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| IanWizard | Can anyone point me to anything covering sailfish's sandboxing / etc? | 03:22 |
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| coderus | IanWizard: what are you talking about? | 03:30 |
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| IanWizard | coderus: I'd like to assume that there is some form of sandboxing. While as a developer-user love the concept of a limit free environment to play in, I as a user-user would hope that sailfish is more than a nice UI with an SDK. | 03:33 |
| IanWizard | Don't get me wrong, it's not going to stop me from using it in a project I'm working on. Nor would it really stop me from using it on my phone (given better HW support for my current device). | 03:37 |
| coderus | there is no sandboxing | 03:45 |
| coderus | only for aliendalvik | 03:45 |
| IanWizard | coderus: At which point, is sailfish really anything more than a pretty face over linux? Again, I'm by no means saying that's a bad thing, but it's just a nice DE and some basic framework wrapping QT and Mer. | 03:50 |
| IanWizard | That should be phrased as a question. | 03:50 |
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| coderus | IanWizard: its just another distro, just based on mer | 04:15 |
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| tortoisedoc | what can you say | 11:49 |
| tortoisedoc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4 | 11:49 |
| tortoisedoc | ;) | 11:49 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 11:55 |
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| jaacoppi | jolla lost all phone numbers for all of my contacts. People app shows names but not phone numbers. Phone app shows only phone numbers of last called people, but not names. What to do? | 12:00 |
| jaacoppi | reading https://together.jolla.com/question/29572/bug-jolla-lost-all-phone-numbers/ atm | 12:03 |
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| leszek | seems like harbour isn't testing/approving any more apps. Is there any news on this ? | 12:04 |
| jaacoppi | but it's not useful since I'm not using google accounts | 12:05 |
| leszek | jaacoppi: stored on the sim card maybe ? Can you check if the sim isn't broken | 12:05 |
| cybette | leszek: it is, just really slow http://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2015-November/006779.html | 12:06 |
| leszek | ah ok | 12:06 |
| jaacoppi | yeah the numbers are on the sim | 12:09 |
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| jaacoppi | importing from SIM card in settings -> apps -> people got the phone numbers back. Now I have about 150 duplicates | 12:12 |
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| leszek | jaacoppi: if you have another phone and the time please check the sim in there. Sim cards tend to break every now and then. I hope it isn't the case here but you'll never know | 12:20 |
| jaacoppi | I got my numbers back from SIM | 12:25 |
| jaacoppi | does sailfish have a contacts export wizard/method? I'd like to have a backup of what's in the phone now | 12:25 |
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| jaacoppi | I mean yes it does have a method, but where's the contacts file located? | 12:26 |
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| leszek | jaacoppi: there is a tutorial here: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202459088-How-do-I-copy-my-contacts-from-Jolla-to-another-mobile-device-or-a-computer- | 12:35 |
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| tortoisedoc | is there a good example for using SFOS camera somewhere available? | 12:53 |
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| tortoisedoc | ah found it :) | 12:54 |
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| King_DuckZ | hey all, is there any news about the tablets yet? are they still being produced or did they stop making them? | 16:30 |
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| TemeV | King_DuckZ: Haven't read the news lately? Jolla ran out of money | 16:32 |
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| King_DuckZ | TemeV: I did, that's why I'm asking | 16:36 |
| TemeV | I think they said tablets are on hold until they find some money | 16:36 |
| King_DuckZ | ok :( | 16:36 |
| King_DuckZ | they're not shutting down btw, isn't it? | 16:37 |
| TemeV | Without money they don't have much options. So now they are searching for someone with extra 10M€ to spare | 16:38 |
| King_DuckZ | by the 20th of december? | 16:39 |
| TemeV | ? | 16:40 |
| King_DuckZ | do they have to find another investor by the next funding round (which is on the 20th if I understand correctly), or will they survive even if it takes a few months to find a new dude? | 16:41 |
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| TemeV | They don't have money for salaries etc. so the company might still exist on paper but I don't know how much employees the have left after few months | 16:43 |
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| King_DuckZ | this also means they made 0 profit so far, eh? | 16:44 |
| TemeV | nope | 16:45 |
| TemeV | no profit, I mean | 16:45 |
| King_DuckZ | any reason why they didn't hurry up and make a paid app store and take 10-20% of the transactions? they didn't think it would attract enough devs maybe? | 16:45 |
| TemeV | If there were like 50k phones out there and 50€ would be spent by all of them. That would mean like 100k€ | 16:47 |
| TemeV | for Jolla | 16:47 |
| urjaman | yeah i was just about to say it'd need ridiculous usage numbers to be worth it | 16:47 |
| TemeV | no, 500k, sorry | 16:47 |
| King_DuckZ | surely they sold more than 50k phones though, no? | 16:47 |
| King_DuckZ | ah | 16:47 |
| TemeV | and that 500k is practically nothing | 16:48 |
| TemeV | King_DuckZ: I don't think they've sold even that 50k | 16:49 |
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| King_DuckZ | actually 5€ x 0.2 x 50000 = 50000 € | 16:50 |
| King_DuckZ | wouldn't that be still better than nothing at all? | 16:51 |
| King_DuckZ | ok it's before tax | 16:51 |
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| TemeV | King_DuckZ: I calculated 50k*50€*0,2 to make sure it's overly optimistic to point out it's surely not enough | 16:52 |
| King_DuckZ | but I think the side effect would be better quality apps, which would lure more customers | 16:52 |
| TemeV | Jolla spends 10M€/year | 16:52 |
| King_DuckZ | hm | 16:52 |
| King_DuckZ | :( | 16:52 |
| urjaman | i'm not actually even sure if its > or < 50k phones ... | 16:54 |
| King_DuckZ | how can it be, with india and china in the lot? | 16:55 |
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| urjaman | ok after a google i guess it can be in the 50k ... 500k range | 17:06 |
| urjaman | but it just doesnt feel like that | 17:06 |
| urjaman | tohkbd was a batch of 1500 or so iirc | 17:07 |
| urjaman | okay hmm... i wonder how the dl counter in the appstore works ... | 17:10 |
| urjaman | says "25000+" for android support | 17:10 |
| urjaman | but if that counts every update, then its blergh | 17:10 |
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| King_DuckZ | urjaman: you have to be logged in to the jolla account to access the store, right? | 17:20 |
| King_DuckZ | and the tohkbd, I wanted to buy it at some point but they made it really hard to find | 17:21 |
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| King_DuckZ | no trace of it on ebay and I missed the kickstarter, so... | 17:21 |
| urjaman | saying a kickstarter is hard to find is a bit of a stretch | 17:29 |
| urjaman | and yeah i guess you need an account to even see the store ... | 17:30 |
| urjaman | not sure but i suppose | 17:30 |
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| urjaman | but yeah i was linked to the keyboard by somebody on irc and got a jolla because of tohkbd | 17:32 |
| King_DuckZ | it's not that I didn't find the kickstarter, it's that it had ended already | 17:37 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | deh deh | 18:49 |
| tortoisedoc_ | any documentation on com.jolla.camera? | 18:49 |
| coderus | why? | 18:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | I want to use the camera? :) | 18:51 |
| urjaman | King_DuckZ: and there was many months after the kickstarter during which you could purchase it from the store... and you could still build it from parts AFAIK | 18:51 |
| coderus | sfos 2.0 have qtmultimedia 5.4 with awesome camera controls | 18:51 |
| coderus | just use VideoOutput with Camera | 18:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | aha | 18:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | qtmultimedia | 18:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | thanks coderus | 18:51 |
| coderus | :) | 18:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | is it accepted in harbour? | 18:52 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | (fwiw) | 18:52 |
| coderus | 5.4 not yet | 18:53 |
| urjaman | anyways, for anythign thats not infinite in time i guess there will be ppl who are too late... | 18:53 |
| coderus | ping MSameer at #mer and ask why :) | 18:53 |
| coderus | but is harbout qa a big problem? | 18:53 |
| coderus | you can always fool imports in qml and require what you want | 18:53 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | nah | 18:54 |
| tortoisedoc_ | im a bit pessimistic on harbour future tbh | 18:54 |
| coderus | me too, so dont care :) | 18:54 |
| coderus | make more good apps which cant be accepted in harbour but were accepted | 18:55 |
| coderus | all my last apps contains such tricks | 18:55 |
| coderus | :D | 18:55 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | :D | 18:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | example? | 18:55 |
| coderus | not here :D | 18:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | where :D | 18:55 |
| coderus | in private :) | 18:56 |
| urjaman | i might be pessimistic, but i'm still hoping... (and because i just met the first android app that i wanted and wasnt 4.1 compatible... 4.4+ ... ) | 18:57 |
| coderus | well | 18:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | heh | 18:58 |
| coderus | peoples buy android if really need android apps, right? :) | 18:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | they deserve one more shot imo | 18:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | but thats a different topic :) | 18:59 |
| urjaman | nah, i'd rather go back to symbian than get an android phone | 18:59 |
| urjaman | or "back to"... i still have the 700 as a phone | 19:00 |
| tortoisedoc_ | symbian | 19:00 |
| tortoisedoc_ | *shrugs* | 19:00 |
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| coderus | haha, i recently found my old N82, charged it and realized all apps are most recent versions and up-to date :) | 19:01 |
| coderus | connected to ICQ, chatted with old mates :D | 19:01 |
| urjaman | whatsapp is nagging about an update on the 700 btw | 19:01 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | a simple magnifying glass for sfos! | 21:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | https://openrepos.net/content/giuliettasw/looking-glass | 21:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | wip :) | 21:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and sources to be released soon | 21:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (soon and not SOON) | 21:44 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | and sources available | 22:02 |
| tortoisedoc_ | as usual, thanks to mr coderus for help :) | 22:03 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | and good night | 22:05 |
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