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tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : ping | 07:43 |
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tortoisedoc | wowzers | 07:51 |
tortoisedoc | jolla for 200 € | 07:51 |
tortoisedoc | should I get one more? hmm | 07:51 |
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Armadillo | there was s Slush offer for 169€ some days ago ;) | 07:55 |
tortoisedoc | yes I noticed it :P | 07:56 |
tortoisedoc | unfortunately I did not decide to take that | 07:56 |
tortoisedoc | Im just wondering should I get one or not... | 07:56 |
tortoisedoc | I still need to get my tablet :P | 07:57 |
Armadillo | haha | 07:57 |
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tbr | tortoisedoc: in case you didn't see it, carsten left jolla. | 07:59 |
tortoisedoc | tbr : yes I did | 07:59 |
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tortoisedoc | I wanted to ask him if Mer still has a roadmap in fact :P | 07:59 |
tortoisedoc | but it seems he's still architect on MER, so everything A-OK | 08:00 |
tortoisedoc | tbr : I guess winds of change are blowing @ jolla | 08:00 |
tortoisedoc | werent they supposed to have shareholders meeting today? | 08:00 |
tortoisedoc | or yesterday? | 08:00 |
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urjaman | :( | 08:10 |
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tortoisedoc | urjaman : :/ | 08:10 |
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urjaman | i have to say, i'm still not sure if he's a mobile "linux consultant" or "mobile linux" consultant ... | 08:11 |
urjaman | i mean after a thought i think its the second one but i parsed it as the first one :P | 08:12 |
urjaman | and was like "ok, linux consultant on the move" | 08:12 |
tortoisedoc | :D lolz | 08:13 |
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tortoisedoc | well given he switched I guess thats the case | 08:14 |
tortoisedoc | hopefully he left on good terms | 08:14 |
tortoisedoc | as long as #mer is alive, there is hope | 08:14 |
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daitheflu | Hi | 08:46 |
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coderus | tbr: carsten left jolla - wut? | 08:50 |
tbr | see the scrollback in #jollamobile | 08:50 |
coderus | hm | 08:52 |
coderus | for mee it seems #something is really happening here... | 08:52 |
coderus | should i sold all jolla devices and try something new? | 08:52 |
sakustar | yes | 08:53 |
sakustar | panic mode /execute | 08:53 |
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tortoisedoc | coderus : normal startup evolution | 08:55 |
daitheflu | coderus: I'm wondering the same, and, as of now, the balance is more on the yes side | 08:55 |
tortoisedoc | or, "evolution" | 08:55 |
tortoisedoc | changes are happening | 08:55 |
tortoisedoc | be safe :P | 08:55 |
daitheflu | tortoisedoc: I don't call this change, I call this lost | 08:55 |
lainwir3d | for Jolla maybe | 08:56 |
tortoisedoc | daitheflu : not enough info to be sure 100% | 08:56 |
lainwir3d | but come on, he is free to do what he wants | 08:56 |
lainwir3d | it doesn't mean there is a problem inside Jolla | 08:57 |
tortoisedoc | lainwir3d : jolla is a startup, there is _always_ problems just because of that | 08:57 |
coderus | tortoisedoc: will see | 08:57 |
tortoisedoc | coderus : time will tell | 08:57 |
coderus | how tablets will be delivered | 08:57 |
tortoisedoc | heh yeah | 08:57 |
coderus | and future roadmap released | 08:57 |
lainwir3d | of course, what I mean is that it doesn't mean his leaving has anything to do with it | 08:58 |
lainwir3d | what, doesn't everyone already have their tablets ? :-P | 08:58 |
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* tortoisedoc o/ not yet | 08:59 | |
tortoisedoc | does anyone have sf 1.0 on their phone? | 09:00 |
coderus | i know some peoples | 09:00 |
lainwir3d | who know some peoples | 09:00 |
lainwir3d | that have friends | 09:00 |
lainwir3d | that are distantely related to someone who have sf 1.0 on their phones | 09:01 |
coderus | *i wont upgrade to 2.0, i dont like 2.0, so jolla should make special os version just for me, because i'm not happy* and so on peoples | 09:01 |
tortoisedoc | coderus : D | 09:01 |
lainwir3d | :D | 09:01 |
daitheflu | tortoisedoc: yeah, not 100% sure, that's why I wrote "balance" :) | 09:01 |
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Ingvix | hey, is there any patch to put notifications to the right side instead of left? | 09:20 |
Ingvix | so I could swipe them from right to left | 09:20 |
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Ischwitz | god damn vpn | 09:22 |
urjaman | you're duplicate, but nobody answered (yet( | 09:23 |
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urjaman | *) | 09:24 |
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Ingvix_ | maybe now I can stick for a bit longer | 09:26 |
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Ingvix | couldn't find one from openrepos at least | 09:28 |
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Ingvix | I'd be pleased if someone could make one, if it's possible | 09:29 |
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coderus | Ingvix: no such patch | 09:44 |
Ingvix | So I thought | 09:45 |
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coderus | anyone have compied cron packages? | 10:08 |
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TemeV | coderus: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/temev:/vixie-cron/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/ | 10:09 |
coderus | thx :) | 10:09 |
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coderus | TemeV: your cron have iphb support? | 11:21 |
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TemeV | coderus: I think so. I just built it in obs :) | 11:32 |
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TemeV | coderus: That should be the same cron that Harmattan. The git repo was in gitorious (so doesn't exist anymore) so can't really compare the code | 11:36 |
TemeV | And I haven't read the code | 11:37 |
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coderus | harmattan have noo nemo iphb :) | 11:43 |
tortoisedoc | lolz | 11:43 |
coderus | so it will actually sleep and do nothing :D | 11:43 |
tortoisedoc | whats iphb? | 11:43 |
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coderus | heartbeat | 11:44 |
tortoisedoc | aha | 11:44 |
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dr_gogeta86 | TemeV, we don't have systemd timers ? | 11:48 |
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TemeV | coderus: I'm not actually that familiar how that works. All I know is that it does work :) | 11:50 |
TemeV | dr_gogeta86: systemd timers don't work when the phone is sleeping | 11:50 |
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* dr_gogeta86 who mantain systemd ? | 11:51 | |
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tortoisedoc | so what to expect next from Jolla :) | 12:33 |
tortoisedoc | lets see | 12:33 |
leszek | a new version of sf :P | 12:36 |
tortoisedoc | lolz | 12:43 |
tortoisedoc | i was thinking more in a survival con'text | 12:44 |
leszek | tortoisedoc: what survival ? I mean they are working together with intex on a new jolla phone and helping them to get the software right. Then there are those community projects for porting over SailfishOS to Puzzle and Fairphone | 12:47 |
leszek | would be nice if they could make another deal with a big hardware manufactorer to ship phones with SailfishOS | 12:47 |
ttyp0 | OnePlus Sailfish | 12:47 |
Yaniel | want | 12:48 |
ttyp0 | JollaPlus 3? | 12:48 |
ttyp0 | :) | 12:48 |
leszek | yeah would be nice though I don't like the OnePlus buying experience | 12:48 |
Nokius_work | :D | 12:48 |
ttyp0 | I don't like the bugginess of the device though I suspect it's mostly Android's fault | 12:48 |
Nokius_work | TemeV: I assume there is a way to tget it working | 12:48 |
ttyp0 | with the device referring to OnePlus 2 in this case | 12:49 |
Nokius_work | TemeV: ==> https://together.jolla.com/question/54271/timer-slows-down-when-screen-is-off/ | 12:54 |
TemeV | Nokius_work: get what working? | 12:57 |
TemeV | the Cron works just fine. Systemd timers need to be fixed by someone else :) | 12:57 |
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tortoisedoc | OnePlus SFOS would be awez0ke | 13:06 |
tortoisedoc | *awez0me as well | 13:06 |
dr_gogeta86 | tortoisedoc, SFOS need to be developed ... | 13:07 |
tortoisedoc | indeed | 13:07 |
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Nokius_work | tortoisedoc: there is an image for the 1+1 but it needs some love check with #sailfishos-porters | 14:02 |
Nokius_work | TemeV: did checked it sorry | 14:03 |
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zoldyck | hi, search isn't working in Yandex.Store here | 14:18 |
zoldyck | do you know any work-around? | 14:18 |
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Nokius_work | zoldyck: in the apk from the Jolla store? | 14:34 |
zoldyck | Nokius_work: yes | 14:35 |
zoldyck | there are a few comments about this problem in comments there | 14:35 |
Nokius_work | so 'known' issue :( | 14:36 |
Nokius_work | mh not on tjc :s | 14:38 |
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coderus | zoldyck: install other store | 15:03 |
coderus | google or amazon :) | 15:03 |
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Nokius_work | :D | 15:11 |
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Ingvix | if I'm root user and I execute a bash file that isn't in root, does it execute it from root or from the folder where the bash file is? | 15:36 |
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Ingvix | I mean the command in the bash file | 15:36 |
coderus | it executes with uid | 15:37 |
coderus | not eid | 15:37 |
Ingvix | and I don't know what those are | 15:38 |
coderus | uid is current user | 15:38 |
coderus | eid is effective user | 15:38 |
Ingvix | okay | 15:38 |
Ingvix | so the command is executed as root user? | 15:38 |
coderus | sure | 15:38 |
Ingvix | okay | 15:38 |
Ingvix | thanks | 15:39 |
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Ingvix | why does it say this? bash: ./home/nemo/samba.sh: No such file or directory | 15:41 |
Ingvix | there is such file | 15:42 |
fledermaus | ./home ← are you in / when you issue the command? | 15:43 |
Ingvix | uh, I'm in root | 15:43 |
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fledermaus | and what's the #! line in that file? | 15:43 |
Ingvix | #!/bin/bash | 15:44 |
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fledermaus | does that exist? | 15:44 |
Ingvix | um | 15:44 |
Ingvix | I need to check | 15:44 |
Ingvix | yes it does | 15:45 |
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ttyp0 | you're in root as in / or as in /root? ;) | 15:52 |
ttyp0 | also, what are the folder permissions for /home and /home/nemo? (should be readable but worth checking) | 15:52 |
Ingvix | uh, the root that I get from devel-su | 15:53 |
fledermaus | what. directory. are. you. in. :) | 15:53 |
fledermaus | what is the output of pwd | 15:53 |
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fledermaus | "./home/nemo/samba.sh" means look in home/nemo/samba.sh _starting from where I am now_ and execute that file. | 15:55 |
ttyp0 | if he launches terminal and just says devel-su, then /home/nemo and the command should be ./samba.sh | 15:55 |
Ingvix | okay | 15:55 |
fledermaus | . /home/nemo/samba.sh means _load_ (source) the absolute path /home/nemo/samba.sh in my current shell. | 15:56 |
ttyp0 | then it's* | 15:56 |
fledermaus | so you need know - are you trying to source (load) that file, or are you trying to execute it? | 15:56 |
fledermaus | because the difference it subtle but may be important. | 15:56 |
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ttyp0 | pwd is your friend like fledermaus said :) | 15:57 |
fledermaus | the fact that it has a shebang line (#!) indicates you probably want to execute it, not source it. | 15:57 |
fledermaus | so given what ttyp0 said it's either ./samba.sh _or_ /home/nemo/samba.sh | 15:58 |
fledermaus | but not ./home/nemo/samba.sh | 15:58 |
Ingvix | Now I'm wondering how do I exit vi | 15:59 |
Ingvix | lol | 15:59 |
fledermaus | :q! | 15:59 |
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Ingvix | how do I save the file before that? | 16:00 |
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fledermaus | :wq | 16:01 |
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Ingvix | okay, yea I was in /home/nemo so thanks | 16:04 |
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Ingvix | now it says this : No such file or directory: #!/bin/bash | 16:12 |
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Ingvix | and now I am in / | 16:14 |
twaapo | basic linux cli guides would help a LOT here | 16:15 |
twaapo | it takes like 15minutes to grasp the basics with good guides | 16:15 |
Ingvix | okay | 16:15 |
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Ingvix | to the good guides then | 16:15 |
twaapo | :) | 16:16 |
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Ingvix | uh, even tho is says that there's no #!/bin/bash it executes the command | 16:21 |
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twaapo | hooray? | 16:24 |
Ingvix | I guess? Just wondering why does it say so | 16:25 |
twaapo | deeper understanding requires much more guides :p | 16:25 |
Ingvix | well okay then | 16:26 |
Ingvix | let it be | 16:26 |
Ingvix | as long as it works | 16:26 |
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twaapo | well maybe not that much more, a little more guides | 16:27 |
twaapo | thats not jolla specific either, will help you with any linux | 16:28 |
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Ingvix | now I got it to work fine | 17:00 |
Ingvix | the feeling of success | 17:00 |
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sailfish | Hi! | 17:14 |
sailfish | I hava a problem | 17:15 |
sailfish | heve, sorry | 17:15 |
sailfish | have* | 17:15 |
sailfish | I get error when compile sailfish-office in last sdk | 17:16 |
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tortoisedoc | blam! | 17:18 |
tortoisedoc | :PO | 17:18 |
sailfish | Who can help me? | 17:18 |
tortoisedoc | sailfish : for what | 17:18 |
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sailfish | I get error when compile sailfish-office in last sdk | 17:19 |
tortoisedoc | w0t error | 17:19 |
sailfish | [ 64%] Built target sailfishofficepdfplugin_automoc | 17:19 |
sailfish | Scanning dependencies of target sailfishofficepdfplugin | 17:19 |
sailfish | [ 68%] Building CXX object pdf/CMakeFiles/sailfishofficepdfplugin.dir/sailfishofficepdfplugin.cpp.o | 17:19 |
sailfish | [ 72%] Building CXX object pdf/CMakeFiles/sailfishofficepdfplugin.dir/pdfdocument.cpp.o | 17:19 |
sailfish | [ 76%] Building CXX object pdf/CMakeFiles/sailfishofficepdfplugin.dir/pdfrenderthread.cpp.o | 17:19 |
sailfish | [ 80%] Building CXX object pdf/CMakeFiles/sailfishofficepdfplugin.dir/pdfjob.cpp.o | 17:19 |
sailfish | /home/mersdk/sailfish-office/pdf/pdfjob.cpp: In member function 'virtual void SearchDocumentJob::run()': | 17:19 |
sailfish | /home/mersdk/sailfish-office/pdf/pdfjob.cpp:97:30: error: 'IgnoreCase' is not a member of 'Poppler::Page' | 17:19 |
sailfish | Poppler::Page::IgnoreCase); | 17:19 |
sailfish | ^ | 17:19 |
sailfish | /home/mersdk/sailfish-office/pdf/pdfjob.cpp:107:34: error: 'IgnoreCase' is not a member of 'Poppler::Page' | 17:19 |
sailfish | Poppler::Page::IgnoreCase); | 17:19 |
sailfish | ^ | 17:19 |
sailfish | make[2]: *** [pdf/CMakeFiles/sailfishofficepdfplugin.dir/pdfjob.cpp.o] Error 1 | 17:19 |
Armadillo | ..... | 17:19 |
sailfish | I use master branch | 17:20 |
Armadillo | http://pastebin.com/ | 17:20 |
kimmoli | pastebin, gitst... | 17:20 |
sailfish | Ok | 17:20 |
tortoisedoc | too late :P | 17:20 |
tortoisedoc | it actually looks almost better here | 17:20 |
tortoisedoc | first 2c : IgnoreCase is private | 17:20 |
tortoisedoc | second 2c : the function is gone | 17:21 |
sailfish | http://pastebin.com/SZA9DTna | 17:21 |
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sailfish | tortoisedoc : What do you think? | 17:24 |
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tortoisedoc | can you share header file of Poppler::Page? | 17:25 |
tortoisedoc | lets see if i can find it | 17:26 |
sailfish | Where is he located? | 17:26 |
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tortoisedoc | seems like there is nothing (at least in nemomobile) | 17:28 |
tortoisedoc | https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=Poppler%3A%3APage&type=Code | 17:28 |
tortoisedoc | aaah prkele | 17:28 |
tortoisedoc | its office :P | 17:28 |
tortoisedoc | sorry | 17:28 |
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sailfish | The architecture armv7hl is not going to | 17:41 |
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sailfish | http://pastebin.com/EqGz6dZr | 17:43 |
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tortoisedoc | grumble | 18:01 |
tortoisedoc | how to specify signals in dbus xml? | 18:02 |
tortoisedoc | ah | 18:02 |
tortoisedoc | signal instead of method | 18:09 |
tortoisedoc | there | 18:09 |
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sailfish | Where to get the package sailfish-office-all-translations? | 18:26 |
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coderus | in jolla apps repo | 18:33 |
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Ingvix | Can bash scripts be executed else than the command line in sailfish? | 22:08 |
M4rtinK | sure | 22:09 |
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M4rtinK | you can bind it to icons if you add a desktop file | 22:09 |
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M4rtinK | run them from systemd units, etc. | 22:09 |
Ingvix | oh, cool | 22:09 |
Ingvix | gotta look into that tomorrow | 22:10 |
Ingvix | what's systemmd unit tho? | 22:11 |
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fledermaus | Ingvix: a configuration file that sets up how a service or one-shot process is to be carried out and monitored for success or failure, either at startup or when explicitly invoked. | 22:12 |
M4rtinK | if you ever did something with init scripts, this is what replaced them ;-) | 22:13 |
Ingvix | I didn't :D | 22:13 |
r0kk3rz | Ingvix: from a windows perspective, its a service configuration file | 22:14 |
M4rtinK | and it's pretty powerful | 22:14 |
Ingvix | yea, I get in in a way | 22:14 |
M4rtinK | & there is a related logging system called journal integrated with it | 22:14 |
r0kk3rz | they're reasonably self explanatory really | 22:14 |
fledermaus | although it does use fuGlyCaPpedkeYwordsAstheAuThorhasnoTaste | 22:14 |
M4rtinK | so you can easily get log output just from your unit and much more :) | 22:15 |
r0kk3rz | yes all of the freedesktop stuff seems to have really long ugly names | 22:15 |
r0kk3rz | wait until you see dbus | 22:15 |
Ingvix | I think I try to stick with the icon thing for now | 22:16 |
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r0kk3rz | Ingvix: desktop files are fairly similar to unit files really | 22:18 |
r0kk3rz | same idea, just different target usecases | 22:18 |
fledermaus | they're much simpler. | 22:18 |
fledermaus | they just describe how to launch and a bit of metadata. not all the other stuff that unit files do | 22:19 |
r0kk3rz | at a simple level yeah, but theres loads of other stuff in desktop files too | 22:19 |
M4rtinK | sure, but both can get pretty complex | 22:19 |
Ingvix | I'm wondering what should I do as my script needs an user input | 22:20 |
r0kk3rz | like mimetypes, and dbus invokation | 22:20 |
Ingvix | it can't just run in the background | 22:20 |
M4rtinK | especially once you start with all the additional fields, categories and l10n | 22:20 |
M4rtinK | then it can get monstrous :) | 22:20 |
r0kk3rz | Ingvix: what kind of input? | 22:20 |
M4rtinK | you can start terminal & run the script in it | 22:20 |
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Ingvix | r0kk3rz, 1,2 or 3 and press enter, as the bash file is now | 22:21 |
r0kk3rz | Ingvix: you could create 3 desktop files, with inputs 1, 2 or 3 | 22:21 |
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r0kk3rz | or what M4rtinK said, up to you | 22:22 |
Ingvix | wouldn't that make 3 different icons then? | 22:22 |
r0kk3rz | correct | 22:22 |
Ingvix | can I insert a desktop file that launches terminal and the batch in it? | 22:23 |
Ingvix | I guess I can | 22:23 |
Ingvix | a bit stupid question | 22:23 |
M4rtinK | do we have something like that thing that can spawn dialogs from shell scripts ? | 22:23 |
M4rtinK | would be ideal for this usecase | 22:24 |
Ingvix | yes it would | 22:24 |
r0kk3rz | wouldnt be too hard to whip up really | 22:25 |
M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: yep | 22:26 |
M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: but using/adapting something existing would be even better :) | 22:26 |
r0kk3rz | should such a thing exist, sure | 22:27 |
Ingvix | what also would be nice if someone made a patch to put the notification to the right side | 22:27 |
r0kk3rz | Ingvix: sounds tjc worthy, if its not already there | 22:28 |
Ingvix | its not | 22:28 |
Ingvix | and what's tjc | 22:28 |
M4rtinK | together.jolla.com | 22:28 |
Ingvix | oh okay | 22:28 |
M4rtinK | that Jolla themed Askbot thing | 22:29 |
M4rtinK | BTW, there is also: TMO = talk.maemo.org | 22:29 |
Ingvix | I could request it there | 22:29 |
M4rtinK | a proper forum for not only Jolla stuff :) | 22:29 |
r0kk3rz | yeah its a weird thing this community does with abbreviating urls | 22:29 |
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M4rtinK | there was also TMC (talk.meego.com) in the MeeGo experiment days :) | 22:30 |
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dr_gogeta86 | M4rtinK: did you know rh initiative about acquisitions? | 22:31 |
M4rtinK | dr_gogeta86: ? | 22:31 |
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dr_gogeta86 | seen time ago in mojo | 22:32 |
dr_gogeta86 | at this point ... why rh don't embrace sfos? | 22:33 |
M4rtinK | you mean Sailfish ? | 22:34 |
r0kk3rz | wouldnt rh do their own thing, using kde plasma active or something? | 22:36 |
r0kk3rz | surely gnome is going to join the mobile revolution at some point | 22:36 |
jpakkane | GTK in its current state is not really mobile UI friendly. | 22:37 |
M4rtinK | the Gnome guys are working on making Gnome more touch friendly: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/Touchscreen | 22:37 |
M4rtinK | https://developer.gnome.org/hig/stable/pointer-and-touch-input.html.en | 22:37 |
M4rtinK | jpakkane: I think it is just as bad for mobile usage as everywhere else ;-) | 22:38 |
M4rtinK | as for Red Hat, there is this: http://www.feedhenry.com/mobile-application-platform/ | 22:39 |
jpakkane | I'll grant you that. But it's even less nice on mobile. | 22:39 |
M4rtinK | (note the header) | 22:39 |
M4rtinK | jpakkane: I've talked with a Gnome dev recently and they at least want to add something like property bindings | 22:40 |
M4rtinK | jpakkane: via CSS IIRC | 22:40 |
Ingvix | I put it up to the jolla together | 22:40 |
Ingvix | I hope it gets done | 22:40 |
M4rtinK | also there ar plans for a GTK scene graphs: https://www.bassi.io/articles/2014/07/29/guadec-2014-gsk/ | 22:41 |
M4rtinK | that could improve things | 22:41 |
Ingvix | I have no idea what's that about and I have no motivation to read that wall of text | 22:42 |
jpakkane | GTK desperately needs more devs, too bad they have chosen to (almost) completely ignore win + osx. Proper cross platformness would bring both users and devs. | 22:42 |
M4rtinK | I can say from my experience that even on Linux there are still serious issues | 22:43 |
jpakkane | => more devs needed. | 22:44 |
M4rtinK | so I would say first fix stuff on Linux before expanding further with not enough manpower | 22:44 |
M4rtinK | still, there are some very nice things in the GTK/GObject world | 22:45 |
M4rtinK | such as the *really nice* GObject introspection (automatically generated bindings for free!) | 22:46 |
M4rtinK | or GTK inspector (runtime app debugging FTW!) | 22:46 |
M4rtinK | but all that gets ruined at regular basis due to showstopper bugs... | 22:46 |
eugenio | gobject-introspection rocks | 22:47 |
M4rtinK | eugenio: you can even use it without GObjects for simple stuff :) | 22:47 |
Ingvix | this is me trying to understand this conversation http://static.naamapalmu.com/files/lh/medium/rmxp1o00.gif | 22:48 |
Ingvix | can't quite grasp it | 22:48 |
eugenio | never tried that, but not surprised | 22:48 |
Ingvix | not that it matters | 22:48 |
Ingvix | I go to sleep | 22:48 |
Ingvix | bye | 22:48 |
M4rtinK | night :) | 22:49 |
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