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| ilhami | hey | 20:59 |
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| ilhami | should I buy the jolla phone? :P | 20:59 |
| twaapo | i think the question is why do you need a phone? | 21:00 |
| twaapo | and answering that answers if jolla is even remotelya good idea | 21:00 |
| ilhami | twaapo: I think the gestures Jolla has are nice | 21:02 |
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| ilhami | but does Jolla has a future? :) | 21:03 |
| ilhami | When will Sailfish 3.0 come out? | 21:03 |
| b_lindeijer | I'm just waiting to get my money back. | 21:04 |
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| bjorn | But that's for the tablet. The phone is working quite fine for me, but I wonder how many updates there will still be. | 21:04 |
| ilhami | bjorn: why? :D | 21:05 |
| ilhami | oh :P for the tablet | 21:05 |
| bjorn | I'm mostly using it from a ideological point of view though. I don't see Jolla being the open company I hoped they'd be. | 21:05 |
| ilhami | I want to know about the future of Jolla and their plans | 21:05 |
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| bjorn | Well, they announced several partnerships and will probably continue to develop and license Sailfish OS. | 21:06 |
| bjorn | I have no idea what my next phone would be... | 21:08 |
| ilhami | bjorn: are you happy with your Sailfish phone? | 21:08 |
| bjorn | Well... for me personally, my main gripe with it is the apparent lack of USB OTG support. | 21:09 |
| bjorn | So I can't connect a Bitcoin Trezor device to it. | 21:10 |
| bjorn | So I'm often carrying around a Galaxy S3 as well... | 21:10 |
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| urjaman | yeah it'd take true dedication to use the usb as a device (wasnt done at all by the ODM, thus no ID pin and no power output)... | 21:11 |
| urjaman | *host | 21:11 |
| urjaman | mind-fail ... | 21:11 |
| bjorn | Dedication? | 21:11 |
| urjaman | but anyways, the chip would be hosting capable, the circuit just isnt ... so it might be possible to use it with kernel hacking and an external powered hub... | 21:12 |
| bjorn | It either works or it doesn't. I'm not into kernel hacking or carrying around power hubs. | 21:12 |
| bjorn | Also the gestures... they're kinda nice, but I don't think they're more efficient than plain buttons like Android has. | 21:13 |
| ilhami | USB OTG? why does it not support that? | 21:13 |
| bjorn | Often I just find them clumsy. | 21:13 |
| bjorn | Like, it's slow to delete a mail by pulling down a menu for it and aiming for the right option. | 21:13 |
| bjorn | And, it's even slower to move a mail into a folder, because that menu doesn't have this action, so you first need to go back and long-press the mail. | 21:13 |
| urjaman | as with everything else that is silly about the hw, i hear it was considered more important to get something out now than to revise the hardware to have all of these things... | 21:13 |
| ilhami | bjorn: are you still getting updates? | 21:14 |
| ilhami | maybe they can improve some of those things. I think you should report it to the devs. | 21:14 |
| bjorn | None after they announced their financial problems I think. | 21:16 |
| ilhami | they have financial problems? :O | 21:16 |
| bjorn | They almost collapsed last year. | 21:16 |
| bjorn | Now they have some funds again, but they lost many valuable people. | 21:16 |
| urjaman | well i think 2.0.1 is basically after the problems.... | 21:16 |
| kimmoli | bjorn: i move and delete emails from the listview. | 21:16 |
| kimmoli | multiples at a time. | 21:16 |
| ilhami | bjorn: see. :P they are getting an update soon | 21:16 |
| urjaman | but i still havent updated because i'm lazy (... hmm, maybe i should do that) | 21:16 |
| bjorn | kimmoli: Yes, like I said, you have to back to the list view for moving. I usually want to move after I read an e-mail. | 21:17 |
| ilhami | yay | 21:17 |
| ilhami | bjorn: relax you can't have it all hehehe | 21:17 |
| bjorn | ilhami: You asked whether I liked it, so just telling me gripes. :P | 21:17 |
| bjorn | my* | 21:17 |
| kimmoli | simple yes or no would do as answer? | 21:18 |
| bjorn | kimmoli: Who knows? | 21:18 |
| ilhami | I still think it looks nice by the look of it. | 21:19 |
| urjaman | well... i guess saying just "yes" or "no" wouldnt be a valid answer, and then a "maybe" would be very weird :P | 21:19 |
| kimmoli | usually it is "yes, but this and that...". "no, but.." is much rare | 21:19 |
| bjorn | I think the only part to like about it is multitasking. | 21:19 |
| bjorn | That plain sucks in Android. | 21:19 |
| urjaman | jolla could be way better at that ... | 21:20 |
| urjaman | but yeah, i have almost no android experience, so *shrug* | 21:20 |
| kimmoli | i can't say anything about android (or ios)... | 21:20 |
| ilhami | what the heck? the only good thing about jolla is the multitasking? | 21:20 |
| bjorn | In Android you can't put a browser in the background and expect it to continue loading some page. | 21:20 |
| fledermaus | android is disappointingly bad. | 21:21 |
| bjorn | I mean regarding the gestures. | 21:21 |
| bjorn | Well it's also nice that you don't need a back button. | 21:21 |
| bjorn | But that conflicts with a lot of common navigation models found on Android / iOS. | 21:21 |
| bjorn | Anyway, time for bed. :) | 21:22 |
| kimmoli | well, what i really like on the jolle (sbj) is the toh interface, and cli, and gestures, and well -- i almost know how to code apps for it. | 21:22 |
| kimmoli | jolle? where did that came from | 21:22 |
| urjaman | thats what i thought too :P | 21:22 |
| ilhami | Will there be a new phone soon with better hardware? | 21:23 |
| ilhami | or is it the same for the rest of our lives? :D | 21:23 |
| kimmoli | i'm putting my coding-skills to oneplusx port atm | 21:23 |
| urjaman | not from jolla... | 21:23 |
| ilhami | urjaman: then from who? | 21:23 |
| urjaman | their point is to provide the OS for others to make phones with .... | 21:24 |
| urjaman | (in india intex seems to have taken the "bait" :P...) | 21:24 |
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| kimmoli | intex aquafish, turing, fairphone fp2 (communityport exists) dunno does it ever get official | 21:24 |
| ilhami | https://jolla.com/jolla/ | 21:25 |
| kimmoli | turing - well is it just smoke in the air.. | 21:25 |
| ilhami | so this phone on their official site.. who made that? | 21:25 |
| kimmoli | that is made by jolla | 21:25 |
| ilhami | oooh | 21:25 |
| urjaman | they did, before the basically split off the hardware guys and ????? | 21:25 |
| ilhami | so which phone should I buy? | 21:26 |
| ilhami | now you confuse me more and more. | 21:26 |
| urjaman | atleast i havent heard anything of them since last year sometime, but otoh havent googled... | 21:26 |
| ilhami | I need a phone with these gestures.... :P | 21:26 |
| kimmoli | if you need android app support, then it is jolla | 21:27 |
| urjaman | if you want the android app support and want to support jolla, yeah get their phone (while it is still available?), but remember that it is a years old low end device | 21:27 |
| ilhami | then I don't want it. :P | 21:28 |
| kimmoli | and without android support installed it performs nicely. but forgot whatsapp and things like that | 21:28 |
| ilhami | So is Jolla build on top of sailfish OS? | 21:29 |
| urjaman | i wouldnt have done this if it wasnt for the tohkbd project ... got the phone to get a keyboard, but its a bit late for that too | 21:29 |
| ilhami | Right now I have a Windows Phone. :P I want to get rid of it soon.. It's horrible. | 21:30 |
| urjaman | i actually have android stuff on it, and its not too bad even with that... dont expect much (perf or compatibility) from the android apps though :P | 21:31 |
| ilhami | I don't need the android apps dude. | 21:31 |
| ilhami | I need the gestures and stuff. :P | 21:31 |
| ilhami | You can put that garbage spyware OS in the trash :D | 21:32 |
| urjaman | i trust kimmoli and updating charge monitor without even checking what you did :P | 21:33 |
| kimmoli | you're welcome | 21:34 |
| M4rtinK | web of trust :) | 21:34 |
| kimmoli | you can report bugs to https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurva#Jurvan_kunta | 21:35 |
| urjaman | yeah i basically got jolla because it was a linux device that can run android apps, so yeah :P (didnt want android, but wanted something that can keep "connected" with the world) | 21:35 |
| ilhami | so can I install sailfish OS on my Microsoft phone? hahaha | 21:35 |
| ilhami | I guess no! | 21:35 |
| urjaman | if somebody puts cyanogen on it, then it might be easier :P | 21:35 |
| ilhami | yikes | 21:36 |
| * urjaman often tries to gesture his nokia 700... | 21:36 | |
| urjaman | so dont get a jolla, you'll be unable to use other phones normally without reflexive swiping :P | 21:37 |
| urjaman | ilhami: sailfishos can basically use the hardware drivers from android (libhybris), thus getting cyanogenmod on a device makes it a lot easier to make the sailfish port... but i havent actually tried it for myself, so whatever | 21:38 |
| kimmoli | afaik rpi2 port does not use libhybris | 21:40 |
| urjaman | yeah, i guess thats more like just linux... | 21:40 |
| ilhami | urjaman: I will send my Microsoft phone and pay you 500 dollars to do it :D | 21:40 |
| ilhami | deal? | 21:40 |
| urjaman | nope. | 21:40 |
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| ilhami | lol | 21:40 |
| kimmoli | wisely choosed | 21:40 |
| urjaman | i wont touch an ms phone | 21:40 |
| kimmoli | this might happen http://kimmoli.com/tauhkaa/20160328_002.jpg | 21:42 |
| urjaman | (like it'd need to be enough to have multiple MS phones to break and enough money to work for like half a year or more and still it might end up a failure...) | 21:44 |
| ilhami | kimmoli: will you do it? lolol0ol | 21:44 |
| urjaman | somebody port the nokia 700 to sailfishos ;p | 21:45 |
| ilhami | Is it SailfishOS that has these gestures or Jolla? | 21:45 |
| urjaman | not actually, i'm pretty sure it'd be too low spec to be of any real use with modern apps (even if its really beasty for symbian..) | 21:45 |
| ilhami | I don't get it | 21:45 |
| urjaman | jolla has sailfishos | 21:46 |
| urjaman | sailfishos has the gestures ... | 21:46 |
| urjaman | confused enough? | 21:46 |
| ilhami | aah ok :P nice.. then let me buy a cheap phone with sailfish OS | 21:46 |
| ilhami | which one can you recommend? mid-end phone please | 21:47 |
| urjaman | i dont know of the ports, go ask the porters :P (i think nothing thats commmercially available with sailfish now is anything but low end ) | 21:48 |
| kimmoli | i can do it for 500. i'll buy a jolla and put it in lumia frames with some hot melt glue. | 21:48 |
| urjaman | that'd be really cruel for the jolla | 21:49 |
| kimmoli | i can only speak for OnePlusX | 21:49 |
| urjaman | "OnePlus X tutkii kontrasteja ja harmoniaa. Se ilmaisee yksilöllisyyttä keskellä modernia, urbaania elämää, perinteisen kädentaidon ja teollisen valmistamisen välistä ristiriitaa, sekä designin ja teknologian välistä tasapainoa. Se heijastaa sitä, missä olet ja mihin olet menossa. | 21:50 |
| urjaman | okay :P | 21:50 |
| kimmoli | hej | 21:51 |
| urjaman | kimmoli: so, how well does it work then? (actually curious now...9 | 21:53 |
| urjaman | (the oled made me go "ooh..." :P) | 21:53 |
| ilhami | Phone with sailfish OS.. Recommend me one or two | 21:53 |
| kimmoli | urjaman: it is getting pretty well, step by step | 21:59 |
| kimmoli | ilhami: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 22:00 |
| kimmoli | that is the status of current ports by community | 22:00 |
| kimmoli | urjaman: actually vibra and fm-radio are also working, on my pre-alpha-3 | 22:03 |
| urjaman | what i notice from the table is that everybody has ancient kernels... | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | when your kernel is older than the one in latest RHEL | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | you are doing something wrong :) | 22:07 |
| urjaman | geeze, you're right (i googled what rhel has...) | 22:08 |
| urjaman | 3.10 | 22:09 |
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| M4rtinK | there are a lot of backports in both cases | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | but still | 22:20 |
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| ilhami | No phone where Sailfish OS is preinstalled except Jolla? | 23:42 |
| urjaman | https://together.jolla.com/question/130868/do-you-want-to-buy-the-new-intex-aquafish-from-india/ maybe soon in india... | 23:44 |
| ilhami | what do you think about the Fairphone 2 urjaman ? | 23:45 |
| urjaman | that i dont know much about it | 23:46 |
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