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| tortoisedoc | duhduh | 07:29 |
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| tortoisedoc | is there a way to force an app not to be disk-swapped / cached in RAM only? | 07:29 |
| tortoisedoc | and on top of that, can I request that dynamically? :) | 07:30 |
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| urjaman | you dont want that | 07:35 |
| urjaman | (atleast for an entire app) | 07:36 |
| urjaman | it could just kill everybody.... | 07:36 |
| urjaman | but there is a kernel API for locking pages in memory... | 07:36 |
| urjaman | look it up | 07:36 |
| urjaman | (meant for stuff like secret keys you dont want ending up in your swapfile, and maybe some special performance optimized codes...) | 07:37 |
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| coderus | http://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/NewFinancing_press_release_April2016_FINAL_66.pdf | 09:21 |
| leszek | I wonder what the big suprise announcement for community and devs will be | 09:23 |
| leszek | maybe fairphone 2 with sailfishos this summer ? | 09:23 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | cool stuff | 09:34 |
| tortoisedoc | FP2 with SFOS -> been on my radar for a while | 09:37 |
| tortoisedoc | could be a decent day-to-day phone replacement for my first one | 09:38 |
| smurfynet | sfos for FP2 is already available. it’s working great, with some minor downsides | 09:39 |
| tortoisedoc | smurfynet : the downsides are what's keeping me to jump on the idea | 09:43 |
| smurfynet | tortoisedoc: no android support beeing the main one? | 09:43 |
| tortoisedoc | smurfynet : for instance; I know however that there are OS alternatives to dalvik | 09:44 |
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| tortoisedoc | unfortunately my bandwidth to contribute is limited | 09:44 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | what are the downsides of sf on fp? | 09:45 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | like not all of them, just the most important one | 09:46 |
| smurfynet | Ccdc_DuckZ: as mentioned, no android support, dual sim not supported | 09:47 |
| tortoisedoc | no alien dalvik can be quite a big one :P | 09:47 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | smurfynet: ah I missed that sentence, sry | 09:48 |
| leszek | nah would be interesting to know if camera and video recording is working and if the sensors don't mess up the battery life like on the nexus 5 builds | 09:48 |
| leszek | though the nexus 5 now with cm12.1 base seems to have the sensor issues mostly addressed | 09:48 |
| smurfynet | Look here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_fp2 | 09:48 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | yeah, I was all excited yesterday after reading their values and philosophy, but now I'm more like meh... the idea of having to use android is putting me off | 09:49 |
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| smurfynet | Battery life was good. I really enjoyed the bigger screen. But due to no android support (freaking whatsapp) i’m still on my Jolla | 09:50 |
| tortoisedoc | ofc it's a bummer to me how it comes that no packages of alien dalvik have been prepared by the community yet. | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | they can't, though | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | both legally and techncially | 09:50 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : indeed | 09:50 |
| tortoisedoc | I guess the Alien Dalvik license per se is not OS? | 09:51 |
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| tortoisedoc | s/OS/FS | 09:51 |
| smurfynet | tortoisedoc: the official dalvik is not working. i tried :D… currently trying to get sfroid working. but as always time is a restriction | 09:52 |
| tortoisedoc | is there info on how SFOS manages app's lifecycle (in particular interested about the freezing / swapping etc) | 09:52 |
| tortoisedoc | smurfynet : not working (as in 100% ) or not "working" | 09:53 |
| smurfynet | tortoisedoc: as in not working.. problems getting the background android to boot 100%. its stuck at around 99% :) or even if it sometimes reaches 100% it crashes afterwards | 09:54 |
| leszek | seems like the fp2 is in the same state as the nexus5 version. Beta and almost ready | 09:54 |
| tortoisedoc | hmhm | 09:55 |
| smurfynet | leszek: as far as i know nexus 4 and 5. is working, in you can use it. | 09:55 |
| tortoisedoc | do I smell DRM | 09:55 |
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| smurfynet | tortoisedoc: no its not related to that. it looks like some memory problems. | 09:56 |
| smurfynet | tortoisedoc: as in out of memory :) | 09:56 |
| leszek | smurfynet: I have a nexus 5 here. Just like I said it is in beta state right now everything hardware wise supported but some issues still like video recording crashing and sensors somehow sometimes using 5% CPU constantly (on cm12.1 base) | 09:56 |
| tortoisedoc | huh | 09:56 |
| tortoisedoc | FP2 out of memory?? | 09:56 |
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| smurfynet | tortoisedoc: yea not sure why at least thats what the error messages suggests but this is probably some kind of bug. As there is memory free. | 09:58 |
| tortoisedoc | smurfynet : chroot it :P | 09:58 |
| tortoisedoc | (joke) | 09:59 |
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| smurfynet | tortoisedoc: sfdroid requires some patching of services and stuff. as you mentioned the ideal way would be some generic sfdroid android chroot and write “drivers” which use sfos services. my guess is thats how alien dalvik works. but something like this is very time consuming. | 10:00 |
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| entil | smurfynet: am I doing this wrong, but I can find very little on how to install sfdroid? | 11:04 |
| smurfynet | entil: for which device? | 11:05 |
| entil | smurfynet: eg. fairphone2, which I'd probably buy in a heartbeat if I knew I could run android apps on it | 11:05 |
| entil | looks like sfdroid is awesome but the devs keep noobs at bay until it's more stable ;) | 11:05 |
| smurfynet | entil: there is no version available for it. i can point you the build instructions, but as i mentioned earlier, it does not work yet to be useable at all. | 11:06 |
| entil | smurfynet: without instructions on how to patch the services (and that sounds like it will break in every sailfish update...) it's useless.. I haven't bought an fp2 yet because of this | 11:07 |
| entil | so I think it's best to wait a while longer and see how it evovles | 11:08 |
| entil | *evolves | 11:08 |
| smurfynet | entil: not sure about breaking after an sfos update, as patching is for the system partition, which is not changed only used by sfos. | 11:09 |
| entil | ah | 11:10 |
| entil | and there's probably precious little reason to ever even boot into the underlying android installation, much less update it, right? | 11:10 |
| smurfynet | entil: if everything works, you don’t need to update the system partition at all. but for example the latest update to the system broke some stuff in sfos (but its fixed) | 11:12 |
| entil | smurfynet: that sounds relevant to my interests | 11:12 |
| entil | smurfynet: but if "it does not work yet to be useable at all" I think I'll wait anyway | 11:13 |
| smurfynet | entil: sfdroid starts the underlying services from the system partition normally not needed by sfos. This needs some patches to the android sources, mainly because if sfos accessing some component android cant use them. i adapted some of the patches from the nexus version but not all yet (because the source is different). | 11:16 |
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| entil | smurfynet: ok, nice, thanks | 11:29 |
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| entil | smurfynet: I might be asking around sometime later about this ;) | 11:29 |
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| NeKit | is registration form on maemo.org working? I can't get recaptcha to appear | 13:03 |
| NeKit | ah, Chinese GFW | 13:05 |
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| Mister_Magister | Can somebody help me? I can't get openal working on sailfishos | 14:53 |
| fledermaus | Mister_Magister: you may need to ask a more specific question before someone tries to answer | 14:54 |
| Mister_Magister | erg i can't hear anything while running app (app uses openal). On desktop everything is working fine but on sailfish i can't hear anything | 14:55 |
| Ischwitz | coderus, how do I restart your app launcher? It shows every app and folder transparent and I can't launch anything from it | 14:55 |
| coderus | Ischwitz: upgraded sailfish version without unapplying patch? :D | 14:56 |
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| Ischwitz | no, this has happened me a couple times for no apparent reason | 14:56 |
| coderus | hm, sad thing | 14:57 |
| coderus | systemctl --user restart lipstick ? | 14:57 |
| Ischwitz | restarting phone or lipstick works but I was wondering if I could only restart the launcher | 14:57 |
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| coderus | laucher is in lipstick | 14:57 |
| coderus | launcher* | 14:57 |
| Ischwitz | oh, okay then | 14:57 |
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| coderus | check journalctl -a /usr/bin/lipstick (as root) next time this happen, maybe something interesting will be printed in log | 14:58 |
| Ischwitz | I shall | 15:00 |
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| baum | is anyone aware of an easy way to use sms with pgp? | 16:42 |
| urjaman | xD | 16:44 |
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| Krikke | let's see | 16:55 |
| Krikke | installing packages (1%) | 16:55 |
| Krikke | doing pkcon update on n9 | 16:55 |
| Krikke | from the devaamo image | 16:55 |
| coderus | to what version? | 16:55 |
| Krikke | dunno | 16:55 |
| coderus | :D | 16:56 |
| Krikke | the one from repo? | 16:56 |
| coderus | executing random commands in term? | 16:56 |
| Krikke | nope | 16:56 |
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| Krikke | isn't it supposed to work? | 16:56 |
| coderus | most likely no | 16:57 |
| Krikke | why? | 16:57 |
| Krikke | why do you have a broken system? :D | 16:57 |
| coderus | n9 versions are used to work only on fixed packages and repos from ks file | 16:57 |
| Krikke | oh | 16:58 |
| coderus | any ota upgrades end up with a boot loop | 16:58 |
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| Krikke | what's a ks file? | 16:58 |
| coderus | source for building image | 16:58 |
| Krikke | ok | 16:58 |
| Krikke | so I'm not supposed to get any updates for my n9 sailfish? | 16:59 |
| Krikke | what about the litany of ssl vulnerabilities | 16:59 |
| Krikke | the nokia os doesn't even give me a terminal anymore since they have disabled the repos for that | 17:00 |
| Krikke | so I'm stuck with 2014 of sailfish ay? | 17:01 |
| Krikke | 2015 feb actually | 17:01 |
| tbr | Krikke: you're welcome to join #sailfishos-porters and help to make the N9 community port great again | 17:03 |
| Krikke | is that supposed to be a joke? | 17:04 |
| Krikke | the channel is empty | 17:04 |
| Krikke | haahaa | 17:04 |
| Krikke | very funny | 17:04 |
| Krikke | sure | 17:04 |
| Krikke | I can build gentoo on it | 17:04 |
| tbr | 131 nicks on that channel | 17:04 |
| Krikke | gimme devel tools | 17:04 |
| Krikke | tbr: on this network? | 17:04 |
| tbr | yes on freenode | 17:05 |
| Krikke | ah, must have typoed | 17:05 |
| Krikke | ty | 17:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | Krikke: the sailfishos porters channel is rather active :P | 17:27 |
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| Krikke | cool | 17:29 |
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| PaulfraOSAA | anybody tried looking at getting sailfishos running on the ubuntu-touch tablet? | 18:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | PaulfraOSAA: not sure anyone has tried ubuntu touch devices in general | 18:26 |
| lpotter | shouldn't be too difficult | 18:27 |
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| PaulfraOSAA | r0kk3rz: Well A whole lot more people have tried the ubuntu touch tablet than have tried the jolla tablet (oh yes, I went there!) | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | does that count the amount of people trying it at MWC or not? | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:19 |
| nh1402 | well the Jolla tablet won an award at MWC, did the Ubuntu Touch tablet | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | next year | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | same one, i think it's a omen | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:21 |
| r0kk3rz | PaulfraOSAA: i meant tried to port sailfish to it, but i see your point :) | 19:21 |
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| Ischwitz | any one know how to force android app to stay active | 20:54 |
| Ischwitz | or should they stay active as they do in android phones | 20:54 |
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| Ischwitz | somewhere I got the assumption that they don't | 20:55 |
| Ischwitz | that the system pauses them or something if not using it actively | 20:55 |
| Ischwitz | I might be wrong though | 20:55 |
| Ischwitz | oh what ever | 21:05 |
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| lpotter | yes, the M10 ubuntu tablet won an award at MWC | 23:36 |
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