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| svip | I know this channel is about the software, but would it be possible to build a 'The Other Half' backcover that could contain a secondary SIM-card? | 00:39 |
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| coderus | svip: i doubt i2c speed can afford this | 00:40 |
| svip | I have honestly have little idea how the system works and how fast the connectors are, so I was just curious. | 00:41 |
| svip | I was looking up the Fairphone 2, and it appears to have Dual SIM slots. | 00:43 |
| svip | Which is only real complaint about the Jolla hardware. | 00:43 |
| svip | *my | 00:43 |
| svip | But the Fairphone is also *quite* expensive at 535 euros and doesn't look particularly good. | 00:45 |
| coderus | but well | 00:47 |
| coderus | i dont believe nobody created virtualsim card plugin/whatever for ofono | 00:48 |
| coderus | or tell me soc wont allow radio module to work without real sim card | 00:49 |
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| entil | $ merssh deploy --sdk | 06:51 |
| entil | Invalid command arguments | 06:51 |
| entil | I get like three google hits for this :D | 06:52 |
| entil | anyone ever deployed from the command line, without using the qtcreator gui? and had it work? | 06:52 |
| locusf | mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl deploy --sdk | 06:52 |
| locusf | oh yeah and -d before deploy to specify device | 06:53 |
| entil | where's all that coming from? qtcreator says 08:47:25: Starting: "/home/mjt/.config/SailfishBeta7/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-i486/deploy" --sdk | 06:54 |
| locusf | its a wrapper script for mb2 | 06:54 |
| entil | that deploy? here it ends in exec "/home/mjt/SailfishOS/bin/merssh" deploy ${ARGUMENTS} | 06:54 |
| entil | no mb2 | 06:54 |
| locusf | coderus: there is phonesim | 06:55 |
| locusf | entil: something like | 06:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | morning | 06:56 |
| locusf | mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -d "Jolla" deploy --sdk | 06:56 |
| locusf | dr_gogeta86: morning | 06:56 |
| entil | well, I looked under ~/SailfishOS/ and ~/.config/SailfishOS/ and there was no mb2 executable, so is it a command for merssh? because merssh mb2 ... says Command not found | 06:57 |
| locusf | just do a normal ssh session to MerSDK VM | 06:57 |
| locusf | and then navigate to your project, then run that mb2 | 06:58 |
| entil | that's the one under ~/share/ on the sdk, right? | 06:59 |
| entil | seems like it would be, Fatal: 'Jolla' not found in devices.xml | 07:01 |
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| locusf | entil: do you have a real device to eploy to? | 07:06 |
| locusf | entil: check its name inside qt creator | 07:06 |
| entil | yeah found, I'm deploying to the emulator | 07:06 |
| locusf | entil: ok then you ned the i486 target | 07:07 |
| entil | sure, I'm all over that | 07:07 |
| entil | lemme show you something, just a sec | 07:07 |
| locusf | cool good luck | 07:07 |
| entil | locusf: http://paste.debian.net/333737/ | 07:09 |
| entil | locusf: total work in progress | 07:09 |
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| entil | that blog post I'm referring to simply calls merssh deploy --sdk | 07:11 |
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| entil | I must have missed something there :) | 07:11 |
| zGrr | moin :) | 07:12 |
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| entil | executing remotely is not all that ok | 07:28 |
| entil | sdk-ssh mb2 -- -t $MER_SSH_TARGET_NAME -d "SailfishOS Emulator" -p $MER_SDK_PROJECT_PATH deploy --sdk | 07:28 |
| entil | with or without any combination of "-- " in there | 07:28 |
| Ingvix | anyone got an idea what could make everything in /home/nemo so hard to load that filecase can't even start and cargo dock takes about a minute to get to that folder | 07:29 |
| Ingvix | and navigating folders inside home does also take a while to load | 07:29 |
| Ingvix | if I restart my phone its fast again | 07:30 |
| entil | look at top or something | 07:30 |
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| Ingvix | top? | 07:30 |
| entil | ssh into the phone and do top -d1 | 07:31 |
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| Ingvix | is like putty an ssh client then? | 07:33 |
| entil | ytf won't this deploy | 07:33 |
| entil | yeah and you probably need developer mode on as well | 07:33 |
| Ingvix | yea okay | 07:33 |
| Ingvix | okay I'm not really super what am I suppose look for here | 07:37 |
| entil | anything eating IO | 07:37 |
| coderus | Ingvix: something like samba share? :D | 07:37 |
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| Ingvix | okay I don't know what's IO | 07:41 |
| entil | read man top or something | 07:44 |
| entil | wonder how the hell the merssh wrapper for deploy can work through qtcreator when it doesn't on the cli.. I have the same variables and everything, even added strace -viTf -s 128 to the wrapper and get all the strace in qtcreator (and bash) but in bash it doesn't work | 07:46 |
| entil | nor does it work going into the sdk | 07:46 |
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| Ingvix | yea but what is IO | 07:48 |
| entil | input/output | 07:48 |
| Ingvix | oh okay | 07:48 |
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| Ingvix | it seems to be the samba shares | 07:56 |
| Ingvix | I unmounted them and all is working nicely | 07:57 |
| entil | you have samba shares on the phone? | 07:57 |
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| Ingvix | yes | 07:58 |
| coderus | mounts, not shares | 07:58 |
| Ingvix | oh, yes | 07:58 |
| entil | that's what I meant.. sounds scary connectivity-wise | 07:58 |
| coderus | why? cifs utils should hanle that. | 07:59 |
| coderus | but sure, ideally you should mount it only when using :) | 07:59 |
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| Ingvix | once I restarted them the cargo docks works fine tho | 08:00 |
| entil | there's a lot of things that "should" work, but I get hangs at home if I reboot the raspberry pi and generally I don't trust most things | 08:00 |
| entil | and his questions sound like it's not perfect | 08:00 |
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| Ingvix | what was the command to see the shares available for mounting? | 08:02 |
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| Ingvix | or maybe I just study bit about samba | 08:03 |
| entil | yay for the diffing of environments, seems that MER_SSH_DEVICE_NAME was somehow unset for me | 08:04 |
| tortoisedoc | bah | 08:07 |
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| coderus | Ingvix: i showed you at the first day | 08:08 |
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| tortoisedoc | wow | 08:08 |
| tortoisedoc | samba shares on a phone that's ... really hardcore :D | 08:08 |
| coderus | why? like any other network shares | 08:10 |
| Ingvix | coderus, I know but I forgot | 08:12 |
| tortoisedoc | ok but on your phone? | 08:12 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 08:12 |
| tortoisedoc | well, i guess why not | 08:13 |
| tortoisedoc | has anyone tried to compile strongswan on jphone | 08:13 |
| tortoisedoc | (that is not on the phone :P ) | 08:13 |
| Ingvix | if you have a large library of files that you like to use on your phone at your home | 08:14 |
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| coderus | smbclient -L ip_address -U your_user_name | 08:18 |
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| tortoisedoc | well, here it goes.. | 08:22 |
| tortoisedoc | http://www.aamulehti.fi/Kotimaa/1195006777553/artikkeli/jolla+ajautunut+talousvaikeuksiin+yli+puolet+henkilostosta+lomautetaan.html | 08:22 |
| tortoisedoc | Jolla lays off 50% of workforce | 08:22 |
| tortoisedoc | :/ feel sorry for guys who lost their jobs | 08:22 |
| locusf | not laid off | 08:23 |
| locusf | temporary leave | 08:23 |
| locusf | err forced leave | 08:24 |
| tortoisedoc | aha | 08:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | locusf : i thought it translates also as "laid off"? | 08:30 |
| locusf | tortoisedoc: erottaa/saada potkut is laid off | 08:32 |
| locusf | lomauttaa == forced leave | 08:32 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: the thing is that there is a theoretical possibility of reinstatement, which most people won't understand if you say "laid off" | 08:32 |
| tbr | or furlough as someone pointed out | 08:32 |
| tortoisedoc | furlough? | 08:32 |
| tortoisedoc | neverheard | 08:32 |
| tbr | yeah, that's why I didn't use it on reddit | 08:32 |
| tortoisedoc | so you mean they park these 50% with employment but without salary? | 08:33 |
| tbr | AFAIU it's a mostly US term for pretty much the same thing | 08:33 |
| tbr | correct | 08:33 |
| tortoisedoc | do they have possibilities to search for other jobs? | 08:33 |
| tbr | yeah, I think the legal situation is that you can find a different job | 08:34 |
| tbr | it's all in this crazy finnish YT thing | 08:34 |
| tbr | it's complicated | 08:34 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 08:34 |
| entil | it's always possible to quit your job, even in finland | 08:34 |
| tortoisedoc | been through two already myself :P | 08:34 |
| entil | employment law is about as fascist as you can imagine but quitting is still allowed | 08:34 |
| * tbr has been through a few, but the last one hit me | 08:34 | |
| tortoisedoc | I got through one, the last one I skipped by quitting day before announcements :P | 08:35 |
| tortoisedoc | so what's left now? | 08:36 |
| tortoisedoc | sfos? | 08:36 |
| locusf | its just that this thing called karenssi so quitting is hard | 08:36 |
| tortoisedoc | karenssi? | 08:36 |
| tortoisedoc | as in= | 08:36 |
| entil | you're not eligible for welfare if you quit | 08:37 |
| entil | for a while, that is | 08:37 |
| entil | so having savings makes it easier, but you can look for a new job and not require welfare | 08:37 |
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| tortoisedoc | it depends on the severance package you have dealt out when you got hired ;) | 08:38 |
| entil | you mean fired? | 08:38 |
| entil | if you quit, you don't get severance | 08:38 |
| entil | if you're fired, you may get severance depending on your contract | 08:39 |
| tortoisedoc | true | 08:39 |
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| tortoisedoc | (as in, yes, if you are fired) | 08:39 |
| tortoisedoc | of course they will pay you outstanding holidays, etc | 08:39 |
| entil | afaik it's possible for a company to go so bankrupt they simply can't afford to, but I dunno | 08:40 |
| entil | knowing what kind of country finland is it's probably taxpayers who end up paying in that case | 08:40 |
| tortoisedoc | entil : I guess it also depends on when you qui | 08:41 |
| tortoisedoc | *quit | 08:41 |
| tortoisedoc | as in, if you do before they make any announcement about bankrupcy, they *have* to pay you | 08:41 |
| tortoisedoc | entil : in finland, personal bankrupcy does not exist | 08:42 |
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| tortoisedoc | so you pay down to the last $c :P | 08:42 |
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| tortoisedoc | or better €c | 08:42 |
| entil | there's a ton of considerations, but don't expect severance from a company going belly-up, and don't quit (like almost ever) unless you have your next job figured out | 08:43 |
| tortoisedoc | entil: now you are talking basics | 08:43 |
| entil | the jolla guys don't end up paying anything if they actually went bankrupt, so they're protected, but if a jolla employee starts taking on unmanageable debt, real american style, and end up unemployed, they can't file for bankruptcy but instead end up in severe trouble | 08:44 |
| entil | tortoisedoc: there's nothing but basics in this situation | 08:44 |
| tortoisedoc | absolutely | 08:44 |
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| tortoisedoc | entil : which are the jolla guys and which are the jolla employees? | 08:45 |
| tortoisedoc | wheres the difference? | 08:45 |
| entil | by jolla guys I meant the founders and management | 08:45 |
| TemeV | entil: if they have backed some loan for Jolla with their own property, then they have to pay | 08:46 |
| entil | sure | 08:46 |
| tortoisedoc | loans wont go away | 08:46 |
| entil | but that's a crazy thing to do | 08:46 |
| tortoisedoc | entil , thats how it works :D | 08:46 |
| TemeV | That's quite common in small startups | 08:46 |
| TemeV | Because there is no other way to get money | 08:47 |
| tortoisedoc | you get cash either from angel investors, or you become your own investor | 08:47 |
| entil | maybe in the case of a startup, and jolla is essentially a startup, but they had severances from nokia and like two rounds of investment and an igg campaign | 08:47 |
| tortoisedoc | entil : @ 100 people / month you burn fast | 08:47 |
| tortoisedoc | I was thinking the same; they raised 10 M last december | 08:47 |
| entil | yeah, but you don't have enough people in 100 people to extend your runway significantly unless you take completely irresponsible personal loans | 08:47 |
| tortoisedoc | barely enough to get to november this year I guess.. | 08:47 |
| entil | you get to have that one guy in the corner for one month longer | 08:48 |
| tortoisedoc | what you mean by runway? | 08:48 |
| entil | the term to describe when the company has to lift off and be viable by itself | 08:48 |
| entil | or you crash into the atc tower and make the news | 08:48 |
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| entil | otoh for a product delivery taking loans is better, because anything is cheaper than labor in finland | 08:49 |
| tortoisedoc | lol, for one second I read you *cash* into the atc tower | 08:49 |
| entil | but that's essentially what they did with the igg campaign and taking loans for something pre-sold will never pay itself back, so that goes into the irresponsible category | 08:50 |
| entil | that'd be the atm tower :D | 08:50 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 08:50 |
| daitheflu | hi guys | 08:50 |
| tortoisedoc | paradoxally, the tablet is still the best shot i guess | 08:50 |
| tortoisedoc | or I think | 08:50 |
| tortoisedoc | should have started with that instead of the phone :D | 08:50 |
| tortoisedoc | (kidding) | 08:51 |
| entil | we better pray to the devil that intex doesn't get too worried about this and that phone gets released | 08:51 |
| tortoisedoc | it might be related | 08:52 |
| tortoisedoc | as in, intex requiring jolla to stabilize in order to be able to release the phone | 08:52 |
| tortoisedoc | but thats conjectures | 08:52 |
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| tortoisedoc | so | 08:52 |
| entil | yeah, speculation is anti-useful | 08:52 |
| tortoisedoc | btw, is there a reddit client for sfos | 08:54 |
| daitheflu | sounds like I missed an important news, someone kind enough to sum it up for me ? | 08:54 |
| tortoisedoc | daitheflu : sit down | 08:54 |
| tortoisedoc | jolla puts 50% of workforce on forced leave | 08:54 |
| tortoisedoc | to save money | 08:55 |
| tortoisedoc | http://www.aamulehti.fi/Kotimaa/1195006777553/artikkeli/jolla+ajautunut+talousvaikeuksiin+yli+puolet+henkilostosta+lomautetaan.html <- in finnish | 08:55 |
| daitheflu | WTF | 08:55 |
| tortoisedoc | expected | 08:55 |
| tortoisedoc | (not the WTF, jolla's actions) | 08:55 |
| daitheflu | yep, but still sad | 08:56 |
| tortoisedoc | that, I can only agree | 08:56 |
| locusf | its updated | 08:56 |
| tortoisedoc | i guess it's the consequence of the split between hw and sw | 08:56 |
| tortoisedoc | hm | 08:58 |
| tortoisedoc | locusf: they filed for bancrupcy for 10K? | 08:58 |
| daitheflu | f*ck | 08:58 |
| tortoisedoc | daitheflu: hold your horses, my finnish is not so good so i have to ask locusf :P | 08:59 |
| entil | that's not what it says | 09:00 |
| tortoisedoc | daitheflu : switch over to talk.maemo.org, there is more up-to-date info | 09:00 |
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| tortoisedoc | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1488526#post1488526 | 09:00 |
| entil | it says that they've been marked for unpaid invoices with a total worth of 10k | 09:00 |
| locusf | yeah not bankcrupcy | 09:00 |
| tortoisedoc | ah | 09:00 |
| locusf | yeh | 09:00 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks for correcting :) | 09:00 |
| locusf | tmo lol | 09:00 |
| entil | hrmph, next thing to figure out is how qtcreator captures debugging from whatever I deploy | 09:02 |
| entil | got the deployments going | 09:02 |
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| daitheflu | well, not paying invoices generally means lack of cash | 09:04 |
| daitheflu | since they sell like nothing, the only escape is to get cash from investors | 09:04 |
| TemeV | the article also says those 10k have been paid except for one 500€ bill | 09:04 |
| entil | it's a well-known secret every startup pays pension insurances late | 09:05 |
| daitheflu | at least we know what's going on now | 09:05 |
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| entil | anyone happen to have a clue how to capture debug from running apps on the emulator without using qtcreator? or how qtcreator does that? | 09:13 |
| tortoisedoc | entil : it runs gdb on your machine | 09:13 |
| tortoisedoc | via tcp / ip :P | 09:13 |
| SfietKonstantinW | entil: ssh and gdb on your emulator ? | 09:13 |
| entil | really gdb? hmm | 09:13 |
| entil | [nemo@SailfishEmul ~]$ ps faxuw | grep gdb | 09:14 |
| entil | nemo 9656 0.0 0.0 2728 668 pts/1 S+ 11:14 0:00 \_ grep gdb | 09:14 |
| merbot` | entil: Error: Error getting Nemo bug #9656: InvalidBugId | 09:14 |
| tortoisedoc | entil : yes, qtcreator relies on gdb | 09:14 |
| entil | not seeing it :( | 09:15 |
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| Ingvix | should meecast daemon work on 2.0.0.10? | 09:17 |
| tortoisedoc | entil : pgrep gdbserver | 09:17 |
| tortoisedoc | entil : what's your host os | 09:18 |
| entil | I'm on linux | 09:18 |
| entil | pgrep gdbserver returns nothing on either my desktop or the emulator | 09:18 |
| entil | despite that I see debugs; [D] OwnCloudBrowser::remove:197 - Removing "/Jolla/" | 09:18 |
| tortoisedoc | hm | 09:19 |
| tortoisedoc | which linux | 09:19 |
| tortoisedoc | and are you root or not? | 09:19 |
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| entil | debian stable | 09:19 |
| entil | not root | 09:19 |
| tortoisedoc | one sec | 09:19 |
| tortoisedoc | im on debian 8 as well | 09:19 |
| tortoisedoc | let me fire up sdk and see | 09:20 |
| entil | thanks :) | 09:20 |
| tortoisedoc | entil : indeed, for me debugging from SFOS sdk starts a gdb instance on my host | 09:21 |
| tortoisedoc | and a gdbserver on my device | 09:22 |
| entil | that makes no sense, which version of the sdk ide? | 09:22 |
| entil | I have qt creator 3.5.0 (sailfishos) from revision d2fe010 | 09:22 |
| tortoisedoc | not the latest one, but the previous one | 09:22 |
| tortoisedoc | 3.1.2 (sfos) + 22c33e9-jolla | 09:23 |
| entil | crap | 09:23 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 09:23 |
| entil | maybe they figured out another way of doing this | 09:23 |
| tortoisedoc | no | 09:23 |
| tortoisedoc | highly unlikely | 09:23 |
| tortoisedoc | check release notes of sdk | 09:23 |
| tortoisedoc | it would be mentioned in there | 09:23 |
| entil | not mentioned in the release notes | 09:25 |
| entil | too bad anyone at jolla probably has a lot more on their mind that this kind of totally unsupported crap :D | 09:25 |
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| entil | https://gist.github.com/mjtorn/5b713379897b733b0bc0 made the environment script available, though | 10:03 |
| frinring | hi. Silica TextField seems to not have an accepted() signal, other than the QtQuick Control one. how does one catch if the user finishes input? | 10:05 |
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| coderus | frinring: accepted indicated state of validator | 10:08 |
| coderus | end of user input is probably onFocusChanged: if (!focus) | 10:09 |
| coderus | or in case you want to capture enter check EnterKey docs | 10:10 |
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| frinring | coderus: what I want is getting a signal if the enter key is pressed, yes. focus could also change if a user sets it somewhere else, would be too fragile in my case | 10:13 |
| frinring | ah, I see, there is a component EnterKey, looking, thanks for the hint | 10:13 |
| frinring | seems something around EnterKey.onClicked: in the TextField should get me closer to what I want, good | 10:15 |
| leszek | oO Jolla in financial crisis firing half of the staff. Sounds like the boat is really sinking | 10:17 |
| leszek | and those who left early must have known about it | 10:18 |
| ttyp0 | not firing | 10:18 |
| ttyp0 | they're going on a forced, unpaid vacation | 10:18 |
| ttyp0 | furlough, or something, not sure if there's an exact translation for it in English | 10:20 |
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| ttyp0 | has no effect on your contract | 10:21 |
| tortoisedoc | ttyp0 : i'd take it as a "try your luck elsewhere" | 10:21 |
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| ttyp0 | it's quite common in some business areas, seasonal stuff etc | 10:22 |
| leszek | ttyp0: ah ok. Still strange. I know about shortening working hours in a crisis. But unpaid vacation sounds like bigger problem | 10:22 |
| ttyp0 | it's a better option for a company than going bankrupt | 10:22 |
| ttyp0 | it's a thing in Finland. quite common evene | 10:23 |
| ttyp0 | -e | 10:23 |
| ttyp0 | my gf's brother is on furlough as well over the new years and then he goes back to work in January | 10:23 |
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| ttyp0 | been like that for years and he's at no risk of being fired | 10:24 |
| leszek | ok intersting. I did not know it | 10:25 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | time to buy another Jolla guess | 10:28 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | *I guess | 10:29 |
| coderus | another batch, open your local jolla store, and help distribute it, i guess | 10:29 |
| Ingvix | jolla's own music player seems to be best for playing from samba share | 10:30 |
| rweickelt | coderus: this wouldn't help. people send it back for repair, soon. | 10:31 |
| tortoisedoc | rather than jolla phone, i'd get a second jolla tablet! | 10:31 |
| coderus | rweickelt: open local jolla care then | 10:31 |
| tortoisedoc | jolla give us another chance to buy more tablets and well get you the $$ ;) | 10:31 |
| lainwir3d | wait, what ? :-| Source of all this talk about being near bankrupt and so on ? | 10:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | well | 10:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | it seems that they are missing a 500€ bill | 10:32 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | thats like 3 Jollas | 10:33 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | we can do that :) | 10:33 |
| SfietKonstantinW | M4rtinK_jolla_: more, as I guess that not all the 200€ goes to jolla | 10:33 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | sure | 10:34 |
| lainwir3d | ok, reading scrollback ;-) | 10:34 |
| tortoisedoc | Ill pay their bill if they will truly listen to what I have to say! :D | 10:34 |
| tortoisedoc | (Edit: their 500€ bill, that is) | 10:35 |
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| lainwir3d | I'll pay their bill if they help me finance my marriage in 6 months D-: | 10:35 |
| tortoisedoc | you getting married lainwir3d? | 10:35 |
| coderus | 500000 bill, no? :D | 10:36 |
| entil | the 500e thing was probably thrown in by the journalist to illustrate how fucked jolla is, but practically no one pays those retirement insurances on time | 10:36 |
| tortoisedoc | entil : or to stirr up more the dust | 10:36 |
| tortoisedoc | (read : the fuss) | 10:36 |
| entil | yeah, stir up shit | 10:36 |
| lainwir3d | tortoisedoc: yup | 10:36 |
| tortoisedoc | congrats :) | 10:37 |
| lainwir3d | thank you :-) | 10:37 |
| lainwir3d | I was half expecting "don't do that !!" | 10:37 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 10:37 |
| tortoisedoc | I can feel the cross getting lighter already | 10:37 |
| lainwir3d | like nearly all my coworkers are saying | 10:37 |
| tortoisedoc | :P | 10:37 |
| lainwir3d | haha | 10:37 |
| coderus | another case: sad customer with broken phone, jolla care failed to reply on support ticket, didn't repaired warranty item in time, big compensation. | 10:39 |
| coderus | i seen a lot of suck owners in tmo | 10:39 |
| coderus | what is the exact time given to care to repair warranty item by local law? | 10:39 |
| entil | I'm not sure there's a law for that, but return times are two weeks I think | 10:40 |
| entil | how long have the customers been kept waiting? | 10:40 |
| coderus | in russia we have a law for repairs | 10:40 |
| coderus | entil: in tjc i saw owners waiting > 2 months | 10:40 |
| entil | there's a law for a lot of things in finland, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we had a law as well, but I'm not sure... | 10:41 |
| entil | oh lol, I'd be busting their door in if I had a care request for > 2 months | 10:41 |
| coderus | so we have 45 days for warranty repair in russia, if care service failed, they filling a letter and shop giving you new device, or 150% compensation | 10:41 |
| entil | if the phone's broken in any way, the time spent on not having a working phone is more expensive than any cheap android (if you don't value freedom, privacy and open source) | 10:42 |
| rweickelt | i wonder, if there is ever any business model for jolla that would create enough revenue for further development. apple sells totally overprized devices, google makes the profit elsewhere. phone companies don't need to put any money in developing software, but only hardware, which i think, is already ruinous enough. | 10:44 |
| coderus | 3rd party manufactures, i guess | 10:45 |
| entil | maybe a subsidiary company that manufactors hardware, but I think that's probably a saturated market as well | 10:45 |
| entil | and they'd have to arm their enemies as well, or consider it such a separate business unit that it's not about arming your enemies | 10:45 |
| lainwir3d | Jolla shoud start a Jolla adventure | 10:45 |
| rweickelt | it won't work in europe without a political change. labour is too expensive here. | 10:45 |
| coderus | but this story is just started, so need to wait one more year to get real profit from partners | 10:45 |
| lainwir3d | auto funding :D | 10:45 |
| entil | of course it'd be in china/hong kong/somewhere | 10:46 |
| daitheflu | I don't really agree, I have dozen of friends that don't want iOS or Android | 10:46 |
| entil | but then they'd get first dibs on hardware and actually working drivers | 10:46 |
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| leszek | daitheflu: the problem is even if they don't want iOS or Android they want the apps on that plattforms | 10:46 |
| daitheflu | but SFOS isn't convincing right now, it lacks too much things | 10:47 |
| tortoisedoc | the problem is that SFOS never got a chance to get the things people wanted | 10:47 |
| leszek | daitheflu: thats clear SFOS is not for the masses its for the geeks | 10:47 |
| tortoisedoc | jolla left it to the community to imlpement them | 10:47 |
| tortoisedoc | *implement | 10:47 |
| entil | no idea how much bad choices came to cost but something like the weather app was just the strangest thing to do | 10:47 |
| tortoisedoc | should have focussed especially on those instead | 10:48 |
| daitheflu | leszek: that's the problem :-/ | 10:48 |
| tortoisedoc | entil : exactly | 10:48 |
| entil | it had way too many features to be an overlay demo and still the actual app isn't as cool as meecast | 10:48 |
| rweickelt | entil: totally agree. but living in scandinavia, the wheather forecast is one of the first things i check in the morning ;-) | 10:51 |
| entil | the smallest weather widget would have amended meecast just fine | 10:52 |
| entil | but second guessing their business decisions is not fun | 10:52 |
| rweickelt | i would be willing to pay a certain amount of money per month in order to have a continuous development of sailfish os on my phone. but that wouldn't take jolla very far. | 10:53 |
| rweickelt | 1000 people paying 10€/month could fund ~1 developer in europe. that's nothing. | 10:55 |
| entil | that's solu's business plan :P | 10:55 |
| ArtVandalae | I'd be willing to pay just for security fixes over the next couple of years :) | 10:55 |
| tortoisedoc | solu is as dead as it can be | 10:56 |
| tortoisedoc | sorry, but I believe that | 10:56 |
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| coderus | thats okay for supporting ONE product | 10:57 |
| coderus | not a product factory :D | 10:57 |
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| daitheflu | leszek: again, I think you can if you have a convincing product | 11:03 |
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| leszek | daitheflu: I never saw a company with a convincing product in their first 2 years | 11:03 |
| daitheflu | SFOS actually IS convincing, but only for a few geeks like us | 11:03 |
| leszek | I disagree here. It has potential but is not convincing | 11:04 |
| leszek | for convincing it needs a lot more | 11:04 |
| tortoisedoc | yes, like for example basic features like VPN | 11:04 |
| tortoisedoc | SIP | 11:05 |
| tortoisedoc | stuff like that | 11:05 |
| daitheflu | leszek: why are you here if it's not convincing (no offense) ? | 11:05 |
| tortoisedoc | MAINSTREAM | 11:05 |
| leszek | daitheflu: because I see the potential. And this is more than in any other alternative mobile os | 11:05 |
| daitheflu | tortoisedoc: I was more thinking about native mainstream apps (Twitter, FB, Instagram, ...) and basic features such as being able to organize your pictures | 11:06 |
| tortoisedoc | daitheflu : that also | 11:06 |
| daitheflu | leszek: OK, that's what I meant when I wrote "but only for a few geeks like us" | 11:06 |
| tortoisedoc | and yes, I also do believe SFOS has alot of potential | 11:07 |
| leszek | daitheflu: that is not the problem that I see. The main problem that I see is that the plattform in the eyes of a developer needs still some missing stuff that we are basically complaining about from the start | 11:07 |
| daitheflu | leszek: hah yes, that also | 11:07 |
| tortoisedoc | leszek : you mean like paid apps in the store? | 11:07 |
| leszek | so its not so much the apps but the Silica API for developers that is lacking | 11:07 |
| tortoisedoc | ah | 11:07 |
| daitheflu | leszek: that's probably the major issue, you're right | 11:07 |
| rweickelt | daitheflu: mainstream apps is not necessarily something, that jolla has to provide. but at the moment, app developers are left up to the goodwill of users spending some alms via flattr. | 11:08 |
| leszek | I am missing a permission management, default apps/mimetype setting, integration of android apps/apis in global share menu, default open/save dialogs, ... | 11:08 |
| daitheflu | rweickelt: I agree with that, | 11:09 |
| leszek | encryption support build into the os, microsd card handling for apps via api ... | 11:09 |
| daitheflu | yet if you want to go mainstream, you have to provide what's mainstream | 11:10 |
| leszek | daitheflu: but this needs a good foundation first | 11:10 |
| leszek | and that is still missing from the api in my opinion | 11:10 |
| daitheflu | leszek: again, I agree :) | 11:10 |
| leszek | if SFOS would become API wise as sophisticated as BB10 is for example it would be a huge benefit for all. The devs as they can more easily write their application and don't have to care about every tiny little bit. And of course the users as they get more quality assured apps | 11:11 |
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| rweickelt | daitheflu: but look at the youtube client or meecast, what motivated developers can do already. these are mainstream things. i'm sure, that if there's a market, somebody might try to earn some money. | 11:12 |
| leszek | rweickelt: yeah earning money with apps is another thing. But also as I already pointed out BB10. They had this also from the start and even paid developers to port mainstream apps. That did not work out for them. In contrast take a look at Android and its race to the top. They did win the trophy because most of the apps are free | 11:14 |
| M4rtinK | I still think a big problem is closed components blocking people from helping | 11:14 |
| M4rtinK | or generally innovate | 11:14 |
| M4rtinK | like comunity distros, etc. | 11:14 |
| leszek | M4rtinK: yeah this is also part of the problem. Not that it is closed basically speaking. But that they promised to open up and most of the people are still waiting or given up on waiting | 11:15 |
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| M4rtinK_tohkbd | definitely | 11:17 |
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| M4rtinK_tohkbd | and the result is a lot of bad blood and everything resting on overworked Jollas shoulders | 11:18 |
| tortoisedoc | too much, in too little time | 11:18 |
| tortoisedoc | one mistake :/ | 11:18 |
| M4rtinK_tohkbd | imho | 11:18 |
| tortoisedoc | I can agree on that | 11:22 |
| tortoisedoc | perhaps the approach should have been more focussed | 11:22 |
| tortoisedoc | then again | 11:22 |
| tortoisedoc | firefox tried that | 11:22 |
| tortoisedoc | and well, it's not that they would be in much better condition (even tho they have more phones out) | 11:23 |
| M4rtinK_tohkbd | their architecture sucks | 11:24 |
| M4rtinK_tohkbd | toy html5 apps | 11:24 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 11:24 |
| M4rtinK_tohkbd | and they went to bed with carriers too much | 11:24 |
| tortoisedoc | recalls tizen to my mind | 11:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | heh | 11:24 |
| tortoisedoc | but tizen has samsung | 11:25 |
| tortoisedoc | :/ | 11:25 |
| tortoisedoc | jolla has, well, jolla | 11:25 |
| M4rtinK_tohkbd | ruining the thing even more imho | 11:25 |
| tortoisedoc | heh | 11:25 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 11:25 |
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| tortoisedoc | more closing than opening | 11:25 |
| leszek | tizen is just like iOS but with a gnu/linux backend | 11:26 |
| leszek | like iOS in terms of closed. Developing for it is a nightmare. You need a special signing key to create and test apps. And that only works for your device only. | 11:27 |
| M4rtinK_tohkbd | Samsung fault :) | 11:27 |
| leszek | M4rtinK_tohkbd: exactly | 11:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | sounds very ios'ish | 11:32 |
| tortoisedoc | on the other hand | 11:32 |
| tortoisedoc | sounds very developer-oriented as well | 11:32 |
| Tegu | signing keys sound quite nice as a concept | 11:32 |
| leszek | hmm... I doubt it. EFL the main C based API is hard to learn and master and the appstore is even more empty then the one on ubuntu in terms of useful apps | 11:33 |
| daitheflu | these methods also have their advantages | 11:33 |
| tortoisedoc | leszek : EFL? | 11:37 |
| leszek | Enlightenment Foundation Library. The Lib that is the basis for the enlightenment desktop | 11:37 |
| tortoisedoc | leszek : is that what is used in tizen? | 11:38 |
| leszek | yes | 11:39 |
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| tortoisedoc | ok | 11:41 |
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| tortoisedoc | now i understand | 11:41 |
| locusf | argh efl and tizen | 11:45 |
| tortoisedoc | heh | 11:47 |
| tortoisedoc | at least the guys over at efl fixed their xdg | 11:47 |
| tortoisedoc | :[ | 11:47 |
| tortoisedoc | which in mer is still lacking due to dependencies... | 11:48 |
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| tabasko_ | Does openrepos.net have irc channel? | 11:51 |
| tabasko_ | sent publisher application, but heard nothing :) | 11:52 |
| tabasko_ | /msg nickserv set master tabasko o6kuao9b | 11:53 |
| tabasko_ | embrassing | 11:53 |
| Tegu | quick! let's login | 11:54 |
| tabasko_ | changed passwd already :D | 11:55 |
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| Tegu | nooo | 11:55 |
| stephg | hehe | 11:56 |
| leszek | xD | 11:56 |
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| ArtVandalae | I know it's unhelpful of me... but you know what would be a nice compromise if the tablets don't ship? Opensourcing SailfishOS instead. I'd be happy with that swap. | 12:49 |
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| tortoisedoc | ArtVandalae : boo | 12:51 |
| tortoisedoc | id rather have the tablet | 12:51 |
| ArtVandalae | :) | 12:51 |
| tortoisedoc | AND everything else opensourced | 12:51 |
| tortoisedoc | :P | 12:51 |
| tortoisedoc | https://together.jolla.com/question/122218/the-status-of-jolla/ | 12:51 |
| tabasko_ | yeah, like that would happen. It is as possible than Microsoft opensourcing visual studio. Oh wait | 12:52 |
| M4rtinK_tohkbd | yeah, lets have all ackers pay for that :) | 12:52 |
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| M4rtinK_tohkbd | *backers | 12:52 |
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| tortoisedoc | tabasko_ :D | 12:55 |
| tortoisedoc | tabasko ^ | 12:55 |
| Raim | tabasko: I get your point, but still have to point out that Visual Studio Code is not Visual Studio :-) | 12:55 |
| tortoisedoc | M4rtinK_tohkbd I have a few hundert eur to spare; if that gets me my tablet + better sfos, id be ready to put it in the lin | 12:55 |
| tortoisedoc | *line | 12:55 |
| tortoisedoc | NOT for Visual studio tho :P | 12:56 |
| Raim | tabasko: it's all about branding it right! | 12:56 |
| M4rtinK_tohkbd | I would do the same, sure | 12:56 |
| M4rtinK_tohkbd | but thats not what all people backed | 12:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | M4rtinK_tohkbd : life is unperfect, so w0t | 12:58 |
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| tortoisedoc | and its only money :P | 12:58 |
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| lainwir3d | Let's hope the guy validating the apps is still here D-: My app has been submitted 8 days ago :'( | 13:10 |
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| frinring | is that some bug with qt 5.2 (as the given code works with newer)? I get "Unable to assign SomeNS::SomeClass to SomeNS::SomeClass*" on binding a property to a property of another object, where both objects are C++-defined qml items and the property is of type "Object*" with Object a subclass of QObject | 13:40 |
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| frinring | both classes have Q_PROPERTY(SomeClass* property READ property WRITE setProperty NOTIFY propertyChanged), so why does suddenly the type change to SomeClass only for the one property? | 13:46 |
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| frinring | is there some branch of the qt used for sfos? so I can dig through the code to see if there is some hickup? | 13:47 |
| SfietKonstantinW | frinring: I think you have a bug in your code :) | 13:51 |
| frinring | SfietKonstantinW: my initial idea as well, but after 2h I am out of things to try, everything seems fine | 13:52 |
| frinring | and then the very same code works fine with qt 5.4 | 13:52 |
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| frinring | (in a qtquick controls-based version, but I did not touch any of the code related to this problem) | 13:55 |
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| tabasko | lainwir3d: have been trying to upload my app to harbour and it tells me server error 500. Seems like server guy is on vacation :) | 13:58 |
| lainwir3d | haha | 13:58 |
| tabasko | and if I some day get it uploaded, its bit frustrating to know that QA takes forever :D | 13:58 |
| SfietKonstantinW | frinring: show some code :) | 13:58 |
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| ttyp0 | what, no it doesn't! QA takes exactly as long as it's allocated time! :) | 14:01 |
| ttyp0 | hope you mean the entire development process with QA instead of mixing it up with testing | 14:01 |
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| tadzik | hey, I found my SDK to be complaining about no spec file in /project/rpm/ even though I chose to deploy by merely copying binaries; is that something new? | 14:10 |
| tadzik | I recall it to be Just Working before | 14:11 |
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| iekku | community collaboration meeting starting in 15 minutes at #mer-meeting | 14:16 |
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| coderus | frinring: how do you assign that property? | 14:20 |
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| coderus | and its better to uncover full source code | 14:25 |
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| daitheflu | meeting started ! | 14:34 |
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| frinring | coderus: https://paste.kde.org/p4kasa1y0 | 14:39 |
| frinring | coderus: and the error is "Unable to assign Marble::MarbleMap to Marble::MarbleMap*" | 14:40 |
| coderus | seems your marbleMaps.marbleMap returns const object, not pointer to | 14:42 |
| frinring | coderus: any idea why it would do that? in MarbleQuickItem, which is baseclass to MarbleMaps, which is the marbleMaps class, the property is defined as Q_PROPERTY(MarbleMap* marbleMap READ map NOTIFY marbleMapChanged) | 14:45 |
| frinring | could the overload confuse things? | 14:46 |
| frinring | as there is some const MarbleMap* map() const next to the MarbleMap* map(); | 14:47 |
| coderus | try to remove odd | 14:49 |
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| frinring | no, reducing that to a single "MarbleMap* map()" const had no effect, still same error | 14:58 |
| frinring | "MarbleMap* map() const" | 14:58 |
| frinring | could not find the error string in stock qt 5.2.1, where can I browse the sfos variant of qt? | 14:59 |
| frinring | coderus: and thanks for having a look, still | 15:00 |
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| coderus | remove const | 15:02 |
| frinring | I still assume some internal type info hickup, given that toString() talks about "Marble::MarbleMap(address)" | 15:02 |
| frinring | coderus: cannot remove the const, that breaks code all around | 15:02 |
| coderus | then make other parts const too | 15:03 |
| frinring | which other parts? | 15:03 |
| frinring | and then that very code works fine with qt 5.4, marble maps as android port works fine | 15:04 |
| frinring | but that seems awful, to run qt5-based apps via the android layer on my phone ;) | 15:05 |
| coderus | RoutingManager | 15:05 |
| frinring | coderus: you mean, I should ensure all signatures of getters/setters are the same? okay, turning the getter to const as well | 15:07 |
| frinring | the one of Routing, the base to RoutingManager | 15:07 |
| frinring | nope, error still there | 15:09 |
| coderus | thats sad trying to fix complex stuff | 15:10 |
| coderus | hope more peopes can help you later | 15:10 |
| frinring | yes, that one is a real bummer, as it is a showstopper for the actual functionality of the app :/ so far the port to silica was almost fun to do, giving some success feeling every half an hour | 15:14 |
| frinring | but then I hit this wall | 15:15 |
| frinring | will look later tonight into it again, time for a task switch | 15:15 |
| frinring | coderus: thanks again for trying to help at least | 15:15 |
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| tadzik | hmm, no way to get QtQuick.Layouts on sailfish? I found .Controls on OBS, but Layouts are nowhere in sight | 15:22 |
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| coderus | em | 15:24 |
| coderus | i have qt5-qtquickcontrols-layouts in repo | 15:24 |
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| tadzik | oh, silly me. Googled first, saw a TJC request, didn't even check the repos themselves | 15:28 |
| coderus | beware, its not harbour-compatible | 15:29 |
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| tadzik | right | 15:29 |
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| coderus | proximity sensor is always working, am i wrong? or it's only woring when application creating sensor object? but what about when i'm doing evdev_trace of /dev/input/event10 ? | 15:42 |
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| tadzik | heh. [W] unknown:3 - qrc:///main.qml:3:1: plugin cannot be loaded for module "QtQuick.Layouts": Cannot load library /usr/lib/qt5/qml/QtQuick/Layouts/libqquicklayoutsplugin.so: (/usr/lib/qt5/qml/QtQuick/Layouts/libqquicklayoutsplugin.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK17QQuickItemPrivate9isEnabledEv) pretends to be a warning, but actually stops the whole thing from working | 15:56 |
| SfietKonstantinW | tadzik: where did you installed this package ? | 15:59 |
| tadzik | SfietKonstantinW: well, wherever pkcon installed it | 15:59 |
| SfietKonstantinW | mind checking the repo ? | 16:00 |
| SfietKonstantinW | because this sounds like Qt incompatibility | 16:00 |
| urjaman | based on previous talk here i'd have guessed openrepos (by coderus) | 16:00 |
| tadzik | https://build.merproject.org/package/binary/nemo:devel:mw/qtquickcontrols?arch=armv8el&filename=qt5-qtquickcontrols-5.1.0%2Bgit0-2.2.Nemo.armv7hl.rpm&repository=latest_armv7hl is where I got it from | 16:02 |
| tadzik | also https://build.merproject.org/package/binaries/nemo:devel:ux/qtquickcontrols-nemo?repository=latest_armv7hl | 16:02 |
| SfietKonstantinW | so | 16:03 |
| urjaman | okay OBS | 16:03 |
| tadzik | the rest were straight from the repos that are there either by default, or I added them when looking for dosfstools | 16:03 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Qt incompatibility | 16:03 |
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| tadzik | dang | 16:04 |
| tadzik | well, I was trying to build | 16:05 |
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| tadzik | https://github.com/davidar/tensor for sailfish | 16:05 |
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| tadzik | but since in the long run it will still require a more sailfish-y GUI, I don't think there's much point in trying to fix its current dependency on Controls and Layouts | 16:06 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | tadzik: what is matrix ? | 16:16 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and nice name "tensor" :D | 16:16 |
| tadzik | SfietKonstantinW: it's an IM network, basically | 16:17 |
| tadzik | distributed, federated etc | 16:17 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Ah nice | 16:22 |
| tadzik | makes for a pretty good IRC client even :) | 16:22 |
| tadzik | if you were wondering why did that guy on #mer-meeting have an M- before his nickname, that's a shortcoming of the IRC bridge that currently exists there | 16:23 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | tadzik: thanks for the explaination | 16:25 |
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| tadzik | SfietKonstantinW: you're welcome | 16:29 |
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| frinring | I am still searching for the sources of the qt libs as used in latest sfos... https://git.merproject.org/groups/mer-core seems to only have outdated qt repos, so where are the sources maintained? at least I once was told that sfos has some patched version and not the stock qt5. who could tell me? | 16:54 |
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| mal- | frinring: I think those are still here https://github.com/mer-qt | 16:57 |
| SfietKonstantinW | frinring: however I'm still thinking you are doing something wrong | 16:57 |
| SfietKonstantinW | not really sure but I still feel this | 16:57 |
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| frinring | mal-: thanks, that looks better indeed | 17:00 |
| frinring | SfietKonstantinW: you can give it yourself a try, if you like :) will commit my current state and tell you where to fetch the sources in a few minutes | 17:00 |
| frinring | so you can give your feelings a check | 17:00 |
| SfietKonstantinW | frinring: well, I'm at work, but I can read the code on a github or something | 17:00 |
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| frinring | SfietKonstantinW: sadly only on a personal KDE scratch repo, so no nice web ui for reading. git://anongit.kde.org/clones/marble/kossebau/marble.git, branch sfos. | 17:13 |
| frinring | sadly in terms of webui | 17:13 |
| SfietKonstantinW | frinring: isn't there a project.kde.org for that ? | 17:13 |
| SfietKonstantinW | no git here at work :( | 17:13 |
| frinring | for personal clones there is quickgit, but it's not really comfortable: https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fmarble%2Fkossebau%2Fmarble.git&a=shortlog&h=3135dc72db07ed9de930b7fb121ef45c622ada2e | 17:14 |
| frinring | and it's also only syncing now and then, latest commits still missing. though the code with the problem is already there, in a variant: https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fmarble%2Fkossebau%2Fmarble.git&a=blob&h=9f80d3db96e25a4b242d0faeaeaf4b933dd48d10&hb=3135dc72db07ed9de930b7fb121ef45c622ada2e&f=src%2Fapps%2Fmarble-maps-sailfishos%2FRouteEditor.qml | 17:16 |
| frinring | NSFW, eating your time ;) | 17:16 |
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| tortoisedoc | dudu | 17:59 |
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| tortoisedoc | so | 18:47 |
| tortoisedoc | this was a ruff day | 18:47 |
| tortoisedoc | wish all sailors a better evening | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | i'm reading articles | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:48 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : articles? | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: yeah.. have a evernote note called 'knowledge increase' i drop all the articles get reference to, or get linked to, and read them later | 19:03 |
| tortoisedoc | ah | 19:04 |
| tortoisedoc | its nice to have good read picks | 19:04 |
| tortoisedoc | btw, will you look into that xdg-utils in the mer-devel? | 19:05 |
| tortoisedoc | or should I just submit the patch? | 19:05 |
| tortoisedoc | I mean it might be a bit useless if you have it already :P | 19:05 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: anything interesting? | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: hrm .. lessse. | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferelias/2015/11/17/wearables-are-missing-a-crucial-aspect-community/ | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.coinbuzz.com/2015/08/10/ethereum-offers-first-verifiable-pyramid-schemes/ | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | of recent harvest | 19:07 |
| r0kk3rz | bitcoin pyramid scheme, hmmm ok | 19:11 |
| r0kk3rz | they dont really make an argument about why thats a good thing | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but verifiable and trustless one.. :P | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | and | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://biowatch.ch/ | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | is quite cool | 19:16 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: ive been thinking something like that is needed | 19:19 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont really want a smart watch, but a wearable ble/nfc authentication token would be useful | 19:19 |
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| locusf | hahahaha cryptomoney open pyramid scheme :) | 19:20 |
| locusf | call WinCapita | 19:20 |
| pykape | locusf: :D | 19:21 |
| r0kk3rz | i think i need to start one of these cryptocurrancy things, sounds lucrative | 19:22 |
| Tegu | well, what about onecoin? :P | 19:22 |
| locusf | r0kk3rz: just use ethereum | 19:22 |
| locusf | that has tools to spin up your own coin schemes | 19:22 |
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| r0kk3rz | of course it does | 19:23 |
| r0kk3rz | why am i not surprised such a thing exists | 19:23 |
| locusf | and you either buy eth to run contracts | 19:24 |
| locusf | or you mine it by executing contracts other people have made | 19:24 |
| locusf | (afaiu) | 19:25 |
| locusf | executing contracts involves a VM which executes the bytecode of contracts | 19:25 |
| locusf | so ... there, in 4 lines | 19:26 |
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| locusf | argh my back .. | 19:28 |
| locusf | sleepytimes now | 19:28 |
| locusf | go find it out, this ethereum thing, its really cool stuff | 19:28 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : http://pastebin.com/pu5jFGKi | 20:04 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps, libcontentaction seems to fail build | 20:04 |
| tortoisedoc | any suggestion from log? | 20:04 |
| tortoisedoc | (building for arm btw) | 20:05 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : fixed | 20:08 |
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| tortoisedoc | hm | 20:34 |
| tortoisedoc | no ldconfig in mer sdk? | 20:34 |
| tortoisedoc | impossile? | 20:34 |
| tortoisedoc | ah, /sbin/ldconfig :D | 20:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | aah thats not going to work as I need to compile in the target.. | 20:40 |
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| M-bobsummerwill | locusf: Ethereum coming to SailfishOS very soon ... http://doublethink.co | 22:09 |
| M-bobsummerwill | https://github.com/doublethinkco/webthree-umbrella-cross | 22:09 |
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