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| tortoisedoc | crappy webirc client | 06:01 |
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| beautyff | #jollamobile | 06:34 |
| tortoisedoc | whats happening in there? :) | 06:34 |
| beautyff | dacuo liao | 06:34 |
| tortoisedoc | w0t | 06:34 |
| beautyff | 最近irc上好少人啊 | 06:34 |
| tortoisedoc | ah i see | 06:35 |
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| beautyff | so did you make some sailfishos project? | 06:35 |
| tortoisedoc | yes? | 06:37 |
| tortoisedoc | did you? | 06:37 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 06:37 |
| beautyff | NOT MY CODE POOR | 06:37 |
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| tortoisedoc | grrr | 07:58 |
| tortoisedoc | on 1.1.9.28 :/ | 07:58 |
| tortoisedoc | crappy copy paste is completely broken :/ | 07:58 |
| tortoisedoc | anyone else experienced the same? | 07:58 |
| tortoisedoc | i can only paste, no more copying | 07:59 |
| tortoisedoc | need to reboot | 07:59 |
| tortoisedoc | second time it's happening now in a week's time | 07:59 |
| tortoisedoc | there | 07:59 |
| tortoisedoc | https://together.jolla.com/question/110158/copypaste-is-broken-in-11928-early-access/ | 07:59 |
| Jean-Scotch | I notice the same behaviour :( | 08:02 |
| tortoisedoc | Jean-Scotch please comment to the tjc thread your experience | 08:04 |
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| daitheflu | Hello | 08:06 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmhm | 08:20 |
| tortoisedoc | someone pinged me? i noticed some activity but the window closed.. | 08:21 |
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| tortoisedoc | therefore, whoever pinged me but does not get a reply, feel free to ping again :) | 08:24 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 09:31 |
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| ArtVandalae | Hi all. First week with my Jolla device. My previous device was the N9. I gotta sing praises, SailfishOS works amazingly well (I'm running 1.1.7). Keep up the good work! | 09:59 |
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| Skorpy | shame the hardware isn't as good as N9 | 10:11 |
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| Nicd- | ArtVandalae: 1.1.9 has the new UI and I'm told is more like N9 | 10:12 |
| Nicd- | you can get it from early access already | 10:12 |
| ArtVandalae | Skorpy, I love the N9's size and robustness/sturdiness/build-quality -- I'd always hoped SailfishOS would become available for the N9 :) | 10:16 |
| Nicd- | but the N9 doesn't have a keyboard! | 10:17 |
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| Nicd- | :P | 10:17 |
| ArtVandalae | :) | 10:17 |
| Nicd- | at least we have tohkbd | 10:17 |
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| ArtVandalae | I bought one of those too! I originally bought my Jolla in Dec 2014. It was more to show my support for Linux on the mobile, I didn't really need a new phone. | 10:18 |
| ArtVandalae | Nicd-, thanks for the info regarding 1.1.9. I'm keeping a close eye out | 10:20 |
| Nicd- | I wish I had money to just show support :D | 10:20 |
| Smar | few billions would help ;) | 10:21 |
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| phdeswer | Millions would be a good start already ;) | 10:24 |
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| tanghus | Reading through the changelog for 1.1.9. What is this "act dead" that is mentioned several times? | 12:34 |
| maikoool | tanghus: IIRC if your device is turned off and you plug in the charger, it doesnt fully boot and only shows the charging icon | 12:35 |
| maikoool | that's actdead mode | 12:35 |
| Tegu | has that been fixed? woo | 12:35 |
| tanghus | maikoool: Ah, that kinda makes sense. Thanks. | 12:35 |
| maikoool | cause UI and modem shouldnt be running but kernel is still booted, and display is still on etc | 12:35 |
| maikoool | so it 'acts dead' ;) | 12:35 |
| Tegu | I've always had to detach the cable when trying to start the phone :/ | 12:36 |
| tanghus | :) | 12:36 |
| Vae_DuckZ | geez, why do people never read the comments in the jolla store | 12:37 |
| jaacoppi | why do people never read most things they should? Blame the Internet | 12:39 |
| fledermaus | that behaviour predates the internet. | 12:39 |
| fledermaus | anyone here have any idea why after björnträsket a GPS-using app (spotra) should have stopped being able to get a GPS lock? | 12:40 |
| Vae_DuckZ | the twitter dude also disappeared again -_- | 12:40 |
| Vae_DuckZ | tweetian* | 12:40 |
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| coderus | "the twitter dude" :D | 12:47 |
| coderus | veskuh: ^ | 12:47 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I'd know his name if he was posting comments more often ;) | 12:49 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I know it's a pita having me complaining about this every other day, so sorry about this, but to all the devs here, please don't ignore commenters | 12:50 |
| Vae_DuckZ | most users don't even know what irc is, so if they don't get a reply on the store they just give up | 12:51 |
| coderus | veskuh is jolla sailor, he have a lot of work to do, not just tweetian :D | 12:51 |
| Vae_DuckZ | idk who veskuh is, but keeping your community intact is not something you can dismiss with "ah I've been busy and for the past 10 months I never had 5 minutes to open the jolla store and type hey thanks for your support guys" | 12:52 |
| Vae_DuckZ | there's really no excuse, this is hurting the community, even jolla seems to have finally understood that, and as a dev coderus you should also understand that | 12:53 |
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| daitheflu | Vae_DuckZ: "even jolla seems to have finally understood that" - can you elaborate please ? | 12:56 |
| Vae_DuckZ | daitheflu: I'm referring to the cybette user finally replying to Maps' comments | 12:58 |
| Vae_DuckZ | daitheflu: apparently that's the pr manager at jolla and it's not a fake | 12:58 |
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| coderus | i'm reading my apps comments once in a month or so :D | 13:11 |
| Nicd- | Vae_DuckZ: it is really inconvenient to read the app comments | 13:14 |
| Nicd- | I very rarely read them | 13:14 |
| Nicd- | if we had notifications and harbour UI to read them I would read and respond to every one | 13:14 |
| Nicd- | currently it's not sensible | 13:14 |
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| veskuh | Vae_DuckZ, I respond in twitter, and github | 13:16 |
| Vae_DuckZ | Nicd-: I know that because you guys told me on irc, but as I said most people don't know - I understand what you mean, but what if you set up an alarm every 2 weeks as a reminder? | 13:16 |
| Vae_DuckZ | veskuh: hi, not everybody has twitter, and most people don't and should not have a github account | 13:17 |
| veskuh | well, tweetian users should have twitter | 13:17 |
| Vae_DuckZ | veskuh: ah you're the tweetian dude! well then yes | 13:17 |
| coderus | Vae_DuckZ: :D x1000 | 13:18 |
| Smar | I prefer the method of complaining at IRC ;) | 13:18 |
| Nicd- | Vae_DuckZ: I have better things to do than to use an inconvenient user interface to reply to comments which I cannot get notifications from and to which I cannot properly respond. the jolla store does not even support landscape so I have to type with everything rotated 90° | 13:18 |
| coderus | i prefet tmo thread over all ways | 13:18 |
| Nicd- | by properly responding I mean there is no reply button | 13:18 |
| coderus | prefer* | 13:18 |
| Vae_DuckZ | veskuh: maybe you could write "send comments on my twitter account" somewhere on the tweetian page then? | 13:18 |
| Nicd- | so I have to manually @people and hope they come back and read it and it doesn't get lost in the comment flow | 13:19 |
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| veskuh | Vae_DuckZ, yes, I could update the description about best feedback channels. | 13:19 |
| Vae_DuckZ | guys, my point (and I think I'm representing most commenters here) is that comments are your direct communications with your users | 13:20 |
| coderus | Vae_DuckZ: until store comments can be read and write only in sailfish client i prefer to read it as rare as i can | 13:21 |
| Vae_DuckZ | Nicd-: I know, by not putting a decent notification system jolla created this problem, but users don't know and they have no fault | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | by the same extension it is not my fault either | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | complain to jolla | 13:22 |
| coderus | and of course, if jolla store will have paid apps support, and still no way to read/write comments outside sailfish client, i do my best to read and answer comments every day. | 13:22 |
| Vae_DuckZ | Nicd-: ok I will, and please do the same | 13:22 |
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| coderus | Vae_DuckZ: check tjc, its already here for ages | 13:23 |
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| veskuh | Its kinda curious that jolla store's comments have become almost a discussion forum. IMO in other app stores those more used for actual reviews. | 13:23 |
| Vae_DuckZ | coderus and Nicd- tell them on twitter, @JollaHQ | 13:23 |
| coderus | Vae_DuckZ: really? in JollaHQ twitter? :D | 13:24 |
| Vae_DuckZ | but either way imo you being stubborn (because checking comments and posting a generic reply every 2 weeks *is not the end of the world*) and jolla not enhancing their system is ultimately hurting how users perceive their sf experience | 13:25 |
| Nicd- | I don't use twitter | 13:25 |
| Vae_DuckZ | coderus: hm? | 13:25 |
| coderus | you should send it to developer-care@jolla.com imho | 13:26 |
| coderus | Nicd-: y not? | 13:26 |
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| Nicd- | I have no use for twitter | 13:26 |
| coderus | read people you like and post information you want to share | 13:27 |
| Nicd- | if I have something interesting to say I'll say it on my blog. I have enough to follow as it is | 13:27 |
| Vae_DuckZ | ok, if that's their preferred way of contacting, then let's agree to write them an email and do that for real | 13:27 |
| coderus | Nicd-: so oldschool, i see :D | 13:27 |
| Nicd- | well, if I have something to say it's usually more than 140 chars and if it's less I don't bother saying it at all :P | 13:28 |
| Vae_DuckZ | coderus: that's not what twitter is for o.O | 13:28 |
| Nicd- | and I like running my own blog, I made the blog engine myself too | 13:29 |
| Vae_DuckZ | coderus and Nicd- this is the real definition :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFKHaFJzUb4 | 13:29 |
| Nicd- | but that's facebook | 13:30 |
| coderus | https://together.jolla.com/question/17796/store-comments-moderation-notification-and-direct-messages/ | 13:30 |
| Vae_DuckZ | whops | 13:30 |
| * Vae_DuckZ whips himself | 13:30 | |
| Vae_DuckZ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJr8uAqQCBM | 13:30 |
| Vae_DuckZ | coderus: does jolla read that? because that dates from 2 years ago and has no replies at all | 13:32 |
| Nicd- | well they have repeadetly said that TJC is the best place for feedback | 13:32 |
| pketolai | yes, we are very aware about the shortcomings of the store comment system | 13:32 |
| Vae_DuckZ | Nicd-: I'd still email them, maybe adding that link in the email itself | 13:33 |
| pketolai | and the above question is pretty much duplicate of this one https://together.jolla.com/question/52591/harbour-and-latest-reviews/ | 13:36 |
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| pketolai | which we have in our harbour improvements backlog, but unfortunatelu that backlog is looooong | 13:38 |
| coderus | pketolai: still both of these questions have no big attention and very low voted | 13:39 |
| Vae_DuckZ | no idea if 25 upvotes is a lot or not on that website, but it should be made clear this is an important feature | 13:39 |
| coderus | Vae_DuckZ: i'd say this is not the only important feature, also it''s not the most important feature, so | 13:39 |
| Vae_DuckZ | coderus: it is, there are not millions of devs and billions of users, so retaining what you have is vital | 13:40 |
| Vae_DuckZ | coderus: try wearing the regular user hat for a bit, forget about tjc, github, twitter | 13:41 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | you have this niche phone, you download an app, you have a problem, ask for help and you get ignored - at best you see other people complaining for the lack of communication or reporting even more unanswered problems | 13:42 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | I'll go as far as saying that removing comments altogether would be more beneficial to the sf community than leaving the system as is now | 13:45 |
| v2px | as app developers are probably logged in on their device with the jolla account they used to submit the app, they could receive notifications for new comments | 13:47 |
| Nicd- | I would really prefer not to reply on the device | 13:47 |
| Nicd- | typing with my head tilted 90° is not fun | 13:47 |
| coderus | Nicd-: tohkbd ;) | 13:48 |
| Nicd- | exactly, the store does not support landscape | 13:48 |
| Vae_DuckZ | just to be clear, when I'm saying "you devs please try to answer ppl" I'm just proposing a workaround, but I see the problem is upstream | 13:49 |
| pketolai | to get record of the ideas and feedback I would suggest you put them in the question https://together.jolla.com/question/52591/harbour-and-latest-reviews/ | 13:54 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | yay 17 days of uptime! | 14:54 |
| Vae_DuckZ | the last update did fix a lot of stability problems I had! | 14:54 |
| Vae_DuckZ | (last update also happened to be released 17 days ago) | 14:54 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I'm not going to reboot until sf2 goes stable | 14:55 |
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| DuckZ | ah but I'm having the issue where I can't copy anything to the clipboard anymore :( | 14:59 |
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| TemeV | DuckZ: restart the keyboard with the utilities | 15:02 |
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| DuckZ | TemeV: nope, no change :/ | 15:08 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | btw the link I was trying to pasti is http://i.imgur.com/uSNk0GD.png | 15:10 |
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