Tuesday, 2016-02-02

r0kk3rztadzik: not silica as such00:01
r0kk3rzhttps://github.com/M4rtinK/universal-components00:02
tadzikoh this is lovely00:05
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tadzikI can now dump my "Fakefish" module :P00:05
tadzikthough it only supports the subset of Silica as I see, eg Slider doesn't have label or valueText00:08
tadzikpatches welcome, I guess :)00:09
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r0kk3rztadzik: correct00:11
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arvutis YTplayer supposed to crash everytime you play a sound from another app/shutdown another app?10:34
arvutotherwise, really nice app, huge likes10:34
Teguit started doing that after I updated Sailfish OS to Saimaa10:35
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WalterHi10:52
WalterSince a day I have a weird problem on my Jolla10:52
WalterAll apps drop like flies, as if they run out of memory10:53
WalterTo the point that I cannot start anything anymore10:53
WalterThis affects both native and Android apps10:53
WalterAnyone who has any thoughts?10:54
stephgWalter: btrfs fi sh10:54
stephgcheck your free space10:54
WalterI suppose I should run that command in the shell?10:55
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stephgWalter: yeah, as root10:59
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Walter:-(11:05
Walteram getting an authentication failure with su11:05
kimmolidevel-su11:05
Walterdespite using the right password11:05
urjamandevel-su11:05
Walterah, thanks11:05
kimmoliurjaman: gettin slow? :P11:05
Walter[root@Jolla nemo]# btrfs fi sh11:06
WalterERROR: unable get label Inappropriate ioctl for device11:06
WalterLabel: 'sailfish'  uuid: 71cd63b2-4335-4158-8685-55c06cb17895 Total devices 1 FS bytes used 5.74GiB11:06
urjamandarn-it :P11:06
Walter        devid    1 size 13.75GiB used 13.09GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p2811:06
WalterBtrfs v3.1611:06
kimmolialmost full. balancing recommended.11:06
stephgyeah11:07
Walterany pointers on how to do that?11:07
Walterwebpages etc11:07
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stephgWalter: plug your phone into a charger, and run btrfs balance /11:08
stephgmay take up to an hour11:08
stephgWalter: there's a tjc, sec11:08
kimmolior 24hours11:08
Walterok, then I'll wait till I'm home11:08
stephghttps://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/11:09
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stephgthat may not be your problem but as kimmoli says you're nearly out of space and all sorts of weird things go on when that happens11:09
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kimmoliah, there is scripted interface for balance now11:10
stephgoh yeah11:10
stephgjust reading all of that11:10
stephgthis doc has changed since the last time I looked11:10
kimmoliyeah, in Stephgember 201511:11
stephghahaha11:11
WalterWell, it's a relief11:12
Waltersince I was getting paranoid11:12
Walteranother silly question11:12
Walterthe /mnt/sdcard, should that be a symlink to /data/sdcard or vice versa? Because I messed that up11:13
stephg/mnt/sdcard would only be if you're in recovery11:14
stephgyou can do a balance when the phone is running (indeed that happens now before an update)11:14
WalterI'd like to shift all my Android apps to the SD Card11:14
Walterand screwed up symlinking at some point11:15
Waltereither way, thanks for the help so far11:15
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stephgoh I see11:16
stephgsorry11:16
stephgpass, don't know11:16
stephgnot done that11:16
stephgagain there will be instructions on tjc11:17
Walterok, will RTFM then11:17
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stephgwell good luck Walter :)11:21
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Walter__also a reboot requires the battery to be pulled out12:38
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chem|stWalter__: look on TJC for my how to btrfs the sdcard to share space with android12:59
chem|stWalter__: and /data/sdcard is android, the µSD is /media/sdcard that is bindmount to /opt/alien/media/sdcard13:01
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chem|stWalter__: and /mnt/sdcard is symlinked to /home/nemo/android_storage13:06
Walter__chem|st: thanks13:06
chem|stwhich is actually a fuse mount of /data/media13:06
chem|stWalter__: any time ;)13:07
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* Walter__ is rather baffled by the amount of command line tweaking that is needed for this13:07
chem|stWalter__: for what?13:08
Walter__using the memory card this way13:08
Walter__but I had been tinkering with symlinks13:08
Walter__and ever since it claims not to see the memory card13:08
Walter__so I thought that it was because of those symlinks13:09
chem|sttidy up your symlink mess eg remove all symlinks you did and then follow my instructions on TJC13:09
Walter__well, that's what I thought you did, but now I have removed symlinks that should be there, e.g. the one to /home/nemo/android_storage13:10
Walter__because I thought I had put it there13:10
chem|sthehe13:10
chem|stI did no symlinking13:10
chem|stever13:10
Walter__I thought I was clever by symlinking /home/nemo/android_storage to the SD card13:11
chem|stdon't know if that would even work13:11
Walter__but per usual got the order of the ln -s arguments wrong13:11
chem|stit probably does not survive a reboot13:12
Walter__... and the Jolla is completely unresponsive within five minutes of booting again13:12
chem|stafter 5min or the first 5minutes?13:13
Walter__after13:14
Walter__maybe ten13:14
Walter__but not much more13:14
Walter__spontaneous reboot now13:14
chem|stdisable android autostart, as you seem to messed that up this might cause various issues13:15
chem|stbtrfs is balanced I guess?13:15
Walter__yes, although its allocation has grown from 59% to 66% already13:16
Walter__how do I do that?13:16
Walter__I've fixed the symlink now13:18
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chem|stdo what?13:19
chem|st"since I can say that I can explain everything!"13:19
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Walter__You do realise that "disable android autostart" is not necessarily something that is recognisable to someone who has been using his Jolla through the GUI?13:21
Walter__as in, I'm happy to read up on tjc13:21
chem|stWalter__: it is in 2.0.1.7 you have a button for that13:22
Walter__ah, ok13:22
chem|stas you are in #sailfishos I guess you are a dev and have "latest"13:22
Walter__I'm not a dev13:23
Walter__I'm a lUser13:23
Walter__do have "latest" though13:23
chem|st;)13:23
Walter__as in, "latest public"13:23
Walter__either way, I got to run though13:23
Walter__job obligations13:23
Walter__thanks for bearing with me so far13:23
chem|stearly access is public, but not latest stable13:23
chem|stWalter__: yeah when I got time at hand later I wil try helping you further!13:24
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tadzikcan someone with a working SDK send me the values of Theme.paddingLarge and Theme.itemSizeSmall (for the phone, if that matters)?14:59
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coderustadzik: it dosnt matters15:40
coderusyou should use theme15:40
tadzikif it's available, yes15:41
tadzikI'm rolling out a set of components that aim to be a drop-in replacement for Sailfish.Silica (at least as much as I need them for my project), so one can keep developing/testing it without the SDK15:42
tadzikso Theme is obviously nonexistent :) I created my own object for it, and wanted to fill it with some values that I already use15:43
tadzikso stuff keeps working and looks roughly alike15:43
coderusokay15:43
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M4rtinKtadzik: do you know https://github.com/M4rtinK/universal-components ?15:49
M4rtinK& https://github.com/M4rtinK/universal-components/blob/master/docs/api_spec.rst15:49
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tadzikM4rtinK: yes, I learned about it yesterday :)15:52
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tadzikand I may have a Sailfishy Slider to contribute to it, one that has label and valueText and all that15:52
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M4rtinKtadzik: cool! :)15:58
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tadzikI'd be very curious to see how Silica actually does some stuff16:13
coderustadzik: disassembly or decompile :D16:19
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M4rtinKan old snapshot of the QML part is here: https://github.com/dm8tbr/sailfishsilica-qt516:21
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M4rtinKcourtesy of tbr :)16:22
M4rtinK(the QML code is BSD, btw)16:22
tadzikoh, awesome, thanks :)16:22
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M4rtinKit's all on device also - in /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica16:34
M4rtinKthat way you can check the latest Silica QML code16:35
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vakkovturing phone, huh?17:37
vgrade:)17:37
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M4rtinKdoes it come with the tape ?17:45
M4rtinKotherwise the tape could be kinda hard to come by - kinda like the Jolla phone battery ;-)17:46
Stskeepstape..?17:47
vgradeturing machine17:47
Stskeepsah.17:48
Stskeepsotoh you can argue since it's turing complete, that it can run any OS17:48
Stskeeps:P17:48
M4rtinKwell, this has been actually my gripe for a long time17:53
M4rtinKall those general purpose computers all around (phones, tablets, etc.), all locked to a useless and or outdated OS17:54
M4rtinKprevented from running a general purpose OS by technical ineptitude of their creators or political decisions17:55
Teguye :(17:55
StskeepsM4rtinK: well, let's be fair, sometimes the general purpose OS'es aren't for general devices17:56
Stskeeps:P17:56
Stskeepsbut yeah, i get your point17:56
Stskeeps(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2IIoHNqJBs&feature=youtu.be )17:56
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M4rtinKwell, its surprising what range of hardware a generic Linux distro can cover17:58
M4rtinKand we are talking ~recent phones and tablets17:59
M4rtinKyou don't need to fit to a 4 MB flah and 32 MB of RAM like OpenWRT17:59
M4rtinK*flash17:59
M4rtinKpower saving could certainly be an issue18:00
M4rtinKas a proper UI18:00
M4rtinKbut both could be solved IMHO while keeping commonality with the distro18:00
M4rtinKcertainly not the reason to run years old hacked-to-hell forks incompatible with each other18:01
M4rtinKor even not having glibc compatibility (I'm looking at you Android...)18:02
r0kk3rzM4rtinK: how would you envision a touch based general purpose os?18:04
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M4rtinKthere are already variants in many distros - for example Workstation, Server & cloud for fedora18:04
M4rtinKwould be easy to image a "mobile" variant or even spin (a less official variant that is not release blocking in Fedora lingo)18:05
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M4rtinKr0kk3rz: I would imagine basically just a variant of the distro18:05
r0kk3rzM4rtinK: so something a bit more like plasma mobile or ubuntu touch then18:06
coderusM4rtinK: https://github.com/CODeRUS/better-sailfishos-qmltypes/tree/Sdk1511/Sailfish/Silica18:06
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: with some additional services handling power management & other mobile specific things (telephony, etc.)18:06
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: and then a UI shell on top18:06
r0kk3rzM4rtinK: i witnessed the ubuntu 'convergence' at FOSDEM, somewhat funny to see on a phone device18:06
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: possibly Plasma Mobile, Glacier, etc.18:07
StskeepsM4rtinK: did you see my new project announcement that i did at fosdem, ooi?18:07
M4rtinKStskeeps: yep :)18:07
Stskeepsas in, not cuteboot, but the human web18:07
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M4rtinKbut just basically just went through the slides quickly so far & read the annotation18:08
Stskeepsnod18:08
M4rtinKoh, nope, not that18:08
Stskeepshttps://github.com/thehumanweb/notes/wiki/InfoPackage18:08
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M4rtinKStskeeps: sounds very useful18:11
M4rtinKif it can be made work as described18:11
r0kk3rzStskeeps: maybe give people a brief intro before infodumping on them :P18:11
Stskeepsr0kk3rz: :P18:11
M4rtinKits still an unnecessary pain-in-the-ass to collaborate with a bunch of people18:12
M4rtinKquite often dependent on a (half broken) server hosted app18:12
r0kk3rzM4rtinK: correct18:12
M4rtinKeq. single point of failure18:12
StskeepsM4rtinK: it's even a pita to collaborate 1-to-118:13
M4rtinKso a single point (that is automagically distributed and secured) where to meet and collaborate18:13
M4rtinKwould be really useful18:13
M4rtinKStskeeps: that's already people - 2 people :D18:13
Stskeepsyeah.. :P18:13
M4rtinKeq. file transfer/etherpad/google docs/video/audio conference18:14
M4rtinKthat is distributed and secure would be very very useful18:14
M4rtinKfor a lot of stuff18:14
M4rtinKand could be extended even more18:15
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Stskeeps:)18:15
M4rtinKwiki, voting, calendaring, issue tracking, etc.18:15
M4rtinKsure, we have those now18:15
Stskeepsand not even distributed but decentralized18:15
M4rtinKbut usually at different but singular places18:16
M4rtinKthe fun when things go down and there is no one to fix it18:16
M4rtinKalso the initial barrier to setting things up18:17
M4rtinKwould be really cool18:17
M4rtinKif one could just "start a hash"18:17
M4rtinKwhich would provide all those collaboration tools18:17
Stskeepssounds like you should join #thehumanweb ;)18:18
M4rtinKthen distribute the has id to others18:18
M4rtinKI guess :)18:18
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OutBackDingobe nice to see this on a Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+20:36
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