r0kk3rz | tadzik: not silica as such | 00:01 |
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r0kk3rz | https://github.com/M4rtinK/universal-components | 00:02 |
tadzik | oh this is lovely | 00:05 |
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tadzik | I can now dump my "Fakefish" module :P | 00:05 |
tadzik | though it only supports the subset of Silica as I see, eg Slider doesn't have label or valueText | 00:08 |
tadzik | patches welcome, I guess :) | 00:09 |
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r0kk3rz | tadzik: correct | 00:11 |
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arvut | is YTplayer supposed to crash everytime you play a sound from another app/shutdown another app? | 10:34 |
arvut | otherwise, really nice app, huge likes | 10:34 |
Tegu | it started doing that after I updated Sailfish OS to Saimaa | 10:35 |
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Walter | Hi | 10:52 |
Walter | Since a day I have a weird problem on my Jolla | 10:52 |
Walter | All apps drop like flies, as if they run out of memory | 10:53 |
Walter | To the point that I cannot start anything anymore | 10:53 |
Walter | This affects both native and Android apps | 10:53 |
Walter | Anyone who has any thoughts? | 10:54 |
stephg | Walter: btrfs fi sh | 10:54 |
stephg | check your free space | 10:54 |
Walter | I suppose I should run that command in the shell? | 10:55 |
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stephg | Walter: yeah, as root | 10:59 |
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Walter | :-( | 11:05 |
Walter | am getting an authentication failure with su | 11:05 |
kimmoli | devel-su | 11:05 |
Walter | despite using the right password | 11:05 |
urjaman | devel-su | 11:05 |
Walter | ah, thanks | 11:05 |
kimmoli | urjaman: gettin slow? :P | 11:05 |
Walter | [root@Jolla nemo]# btrfs fi sh | 11:06 |
Walter | ERROR: unable get label Inappropriate ioctl for device | 11:06 |
Walter | Label: 'sailfish' uuid: 71cd63b2-4335-4158-8685-55c06cb17895 Total devices 1 FS bytes used 5.74GiB | 11:06 |
urjaman | darn-it :P | 11:06 |
Walter | devid 1 size 13.75GiB used 13.09GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 11:06 |
Walter | Btrfs v3.16 | 11:06 |
kimmoli | almost full. balancing recommended. | 11:06 |
stephg | yeah | 11:07 |
Walter | any pointers on how to do that? | 11:07 |
Walter | webpages etc | 11:07 |
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stephg | Walter: plug your phone into a charger, and run btrfs balance / | 11:08 |
stephg | may take up to an hour | 11:08 |
stephg | Walter: there's a tjc, sec | 11:08 |
kimmoli | or 24hours | 11:08 |
Walter | ok, then I'll wait till I'm home | 11:08 |
stephg | https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 11:09 |
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stephg | that may not be your problem but as kimmoli says you're nearly out of space and all sorts of weird things go on when that happens | 11:09 |
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kimmoli | ah, there is scripted interface for balance now | 11:10 |
stephg | oh yeah | 11:10 |
stephg | just reading all of that | 11:10 |
stephg | this doc has changed since the last time I looked | 11:10 |
kimmoli | yeah, in Stephgember 2015 | 11:11 |
stephg | hahaha | 11:11 |
Walter | Well, it's a relief | 11:12 |
Walter | since I was getting paranoid | 11:12 |
Walter | another silly question | 11:12 |
Walter | the /mnt/sdcard, should that be a symlink to /data/sdcard or vice versa? Because I messed that up | 11:13 |
stephg | /mnt/sdcard would only be if you're in recovery | 11:14 |
stephg | you can do a balance when the phone is running (indeed that happens now before an update) | 11:14 |
Walter | I'd like to shift all my Android apps to the SD Card | 11:14 |
Walter | and screwed up symlinking at some point | 11:15 |
Walter | either way, thanks for the help so far | 11:15 |
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stephg | oh I see | 11:16 |
stephg | sorry | 11:16 |
stephg | pass, don't know | 11:16 |
stephg | not done that | 11:16 |
stephg | again there will be instructions on tjc | 11:17 |
Walter | ok, will RTFM then | 11:17 |
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stephg | well good luck Walter :) | 11:21 |
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Walter__ | also a reboot requires the battery to be pulled out | 12:38 |
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chem|st | Walter__: look on TJC for my how to btrfs the sdcard to share space with android | 12:59 |
chem|st | Walter__: and /data/sdcard is android, the µSD is /media/sdcard that is bindmount to /opt/alien/media/sdcard | 13:01 |
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chem|st | Walter__: and /mnt/sdcard is symlinked to /home/nemo/android_storage | 13:06 |
Walter__ | chem|st: thanks | 13:06 |
chem|st | which is actually a fuse mount of /data/media | 13:06 |
chem|st | Walter__: any time ;) | 13:07 |
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* Walter__ is rather baffled by the amount of command line tweaking that is needed for this | 13:07 | |
chem|st | Walter__: for what? | 13:08 |
Walter__ | using the memory card this way | 13:08 |
Walter__ | but I had been tinkering with symlinks | 13:08 |
Walter__ | and ever since it claims not to see the memory card | 13:08 |
Walter__ | so I thought that it was because of those symlinks | 13:09 |
chem|st | tidy up your symlink mess eg remove all symlinks you did and then follow my instructions on TJC | 13:09 |
Walter__ | well, that's what I thought you did, but now I have removed symlinks that should be there, e.g. the one to /home/nemo/android_storage | 13:10 |
Walter__ | because I thought I had put it there | 13:10 |
chem|st | hehe | 13:10 |
chem|st | I did no symlinking | 13:10 |
chem|st | ever | 13:10 |
Walter__ | I thought I was clever by symlinking /home/nemo/android_storage to the SD card | 13:11 |
chem|st | don't know if that would even work | 13:11 |
Walter__ | but per usual got the order of the ln -s arguments wrong | 13:11 |
chem|st | it probably does not survive a reboot | 13:12 |
Walter__ | ... and the Jolla is completely unresponsive within five minutes of booting again | 13:12 |
chem|st | after 5min or the first 5minutes? | 13:13 |
Walter__ | after | 13:14 |
Walter__ | maybe ten | 13:14 |
Walter__ | but not much more | 13:14 |
Walter__ | spontaneous reboot now | 13:14 |
chem|st | disable android autostart, as you seem to messed that up this might cause various issues | 13:15 |
chem|st | btrfs is balanced I guess? | 13:15 |
Walter__ | yes, although its allocation has grown from 59% to 66% already | 13:16 |
Walter__ | how do I do that? | 13:16 |
Walter__ | I've fixed the symlink now | 13:18 |
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chem|st | do what? | 13:19 |
chem|st | "since I can say that I can explain everything!" | 13:19 |
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Walter__ | You do realise that "disable android autostart" is not necessarily something that is recognisable to someone who has been using his Jolla through the GUI? | 13:21 |
Walter__ | as in, I'm happy to read up on tjc | 13:21 |
chem|st | Walter__: it is in 2.0.1.7 you have a button for that | 13:22 |
Walter__ | ah, ok | 13:22 |
chem|st | as you are in #sailfishos I guess you are a dev and have "latest" | 13:22 |
Walter__ | I'm not a dev | 13:23 |
Walter__ | I'm a lUser | 13:23 |
Walter__ | do have "latest" though | 13:23 |
chem|st | ;) | 13:23 |
Walter__ | as in, "latest public" | 13:23 |
Walter__ | either way, I got to run though | 13:23 |
Walter__ | job obligations | 13:23 |
Walter__ | thanks for bearing with me so far | 13:23 |
chem|st | early access is public, but not latest stable | 13:23 |
chem|st | Walter__: yeah when I got time at hand later I wil try helping you further! | 13:24 |
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tadzik | can someone with a working SDK send me the values of Theme.paddingLarge and Theme.itemSizeSmall (for the phone, if that matters)? | 14:59 |
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coderus | tadzik: it dosnt matters | 15:40 |
coderus | you should use theme | 15:40 |
tadzik | if it's available, yes | 15:41 |
tadzik | I'm rolling out a set of components that aim to be a drop-in replacement for Sailfish.Silica (at least as much as I need them for my project), so one can keep developing/testing it without the SDK | 15:42 |
tadzik | so Theme is obviously nonexistent :) I created my own object for it, and wanted to fill it with some values that I already use | 15:43 |
tadzik | so stuff keeps working and looks roughly alike | 15:43 |
coderus | okay | 15:43 |
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M4rtinK | tadzik: do you know https://github.com/M4rtinK/universal-components ? | 15:49 |
M4rtinK | & https://github.com/M4rtinK/universal-components/blob/master/docs/api_spec.rst | 15:49 |
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tadzik | M4rtinK: yes, I learned about it yesterday :) | 15:52 |
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tadzik | and I may have a Sailfishy Slider to contribute to it, one that has label and valueText and all that | 15:52 |
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M4rtinK | tadzik: cool! :) | 15:58 |
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tadzik | I'd be very curious to see how Silica actually does some stuff | 16:13 |
coderus | tadzik: disassembly or decompile :D | 16:19 |
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M4rtinK | an old snapshot of the QML part is here: https://github.com/dm8tbr/sailfishsilica-qt5 | 16:21 |
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M4rtinK | courtesy of tbr :) | 16:22 |
M4rtinK | (the QML code is BSD, btw) | 16:22 |
tadzik | oh, awesome, thanks :) | 16:22 |
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M4rtinK | it's all on device also - in /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica | 16:34 |
M4rtinK | that way you can check the latest Silica QML code | 16:35 |
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vakkov | turing phone, huh? | 17:37 |
vgrade | :) | 17:37 |
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M4rtinK | does it come with the tape ? | 17:45 |
M4rtinK | otherwise the tape could be kinda hard to come by - kinda like the Jolla phone battery ;-) | 17:46 |
Stskeeps | tape..? | 17:47 |
vgrade | turing machine | 17:47 |
Stskeeps | ah. | 17:48 |
Stskeeps | otoh you can argue since it's turing complete, that it can run any OS | 17:48 |
Stskeeps | :P | 17:48 |
M4rtinK | well, this has been actually my gripe for a long time | 17:53 |
M4rtinK | all those general purpose computers all around (phones, tablets, etc.), all locked to a useless and or outdated OS | 17:54 |
M4rtinK | prevented from running a general purpose OS by technical ineptitude of their creators or political decisions | 17:55 |
Tegu | ye :( | 17:55 |
Stskeeps | M4rtinK: well, let's be fair, sometimes the general purpose OS'es aren't for general devices | 17:56 |
Stskeeps | :P | 17:56 |
Stskeeps | but yeah, i get your point | 17:56 |
Stskeeps | (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2IIoHNqJBs&feature=youtu.be ) | 17:56 |
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M4rtinK | well, its surprising what range of hardware a generic Linux distro can cover | 17:58 |
M4rtinK | and we are talking ~recent phones and tablets | 17:59 |
M4rtinK | you don't need to fit to a 4 MB flah and 32 MB of RAM like OpenWRT | 17:59 |
M4rtinK | *flash | 17:59 |
M4rtinK | power saving could certainly be an issue | 18:00 |
M4rtinK | as a proper UI | 18:00 |
M4rtinK | but both could be solved IMHO while keeping commonality with the distro | 18:00 |
M4rtinK | certainly not the reason to run years old hacked-to-hell forks incompatible with each other | 18:01 |
M4rtinK | or even not having glibc compatibility (I'm looking at you Android...) | 18:02 |
r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: how would you envision a touch based general purpose os? | 18:04 |
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M4rtinK | there are already variants in many distros - for example Workstation, Server & cloud for fedora | 18:04 |
M4rtinK | would be easy to image a "mobile" variant or even spin (a less official variant that is not release blocking in Fedora lingo) | 18:05 |
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M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: I would imagine basically just a variant of the distro | 18:05 |
r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: so something a bit more like plasma mobile or ubuntu touch then | 18:06 |
coderus | M4rtinK: https://github.com/CODeRUS/better-sailfishos-qmltypes/tree/Sdk1511/Sailfish/Silica | 18:06 |
M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: with some additional services handling power management & other mobile specific things (telephony, etc.) | 18:06 |
M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: and then a UI shell on top | 18:06 |
r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: i witnessed the ubuntu 'convergence' at FOSDEM, somewhat funny to see on a phone device | 18:06 |
M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: possibly Plasma Mobile, Glacier, etc. | 18:07 |
Stskeeps | M4rtinK: did you see my new project announcement that i did at fosdem, ooi? | 18:07 |
M4rtinK | Stskeeps: yep :) | 18:07 |
Stskeeps | as in, not cuteboot, but the human web | 18:07 |
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M4rtinK | but just basically just went through the slides quickly so far & read the annotation | 18:08 |
Stskeeps | nod | 18:08 |
M4rtinK | oh, nope, not that | 18:08 |
Stskeeps | https://github.com/thehumanweb/notes/wiki/InfoPackage | 18:08 |
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M4rtinK | Stskeeps: sounds very useful | 18:11 |
M4rtinK | if it can be made work as described | 18:11 |
r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: maybe give people a brief intro before infodumping on them :P | 18:11 |
Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: :P | 18:11 |
M4rtinK | its still an unnecessary pain-in-the-ass to collaborate with a bunch of people | 18:12 |
M4rtinK | quite often dependent on a (half broken) server hosted app | 18:12 |
r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: correct | 18:12 |
M4rtinK | eq. single point of failure | 18:12 |
Stskeeps | M4rtinK: it's even a pita to collaborate 1-to-1 | 18:13 |
M4rtinK | so a single point (that is automagically distributed and secured) where to meet and collaborate | 18:13 |
M4rtinK | would be really useful | 18:13 |
M4rtinK | Stskeeps: that's already people - 2 people :D | 18:13 |
Stskeeps | yeah.. :P | 18:13 |
M4rtinK | eq. file transfer/etherpad/google docs/video/audio conference | 18:14 |
M4rtinK | that is distributed and secure would be very very useful | 18:14 |
M4rtinK | for a lot of stuff | 18:14 |
M4rtinK | and could be extended even more | 18:15 |
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Stskeeps | :) | 18:15 |
M4rtinK | wiki, voting, calendaring, issue tracking, etc. | 18:15 |
M4rtinK | sure, we have those now | 18:15 |
Stskeeps | and not even distributed but decentralized | 18:15 |
M4rtinK | but usually at different but singular places | 18:16 |
M4rtinK | the fun when things go down and there is no one to fix it | 18:16 |
M4rtinK | also the initial barrier to setting things up | 18:17 |
M4rtinK | would be really cool | 18:17 |
M4rtinK | if one could just "start a hash" | 18:17 |
M4rtinK | which would provide all those collaboration tools | 18:17 |
Stskeeps | sounds like you should join #thehumanweb ;) | 18:18 |
M4rtinK | then distribute the has id to others | 18:18 |
M4rtinK | I guess :) | 18:18 |
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OutBackDingo | be nice to see this on a Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge+ | 20:36 |
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urjaman | #sailfishos-porters | 20:46 |
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