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| Ingvix | got the somewhat sharper stylus pen today. It does work quite fine for its price as it was the cheapest on ebay. The heads glueing wasn't so good as it sort of came off but I can glue it back. If the drawing angle drops under about 45 degrees the screen won't react to the pen. Otherwise pretty good for a little doodeling | 08:29 |
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| Ingvix | a presentation of my great artistic skills and jolla http://puu.sh/m5M7O/e687327240.png | 08:40 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 09:48 |
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| leszek | hi | 11:12 |
| leszek | what was the email address to answer harbour inbox messages again ? | 11:14 |
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| Nrsisti | leszek: you mean developer-care ? | 11:25 |
| leszek | Nrsisti: ah ok. Yeah exactly | 11:25 |
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| leszek | found the email adress :P | 11:26 |
| Nrsisti | leszek: I guess you have some questions about webcat? :D | 11:27 |
| leszek | Nrsisti: yeah exactly e-mail send. | 11:27 |
| leszek | Nrsisti: also if someone from the developer care could fix the automatic mail, because it states "replays" but should actually spelled "replies" as answers are meant I guess :P | 11:28 |
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| Nrsisti | leszek: I but typo on approve message "about button" should be "abort button" | 11:31 |
| leszek | Nrsisti: ah ok. Will check that. Though it really looks awful lot like a kernel crash to me | 11:32 |
| leszek | Nrsisti: and I tried now 5 videos downloading and hitting abort without hitting that issue. Can you reproduce it everytime ? If yes on tablet or on phone ? (or virtual machine) | 11:33 |
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| Nrsisti | leszek: hmm maybe it is somehow related to that previous thing that I can not watch videos and when trying to download it and pressing abort it happens | 11:38 |
| Nrsisti | leszek: and tbh I can not even see Finnish videos even though I am in Finland :D | 11:40 |
| leszek | Nrsisti: thats strange indeed. | 11:40 |
| leszek | Never had any error report like that before. Hmm... your not sitting behind a firewall or an obscure vpn network that might block those videos ? | 11:41 |
| Nrsisti | leszek: ok after singing into google account, videos start to play atleast finnish ones | 11:44 |
| leszek | ah ok. Then this was the error | 11:44 |
| leszek | strange that youtube blocks them though. Might have to do with age verification (at least I know that here in germany for some videos) | 11:45 |
| Nrsisti | maybe somekind of info on description text to store would be nice to have :) | 11:45 |
| leszek | yeah I will add that. And I will also add a proper error message for the "Forbidden" error | 11:46 |
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| cvp | taixzo_: nice work with the keyboard, works very well. How can help you to add german lang/dictionaries ? | 11:51 |
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| cvp | how i can open the *.tre, predict-en.db and predict-en.ng files? sqlite cant open the db file, figtree cant open the *.tre files | 12:33 |
| cvp | a bit more information about okboard will be nice | 12:34 |
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| cvp | oh i see okboard and yours is different project ^^ | 12:40 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | Hey guys, is anyone here with experience developing bluetooth applications on sailfish OS? | 12:40 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | I'd have a question regarding RFCOMM server functionality | 12:41 |
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| ArmsOfSorrow | I'm planning to migrate my current project to Qt/Sailfish OS, but I need to know if it's possible to create a bluetooth connection between 2 Sailfish OS devices | 12:42 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | Basically a simple client/server setup | 12:42 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | I was working on UWP (Windows) before that, but their BT APIs are non-functional | 12:43 |
| tbr | if it's just for yourself, then you have all the power of linux and coming up with your own endpoints should be no problem | 12:50 |
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| ArmsOfSorrow | tbr: I just want to make sure it's going to actually work. Qt doc says its BT functions are implemented on Linux with BlueZ 4.x which Sailfish OS is using AFAIK, but MS doc also says they have RFCOMM implemented on Windows 10, which is not true (or at least not working as of today) | 13:02 |
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| tbr | you don't even have to use Qt for it | 13:03 |
| * tbr has used rfcomm in the past directly on his laptop (needed to connect to a bluetooth modem) | 13:03 | |
| urjaman | rfcomm server is a little bit different to setup | 13:05 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | I'd like to, though, because I could also publish on Android then and reach more people | 13:05 |
| urjaman | (that connect to modem is rfcomm client) | 13:05 |
| urjaman | but yeah bluez can do it, the documentation is horrible/non-existent but whatever | 13:05 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | ok, I think I'm gonna give it a shot. Can't be worse than UWP's overpromised and underdelivering BT API | 13:06 |
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| sledges | https://twitter.com/sledgeSim/status/679647138305970177 | 13:12 |
| sledges | \o/ | 13:12 |
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| jusa_ | cool | 13:22 |
| leszek | ok added now proper error handling + messages and help to webcat & LLs vPlayer. Commited to git already. Will arrive with next versions :) | 13:23 |
| leszek | Nrsisti: thanks for pointing that out. Also found a bug that the error messages I had before never displayed since the translation from video player page to video player component embedded into tab | 13:24 |
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| R-Z | seems like the jolla launcher for android is dead | 17:59 |
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| leszek | R-Z: wasn't it outdated anyways ? | 18:04 |
| R-Z | well, last update was in june of 2014 from what i can remember | 18:05 |
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| leszek | yeah exactly and it replicated the SailfishOS 1.0 interface | 18:05 |
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| locusf | hmm isn't sletta here? | 19:34 |
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| ArmsOfSorrow | Hey guys, I've got a question about harbour publishing restrictions. | 19:44 |
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| ArmsOfSorrow | In my app I'd need a background server process that does Bluetooth communication. Are there any restrictions with publishing an app with that kind of setup? | 19:45 |
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| kimmoli | yes | 19:51 |
| kimmoli | no daemons | 19:51 |
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| ArmsOfSorrow | Hm...is there another way to do real-time communication when the app is in the background? | 20:01 |
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| kimmoli | when it is in background (screen on) it is multitasking. when screen is on, you can use nemo-keepalive to wake up periodically | 20:04 |
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| kimmoli | .. screen off to latter one | 20:06 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | And when the screen is off? | 20:07 |
| kimmoli | display is blanked | 20:07 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | Btw, I'd also need background audio playback. Are there any samples? | 20:07 |
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| kimmoli | there are some musicplayers, just search propably github | 20:10 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | Alright, just looked at nemo-keepalive, but it's too little for my use case. Do background services work with Android apps? If not, I'm just gonna go the daemon route. | 20:13 |
| kimmoli | daemons will also sleep | 20:14 |
| kimmoli | you need to request to keep the phone awake anyway | 20:14 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | So, basically I'd need to request awake every time it sleeps, but that'd interrupt connection and audio playback, which in turn would make for a crappy user experience. There has to be a way to keep running in the background, I mean otherwise you couldn't even implement a music player that works without the screen on. | 20:17 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | ...at least to continue running when there is an active socket or audio is being played. | 20:17 |
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| kimmoli | audioplaying keeps it awake, if done correctly | 20:21 |
| kimmoli | afaik | 20:21 |
| kimmoli | and you can prevent it from going to sleep also | 20:22 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | When the screen is off as well? | 20:23 |
| ArmsOfSorrow | I gotta look up some audio code samples. | 20:23 |
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| ArmsOfSorrow | I also found qtService, but I don't know if that works on sailfish os. As it's basically Linux there shouldn't be a problem, but I could imagine that mer/nemo impose some restrictions since they're mobile optimized after all | 20:25 |
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| Welshman | Hi everyone 'in' this room. Also, just a quick question: Is the Sailfish OS available in an .iso format (to be 'burnt' onto an USB flash drive/pen drive) and can it be installed onto a laptop and/or notebook? Thanks. :) | 21:05 |
| stephg | Welshman: out of the box no, but with a bit of hacking it probably could be done | 21:06 |
| stephg | (not quite sure why you'd want to however) | 21:06 |
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| Welshman | stephg: Thanks for reply. Reason why: Am using Linux Mint on laptop (ex-Windows user) but wanting to move onto something better! Also, my wife is using Windows 7 on notebook but wanting to upgrade to 10. But if I can find an OS that is better than L M then she could move on to something better!! Thanks. :) | 21:10 |
| Coolg33k | sfOS is not mean to be on a PC | 21:10 |
| stephg | Welshman: well sailfish is primarily for touch devices | 21:10 |
| Coolg33k | it's a OS for mobile phone | 21:11 |
| tathhu | stephg, omg why i'm following you on twitter | 21:11 |
| tathhu | TIL | 21:11 |
| stephg | tathhu ? | 21:11 |
| tathhu | stephg, that m7-port you linked today | 21:13 |
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| stephg | oh yeah | 21:14 |
| Welshman | Coolg33k + stephg: Any ideas or suggestions of a free OS (iso format) that are available for download for a laptop and/or notebook other than the usual 'popular' ones BSD etc? Thanks. :) | 21:15 |
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| Coolg33k | depend on your technical knowledge and how much you want to spend time on it customizing | 21:15 |
| Welshman | Coolg33k: Are you 'talking' about programming?: "depend on your technical knowledge". I know quite a bit about computing but nothing about programming except very basic BASIC: 10 A=1; 20 B=2; 30 C=A + B; 40 Print C; 50 Goto 40! Also, is 'customizing' the same or similar to 'technical knowledge'? Thanks. :) | 21:23 |
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| Coolg33k | no, I don't mean programming | 21:24 |
| Coolg33k | I mean that you can / want to use the command line | 21:24 |
| Coolg33k | how well you know the shell to do admin stuf like install or cutomize your os / desktop | 21:24 |
| Welshman | Or DOS? | 21:25 |
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| Coolg33k | customize is ! installing the software you want and not the one that come pre package with the iso, installing themes, creating shortcuts or keybind, having a clean desktop or an eye candy one, ... | 21:26 |
| r0kk3rz | Welshman: fedora, ubuntu, mint, debian | 21:26 |
| r0kk3rz | take your pick | 21:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | they all generally 'just work' | 21:26 |
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| Coolg33k | void linux, arch, gentoo, centos, | 21:26 |
| r0kk3rz | but if you dont know what desktop environment you like, then its hard to give good suggestions | 21:27 |
| r0kk3rz | arch is awesome, but its a bit of a baptism of fire | 21:27 |
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| Coolg33k | yup, that's why I asked those questions before :) | 21:28 |
| urjaman | after gentoo, arch is chill :P | 21:29 |
| Welshman | Coolg33k: I have already 'done' some of that on Windows and Linux Mint: "installing the software you want and not the one that come pre package, installing themes, creating shortcuts, having a clean desktop or an eye candy one..."! | 21:31 |
| rengel | how about slackware? ;) | 21:31 |
| eugenio | lfs? | 21:31 |
| Welshman | Coolg33k: Mainly Linux Mint! | 21:31 |
| Coolg33k | so debian like then | 21:31 |
| r0kk3rz | Welshman: what do you dislike about mint? | 21:32 |
| Welshman | Coolg33k: Even though I am using L M at the moment I am not entirely satisfied with this edition/version of it. Waiting for the upgrade to be released on iso to see if it is 'better' than this edition/version - suppose to be better/improved! :) | 21:34 |
| Coolg33k | waht do you dislike ? | 21:35 |
| Welshman | r0kk3rz: L M: One reason why I am not entirely satisfied with this OS is that it does not have a huge or large library of free games and no popular games like 'hidden objects'. Another reason is a standard 'games package' was not included with the OS. Also, another reason: the small vertical scrollbar! :) | 21:39 |
| r0kk3rz | Welshman: yeah not sure any other linux os is particularly better in the games department | 21:41 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe you should look into installing steam on mint | 21:41 |
| Coolg33k | you will find the same game across distro | 21:41 |
| Coolg33k | and for the scroll bar, it is theme related | 21:42 |
| Coolg33k | that you can change | 21:42 |
| Coolg33k | with steam, there won't be free | 21:42 |
| Coolg33k | have to go, cya | 21:43 |
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| Welshman | r0kk3rz: Sorry to disturb, but did you 'get' or receive my message. Reason why I ask is because I will be leaving this room soon. Look forward to your reply, if appropiate! Thanks. :) | 21:49 |
| r0kk3rz | Welshman: i replied above, when it comes to a large catelogue of free games nothing really comes to mind | 21:50 |
| Welshman | r0kk3rz: Yes, but as I 'said': "Did install Steam. But did not like as there were no true free games only demos and trials. So I uninstalled!". Thanks. :) | 21:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | Welshman: oh, no i didnt get that. yeah steam isnt the best solution, but it does have a growing list of linux games | 21:53 |
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| Welshman | r0kk3rz: So, my 'quest' continues! Unless, of course, you have any more ideas or suggestion (OS)? :) | 21:55 |
| Welshman | Not Linux, of course! | 21:55 |
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| tathhu | Windows | 22:00 |
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