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xkr47 | is the sailfishos usb-moded spec file available somewhere? | 09:03 |
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Stskeeps | https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/usb-moded | 09:05 |
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xkr47 | thx | 09:06 |
xkr47 | is Philippe the main maintainer? | 09:06 |
xkr47 | is he here? | 09:06 |
xkr47 | ah yes | 09:07 |
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Profpatsch | Hmm, nice. | 09:20 |
Profpatsch | The calendar app duplicates my CalDav cals every time they sync. | 09:20 |
Profpatsch | Yet, it still displays nothing. | 09:20 |
Profpatsch | Is there a Bugtracker for thes applications? | 09:22 |
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coderus | together.jolla.com | 09:31 |
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Profpatsch | coderus: Seems more like a mish-mash between soft and hard bugs. | 09:34 |
Profpatsch | Are there bug trackers for single applications? | 09:35 |
Profpatsch | Or parts of the system? | 09:35 |
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Profpatsch | And where can I find the current source trees? | 09:35 |
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chem|st | Profpatsch: tjc is the only bugtracker provided, for stuff comming from mer it is https://bugs.merproject.org/ sources are https://github.com/sailfishos | 09:40 |
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Profpatsch | Doesn’t look like a very active Repository. | 09:40 |
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Profpatsch | Looks likes a graveyard. | 09:41 |
chem|st | it is more or less I guess | 09:41 |
Profpatsch | Darn. | 09:41 |
Profpatsch | Why not just open source the stuff. | 09:42 |
chem|st | core is at merproject (mostly) | 09:42 |
Profpatsch | GPL3 the shit out of it. | 09:42 |
Profpatsch | I mean there is no business model to begin with. | 09:43 |
Profpatsch | (apart from selling phones) | 09:43 |
chem|st | Profpatsch: there is talking about doing that with a 3way license model iirc | 09:43 |
Profpatsch | Also, nobody could re-use the code anyway. | 09:43 |
chem|st | Profpatsch: and the businessmodel is not selling phones but to sell device adaptation and support | 09:44 |
Profpatsch | Now I’m stuck with a misbehaving phone which I can’t even fix. | 09:44 |
Profpatsch | Sad. | 09:44 |
Stskeeps | https://git.merproject.org/ | 09:44 |
Profpatsch | I’m being relayed to a sign in form. | 09:44 |
Profpatsch | Why do I need to sign in to see the code? | 09:45 |
chem|st | Profpatsch: just before the lights started flickering, open-sourcing all of it was on the table, now with debt restructuring that ain't gonna be easy | 09:45 |
Profpatsch | Ah, I can. | 09:46 |
chem|st | Profpatsch: there is no 'just' in investor relations | 09:46 |
chem|st | https://git.merproject.org/explore | 09:47 |
chem|st | and your comment to github, last changes are 5minutes ago... | 09:49 |
Profpatsch | chem|st: I’m not saying it *is* a graveyard, I’m just saying it *looks* like one. | 09:49 |
Stskeeps | g/ 43 | 09:49 |
Profpatsch | No stars on the repos, no visible developers in the group. | 09:50 |
chem|st | it is some like a drop zone for the foss bits, it gets regularly updated though | 09:50 |
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Profpatsch | Nice, it’s not even possible to do a simple ssh. | 10:03 |
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Profpatsch | At least it’s not apparent what password root@<ip> expects. | 10:04 |
Profpatsch | It definitely isn’t the generated one. | 10:04 |
TemeV | Profpatsch: the password is for nemo | 10:05 |
daitheflu | Profpatsch: if you're trying to SSH to your Jolla phone, username is nemo | 10:05 |
TemeV | It doesn't set the root password from settings | 10:05 |
Profpatsch | good that it tells you that. not. | 10:06 |
daitheflu | Profpatsch: then you should be able to su | 10:06 |
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Profpatsch | And what’s the root password? | 10:06 |
TemeV | It is not set | 10:06 |
Profpatsch | Don’t tell me it’s hardcoded or I throw the device into the trash. :) | 10:07 |
daitheflu | Profpatsch: why would you need root password ? | 10:07 |
TemeV | you can use devel-su to gain root | 10:07 |
TemeV | or su-devel | 10:07 |
TemeV | both are pretty much synonym for sudo su in "normal" linux | 10:07 |
Profpatsch | Did I just miss it or is there a documentation for all that? | 10:08 |
TemeV | I'm quite sure it is documented somewhere^tm | 10:08 |
Profpatsch | I sure hope it accepts pubkeys. | 10:08 |
TemeV | it does | 10:08 |
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Profpatsch | Hm, there is a lot of red in my journalctl | 10:13 |
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Profpatsch | TemeV: Yes, no, it doesn’t. | 10:20 |
Profpatsch | At least not by default. | 10:20 |
Profpatsch | WHO BUILT THIS | 10:20 |
TemeV | It should. Do you have correct permissions for the files? | 10:21 |
Profpatsch | I copied it with ssh-copy-id … | 10:22 |
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stephg | ... and on the directories | 10:22 |
Profpatsch | Okay, my bad. | 10:24 |
Profpatsch | I deleted the the dir and re-did the ssh-copy-id, now it works. | 10:24 |
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daitheflu | Profpatsch: enjoy SSH straight out of the box :) | 10:29 |
Profpatsch | I have to say, that’s better than nearly every other crappy mobile system out there. | 10:30 |
Profpatsch | Except maybe Ubuntu Phone. | 10:30 |
Profpatsch | Now to manually disable password access, because the UI doesn’t allow it. | 10:31 |
Profpatsch | No manpages … | 10:33 |
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TemeV | just google them | 10:33 |
coderus | is editing sshd_config a magic for you? | 10:33 |
Profpatsch | No, it’s not. | 10:34 |
Profpatsch | Hm, kind of makes sense that it’s not possible to disable passwords from the ui. | 10:35 |
Profpatsch | But now I’m afraid it will reset my changes the next time I visit that UI screen. | 10:35 |
coderus | you are the most complaining geek i ever seen | 10:35 |
TemeV | I don't think that gui touches sshd_config | 10:36 |
TemeV | it just enables sshd sets the password etc | 10:36 |
chem|st | Profpatsch: gui touches nothing unless you change anything and it for sure does no inline editing of some config files | 10:37 |
coderus | disable devmode is stop sshd and unset nemo passwd :) | 10:37 |
TemeV | and remove fingerterm and maybe some other packages | 10:38 |
Profpatsch | Than makes sense. | 10:38 |
chem|st | TemeV: I wonder why you can even disable dev mode^^ | 10:38 |
TemeV | chem|st: why couln't you? | 10:38 |
TemeV | *couldn't | 10:39 |
chem|st | TemeV: I do not see the point in uninstalling dev mode | 10:39 |
chem|st | I do not see the point in installing it either | 10:39 |
TemeV | It is easy way to e.g. stop sshd, if you want to do that for some reason | 10:40 |
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chem|st | it should be preinstalled, and the toggle just symlinks fingerterm sets password and starts sshd | 10:40 |
TemeV | oh, you mean the packages | 10:40 |
TemeV | yeah uninstalling them is maybe pointless | 10:40 |
TemeV | not having them preinstalled saves some megabytes, I guess | 10:41 |
chem|st | TemeV: about everything around it... | 10:41 |
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TemeV | well, I never disable it so I don't care what id does :) | 10:42 |
chem|st | I'd rather have 10MB wasted than to need internet to get a shell | 10:42 |
kimmoli | coderus: was there a hit on your paranoia list? | 10:42 |
chem|st | I had to tether the tablet to my phone to get dev mode, to get terminal, to setup wpa-enterprise to get internet in the first place | 10:43 |
coderus | kimmoli: not yet, more likely possible hit to global ignore list. | 10:43 |
chem|st | I know that should be in the gui by now anyway but well | 10:44 |
zGrr | moin :) | 10:44 |
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Profpatsch | I’m kind of afraid of the *dav implementation | 11:03 |
Profpatsch | CardDav throws an error every 10 minutes that sync failed. | 11:03 |
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Profpatsch | CalDav creates a new instance of every calendar in the calendar app every time it syncs. | 11:04 |
Profpatsch | And it doesn’t look like any events actually get synced. | 11:04 |
Profpatsch | Maybe the implementation in my completely out-of-date Owncloud is too buggy. | 11:05 |
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TemeV | For me syncing to Owncloud works nicely | 11:09 |
Profpatsch | TemeV: Which version? | 11:09 |
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TemeV | The one that comes with Debian Jessie | 11:09 |
Profpatsch | Hm, okay. | 11:09 |
Profpatsch | So it’s probably Owncloud. | 11:10 |
Profpatsch | Maybe I’ll take another shot at setting up radicale. | 11:10 |
TemeV | seems to be 7.0.4 | 11:10 |
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daitheflu | *DAV protocols are kinda shitty anyway, it's very hard to get a good implementation :( | 11:20 |
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Profpatsch | daitheflu: That might be an explanation. I suspected that might be the case. | 11:24 |
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chem|st | TemeV: caldav and carddav? what link do you use? never got it to work properly | 11:35 |
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Profpatsch | It would be nice if the *Dav account creation displayed an actual error instead of (literally) „Oops, something went wrong“. | 11:39 |
Profpatsch | Is it wrong that I want to do bad things to the person that wrote that? | 11:39 |
Profpatsch | The journal doesn’t output particularly helpful messages, either. | 11:40 |
TemeV | chem|st: the one copypasted from the web ui | 11:41 |
TemeV | and yes caldav and carddav | 11:42 |
TemeV | I had to make separate accounts for them though and put the whole url to the url field, not use the separete calendar and contacts parts | 11:42 |
ascarpino | here Caldav was not working until I switched to LetsEncrypt (previously I was using a self signed cert, with "Ignore SSL errors" checked). Cardcav instead was working with the self signed cert :-S | 11:43 |
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chem|st | ascarpino: I just had to open the server in browser once and accept the cert, after that it worked (kind of) | 11:48 |
ascarpino | chem|st: I suppose caldav "ignore ssl errors" is broken | 11:49 |
ascarpino | I should investigate but had no time yet | 11:49 |
* xkr47 sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R zypper in -t srcpackage usb-moded | 11:50 | |
chem|st | no idea, ask changelog if it was fixed, it used to be broken systemwide I think | 11:50 |
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Profpatsch | So I probably have to get a Letsencrypt cert for that to work well. | 11:59 |
TemeV | I don't have a cert | 12:01 |
TemeV | or well, I have self signed | 12:01 |
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Profpatsch | The UI also doesn’t allow to change the URL afterwards. | 12:14 |
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Profpatsch | [W] CaldavAccountCalendarUpdater::requestUserPrincipalUrlFinished:309 - "XML parse error: 4: Premature end of document." | 12:21 |
Profpatsch | Is the Caldav code online somwhere? | 12:22 |
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chem|st | Profpatsch: buteo I guess | 12:37 |
chem|st | and the ui part is not afaik | 12:38 |
chem|st | Profpatsch: you may cahnge the url from CLI | 12:38 |
fledermaus | chem|st: pleased to report my phone has been behaving itself soundwise so far, so possibly not damaged after all. | 12:38 |
chem|st | fledermaus: :D | 12:40 |
svip | I am having a strange problem with my phone; often when I click something in the browser, it crashes. | 12:42 |
svip | It then shows the screen the phone displays when it is charging while turned off. | 12:43 |
svip | It crashes a couple of times before finally relaxing back into the DE. | 12:43 |
svip | It also bothers me that I cannot change the default search engine in the browser to DuckDuckGo. | 12:44 |
chem|st | svip: that sounds like the loose battery contacts or wlan chip being of rail | 12:45 |
svip | Hmm... | 12:45 |
svip | Let me look at the battery. | 12:45 |
chem|st | svip: wlan chip is remove battery for a couple of minutes (>5), battery is clean contacts (make sure you always push all rods at the same time) or adding 1-2 sheets of tape to the batteries bottom edge | 12:46 |
svip | I will try that. | 12:48 |
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Profpatsch | chem|st: Yes, the UI part is not open I guess. | 13:04 |
Profpatsch | Which is what is displayed in the log of course. | 13:04 |
Profpatsch | So it’s probably useless. | 13:04 |
Profpatsch | Oh, how I love proprietary code. | 13:05 |
Profpatsch | I know I’m being negative, but I hate it when I can’t debug what I use. | 13:05 |
Profpatsch | So very much. | 13:05 |
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kimmoli | some of the stuff have some switches to enable more verbose debug outputs. but where they are, is another thing. some of them are documented in TJC | 13:31 |
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xkr47 | what is the autoritative source for whether the device is connected to the internet? connman? | 13:33 |
xkr47 | can I tell the device "you're now connected" when I have set up the connection manually using e.g. ifconfig? | 13:34 |
xkr47 | remember doing that with maemo/n900 | 13:34 |
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xkr47 | signal sender=:1.13 -> dest=(null destination) serial=975 path=/; interface=net.connman.Manager; member=PropertyChanged | 13:42 |
xkr47 | string "State" | 13:42 |
xkr47 | this ? | 13:42 |
xkr47 | variant string "online" | 13:42 |
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xkr47 | phdeswer, sorry do you have a minute? I'm interested in the status of connman support in usb-moded - a year ago there's a commit "needs work still".. | 13:52 |
Mon_look_plane | helli | 13:53 |
Mon_look_plane | hello | 13:53 |
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phdeswer | xkr47: it's kind of better now. Well at least slava contributed some extra stuff to make the internet sharing work with connman. | 13:54 |
phdeswer | What do you exactly want it to do? | 13:55 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, I want to get internet sharing working the other way around - my laptop has a ethernet connection and I would like my jolla phone to use usb networking as an official internet connection | 13:56 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, my plan is to keep "internet sharing" mode as it is now, i.e. phone is "source of internet" and laptop is slave, and to change "developer mode" to work the other way around | 13:57 |
ttyp0 | couldn't you just manually (or through a scrip) define the PC's IP as default GW? | 13:57 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, in both modes the phone runs a dhcp server and the laptop gets a dynamic ip | 13:57 |
ttyp0 | script* | 13:58 |
xkr47 | ttyp0, I have that already, but the software thinks the phone is offline | 13:58 |
Mon_look_plane | anyone know how can i auto open my app when jolla phone is opening | 13:58 |
phdeswer | xr47: That should be easy to do if you have your laptop is set up right. It won't work though if the phone is a dhcp server... | 13:58 |
xkr47 | ttyp0, so I can ping the internet from the phone, but e.g. emails don't update, etc | 13:58 |
ttyp0 | ah | 13:58 |
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xkr47 | phdeswer, yes laptop is already set up to forward traffic AND it works already but the "official apps" thinks the phone is offlien | 13:59 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, and I believe it's because usb-moded uses ifconfig to set up the config instead of connman. this again is because of my guess that connman is the "authoritative source" of whether the phone is connected or not, from the perspective of native sailfishos apps | 14:00 |
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phdeswer | The phone should have the udhcpc client, so you could just make an ini file like this to get dhcp from the pc | 14:02 |
phdeswer | xr47: correct. Unfortunately connman is/was really bad at dealing with the usb interface. | 14:03 |
phdeswer | Just checking what slava did.. | 14:04 |
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phdeswer | xkr47: will have to put some more work in it still. Probably for your use case it might be enough to tell connman to bring the interface up | 14:06 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, ok I will try to recompile with CONNMAN_WORKS_BETTER :) | 14:09 |
Mon_look_plane | if i want to open my app when jolla is opening ,how to to ?example! | 14:11 |
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xkr47 | phdeswer, thanks for your time, appreciated | 14:11 |
phdeswer | Well keep reminding me now and then. I might try to have another go at it. Got stuck with the hellishly complex dbus messages from connman. But that was for static ip, maybe just requesting connman to bring the interface up might be easier and fullfill your requirement | 14:12 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, I don't mind which party runs the dhcp server and client, but I want internet sharing both ways and the laptop doesn't know which mode is chosen on the phone so the responsibilities must be set up the same regardless which way the sharing occurs | 14:13 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, static config is of course also an option but run into minor trouble with that on my laptop so I defaulted to using dhcp since that worked fine anyway | 14:13 |
phdeswer | xkr47: well in case sharing internet from the laptop, it makes sense the laptop does the dhcp server, as otherwise there is no way for the phone to guess if it is a gateway or not, and what the dns info is | 14:14 |
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xkr47 | phdeswer, the jolla preferences ui could have an option in the "developer mode" page to "use as upstream router in developer mode" and when enabled perhaps also a "dns ip(s)" setting | 14:16 |
phdeswer | xkr47: define use as upstream router.. As I understand that as internet sharing ... | 14:17 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, and if "upstream router" enabled, but the "dns ip(s)" left empty, the the udhcpd config written by usb-moded could be extended to execute a command that sets up the last-leased dhcp client's ip as dns ip | 14:18 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, perhaps I should write something more visual down to better facilitate our discussion | 14:18 |
xkr47 | now I have to run to the bus, b in 12 minutes or so :) | 14:19 |
phdeswer | xkr47: ok. Catch you later maybe | 14:19 |
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xkr47 | b | 14:29 |
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xkr47 | phdeswer, https://tinyurl.com/zd9yujb | 14:36 |
xkr47 | sorry that was incomplete | 14:37 |
xkr47 | or maybe I just need to write some textual description | 14:38 |
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chem|st | Profpatsch: you can make output that verbose that you may fill up internal storage within a couple of hours (considering you turn everything on at once!) | 14:41 |
Profpatsch | chem|st: I can or the developers could? | 14:43 |
Profpatsch | systemd normally limits the log size. | 14:43 |
chem|st | you can, most of debugging is turned off of course as it produces a lot of output | 14:44 |
chem|st | and output size is only limited by systemd if it knows about it | 14:45 |
Profpatsch | chem|st: Hm, okay. How do I do that? | 14:45 |
chem|st | Profpatsch: what are you actually looking after? (did not read backlog | 14:45 |
Profpatsch | chem|st: Ah, I wanted to see why the Cal/CardDav Account creation fails. | 14:45 |
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chem|st | TemeV: caldav working both ways yes, I don't know how many times I tried to get carddav to do anything useful | 14:46 |
chem|st | TemeV: I got it to sync once but I have the same problems like I have with BT sync, some contacts get synced partially some never and so on | 14:47 |
Profpatsch | chem|st: Yeah, and how to debug such things. | 14:47 |
Profpatsch | In my opinion it should be possible for able users to debug something like that on an open system. | 14:48 |
chem|st | Profpatsch: well I see in logs which contacts mess up... | 14:49 |
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Profpatsch | chem|st: Can you access the code that messes it up? | 14:50 |
TemeV | chem|st: oh, I haven't really paid attention on carddav. It seems to sync all local contacts but tbh I haven't checked properly | 14:50 |
chem|st | that is buteo sync plugin isn't it? | 14:50 |
chem|st | Profpatsch: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/buteo-sync-plugins | 14:51 |
TemeV | Most of my contacts are in exchange and I guess it is a feature they don't sync elsewhere | 14:51 |
phdeswer | xkr47: will check later. Have to go to my evening classes now | 14:51 |
chem|st | TemeV: I just backuped everything and gave it another try | 14:54 |
Profpatsch | chem|st: The error message references a CaldavAccountCalendarUpdater, which doesn’t exist in the source code. | 14:56 |
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chem|st | is it in buteo-sync-plugin-caldav? | 15:00 |
chem|st | as it is caldav specific? | 15:01 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | hello | 15:02 |
Rikudou_Sennin | can anybody help me with qml, please? | 15:02 |
kimmoli | just ask, and preferably show github link to code.. | 15:02 |
Rikudou_Sennin | ok, great :) | 15:03 |
Rikudou_Sennin | https://github.com/RikudouSage/sailfish-cah/blob/master/qml/pages/Favourites.qml | 15:03 |
Profpatsch | chem|st: Searched that already, nope. | 15:03 |
Rikudou_Sennin | I am trying to make the qml page scrollable but cannot seem to find a way | 15:03 |
Rikudou_Sennin | the MainScreen is scrollable without a problem, which leads me to think it's because the ListView is created dynamically from json | 15:04 |
chem|st | lbt: can you shed some light on debuging caldav? | 15:04 |
Profpatsch | Oh, lol. When in display-off mode, it throws a recurring error on the journal, every second or so. | 15:04 |
kimmoli | https://github.com/RikudouSage/sailfish-cah/blob/master/qml/pages/Favourites.qml#L22 | 15:04 |
kimmoli | https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/qml-sailfishsilica-sailfish-silica-silicaflickable.html/ | 15:05 |
kimmoli | Rikudou_Sennin: you are limitinh these heights to page.height now. obviously it does not scroll | 15:06 |
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chem|st | Profpatsch: and YES FOOBAR - no clue about debuging carddav... seems UI does not trigger sync at all, at least there is not even one current log entry about an attempt, guess it is just stuck on the previous sync and stalls | 15:08 |
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chem|st | and why the hell is facebook login client logging in when all sync is disabled | 15:09 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | kimmoli: hello, sorry, irc crashed, I deleted it, but still does not work | 15:11 |
Profpatsch | And there is no way to debug the UI? | 15:11 |
kimmoli | Rikudou_Sennin: also line 28 ? column height. | 15:11 |
kimmoli | and to flickable, change contentHeight: maincolumn.height | 15:12 |
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chem|st | Profpatsch: probably looking into dbus-monitor will help with that | 15:14 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | kimmoli: still does not work | 15:14 |
kimmoli | and for page, set anchors.fill: parent | 15:14 |
kimmoli | check all the heights | 15:14 |
kimmoli | remote page height, width. not needed | 15:15 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | kimmoli: Still nothing, I updated the source code on github | 15:19 |
kimmoli | do you have userid to test with? | 15:19 |
Rikudou_Sennin | kimmoli: username: test, password: test, user id: 11 | 15:21 |
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kimmoli | Rikudou_Sennin: check your .pro, it does not include all files | 15:26 |
Rikudou_Sennin | kimmoli: which are missing...? | 15:27 |
kimmoli | ah they are in DISTFILES | 15:28 |
kimmoli | not showing on sdk | 15:28 |
Rikudou_Sennin | strange, the SDK added these files there on its own | 15:28 |
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kimmoli | eh. | 15:30 |
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kimmoli | well, i can see 2 favorites and the page scroll | 15:30 |
kimmoli | ah. no.sorry. | 15:30 |
Rikudou_Sennin | with that account, there should be 20 favorites right now | 15:32 |
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kimmoli | Rikudou_Sennin: yep, now scrolls ;) small tuning | 15:36 |
kimmoli | i'll fork and make a pr | 15:36 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | thanks :) | 15:38 |
kimmoli | added some comments | 15:41 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | kimmoli: thank you very much for your help, the package is now uploaded :) https://openrepos.net/content/rikudousennin/cyanide-happiness | 16:03 |
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kimmoli | np | 16:07 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | kimmoli: found another problem, there is PageHeader missing and first two items too | 16:15 |
Rikudou_Sennin | kimmoli: and on bottom are some missing items too | 16:15 |
coderus | Ron which page? | 16:17 |
coderus | Rikudou_Sennin: on which page? | 16:17 |
Rikudou_Sennin | coderus: Favorites page, https://github.com/RikudouSage/sailfish-cah/blob/master/qml/pages/Favourites.qml | 16:18 |
coderus | give screenshot please | 16:18 |
coderus | maybe your fav db corrupted | 16:19 |
coderus | i cant find any problems in qml at fquick look | 16:19 |
coderus | also dont do "INSERT INTO current_favorite (pic_id) VALUES ("+mid+")" ever | 16:20 |
coderus | use ? operator | 16:20 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | coderus: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8923820/Screenshot-15-12-15-17-19-43.png | 16:21 |
Rikudou_Sennin | coderus: what do you mean by ? operator? | 16:21 |
coderus | ? operator in db actions | 16:22 |
urjaman | i suppose "VALUES (?)" but then i dont know this syntax | 16:22 |
urjaman | he means prepared statements i think | 16:22 |
coderus | tx.executeSql('INSERT INTO Greeting VALUES(?, ?)', [ 'hello', 'world' ]); | 16:22 |
Rikudou_Sennin | coderus: in the list, there should be two more items at the beginning | 16:22 |
Rikudou_Sennin | coderus: ok, I will remember :) | 16:22 |
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coderus | Rikudou_Sennin: so what happens when you scroll it? | 16:23 |
Rikudou_Sennin | it does not scroll before the Goatee item | 16:23 |
kimmoli | coderus: it does show shorter scrollable than it is | 16:23 |
kimmoli | it shows column from middle | 16:24 |
coderus | remove anchors.fill: parent from Page | 16:24 |
Rikudou_Sennin | coderus: works now, great!!! | 16:24 |
coderus | :) | 16:25 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | QML is kind of different from all languages I ever worked with :) | 16:25 |
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kimmoli | ah it messed up with orientation. page parent was portrait | 16:27 |
kimmoli | tjsp | 16:27 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | kimmoli or coderus: don't you know why the local database is not deleted, when you delete the app? | 17:17 |
kimmoli | if it is not mentioned in .spec, it is not deleted. | 17:19 |
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coderus | Rikudou_Sennin: local settings are not supposed to be deleted on application uninstall | 17:22 |
Rikudou_Sennin | Ah, so it's intended? Then it's okay, I was not sure if it's bad to leave some trash after uninstall. | 17:23 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | and one more question, where the file is located? | 17:26 |
kimmoli | ./.local/share/CaH/CaH/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases | 17:26 |
kimmoli | . = /home/nemo/ | 17:26 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | kimmoli: thanks :) are there other ways of storing local data? | 17:28 |
coderus | Rikudou_Sennin: why? | 17:30 |
Rikudou_Sennin | coderus: Just in case there is something better, QML is totally new to me | 17:31 |
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kimmoli | you can make your own c++ wrappers but maybe not worth of it | 17:32 |
coderus | Rikudou_Sennin: org.nemomobile.configuration | 17:32 |
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kimmoli | https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/nemo-qml-plugin-configuration/ | 17:33 |
kimmoli | but that is not for "data", values and stuff | 17:33 |
kimmoli | and remember to change import org.nemomobile.Configuration to org.nemomobile.configuration | 17:34 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | thank you both, will experiment :) where did you learn so much about Sailfish? It seems to me, that it pretty much lacks good documentation | 17:35 |
kimmoli | trial and error ;) | 17:37 |
kimmoli | coderus nows how to code, i don't. i just haxor thing together | 17:37 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | what phone do you use? original Jolla? | 17:40 |
Rikudou_Sennin | 'cause I'm really thinking about buying Nexus 5 and flashing Sailfish | 17:41 |
Rikudou_Sennin | and am not sure how good it is :) | 17:41 |
Coolgeek | but you will loose android support I think | 17:42 |
Coolgeek | as it is part of the jolla | 17:42 |
Coolgeek | unless there is another android runtime you could use | 17:42 |
locusf | preliminary Android support is coming | 17:42 |
Rikudou_Sennin | Coolgeek: yeah, I read about it, but I don't believe it is hardware related and thus I think it could be ripped off of the original Jolla | 17:42 |
locusf | by krnlyng | 17:42 |
Rikudou_Sennin | also there is apkenv, which I read works for some apps, so I will see | 17:43 |
Rikudou_Sennin | I really like the Jolla phone, but in my simple math, 2 GB is more than one :) | 17:43 |
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coderus | Rikudou_Sennin: currently no android support at all for 3rd party devices. | 17:47 |
coderus | AT ALL | 17:47 |
Rikudou_Sennin | coderus: do you know how is this possible? Correct me if I'm wrong with the part about not being hardware related | 17:48 |
coderus | its very related to hardware | 17:48 |
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locusf | http://piratepad.net/FtZYtm4tDY | 17:50 |
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r0kk3rz | yeah its a bit of a hacky work in progress really, i wouldnt be basing any purchasing decisions around it | 17:51 |
r0kk3rz | but with the nx5 you can always multirom it for whatever androidy bits you want | 17:52 |
Rikudou_Sennin | locusf: is it tested? | 17:52 |
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locusf | Rikudou_Sennin: somewhat | 17:55 |
locusf | I guess | 17:55 |
locusf | I've yet to even get the darn sources | 17:55 |
Rikudou_Sennin | I wish I understood those things, but it's far beyond my knowledge | 17:56 |
r0kk3rz | Rikudou_Sennin: there are ways of increasing ones knowledge | 17:57 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | r0kk3rz: believe me, I tried, but I just can't get the hardware-software communication thing to my head :) | 17:59 |
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r0kk3rz | Rikudou_Sennin: you understand what RAM is yes? and memory locations, communication with hardware is basically the same as that | 18:03 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | r0kk3rz: well, if you say it that way, it sounds easy :) but when I tried e.g. port Sailfish to my phone (reading the official guide), it was just too much | 18:06 |
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r0kk3rz | Rikudou_Sennin: yeah thats not so much about hardware is about knowing loads about linux and how it does what it does | 18:08 |
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r0kk3rz | majority of which is software related, not really hardware stuff | 18:08 |
r0kk3rz | and the fact that qcom butcher the linux kernel for different SoCs and the like | 18:09 |
Rikudou_Sennin | r0kk3rz: maybe I'll give it another try :) but Linux to the core is not much my thing either, I'm used to working with server things with linux | 18:10 |
r0kk3rz | Rikudou_Sennin: yeah theres lots to learn, and the critical mass of knowledge seems to be quite large | 18:10 |
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r0kk3rz | the HADK has seen a few revisions over time that have made it a bit easier though | 18:11 |
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locusf | not too large IMO | 18:12 |
locusf | the actual adaptation creation is not too difficult | 18:13 |
locusf | the trouble comes after | 18:13 |
krnlyng | coderus: AT ALL? http://postimg.org/image/5yet6j5vd | 18:13 |
r0kk3rz | locusf: it also helps to not blindly follow along and understand that x is connected to y which is connected to z which is related to q | 18:14 |
coderus | krnlyng: i mean for regular users :) | 18:14 |
coderus | get something, install and profit | 18:14 |
locusf | r0kk3rz: yes | 18:14 |
coderus | krnlyng: also, give me these for Jolla Phone please :) | 18:14 |
Rikudou_Sennin | r0kk3rz: I'm quite quick learner, so maybe I will try it some day, if it's a bit easier now, I read the first public version | 18:15 |
krnlyng | coderus: i don't want to start porting android to my jolla therefore no :D | 18:15 |
locusf | there is a way to get a android base system source code for sbj | 18:16 |
locusf | Stskeeps: happen to have a link handy to that monster repo? | 18:16 |
Rikudou_Sennin | /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Rikudou_Sennin spqpywafgavy | 18:18 |
coderus | thx | 18:18 |
urjaman | *cringe* | 18:18 |
Rikudou_Sennin | damn white spaces :D | 18:19 |
r0kk3rz | erm | 18:19 |
ttyp0 | :) | 18:19 |
r0kk3rz | Rikudou_Sennin: fyi this channel is logged | 18:19 |
ttyp0 | so just change the password | 18:19 |
Rikudou_Sennin | r0kk3rz: yeah I know, but there is no password in that command :D | 18:20 |
urjaman | iirc that code is a one use verify ... but i'm not sure | 18:20 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | urjaman: exactly :) | 18:20 |
r0kk3rz | just a friendly reminder | 18:20 |
coderus | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos/%23sailfishos.2015-12-15.log.html#t2015-12-15T18:18:41 | 18:20 |
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urjaman | anyways a good idea to give commands to the server window/tab/wtvr, not others :) | 18:21 |
Rikudou_Sennin | it's a long time since I used IRC, five years I think :) | 18:21 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | have any of you tested some of the other alternate operating systems? like Ubuntu etc. | 18:22 |
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r0kk3rz | Rikudou_Sennin: ive played around with ubuntu touch | 18:23 |
Rikudou_Sennin | r0kk3rz: and how does it feel? | 18:23 |
r0kk3rz | its ok i guess, took me way too long to get past the lockscreen though | 18:24 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | r0kk3rz: better or worse than Sailfish, in your opinion? | 18:24 |
r0kk3rz | be better if it allowed you to swap orientations, ie right to left | 18:25 |
r0kk3rz | since its very left edge orientated | 18:25 |
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r0kk3rz | thats where loads of the actions are started, where the launcher is .etc | 18:25 |
r0kk3rz | i much prefer sailfish | 18:25 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | r0kk3rz: thanks :) Sailfish kind of pissed me off when they made the opinion to show events view only by swiping from left | 18:27 |
Rikudou_Sennin | and I also miss the old covers | 18:27 |
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r0kk3rz | yeah its a bit of a shame that 2,0 dropped when it did | 18:28 |
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r0kk3rz | since theres no tablet, and if theres a jollaocalypse then it wont get more polished | 18:28 |
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locusf | its myriads product | 18:29 |
locusf | so no | 18:29 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | I hope Jolla (company) will be fine, as I'm one of those guys who like to play with their devices as much as possible :) | 18:31 |
oh8gnz | ui in 1.x was better than in 2.x | 18:31 |
Rikudou_Sennin | oh8gnz: I like some of the UI changes in 2.0, but some were far better in 1.x | 18:31 |
r0kk3rz | well 1.0 was a mostly polished idea, slowly developed over the last 2-3 years or so | 18:32 |
r0kk3rz | but 2.0 is new, and a bit rough around the edges | 18:32 |
Rikudou_Sennin | r0kk3rz: and for those things, we have patches :D | 18:32 |
r0kk3rz | yeah there is that i guess | 18:32 |
oh8gnz | the finger sweep actions were better in 1.x | 18:33 |
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oh8gnz | I liked to get phone closed by sweeping down from top | 18:33 |
Rikudou_Sennin | oh8gnz: It's still possible, or not? I'm not sure if it's a patch or OS function | 18:34 |
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Rikudou_Sennin | the action I really miss is the cover actions, the sweeping over them felt so natural | 18:34 |
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fledermaus | sweeping form the top brings the ambience list, the top one of which is "lock" | 18:35 |
coderus | oh8gnz: what "phone close" means? | 18:36 |
Rikudou_Sennin | fledermaus: yeah, so it's not patch, I just hid all the ambiences and have only lock there | 18:38 |
kimmoli | coderus: you know what it means. lock. now you get the em... just powermenu2 :) | 18:38 |
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coderus | kimmoli: thans for reminding. i need to fix one bug there... | 18:46 |
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xkr47 | phdeswer, https://gist.github.com/xkr47/631a4d9432c879a27a00 | 21:15 |
phdeswer | xkr47: I see I understood what you wanted, but it is not really sane. It's more sane to just get the data from the pc using dhcp on the phone. | 21:17 |
phdeswer | Which is technically already possible. Just realized it is not completely mode independant atm | 21:17 |
phdeswer | So pc shares internet, phone connects and get dhcp info from pc (so ip, gateway and dns) and all is good to go | 21:18 |
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phdeswer | Just the opposite of what happens when the phone shares the internet connection | 21:19 |
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xkr47 | phdeswer, how about when I need to share internet in the other direction? | 21:31 |
phdeswer | xkr47: when you share internet from the pc, the phone becomes the client basically. So you make it behave the same as the pc does, when you use the phone to connect to the net | 21:32 |
xkr47 | do you mean the one sharing internet is always also acting as dhcp server? | 21:33 |
phdeswer | yes | 21:33 |
phdeswer | That is the standard way to do it. See for example your router at home | 21:34 |
xkr47 | then how does the pc know, when it notices the usb interface coming up, whether it should run a dhcp server or a client? | 21:34 |
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xkr47 | yes I know, but I don't know how to make it work both ways dynamically | 21:34 |
phdeswer | Well there is no real easy way as there is data that cannot be guessed. | 21:36 |
xkr47 | in my proposal there is no guessing needed | 21:36 |
xkr47 | the roles are always the same, and the phone coordinates which way the sharing goes | 21:37 |
xkr47 | dhcp roles* | 21:37 |
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xkr47 | it is not the standard way of doing it sure, but to me it feels clean and should work by the user just selecting either "developer mode" or "internet sharing mode" on the phone after connecting the cable | 21:38 |
phdeswer | xkr47: you still have to manually put data in the phone. To be honest you could just set that in the config for developer mode already if you don't mind doing it like that. | 21:38 |
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phdeswer | See https://github.com/philippedeswert/usb-moded/blob/master/docs/usb_moded-doc.txt starting from around line 120 | 21:39 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, what data? | 21:39 |
phdeswer | ip to use, gateway at least | 21:40 |
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xkr47 | phdeswer, you mean I have to manually configure the usb-moded files? | 21:51 |
phdeswer | xkr47: you can do that, and it would give you what you are looking for. | 21:52 |
phdeswer | That's the nice thing about this all, you even get the documentation. ;) | 21:52 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, yeah.. currently the "gateway" setting is global, so I will probably need to add dynmode support for overriding the global gateway setting (so I can have it just in developer mode) | 21:52 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, and then I need to add code for providing the dns entry to connman or /etc/resolv.conf | 21:53 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, and then I need to try if connman works | 21:53 |
phdeswer | Well connman is the big problem here... | 21:54 |
xkr47 | :) | 21:54 |
xkr47 | do you have any notes on connman with regards to this? | 21:54 |
xkr47 | or is there some good documentation resources on how connman works, apis etc? | 21:54 |
xkr47 | is connman like an alternative to network-manager or what is its role? | 21:55 |
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phdeswer | yes it is a network manager alternative | 21:56 |
phdeswer | And looking at the code the only thing that is not really working is the dbus bit to tell connman how to set up the interface in usb_network_up. | 21:56 |
phdeswer | And actually part of it could probably be by-passed if no fixed ip is needed. | 21:57 |
xkr47 | you mean the "dbus_message_new_method_call("net.connman", service, "net.connman.Service", "SetProperty"))" block is not working as it is now? | 21:57 |
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xkr47 | I looked a bit at the code in usb_network_up and tried manually running the "GetServices" call on the command line | 22:00 |
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phdeswer | yes, it's crashing. I must be doing something wrong there. | 22:00 |
xkr47 | lol | 22:00 |
xkr47 | well I have connman's source code as well, need to dig deep :) | 22:00 |
xkr47 | anyway the result I got from GetServices was just the cellular modem, "gadget" was not in the list | 22:00 |
phdeswer | for the command line dbus stuff, check docs/dbus-send-test.txt | 22:01 |
xkr47 | is this something that is enabled elsewhere or am I missing something? | 22:01 |
phdeswer | Well that was another issue. Connman has been too slow to notice the network interface was there. Well usb-moded has now some delayed network retry so it might not be an issue anymore. | 22:02 |
xkr47 | great | 22:02 |
phdeswer | It might still be blacklisted also in the connman config due to being so unreliable | 22:02 |
xkr47 | I did not see the "gadget" even a minute after connecting the cable tho | 22:02 |
xkr47 | hehe | 22:02 |
xkr47 | I think the gadget was listed in the GetTechnologies listing though | 22:03 |
xkr47 | need to check | 22:03 |
xkr47 | maybe there's some enable flag that is in the wrong position :) | 22:04 |
xkr47 | aha there you go, dbus-send-test talks about that | 22:04 |
dr_gogeta86 | hi phdeswer, | 22:04 |
dr_gogeta86 | did happen to you dbus doesn't start at all | 22:04 |
dr_gogeta86 | ? | 22:04 |
xkr47 | phdeswer, thanks for all your input, will try tomorrow | 22:05 |
phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: has happend. | 22:05 |
phdeswer | xkr47: np. Ask more if you run into some issue | 22:05 |
xkr47 | thanks | 22:05 |
phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: but that has been ages ago | 22:05 |
phdeswer | But if you are referring to your very slowly booting device I mentioned that I saw these weird delays which I found weirdly similar to dbus timeouts | 22:06 |
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dr_gogeta86 | I'm near to give up totally on that | 22:08 |
dr_gogeta86 | but why even systemd is slow | 22:09 |
dr_gogeta86 | ? | 22:09 |
dr_gogeta86 | in a point when dbus isn't started yet | 22:09 |
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phdeswer | well systemd relies on dbus.... | 22:14 |
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dr_gogeta86 | who starts systemd or dbus | 22:22 |
dr_gogeta86 | ? | 22:22 |
leszek | dr_gogeta86: systemd is the init system so basically the initrd (if something like that exists or the kernel starts it as its first programm) | 22:25 |
leszek | dbus is then started by systemd as a service | 22:25 |
phdeswer | and systemd should start dbus. But it seems to have a backup... since systemd still manages to boot, doing something after a dbus call has timed out (~30s) | 22:26 |
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dr_gogeta86 | phdeswer, at this point f* lg g3 | 22:32 |
dr_gogeta86 | :-D | 22:32 |
dr_gogeta86 | is just for accademia | 22:32 |
dr_gogeta86 | good night | 22:32 |
phdeswer | I blame systemd ;) | 22:32 |
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