir3dbut silicalistview ignores it it seems even if I put it to 015:58
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Uninstallrainemak: https://paste.kde.org/po1db6vlf/ssd0vi16:04
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Thaodanis it possible to sync google notes with sailfish?16:08
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coderusThaodan: you can make an app for that16:47
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Thaodancoderus: so there's an api to extend the notes app?17:23
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coderusThaodan: i think it just writing to some database17:30
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leszekanyone knows how to use the cookies from webview (qml) in qtnetworkaccessmanager on the c++ side of things ? I try to fix webcats downloader to allow downloading from forums (like attachements that you can only download when logged in)17:45
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ThaodanI try to lsof on jolla-notes but get "/proc/17450/fd/43 (readlink: Permission denied)" and so on18:40
Thaodanwhy?18:40
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Thaodanis this the base of jolla-notes? https://github.com/Ortofta/SilicaNote18:53
Thaodanjollla is bitbucket18:58
Thaodan*is on18:58
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NokiusFYI: going to cccamp? --> https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Session:Jolla/Sailfish_User_Meeting19:10
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Thaodandoes sailfish uses different filles for accounts handling? on my desktop i found .profile files and on sailfish .service files?19:40
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m4g0gThaodan: ping20:00
Thaodanm4g0g: yes?20:01
m4g0gThx for the skype account, but is it possible to add conferences - they don't work20:01
Thaodanwhat you mean with conference?20:02
m4g0gwhen more then 2 users chating20:02
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m4g0gI can't remember proper work for this in skype context20:03
m4g0gword*20:03
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Thaodandoes this works at all?20:06
m4g0gThaodan: no20:08
m4g0gI can't send message to this conversation and don't get messages from this conversation. Simple 2-users conversation works perfect20:08
Thaodanthen why should conferences should work with skype?20:09
m4g0gbecause this is skype feature20:09
Thaodannearly all connection managers support group chat20:10
Thaodanbut not jolla's ui20:10
Thaodanqmlmessages aka jolla-messages has some code but the code is not feature complete20:11
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m4g0gI know, but may be it is possible to create hack over this? Use this skype MUC like simple chat, but with messages from different users?20:11
Thaodanyou'll need to hack telepathy-haze at least, telepathy-haze is still limited20:11
m4g0gargh20:12
m4g0git's a pity :-(20:12
m4g0gBut your work is very good. Thx!20:13
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Thaodanm4g0g: i don't even know if telepathy-haze support group chat20:14
m4g0gAdvanced tasks (low priority) :  Implement chatroom/MUC support (DONE)20:15
m4g0gThaodan: ^^20:15
Thaodanlink?20:15
m4g0ghttps://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/GSoC2009/TelepathyPrpl - from here20:15
Thaodanah okay20:18
Thaodanhm telepathy-haze has some stuff that makes skypweb a bit buggy20:18
Thaodansee my bug reports at https://github.com/eionrobb/skype4pidgin/issues20:20
coderusThaodan: i said you20:20
coderushaze libpurple wrapper is ugly20:21
coderusall devs know that20:21
coderusbetter compile pidgin for sailfishos20:21
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r0kk3rzcant it be made un-ugly20:26
r0kk3rzor do the ends just not match up20:26
Thaodanor improve the haze wrapper, i don't would like pidgin or any new im client20:27
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coderusfeel free to try20:33
coderusi know many devs who tried to push some changes to haze, but it was rejected by some reasons20:33
coderusif you want to maintain mer clone it will be awesome :)20:34
Thaodancoderus: do you got some links to the rejected changes?20:34
ThaodanI know telepathy-haze is still libpurple-2 but version is approching20:35
coderusThaodan: no, i'm not tracking it20:36
coderusjust was chatted with some devs20:36
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m4g0gcoderus: but compiling purple doesn't give us accounts - it gives only new client as maximum, or I am wrong?20:39
coderusyes, new client is awesome20:40
coderusjust stop writing plugins for purple20:41
coderuswrite it to telepathy itself20:41
coderuswrappers are cool when everybody can use it20:41
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Thaodancoderus:  but ppl write purple plugins?20:44
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coderusbecause crossplatform20:47
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coderusbecause pidgin is crossplatform*20:47
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coderustelepathy-haze just allow you to use purple plugins without pidgin20:48
coderusthis is the ONLY advantage with tons of bugs20:48
coderusso i will prefer to have pidgin instead of buggy integration to system20:48
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coderusthe best thing is to compile stable pidgin and built it into system20:52
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Thaodancoderus: then it seems that telepathy is failed20:54
Thaodantelepathy-haze should cross plattform too but the problem is that the ui for it is not20:55
Thaodanthe problem with pidgin its gtk20:55
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TemeVskypeweb seems to have libskypeweb, maybe the developer would be kind enough to separate that to its own project20:59
TemeVit would make it easy to write telepathy-plugin20:59
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coderusnot pidgin then but any other qt based lipurple clien21:01
Thaodancoderus: but why another qt based client? Is not possible to fix telepath-haze21:02
ThaodanTemeV: I'll fill a bug tracker entry just now21:02
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ThaodanTemeV: libskypeweb depends on purple still21:03
TemeVoh21:03
Thaodanjust search for purple*21:03
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TemeVok, seems to be purple all around21:04
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TemeVI guess, the dev is not interested on creating a non purple library21:05
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TemeVBut it might be worth asking21:05
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TemeVbtw, which is "better", libpurple or telepathy?21:07
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TemeVI can't find good comparison21:07
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Thaodanhttps://github.com/EionRobb/skype4pidgin/issues/31421:08
Thaodanadded bugtracker entry21:08
Thaodanmaybe be someone can add something I forgot21:08
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ThaodanTemeV: as far as I know telepath and libpurple at somepoint21:09
coderusThaodan: try then.21:09
Thaodanfor example telepathy relies heavy on dbus21:10
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ThaodanTemeV: does this help? https://blogs.gnome.org/danni/2009/11/19/why-telepathy-is-not-like-libpurple/21:11
TemeVThaodan: I just found that like 10 seconds ago :)21:12
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TemeVYeah, that explains it quite well21:14
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Thaodanthe idea is good but would someone would port it windows, eg write a windows or os x ui=21:17
Thaodan*?21:17
Thaodancan someone add points for native telepathy support to the bugtracker entry of skypeweb I posted?21:19
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TemeVThaodan: I added comment21:22
ThaodanTemeV: thanks, my english is somewhat limited21:23
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TemeVno problem21:24
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ThaodanI just found this blog entry from 2013, but it's still relevant, I post this here cause we had a simlar topic: http://jeff.ecchi.ca/blog/2013/12/20/the-death-of-instant-messaging-in-2013/21:28
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King_DuckZit's not like skype is better21:50
King_DuckZthey only have one client but I get all sort of problems - add a contact without the other party receiving notification, file transfer very slow/not working, random bad connection during voice calls21:51
King_DuckZand google chat doesn't address any of those, at least without installing their weird fat hangouts client + chromium21:52
King_DuckZit's true most people on my xmpp account are google users, but they don't have a clue of what's going on - they just create "teh chat account" as required by their phone21:53
King_DuckZ"What does Jabber really offer in a compelling way that IRC doesn’t?" IRC was never designed with mobiles in mind, and the main problem I found is that with the line dropping frequently for very short times, you spend your times quitting/leaving channels21:58
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King_DuckZthen you get the infamous ghosts occupying your nickname until they timeout or you tell nickserv you want your nick back21:59
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King_DuckZand offline messages - everybody, me included, always forget about memoserv22:05
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ThaodanKing_DuckZ: yes this is true mobile usage in irc is not good22:10
Thaodanyou can't even login with multiple nicks22:10
Thaodanhowever xmpp not really at a diserable feature level currently22:11
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ThaodanTemeV: he closed the request, but offered help22:15
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Blizzzwhen i have app allowed to be in any mode and i actually have it in landscape (fixed setting), the swipe to close action will still be from the phones top as if in portrait. how would i fix this?22:34
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Thaodantelepathy-haze is nolonger aviable on jolla servers?23:51
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