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| schoppenhauer | hi. is it possible to copy text from the standard mail-app in sailfish os? | 11:43 |
| eugenio | AFAIK no, you must do a Reply/Forward and copy the text from there (without sending the mail) | 11:44 |
| schoppenhauer | ok thx | 11:44 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 12:50 |
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| tony__ | please, I have one question regarding Legal, if I decide to use QML code into a product (like a Sailfish tablet). Do I need to buy a license Digia/Qt for commercial releases/production? | 14:18 |
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| urjaman | IANAL, but no | 14:19 |
| urjaman | (Jolla doesnt) | 14:20 |
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| Amu | does the SDK thingy even allow using commercial version of Qt? | 14:24 |
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| till | isn't qt lgpl licensed? | 14:24 |
| Nicd- | it's dual licensed | 14:25 |
| Nicd- | LGPL and commercial licence | 14:25 |
| leinir | tripple | 14:25 |
| Smar | Qt is, but does the SDK thingy allow it? | 14:25 |
| Smar | or, sailfish libs | 14:25 |
| till | depends on the sdk license | 14:26 |
| tony__ | I'm asking this because I hearing from official channels that if I decide to release products with QML/Qt libraries I'll need to buy Qt license and pay a fee per unit | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | tony__: if you statically link them, yes | 14:27 |
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| Stskeeps | but in sailfishos, you dynamically link with them, the LGPL versions | 14:27 |
| tony__ | I use dynamic link | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | so you have nothing to worry about | 14:27 |
| tony__ | and I used Qt creator to develop my software | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | nothing to worry about on sailfishos :) | 14:27 |
| tony__ | It seems that they are forcing... | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | as long as you make sure to dynamically link with qt, you're fine | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | we don't have a qt commercial license, our entire product (sailfishos) is based on the LGPL licensing of Qt. | 14:28 |
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| tony__ | ok, I knew that, but I had to ask because you're my reference. And I'm receiving this request from official channels. | 14:28 |
| tony__ | thanks so much guys | 14:28 |
| tony__ | :) | 14:28 |
| lainwir3d | :) | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | tony__: http://www.qt.io/qt-licensing-terms/ may help | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | jpakkane: we might want to have a page on lgpl and such on sailfishos.org, if we don't have one already ^^^ | 14:33 |
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| tony__ | thanks Stskeeps :) | 14:37 |
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| coderus | jpakkane: ping | 15:15 |
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| jpakkane | coderus: pong. | 15:23 |
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| coderus | jpakkane: adding new device in sdk creating ssh keys in default folder, not using given device name, ssh keys overwrites | 15:25 |
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| haasn`phone | Quick question, I can seemingly no longer access cover controls from the home screen - trying to swipe sideways from a cover instead moves me to the events view. Is this a known issue? | 15:43 |
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| urjaman | tap on them | 15:45 |
| urjaman | it's a "feature" | 15:45 |
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| coderus | where is qt sources git built for sailfishos? | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | coderus: 'where'? | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | is, or is built | 16:34 |
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| locusf | github/mer-qt ? | 16:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | is built im guessing, so jolla obs? | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:39 |
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| coderus | i mean where is sources jolla using to build :) | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | mer-qt | 16:47 |
| coderus | yeah thanks, found it after locusf mentioned it :) | 16:47 |
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| lukedirtwalker | attah: ping | 20:47 |
| attah | lukedirtwalker: pong | 20:47 |
| lukedirtwalker | you were the one with playback drops in Cutespot on tablet? | 20:48 |
| attah | yup, nice catch on the bug report i had yet to file | 20:48 |
| lukedirtwalker | can you tell me a specific track? and 2.4g or 5g wifi? | 20:48 |
| lukedirtwalker | I cant really reproduce it | 20:49 |
| attah | all and any tracks, but acording to tigeli it has to be 320kbps | 20:49 |
| lukedirtwalker | and do you have to wait long until it happens? | 20:49 |
| attah | also i had to have just about zero apps running beside it | 20:49 |
| attah | 30s +/- 20 maybe | 20:50 |
| Nokius | olpe: ping | 20:50 |
| lukedirtwalker | okay, I will try harder then :D | 20:51 |
| lukedirtwalker | attah: thanks for the infos | 20:51 |
| attah | np | 20:51 |
| r0kk3rz | lukedirtwalker: could also be adaptation related | 20:51 |
| lukedirtwalker | r0kk3rz: how do you mean? | 20:52 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: apparently it isn't (related to tablet adaptation) | 20:52 |
| attah | i was just running fewer apps in parallell | 20:52 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds odd anyway | 20:54 |
| r0kk3rz | but maybe you need to play around with nemokeepalive | 20:54 |
| olpe | Nokius: pong | 20:55 |
| lukedirtwalker | I can also increase buffer size maybe it helps, but first I have to reproduce it | 20:55 |
| lukedirtwalker | attah: are the breaks you hear long? | 20:58 |
| attah | it stops playback completely | 20:59 |
| lukedirtwalker | and it doesn't recover? | 20:59 |
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| attah | not until i wake it up | 21:00 |
| lukedirtwalker | okay | 21:00 |
| attah | lukedirtwalker: and you tried with no other apps running, android stopped? | 21:02 |
| attah | .. and playing music you haven'r listened to before? | 21:02 |
| attah | *t | 21:02 |
| lukedirtwalker | yes | 21:03 |
| attah | that's too bad.. i really had no issue reproducing once i did all that, even on the phone | 21:04 |
| attah | maybe the tracks you tried weren't actually 320kbps? | 21:04 |
| lukedirtwalker | maybe, that's why I asked for tracks | 21:05 |
| attah | i did the "Discover Weekly" as well as my own playlists | 21:06 |
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| lukedirtwalker | attah: I will increase the buffer size and send you a test version | 21:09 |
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| attah | great! | 21:10 |
| attah | lukedirtwalker: just had it happen on the tablet.. but now it is more choppy than i remembered | 21:11 |
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| attah | so i'd guess it's some bandwidth thingy | 21:11 |
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| attah | now it gave out completely | 21:12 |
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| attah | i seem to recall coderus having a good idea of what was going on | 21:13 |
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| Wnt | lukedirtwalker: are you maintaining cutespot for sailfish? | 21:13 |
| lukedirtwalker | Wnt: yes | 21:13 |
| Wnt | lukedirtwalker: would you happen to know anything about the Ubuntu phone version? | 21:13 |
| lukedirtwalker | attah: I just halved the buffer size and it still works for me :S | 21:13 |
| attah | :/ | 21:14 |
| lukedirtwalker | Wnt: I guess you would have to ask Elleo | 21:14 |
| attah | i had poor luck with the phone now though | 21:14 |
| Wnt | lukedirtwalker: OK, thanks! | 21:15 |
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| Wnt | Is there some IRC channel or other messaging channel dedicated to CuteSpotify? | 21:15 |
| stephg | Wnt: here may be as good as you get (afaik) | 21:16 |
| lukedirtwalker | not really, there is a gitter chat but it is tied rather to the sailfish repo | 21:16 |
| lukedirtwalker | and it is rather empty :D (https://gitter.im/lukedirtwalker/cutespotify) | 21:17 |
| * stephg respectfully bows to lukedirtwalker cos you know he knows whereof he speaks | 21:17 | |
| lukedirtwalker | ? thanks | 21:18 |
| attah | i need to sleep, g'night folks! | 21:19 |
| Wnt | I have two problems with the Ubuntu Touch version: Doesn't play in the background (seems to be a known problem https://github.com/Elleo/cutespotify/issues/16 ) | 21:19 |
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| stephg | night Acce | 21:20 |
| stephg | dmanit | 21:20 |
| stephg | no he gone | 21:20 |
| stephg | Wnt: if you don't mind me asking what are you running Touch on? | 21:20 |
| Wnt | the other issue is that it keeps asking me to login almost each time I start it. When re-logging in it also loses the playlists I have set to be as available offline | 21:20 |
| Wnt | stephg: Aquaris E4.5 | 21:21 |
| stephg | Wnt: that sounds like it not being able to write to file(s)/dirs for some reason | 21:21 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, anyone willing to be a modRana porter/maintainer for Ubuntu Touch ? :) | 21:21 |
| lukedirtwalker | Wnt: I have no idea about Ubuntu port, and also no ubuntu device | 21:22 |
| Wnt | stephg: yeah | 21:22 |
| M4rtinK | I have had users asking for a UT port, but I don't have any UT hardware and I'm frankly not much interested in the platform | 21:22 |
| Wnt | weird thing is that at least once it did save the login stuff | 21:22 |
| lukedirtwalker | We wanted to merge stuff to a single repo once but I guess both of us didn't have enough time :S | 21:23 |
| stephg | Wnt: well that'd fit I suppose, auth info was saved with correct credentials and then whatever clobbbered the rest, did | 21:24 |
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| mhall119 | Wnt: "fails to play in the background" is a platform restriction on Ubuntu, since Spotify won't play through gstreamer it can't play when the app doesn't have focus | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC apps on Ubuntu Touch apply only run when they are in background | 21:58 |
| M4rtinK | eq. no multitasking! :D | 21:58 |
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| mhall119 | that's the default lifecycle management on the phone, yes, it keeps app from killing your battery when you're not using them | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | also keeps many applications from working :) | 21:59 |
| mhall119 | you can undo that on a per-app basis with gsettings or one of the various tweak tools out there, I did that for my terminal app | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | even BlackBerry 10 is not that strict | 22:00 |
| mhall119 | M4rtinK: not as many as you might thing, but yes there are several use cases that aren't possible right now because of that | 22:00 |
| mhall119 | fwiw, anything that can play through gstreamer can continue playing in the background | 22:00 |
| mhall119 | the Music app does that, as does 3rd party stuff like PodBird | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | I rather think its the other way around - some simple app use-cases are possible and other are blocked by this stupidity :) | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | won't help my navigation system :) | 22:01 |
| mhall119 | no, navigation and activity trackers are currently not possible | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | such platform, wery limited, wow! :) | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | (sorry, but UT has been in development for years and this is the best it can come with ?) | 22:02 |
| mhall119 | those are just 2 uses cases, and the developers of those apps are working with the platform developers to hammer our a solution that makes them possible without opening the floodgates | 22:02 |
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| M4rtinK | (not to mention the many reports (including a friend who got the Aquarius device to try UT out) about the general slowness and lags...) | 22:03 |
| mhall119 | like I said, it's possible to white-list apps that can run in the background, it's just not allowed by default | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | one would think that when you have your own twekaed display server (Mir) and kill apps dead in the background it would be fast | 22:03 |
| mhall119 | lag hasn't been an issue really since Mir was first introduced, but yes app loading it still slow | 22:03 |
| Wnt | app loading is very slow on UT. also something (maybe memory management) has serious issues which makes even the 'slide to unlock device' stutter so much you cannot use the device once a day on average | 22:05 |
| mhall119 | on the Aquaris? Running stable release or dailies? | 22:06 |
| Wnt | so I need to reboot the device 1-2 times a day | 22:06 |
| Wnt | mhall119: Aquaris, stable release | 22:06 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, not sure what's going on there, it's not like that on the Nexus 4 | 22:06 |
| mhall119 | I don't have an aquaris to check with though | 22:06 |
| mhall119 | granted the Nexus 4 is slightly higher spec than the Aquaris, i think | 22:07 |
| mhall119 | looks pretty good on my TV too :) | 22:08 |
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