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FloR707 | Hi, I am currently trying to learn about JSON. Is there a harbour app on github that uses JSON, so that I can a look how that works? I have seen JS solutions but these are five years old and I am wondering if there is something in QML that I can use. | 09:48 |
coderus | JSON object in QML accessible | 09:49 |
coderus | JSON.parse(json_string) return JS object. | 09:49 |
coderus | JSON.stringify(js_object) return json string | 09:50 |
coderus | thats all you need | 09:50 |
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FloR707 | And how do I get the JSON object? I do have a URL and a couple of GET parameters. | 09:54 |
chriadam|windows | xmlhttprequest | 09:58 |
FloR707 | Okay this is then all JS like https://forum.qt.io/topic/2019/qml-and-json/15 | 09:59 |
FloR707 | JSONListModel is not working, yet? | 09:59 |
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tortoisedoc | hmm | 10:33 |
tortoisedoc | was there supposed to be a community meeting today? | 10:33 |
tortoisedoc | 10 CET or something? | 10:33 |
mal- | there was | 10:33 |
mal- | it was at 9:00 UTC | 10:34 |
tortoisedoc | mal- : any news about new devices? | 10:35 |
r0kk3rz | tortoisedoc: nope | 10:38 |
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tortoisedoc | btw the log only has discussion about caldav | 10:41 |
r0kk3rz | try the log before :P | 10:43 |
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tortoisedoc | well, let the future suprise us :) | 10:45 |
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tortoisedoc | r0kk3rz : thanks! | 10:47 |
YasigiWalter | Interesting, got mail from Jolla saying that the latest Sailfish OS is available for everyone, but when I check for OS updates on my Intex Aqua Fish, it says it's up to date with 2.0.2.51 (Aurajoki) | 10:49 |
mal- | it's not yet available for aqua fish, it was mentioned here https://together.jolla.com/question/146300/release-notes-204fiskarsinjoki-released/ | 10:50 |
r0kk3rz | YasigiWalter: updates have to go through Intex first it seems | 10:50 |
YasigiWalter | ah, thanks | 10:50 |
YasigiWalter | They do additional testing? | 10:51 |
r0kk3rz | something like that, which makes sense as its their product | 10:51 |
r0kk3rz | not jollas | 10:51 |
r0kk3rz | they're the one left holding the bag if it all goes tits up | 10:51 |
YasigiWalter | Also, I found a bug in the People app, where should I file it? | 10:53 |
r0kk3rz | tjc | 10:53 |
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kimmoli | and check is there a report already... | 11:34 |
tortoisedoc | +1 kimmoli | 11:36 |
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Linnak | Hi. Can someone answer to this question? Android has a virtual machine was called dalvik . It needs more resources than a native os. Like ios. Ios needs half or less cpu to run smooth than android. The question is: if sailfish os is a native os why it isn't as smooth as ios? | 15:03 |
till | i don't know about ios, but on my Jolla Phone Sailfish OS is running very smoothly | 15:04 |
Bysmyyr | Linnak: which jolla phone you have? | 15:05 |
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Linnak | Not mine. Intex aqua fish | 15:06 |
till | however, running android support and some heavy android apps slows the whole phone down | 15:07 |
Bysmyyr | Linnak: then no idea, mine is smooth if I do not use heavy/many android | 15:07 |
Snilly | 'smooth' referring to scrolling and transitions? | 15:07 |
Bysmyyr | (jolla1 was missing some ram) | 15:07 |
Linnak | on intex it takes seconds to open a clock app | 15:08 |
r0kk3rz | Linnak: the equation is more complicated than you suggest | 15:08 |
till | and jolla1 tends to have issues due to btrfs if not balanced from time to time | 15:08 |
r0kk3rz | ios is smooth because AAPL has hundreds of engineers profiling it to make it so | 15:09 |
Linnak | At 2 minutes https://youtu.be/NrnVzS0mBaw he says it takes 2 seconds to open an app | 15:10 |
Bysmyyr | mine took about 2seconds and(instant after once started) | 15:11 |
till | just checked, opening the clock app on my jolla1 takes about 2.5 seconds. but I wouldn't call that "not smooth" :) | 15:12 |
r0kk3rz | till: its fair though, those of us who arent regular android/ios users forget how responsive they can be | 15:12 |
Linnak | On my android device it opens immediately | 15:12 |
Snilly | about 2.5sec for n900/maemo also | 15:13 |
till | my android tablet feels not as smooth as my jolla | 15:13 |
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Linnak | Which cross platform video chat do you use? | 15:13 |
nh1402 | Linnak: which Android tablet? | 15:14 |
till | especially concerning web browsing, sailfish is a lot smoother than android for me | 15:14 |
Bysmyyr | and in android, how much is in the ram whole time | 15:14 |
Linnak | Tablet? | 15:14 |
till | Linnak: skype and appear.in for eample | 15:14 |
Linnak | I use a Honor 8 | 15:14 |
nh1402 | my bad, Android device, well that's the reason, It has a much more up to date ARM 64 bit SoC | 15:15 |
nh1402 | the Intex has a dated 32bit ARM CPU | 15:15 |
Linnak | Will it be soon a good device? | 15:16 |
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till | Linnak: you mean if a more powerful sailfish os device will be released? | 15:17 |
Linnak | till which one has notification when someone wants to contact with you? | 15:17 |
Linnak | Till yes | 15:17 |
till | Linnak: in this case I would suggest skype | 15:17 |
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till | afaik there is the touring phone, there will/might be the puzzle phone, and there are speculations about fairphone 2 shipping with sailfish | 15:18 |
Linnak | I saw turin phone 4 years ago and now has again a good advert | 15:19 |
till | you might want to have a look here: https://together.jolla.com/question/136143/wiki-available-devices-running-sailfish-os/ | 15:19 |
Linnak | Do you know how much is a turing phone cost? | 15:24 |
Linnak | till they say skype not working https://openrepos.net/content/thaodan/skype-account | 15:26 |
till | you would need android skype on sailfish os | 15:26 |
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till | about the price of the touring phone, I remember something above 500 euros | 15:27 |
r0kk3rz | closer to 800€ | 15:28 |
till | or so :) | 15:28 |
Snilly | anybody using a droid xt894? | 15:28 |
Bysmyyr | Linnak: stuff in openrepos can be not working or working great but you have to check waht to install. Android skype works well | 15:28 |
r0kk3rz | android notifications are better than they used to be, thats for sure | 15:29 |
Linnak | Not cheap | 15:29 |
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till | the skype-account plugin only supports text messages and caused my skype account to be banned some time ago, thus I removed it from my phone | 15:29 |
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till | and since whatsapp seems to be essential today, I need to have android support running anyway | 15:30 |
Linnak | I came from windows phone 2 months ago. So far i love android 6 | 15:30 |
Linnak | I use whatsapp, viber and today tried telegram | 15:31 |
Linnak | I just want to try other systems like sailfish os or ubuntu touch | 15:32 |
Snilly | hobbyist OS | 15:33 |
till | telegram works fine on sailfish | 15:33 |
till | i'm using sailorgram as client | 15:34 |
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Linnak | Thanks | 15:46 |
Linnak | Bye | 15:46 |
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deryah | hi | 16:45 |
deryah | the one plus x in its vanilla android form, does not support ExFAT cards right? | 16:45 |
deryah | but will it face the same problem when i install sailfish? | 16:45 |
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deryah | i just inserted a 64 GB sd card and it didn't detect it, but it does detect a 16 GB card | 16:52 |
r0kk3rz | not sure about exfat support, i think not | 16:53 |
r0kk3rz | but you can format it to something else if that suits | 16:53 |
till | I'm using a 64GB card with one swap and one ext4 partition | 16:55 |
r0kk3rz | looks like some people have installed exfat fuse drivers, so maybe you can make it work | 16:55 |
deryah | i can? please help me | 16:55 |
deryah | mine won't even read the 64 GB one | 16:56 |
deryah | won't even *detect | 16:56 |
r0kk3rz | ah, drivers on openrepos | 16:56 |
till | in sailfish or android? | 16:56 |
deryah | right now my onyx is still vanilla | 16:57 |
deryah | haven't installed anything | 16:57 |
deryah | till: also, what is swap and what is ext4? | 16:57 |
till | I only know about formatting on sailfish, sorry | 16:57 |
urjaman | oh my, you'll need some linux knowledge ... | 16:58 |
till | swap is used to extend ram, and ext4 is different file system used mainly on unix systems | 16:58 |
deryah | urjaman: please tell me where to start, i'm happy to learn | 16:58 |
deryah | urjaman: i would greatly appreciate if you can give me some pointers | 16:59 |
r0kk3rz | deryah: for most purposes you dont need to worry about such things | 17:00 |
deryah | till: ok but this also means, even on sailfish, unless you format it first, a 64 GB card still won't be detectable by default? | 17:00 |
r0kk3rz | for now, they're just file systems like exfat | 17:00 |
urjaman | till already basically dealt with those terms, but yeah i was just shocked. | 17:00 |
till | depends on your definition of detectable. the "drive" itself should be visible, but the partition not readable | 17:00 |
deryah | urjaman: we all had to start at some point didn't we | 17:00 |
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till | I like wikipedia for getting basic information | 17:01 |
deryah | till: so either way i would have to reformat it? i wouldn't necessarily need to use linux for that right | 17:01 |
till | usually you can find in-depth details at the bottom of each wikpedia page | 17:01 |
till | deryah you will need a file system that your phone is able to read OR you need corresponding drivers for your phone | 17:02 |
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deryah | urjaman: but yeah no one was born with knowledge lol | 17:02 |
till | since sailfish is a linux, and ext2/3/4 is a standard linux file system, that's a simple way | 17:03 |
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cameris | Hi, I want to wirte a plugin for QML. How could I include the plugin in an harbour accpeted app? | 17:03 |
urjaman | yeah you can... somehow to me switching the operating system of a phone and then learning there seemed like jumping off the boat in the middle of the ocean :P | 17:03 |
deryah | till: sailfish doesn't provide the drivers? | 17:03 |
r0kk3rz | deryah: if you do not care to use the card in anything else, sailfish has a 'format' option in setttings for sdcards | 17:03 |
till | deryah for ext it does, for exfat it doesn't by default | 17:03 |
urjaman | deryah: sailfish will have normal fat32 and ext* drivers by default (ext* being ext2,3,4) | 17:04 |
urjaman | those are the relevant ones, there are more file systems but :P | 17:04 |
deryah | r0kk3rz: i have not installed anything on the 64 gb card | 17:04 |
deryah | r0kk3rz: so i can even format it with my PC right? | 17:05 |
urjaman | so you can just format the card to something supported and done. that is if you only want the card on the phone | 17:05 |
urjaman | deryah: you can, but you'd need non-MS tools or linux | 17:05 |
till | as long as you chose a file system supported by your phone AND your pc, yes | 17:05 |
deryah | i see | 17:05 |
deryah | so linux supports different drivers | 17:06 |
urjaman | microsoft doesnt format fat32 for >32GB ... | 17:06 |
deryah | NTFS? can linux read NTFS drives | 17:06 |
urjaman | (mkdosfs will happily do that, though i'm unsure if its very sane to use fat32 anyways on such big cards) | 17:06 |
leinir | exfat | 17:06 |
till | deryah ntfs is not really a good choice in my opinion | 17:07 |
urjaman | _read_, yes, but the phone likely cant write that | 17:07 |
till | I would stick to one of the ext systems | 17:07 |
urjaman | and i'd guess it doesnt even have the read drivers ... | 17:07 |
urjaman | yeah ext4 would likely be best | 17:07 |
deryah | the phone can't write on NTFS? why not? | 17:08 |
urjaman | as long as you dont need to use the card on a windows computer | 17:08 |
deryah | ok so what this means is | 17:08 |
till | btrfs might by an option, but it has problems on the jolla phone | 17:08 |
deryah | to format the card i would have to use a linux computer | 17:08 |
urjaman | deryah: you could use the phone | 17:08 |
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till | deryah or a sailfish device (which basically is a linux computer :)) | 17:08 |
deryah | i could use the phone, yeah | 17:08 |
deryah | but i have linux bootable on my usb | 17:08 |
deryah | i can use that to format the card right? | 17:08 |
till | gparted live is an easy to use linux distribution for dealing with paritions | 17:09 |
till | and file systems | 17:09 |
cameris | Could someone help/explain me how to include shared libraries in an sailfish app? Or how to build a statically linked library into an sailfish app? | 17:10 |
till | cameris I guess you have to pack it into the rpm file | 17:13 |
urjaman | i think the FAQ had an entry on the shared libs ... | 17:18 |
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urjaman | static linking shouldnt need anything really special (if you know the build systems involved etc) | 17:20 |
deryah | the cyanogenmod that i install prior to installing sailfish doesn't have to be the latest version right? | 17:23 |
deryah | can i install CM9? | 17:23 |
cameris | till, urjaman: thx. But the FAQ, doesn't help me do it. I got not much expirience with the qt build system. | 17:25 |
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cameris | https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/libsailfishapp/ is marked as TODO. So no help there either. | 17:37 |
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cameris | ls | 17:40 |
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deryah | hi | 19:46 |
deryah | the CM i need to install sailfish doesn't need to be the latest version right? | 19:46 |
grikra | i don't know - the guide for my port say to install CM11 | 19:47 |
r0kk3rz | deryah: you need to install a specific image for your port | 19:47 |
r0kk3rz | the instructions will say | 19:48 |
deryah | for the onyx | 19:48 |
kimmoli | yes it is mentioned there in wiki | 19:49 |
kimmoli | deryah: there is link "Base Android zip:" | 19:50 |
deryah | this wiki? https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SailfishOS | 19:50 |
kimmoli | this https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_onyx | 19:50 |
kimmoli | read it through, and start from "Requirements for installation" | 19:51 |
raa700 | why home key is N/A on that chart? | 19:52 |
deryah | what is adb and fastboot? | 19:53 |
raa700 | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+adb+and+fastboot? | 19:53 |
r0kk3rz | irc has magic google bots right? they google things for you ive seen it | 19:54 |
deryah | yes | 19:55 |
deryah | they do | 19:55 |
deryah | when it says "flash recovery" what does "flash" mean? run? | 19:57 |
* grikra is also newbie | 19:59 | |
r0kk3rz | deryah: have you installed custom roms before? | 20:00 |
deryah | never | 20:01 |
deryah | not even owned an android before lol | 20:01 |
deryah | anyway, i'm on a linux | 20:01 |
deryah | *i'm on a linux now | 20:01 |
deryah | and i can't install adb and fastboot | 20:02 |
* grikra hasn't figured how to do it either | 20:02 | |
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r0kk3rz | you just download the android sdk tools | 20:02 |
r0kk3rz | fastboot and adb are in the platform tools | 20:02 |
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deryah | i found this | 20:05 |
deryah | sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools && sudo apt-get update | 20:05 |
deryah | which is the required repository to use this | 20:05 |
deryah | sudo apt-get install android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot | 20:05 |
r0kk3rz | or you can use the packaged ones i guess | 20:06 |
r0kk3rz | whatever works | 20:06 |
deryah | i have a question and i know it's noobish and i'm really sorry | 20:07 |
deryah | but pl;ease tell me | 20:07 |
deryah | when i enter this | 20:07 |
deryah | sudo apt-get install android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot | 20:07 |
deryah | where do the packages come from? | 20:07 |
grikra | Section: universe/devel | 20:08 |
grikra | for ubuntu | 20:08 |
grikra | don't need a ppa | 20:08 |
grikra | afaict | 20:08 |
r0kk3rz | nobody knows, its a great mystery | 20:08 |
r0kk3rz | they just appeared one day | 20:08 |
deryah | looooool | 20:08 |
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grikra | anyone got sailfish on a N950? | 21:18 |
grikra | here | 21:18 |
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tbr | zillions of years ago | 21:34 |
tbr | some ancient version | 21:34 |
grikra | how was it? | 21:34 |
grikra | there's one for sale | 21:34 |
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grikra | but maybe it's not a good idea to actually use a collectors item | 21:35 |
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tbr | yeah, it's a collectors item | 21:38 |
tbr | I haven't booted mine in ages | 21:38 |
tbr | the keyboard was really cool | 21:38 |
tbr | though I have a jolla with tohkbd, that's close | 21:39 |
grikra | i'm hoping to get it running on the xt894 | 21:40 |
tbr | OMAP4430, blast from the past :) | 21:47 |
grikra | yeah i hope that's fast enough | 21:49 |
grikra | 1GB ram, 1.2ghz dualcore | 21:49 |
tbr | looks like there is cyanogenmod for that, so you should be able to get /something/ with HADK | 21:49 |
tbr | #sailfishos-porters is where you should turn | 21:50 |
grikra | yeah i spent a couple months | 21:50 |
grikra | and got first stage boot | 21:50 |
grikra | mhm | 21:50 |
* tbr did quite a few things with OMAP4, all 3 spins or so. 4430, 4460 and 4470 | 21:50 | |
grikra | for job? | 21:51 |
tbr | water under the bridge, long gone, sadly | 21:51 |
tbr | some of it, yes | 21:51 |
grikra | xt894 and xt897 seem to be the best candidates with hw keyboard | 21:52 |
grikra | someone did a libybris adaptation for xt897 | 21:52 |
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tbr | tbh, if I'd want a small form factor with hw-kbd again, I'd give this one a very close look: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GPD-WIN-Gamepad-Laptop-NoteBook-Tablet-PC-5-5-Handheld-Game-Console-Video-Game-Player-x7/32749738566.html | 21:55 |
tbr | for smartphones it seems for the moment the hwkbd ship has sailed | 21:55 |
grikra | yes. do you think the omap4 is too slow for sailfish? | 21:56 |
grikra | not gonna buy an intel | 22:00 |
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tbr | it's not going to be a performance wonder, that's for sure | 22:05 |
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grikra | dragonbox pyra looks neat | 22:16 |
tbr | I still don't understand what made them choose a dead-on-arrival SoC as the OMAP5 | 22:21 |
grikra | because the rest were worse | 22:22 |
grikra | including, not available in small qty, no answer from supplier, other problems | 22:23 |
tbr | there is virtually no support from TI as pretty much all engineers got fired even before launch | 22:24 |
tbr | also it comes with SGX GPU, it's hard to imagine a worse gpu | 22:24 |
r0kk3rz | hopefully they got it cheap then | 22:25 |
grikra | http://pandoralive.info/?p=2808 the SoC hunt | 22:29 |
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r0kk3rz | yeah i guess it makes it hard when you're a foot shorter than the 'you must be this tall to ride' sign | 22:43 |
r0kk3rz | plus their requirements like linux support | 22:43 |
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