Friday, 2015-10-30

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mvaenskaeis harbour.jolla.com the app-store run by jolla?00:38
mvaenskaei guess the terms and conditions there apply then as the app-store conditions00:38
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coderusharbour is the place to submit your apps to jolla store01:18
coderusjolla store can be browsed only using sailfish device01:19
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mvaenskaecoderus: so the terms on harbour are the app-store terms, right?01:31
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coderusyes, you can understand it yourself by reading it03:18
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mvaenskaecheers :=08:17
mvaenskaemay i ask what text predicition engine SOS is using internally? further, what android runtime is being used? not asking for detailed specs but the partners responsible for the code08:18
urjamanmyriad aliendalvik08:20
urjamanis the android08:20
urjamani dunno of the text prediction...08:20
mvaenskaecould it be xt9?08:21
tbrlikely08:22
mvaenskaeurjaman: thanks for myriad aliendalvik08:22
urjaman"jolla-xt9-0.5.2-10.14.3.jolla.armv7hl" maybe08:22
mvaenskaeknowing the term already gives me meaningful results :)08:23
mvaenskaeurjaman: where did you check that? :)08:23
urjaman"pkcon search name xt9" on the phone08:23
urjamanthe aliendalvik package has a description of "Myriad Alien Dalvik" so i guess thats a more proper name08:24
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mvaenskaemyriad is a company :)08:25
urjamanyeah i know08:26
mvaenskaeurjaman: thank you very much for the information, you just saved me from having to pray for google to be helpful in giving me a search-term i can then give it :)08:26
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mvaenskaeoh, wow i think i hit a jackpot :)08:38
mvaenskaehttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SailfishOSS how up to date is system 1.1.0.39?08:38
tbrthat's rather oooool08:39
tbroooooold08:39
tbrthough practically probably not much has changed08:39
mvaenskaehow old is it?08:40
mvaenskaebecause that is awesome to have as a link for my article08:40
daithefluGood morning08:40
mvaenskaeshows all the closed and open parts of SailfishOS :)08:40
Tegumvaenskae: December 2014 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS#Version_history08:40
mvaenskaedaitheflu: good morning08:40
Teguoh wait08:40
Teguno08:41
Tegu(I only looked at the text Vaarainjärvin instead of the number. so October 2014)08:41
mvaenskaethanks, so it is about a year old :)08:42
mvaenskaethat's sufficient for me :)08:42
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urjamanthere's been like (i guess) 4-5 updates after that...08:43
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urjamanbut not much that'd change the OSS/non-OSS split08:44
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mvaenskaethat is what i am assuming :)08:46
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daithefluguys I'm once again beaten by the almighty Qt :(08:48
daithefluI'm building a model inheriting from QSqlTableModel, it was supposed to be very simple, straightforward08:49
daithefluthe model is displayed in a SilicaListView, and I can delete items with a ContextMenu that runs a Remorse08:50
daithefluproblem is :08:50
daithefluwith EditStrategy set to OnFieldChange, I can't run several remorses at the same time because the model is resetted as soon as the first running remorse ends08:51
daithefluwith EditStrategy set to OnManualSubmit, a deleted item is deleted from the db, but the UI doesn't update until you call select() on the model, which resets the model, which destroys any running remorse08:53
daithefluwhat am I supposed to do in such a case ? :/08:53
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mvaenskaecan someone help me find a link which lists os changelogs?08:58
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mvaenskaeahhh, found it with a different search term :)08:59
lukedirtwalkermvaenskae: https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:changelog/page:1/query:changelog/09:00
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mvaenskaecan someone help me out getting the *bleeping* license details alien dalvik by myriad has?!09:37
Stskeepsmvaenskae: it's properitary09:37
Stskeepssimple as that09:37
mvaenskaeStskeeps: reference please ;)09:37
StskeepsRPM header09:37
Stskeeps:P09:37
Stskeepslicensed to sailfishos, which licenses it to users on devices09:37
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Stskeepsit's not freely distributable if that's what you're wondering :)09:38
mvaenskaemyriad seems to not be interested in telling that it licenses alien dalvik to anyone09:38
mvaenskaei have been searching the last 30 minutes for a license by them or them stating that alien dalvik is closed source09:39
Stskeepsit is09:39
Stskeeps:P09:39
Stskeepsif it's not declared open source, it's closed source :)09:39
Stskeepshttp://www.myriadgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/13-11-20-Myriad-to-power-Android-Apps-on-Jolla-Smartphones-Final-Version.pdf09:40
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mvaenskaeStskeeps: no mention of it being licensed to jolla in the press release nor it being closed source ;)09:42
Stskeepsanyway, you can use me as a authortised source09:42
Stskeepsit's licensed09:42
Stskeepsand closed soure09:42
Stskeepsc09:42
mvaenskaemay i get that as an email from you? :) i guess my professor is much happier with an email compared to an IRC chatlog09:43
Stskeepshttps://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Sailfish_Architecture_v0.5.1.png says it's propertiary software09:44
Stskeepsnote the colr09:44
Stskeepsor09:44
mvaenskaehm, true, if i combine them both it should suffice09:44
Stskeepsand it's a no-brainer that it's licensed else well, we can't use it09:44
Stskeeps:P09:44
urjamani have to say that that press release is confusing if you havent heard of myriad or how they do stuff before... "<this android thing> will be integrated into <this open operating system>" :P (and if you assume android=open as in AOSP...)09:44
mvaenskaethe statement and the png make it clear it has to be licensed as a closed source component09:45
Stskeepsnod09:45
mvaenskaeurjaman: true, android should be renamed googledroid imho09:46
mvaenskaeStskeeps: one more question that you may be able to help me out with09:47
mvaenskaeStskeeps: is alien dalvik patented?09:47
Stskeepsno clue09:47
Stskeepsas a software engineer it's best not to know about patents, think about patents, etc09:47
mvaenskaeerm, as a software engineer you better know about them09:48
Stskeepsno09:48
mvaenskaeelse you can get sued badly09:48
urjamannope, you should not know of them09:48
Stskeepshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treble_damages09:48
urjamanif you know and do bad thing, worse paymment09:48
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urjamanbut if you didnt know, less bad09:48
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mvaenskaetreble damages only apply in the us though, right?09:49
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Stskeepsyeah but that's still a hostile patent area09:50
mvaenskaeindeed it is09:50
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mvaenskaethe worst from the looks09:50
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daithefluI wonder if a proxymodel could help me10:13
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tortoisedocdaitheflu : proxymodel for?10:33
daitheflutortoisedoc: mark items as deleted and hide them10:34
tortoisedocdaitheflu : move them to a separate list?10:34
daitheflutortoisedoc: that wouldn't make sense in my context10:34
daithefluwell, can you be more precise ?10:35
tortoisedocdaitheflu : what is your context ? :)10:36
daitheflutortoisedoc: I have a list and I want to delete some items from it (the underlying is a QSqlTableModel subclass)10:38
daithefluso deleted items have to disappear, I don't want them to be elsewhere10:38
daithefluI want them to be deleted, not removes10:39
daithefluremoved*10:39
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tortoisedocdaitheflu : so when someone wants to delete the item, it means deleted from the sql tables as well, correct?10:40
daitheflutortoisedoc: yes :)10:41
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tortoisedocdaitheflu : ok :) I believe your problem is that the listview does not refresh properly?10:41
tortoisedoc(from the sql tables I mean)10:42
daitheflutortoisedoc: it depends on the EditStrategy set in the model10:42
tortoisedocdaitheflu : but it still does not work?10:42
daitheflutortoisedoc: if I set it to "OnManualSubmit", then the view is updated (the db isn't until I call submitAll(), which calls select(), which resets the model, which destroys any potentially running remorse)10:43
daithefluif I set it to "OnFieldChange", the view isn't updated : I can see some kind of "ghost item"10:44
daithefluso, to answer your question, no, it doesn't work10:44
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zGrrmoin :)11:07
daithefluzGrr: morning !11:08
tortoisedocdaitheflu : according to my understanding, you should call submitAll() only at the end of the remorse time11:14
tortoisedocbut that will work only for single items11:14
tortoisedocunless you make it possible to first select all, then provide a special button / pull menu entry to remove them11:15
daitheflutortoisedoc: yes, you understand well :)11:18
daitheflutortoisedoc: I've thought about doing something like this but it's not really "sailfishy"11:19
daithefluand it adds a few steps for the user : pull menu, select "Select items" entry, tap on items, tap on the Delete button11:19
daithefluinstead of press and hold, select delete, wait11:20
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urjamanhold => select or delete + pull => invert selection and (if applicaple) delete selected would be the most flexible interface i can think of11:22
urjaman(i might've said that a bit unclearly, but ...)11:22
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daithefluit's silly, I'm not supposed to change a UI depending on the underlying model / storage technology :(11:24
urjamanmy personal opinion is that more than one remorse running at one time is a bit too confusing11:24
urjaman(i'd just delete the thing that has running remorse when you select thing 2 for deletion)11:25
daithefluurjaman: yet it's everywhere in SailfishOS11:25
urjamanyeah and i hate it, and it doesnt _always_ work11:25
urjamani end up staring at remorses for 5s the deleting next etc11:26
urjamanmaybe they've been fixed but the stuff just feels unreliable11:26
urjaman*then11:26
daithefluurjaman: yep, I know that : I have problems with that in a released app of my own, and I'm facing an issue with it right now, with another app I'm developping11:26
daithefluI still love them, the idea is great11:27
urjamani like the idea, but i dont like the implementation of having multiple running at once11:28
urjamani mean you hold-delete one thing, hold-delete another thing... shouldnt that be confirmation enough that you didnt want to cancel the 1st deletion...11:29
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urjaman(which by then is almost-too-late-to-cancel anyways)11:29
daithefluwell, I've already found myself cancelling one just after firing another one11:31
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daitheflunot that often, Ok, but it was pretty useful when it happened :)11:32
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daithefluanyway, thanks for your help, ideas and time guys :)11:33
daitheflutime for lunch here, see you this afternoon !11:33
tortoisedochow about this11:33
tortoisedocyou can select multiple items11:33
tortoisedocbut then once you long-press on one of the selected items, it will delete all11:34
tortoisedocthat way you only have one remorse timer11:34
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tortoisedocdaitheflu : ^11:34
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dv_high on my wish list:  file type associations12:02
dv_open *.gif with this app. open http://*youtube* with this youtube player. etc. and let me adjust this.12:03
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King_DuckZhello, is whatsapp for android supposed to work? because I keep on getting an unable to connect error12:13
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leszekdv_: I coded mimer on openrepos which allows you to set some default apps for some filetypes. Though I heard from Jolla they have something on their todo list. This was one of the reasons webcats 2.0.8 was rejected because it could set itself as default browser12:18
leszekthe other one was that setting defaults only works with my app and there is nothing to reset it in SailfishOS once one uninstalled my app and did not reset it beforehand12:18
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leszekmimer can be found here. https://openrepos.net/content/llelectronics/mimer12:19
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leszekKing_DuckZ: it is supposed to work. At least on the Jolla phone it should12:21
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King_DuckZleszek: weird... I verified my phone number, now I'm at the point where it asks my nickname, but as soon as I hit next I get that error12:28
King_DuckZahhh omg, you can't run it with the "disable access to phonebook" enabled12:29
King_DuckZsuch an unhelpful error message12:29
leszekxD12:35
leszekyeah error messages are somehow weird. Best error message I ever got was "This is not an error". And yes that was back in the days of Windows 2k12:35
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King_DuckZ:D12:36
King_DuckZthat's a famous one12:36
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YanielError: No Error [oK]12:48
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coderusrpm lack of OR operator in Requires ...13:38
Stskeepsusually that's handled by Provides:13:38
coderussure, virtual packages and so on13:38
coderusbut not in sailfissh :)13:39
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nh1402how would one draw the contents of fb1 with wayland to the display13:48
Stskeepsyou usually don't13:49
Stskeepsas i said, lipstick uses gralloc and what buffers gralloc give it, and hwcomposer13:49
nh1402but in this case, this seems to be the only way to do it.13:50
Stskeepswhat are you trying to do, lipstick speaking to surface flinger, or?13:51
nh1402It is hack-y but while lipstick is running, if I run these commands"rm -rf /dev/graphics/fb0; mv /dev/graphics/fb1 /dev/graphics/fb0" and then start surfaceflinger, surfaceflinger seemingly draws to fb1 (no visible on the display) while lipstick remains working normally.13:52
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nh1402and can still hear android running in the background when doing the necesary gesture to unlock android.13:54
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nh1402when I lock the phone, and then wake it, then both seem to draw to fb1 as the screen is blank, unless I create a new symlink to /dev/fb0 replacing the old one (although it starts getting glitchy (might be able to fix that by backing up the original and reinstate that when the power button is pressed.))13:56
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nh1402this way a sailfish app can be made to open android apps and have it display to fb113:57
nh1402then afterwards a proper non-hacky solution can be made such as modifying surfaceflinger to draw to the display via a wl_surface or something similar.13:59
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MoritzJTThere's no public big tracker for SailfishOS, is there?14:20
Stskeepsno, together.* though some don't like it for that purpose14:21
urjaman*bug tracker?14:22
urjamani was like how big a tracker you want and what exactly it should be tracking about sfos :P14:22
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[ol]nh1402: If you want to make Android apps work in regular Linux (like Sailfish), join this project: https://github.com/shashlik/shashlik15:16
nh1402that would require adding more android stuff to the phone15:16
nh1402there's already an android rom underneath Sailfish, which is what i've been experimenting with to get Android apps going15:17
nh1402I may fork the Surfaceflinger service from that project though since surfaceflinger draws to wayland15:18
nh1402[ol]: ^15:18
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mvaenskaeis this a list of devices running mer or a list of devices running also Sailfish? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations as SOS is based on mer shouldn't one be able to state that SOS is running on those devices in some form?15:55
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mal-mvaenskae: this is a list of devices running sailfish https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adaptations/libhybris15:57
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mvaenskaethanks mal- :)16:03
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mac___I have "systemd-journald[267]: Received SIGTERM" in my last_kmsg. Will have to find out16:10
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mvaenskaewould also anyone know what sort of SOS the fairphone2 is receiving? the jolla blob-based one or the free version?16:23
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nh1402I'm assuming its the free version16:26
eugenioI've understood the blog post as full SailfishOS once the community port has been stabilized16:28
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Victorhi18:40
Victordoes btrfs fail often to you?18:40
r0kk3rzVictor: define fail18:43
Victorr0kk3rz: corruption of the extent tree18:44
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Victoror data corruption in general18:44
r0kk3rznot that often, not from what ive heard anyway18:44
VictorI see18:44
r0kk3rzthe main issues are metadata related things solved by balancing18:45
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VictorIḿ not overly familiar with btrfs, but seems that while trying to repair it I get btrfs: extent-tree.c:2335: __free_extent: Assertion `!(owner_objectid != btrfs_tree_block_level(leaf, bi))' failed.18:46
Victorand in the little time since I had the phone, is already the second time I need to try to do factory resets or similar18:46
Victor:(18:46
r0kk3rzyeah that doesnt sound good18:46
r0kk3rzi suggest you contact care18:47
VictorI was trying to fix it myself, but if it doesn't work, I'll try that18:47
VictorI'd hate to lose the data in the phone :(18:47
r0kk3rzcare can help you diagnose18:48
Victorthat sounds awesome, thanks!18:49
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MiskiHi :) Is there a way to query the current ambience?20:29
MiskiI have a python script for changing the ambience, but which ambience I want to change to depends on which is currently in use20:30
daitheflu**maybe** some dbus call ?20:31
Miskimaybe, but ambienced doesn't offer any dbus methods that sound like they'd return the current ambience20:33
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Miskiis there some documentation on what the different methods offered by ambienced do?20:35
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daitheflusorry I can't help you any further, I just don't know :/20:36
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Miskidaitheflu: no worries, googling will eventually turn up something :)20:39
daithefluI hope so, you can also try the mailing-list :)20:39
r0kk3rzMiski: i'm not sure there is one20:41
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Miskir0kk3rz: hmm... Do you know if there is a way to get the ring tone volume then?20:44
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r0kk3rzMiski: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Audio#Audio_in_Nemo this might help20:47
Miskir0kk3rz: thanks, I'll take a look :)20:49
r0kk3rzringtone might be handled a bit differently, but presumably it still goes through pulse20:49
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coderusMiski: profiled dbus20:56
coderusdont listed r0kk3rz, he knows nothing about sailfish apis20:56
coderusjsut gives wild giessing20:56
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coderusactive ambience under dconf /desktop/jolla/theme/active_ambience20:58
coderusno idea how would you access dconf from python, probably system call20:58
coderusor process, whatever python is using :)20:58
Miskicoderus: as far as I can figure out, profiled only offers profile_changed signal. I'm not really interested in when the volume changes, rather than what it is when something else happens.20:58
coderusMiski: use profileclient20:59
Miskicoderus: ooh, thanks. dconf sounds very promising :)20:59
coderusmaybe profiled have bad dbus introspection20:59
coderusthere is a lot of methods20:59
eugeniothere is Gio.Settings but I don't know if it works with plain dconf20:59
Miskicoderus: what's profileclient?21:00
coderusMiski: cli tool21:00
Miskicoderus: bash complains command not found. Is it root only or does it need to be installed separately?21:01
coderussure you need to install profileclient package first :)21:01
Miskicoderus: ah, of course. thanks :)21:01
spiiroincoderus: Miski : originally profiled did not support dbus introspection; but it should be there - was added by harmattan maintenance team21:03
coderusyeah you can look into profiled sources dbus header21:03
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Miskiso many options to choose from :)21:05
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spiiroinbah. the introspect data has only the signal21:07
spiiroinshould file a bug for that21:07
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Miskiah, seems I found it. com.nokia.profiled has a method get_profile that seems to return either 'silent' or 'general'. https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_dbus#com.nokia.profiled proved rather useful21:10
Miskicoderus spiiroin: Thanks to both of you :)21:11
spiiroinMiski: btw, what are you trying to do?21:13
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Miskispiiroin: I have a python script for changing the ambience, which I run at set times via Situations. This way my phone goes silent during lectures and such and sounds come back on afterwards.21:17
Miskispiiroin: but the other day my lecture got cancelled and I went to see a movie. I put my phone on silent, but in the middle of the movie the lecture ended and the sounds came back on.21:18
spiiroinMiski: ok, do note that profiled is used as a kind of "slave" for ambienced; in addition to those "silent" and "general" etc there is also "ambience" profile21:18
Miskispiiroin: so I want to add a check that if the phone was already silent when the silent ambience is activated, a ringing ambience won't be restored21:19
MiskiWhat I'd really want to do is attach an ambience to calendar events, but I don't think that's possible atm21:20
spiiroinMiski: ok, switching between "silent" and "ambience" profiles should be okayish. it is how it worked in pre sfos 2.021:21
Miskithere is com.jolla.calendar.ui, but based on introspection it doens't actually offer anything21:21
Miskispiiroin: I'm not gonna change profiles via profiled, I'm just gonna query them before changing the ambience via ambienced21:22
spiiroinMiski: ok21:22
spiiroinAFAIK calendar is not running all the time; the calendar alarms are handled via timed + alarm ui, which can then start calendar if needed21:26
spiiroinin theory at least you can attach commands to alarms (that could then change profile/whatnot), but21:27
spiiroinI'd be suprrised if it can be made to work with the alarms that the calendar app is managing21:28
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spiiroinnothing stopping you from making it via custom alarms though; I had something like that for n900 alarmd+profiled; silent for night; general in the morning; 3 hour silent for movies and such21:30
Miskiwell, if the alarm emits a dbus signal that includes the name of the calendar event for example... But I don't think I'm gonna be that lucky.21:31
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Miskiyeah, there's more than one way of doing it for sure. But I'm kinda hoping Jolla will eventually do more with ambiences and attaching them to calendar events is kind of an obvious usage. So for the time being I'm trying to come up with something simple and easy to put together21:32
spiiroinMiski: the alarms can be configured to send dbus signals, make method calls or run command; but unless calendar is already using something that is visible for everybody it will be difficult to tap into those21:32
coderusin 2.0.0.x you shoulld switch between "silent" and "general"21:33
coderus"ambience" profile is no more used21:33
Miskispiiroin: yeah, that's why I'm not expecting to get that lucky.21:34
spiiroincoderus: ok, seems I have missed that21:35
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coderusspiiroin: thats my experience changes in 1.1.9.28 and 2.0.0.x21:35
coderusyou can trace it yourself by profileclient :)21:35
Miskispiiroin: But I don't like the idea of managing alarms for calendar events myself just to get the ability to change ambiences when calendar events trigger (or their alarms, to be exact). And for time based ambiences Situations works well enough and my schedule is regular enough that time based ambiences work most of the time21:36
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spiiroinMiski: yeah, having ambience change integrated into calendar functionality itself would be nice21:38
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Victordid you ever experience the fact that the factory recovery process fails?21:43
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coderusTest this new stuff! https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/overlay-weather21:59
coderusVictor: yeah, a lot22:00
Victorcoderus: how do you recover the device after that?22:00
Victorseems in my case the obvious option is formatting again the filesystems, but if I do that, then I'll be unable to load any system image22:00
coderusVictor: dd filesystem in recovery shell22:02
Victorand where I'm going to get a new filesystem?22:03
Victorwith all the data in it22:03
coderushttps://thepiratebay.gd/torrent/11635275/Jolla_Factory_Image_to_Reflash_it22:04
Victorthat sounds like an awful idea22:05
coderusping me tomorrow if you wont get seeders22:05
Victorhow can I be sure there is no backdoor in the image?22:05
coderusas you wish, contact jolla care then22:05
coderusthats my images22:05
Victordon't get me wrong, I appreciate it a lot, is just a matter of making sure they're good22:06
coderushttps://coderus.openrepos.net/jollarecovery/HASHSUM.html22:07
coderuscompare after download22:07
coderusand show me world's first sailfishos backdoor, if spot22:10
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