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| arvut | hello | 03:28 |
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| arvut | jmtpfs didn't recognize what kind of device my jolla is, I haven't updated jmtpfs so I'm guessing its a change on device? | 03:29 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | can anybody use mega.nz from SF? | 11:41 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | in the default browser the click regions seems to be at an offset from where you see the graphics, so hitting the button you intend to press is very tricky, and webpirate just fails to load the page altogether | 11:42 |
| r0kk3rz | ah the good old click roulette bug | 11:48 |
| leszek | Ccdc_DuckZ: mega.nz is highly optimized for Chromium. We don't have a working chromium browser engine on SailfishOS as far as I know | 11:55 |
| leszek | I would suggest using the mega android app through alien dalvik if possible | 11:55 |
| r0kk3rz | quicksilver is the only known example, qt5.6 upgrade should bring qtwebengine along with it too | 11:57 |
| leszek | Maybe someday will make quicksilver work again with newer chromium versions. | 11:57 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | I didn't know they had an app | 11:57 |
| r0kk3rz | i think tworaz must have left jolla and given up on sfos | 11:58 |
| leszek | I don't have high hopes for Qt 5.6s (I saw someone committing 5.6.1 to Mer the other day) QtWebEngine. The Engine might be lightyears ahead but the QML bindings and overall control over the engine is very very primitive. | 11:58 |
| leszek | and the main problem that we will miss is most probably optimizations for Wayland | 11:58 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its still early days, but there are people trying to roll it into actual browsers though | 11:58 |
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| leszek | QtWebKit for example does ship with the wrong 1.0 pixel ratio as a true 1.5 or on the tablet 2.0 or 3.0 would make every qtwebkit browser or webpage unusably slow | 11:59 |
| leszek | QtWebkit isn't optimized for wayland at all hence the sluggishness in browsers like Webcat and Webpirate. At least in Webcat I did everything I could to make it more fluid but thats all cheating to be honest | 12:00 |
| leszek | It can never compete with a stock android browser that even runs more fluid in Alien Dalvik | 12:01 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | the android app seems to be working | 12:01 |
| r0kk3rz | perhaps thats why jolla went with gecko and not chromium in the first place | 12:01 |
| leszek | r0kk3rz: nope back in the day there was only webkit and gecko. Chromium did not have its own webengine | 12:01 |
| leszek | they simply went gecko because it was ready and had a good qt5 port | 12:02 |
| leszek | qtwebkit was dead already (meaning only security updates and no real new features) | 12:02 |
| leszek | the problem is that jolla is letting qtwebkit basically unmaintained as fixes are not coming in even if they fix annoying bugs with 2-3 lines | 12:03 |
| leszek | like the bug that dropdownbox selections is not refreshed when choosing another option | 12:04 |
| r0kk3rz | they do have a tendency to think quite far ahead, often at the cost of things now | 12:04 |
| leszek | or memory leaks all over the place that cause to eat more memory | 12:04 |
| leszek | I forked the merprojects qtwebkit and made it work at least on my devices. Though no rpms (as they conflict) only .so files. | 12:05 |
| leszek | as this will never ever get in the jolla store I don't bother much about it anymore though | 12:06 |
| leszek | Jolla lacks API devs | 12:06 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla lacks devs | 12:07 |
| r0kk3rz | and more importantly, the ability to pay those devs for any significant length of time | 12:08 |
| leszek | yeah that in general I guess. Sad that the big community that could help is only used for beta testing stuff they developed. Even all those patches for sailfish-browser from the community (to add text selection for example and other stuff) weren't really included in a release version | 12:08 |
| leszek | I was two or three times so close to make a fork of sailfish-browser or using gecko engine for webcat. | 12:09 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah theres no clear procedure for signing the code over the jolla, ive mentioned this a few times to people | 12:09 |
| r0kk3rz | since its not a case of 'use licence x', you need to sign the copyright over to jolla for commercial use | 12:10 |
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| Thaodan | its a shame that they nearly had to build sfos from the ground up and couldn't use the nokia stuff. Nokia had much more money so they get so much more features rigth from the start of meego. | 13:51 |
| Thaodan | Like a native Facebook app, voice call telepathy ui and skype telepathy cm | 13:52 |
| tbr | I wouldn't say they missed out on that much | 13:52 |
| tbr | also some of the stuff they actually did license from Nokia | 13:52 |
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| tbr | agps service and libraries, maps, exchange mail support, come to mind | 13:53 |
| till | I guess the voice of nokia was much more important, for example when it comes to integrating skype into a different ui | 13:53 |
| r0kk3rz | surely this is the difference between pre and post microsoft skype though | 13:54 |
| tbr | I'm sure you could have licensed the skype stuff from skype for €€€ just like nokia did | 13:54 |
| Thaodan | till: thats the same MS currently does. So they copy paste nokias solution. | 13:55 |
| till | yes, but wouldn't it be more likely that microsoft/skype says yes to a "big" company like nokia versus a "small" jolla | 13:55 |
| till | but skype is MS now, right? | 13:56 |
| Thaodan | till: it is | 13:56 |
| till | so integrating your own voip service into your own operating system is a different thing I would say :) | 13:56 |
| Thaodan | till: its the approach how its done. | 13:56 |
| Thaodan | Android has no such thing for example | 13:57 |
| till | but back than, it was skype and nokia... good old times | 13:57 |
| Thaodan | Ms tried it for Facebook before | 13:57 |
| tbr | Also I think with FaceCreep the reason we didn't see much integration was also not on the jolla side, again. | 13:57 |
| Thaodan | but I think its also the brand thing. | 13:57 |
| till | facebook even removed the messenging api afaik | 13:58 |
| till | which was working on jolla in the beginning | 13:58 |
| Thaodan | When you build your telepathy frontend you wont use much brand | 13:58 |
| Thaodan | till: no really the api isn't open | 13:58 |
| till | like officially wokring :) | 13:58 |
| Thaodan | thats the issue | 13:58 |
| till | yes, but it was in the past. or at least licensed or smthg to jolla as they had official facebook messenger support | 13:59 |
| Thaodan | there's pidgin-skype and disa | 13:59 |
| Thaodan | they use facebooks closed api | 13:59 |
| till | I know, I've used your skype plugin for some time :) | 13:59 |
| r0kk3rz | till: xmpp was the official open fb messenger api, then they removed it | 13:59 |
| Thaodan | but I don't think they're allowed so | 14:00 |
| tbr | telepathy-haze will give you all the pidgin libs if you want | 14:00 |
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| Thaodan | xmpp was just a dirty bridge and don't worked very good | 14:00 |
| tbr | including MOC/Lync/SkypeForBusiness through sip-e | 14:00 |
| Thaodan | sadly telepathy-haze isn't in a good state | 14:00 |
| Thaodan | but it works on Sf | 14:01 |
| Thaodan | I use purple-skypeweb with it | 14:01 |
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| Thaodan | https://openrepos.net/content/thaodan/skype-account | 14:01 |
| till | I got banned once while using that plugin, so i stick to android-skype now since I need aliendalvik for whatsapp anyhow | 14:02 |
| Thaodan | never got that issue | 14:02 |
| Thaodan | using it on desktop and on sf | 14:02 |
| Thaodan | but messages don't sync | 14:02 |
| till | maybe I did too many reconnects or something, they said my account might be taken over by someone and I had to prove it was mine, then they released it | 14:03 |
| Thaodan | and pictures are not bridged to telepathy | 14:03 |
| till | and right now I don't have the time to argue with them, I just need working accounts | 14:03 |
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| Thaodan | I hope the message app gets improved someday it isn't really in a good state | 14:07 |
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| * tbr mumbles something about community and rewriting the nemo messaging app and add more features | 14:09 | |
| Thaodan | tbr: have you heard somethink like that? | 14:11 |
| Thaodan | atleast the qml plugin from nemo is in active state | 14:12 |
| Thaodan | https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/nemo-qml-plugin-messages/commits/master | 14:12 |
| Thaodan | I hope these changes get adopted | 14:13 |
| tbr | Thaodan: it has been discussed time and again to just ditch the closed source jolla shyte and bring the nemo message UI up to speed with more features | 14:13 |
| Thaodan | how is it diffent from jolla-messages in terms of ui? | 14:14 |
| tbr | the existing code predates the jolla UI and is a bit ugly | 14:15 |
| Thaodan | I cant get why jolla just pushed their changes just to upstream | 14:15 |
| tbr | jolla is upstream and they didn't because for them amassing IPR was a strategic choice | 14:15 |
| tbr | all the closed source stuff was used to make them look better towards investors, partners, etc | 14:16 |
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| Thaodan | oh ok hm I didn't unterstand the purpose , maybe i just don't get it | 14:17 |
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