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| Sailor11589 | intex aqua fish battery draining very fast | 06:08 |
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| abranson | Sailor11589: posting that every day isn't going to help much. have you tried to collect some power usage data like chris requested? | 07:02 |
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| Sailor11589 | yeah i have the screen shots of them | 07:03 |
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| Sailor11589 | temp:40 discharge rate: 441ma | 07:04 |
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| abranson | have you tried Hunger Meter? does that work on the aqua fish? | 07:07 |
| Sailor11589 | abranson: load average 2.62 1.14 0.42 | 07:08 |
| abranson | that doesn't really help without knowing what's taking the power | 07:08 |
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| Sailor11589 | abranson: how to give you the crest details | 07:09 |
| abranson | the what? | 07:10 |
| abranson | apps such as Lighthouse and Hunger Meter can help you pin down the culprit | 07:11 |
| Sailor11589 | abranson: i can tell you no process is consuming more than 10% | 07:12 |
| abranson | 10% of what? | 07:12 |
| Sailor11589 | abranson: cpu | 07:12 |
| abranson | could be other things taking power. try hunger meter? | 07:15 |
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| Sailor11589 | hunger meter shows current consumption 1726mw | 07:16 |
| Sailor11589 | abranson: is it normal? | 07:18 |
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| abranson | leave it on when the phone's suspended. that's where the power consumption should be low | 07:20 |
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| abranson | 1726 doesn't seem high for active use to me, but I'm not an expert | 07:20 |
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| Sailor11589 | abranson: battery is dropping by 10% every night without alien dalvik and wlan off | 07:24 |
| abranson | is there a SIM card in? is it connected? | 07:25 |
| abranson | hang on, 10% during the whole night? that doesn't seem like a lot. | 07:25 |
| Sailor11589 | abranson: yes there is one it works in 2g mode | 07:27 |
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| abranson | do you have it set to 2g only, or is it looking for hight | 07:27 |
| abranson | higher? | 07:27 |
| Sailor11589 | abranson: 10% without any usage imagine with usage like browsing, YouTube, etc | 07:28 |
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| Sailor11589 | abranson: i set it up to 2g only mode | 07:29 |
| abranson | your peak usage doesn't seem that high. usually when devices drain their battery quickly it's because they're taking too much power when on standby | 07:29 |
| Sailor11589 | abranson: i thought android support is draining but the cpu consumption of Android components is always under 1% | 07:30 |
| abranson | but 10% in a night doesn't seem that high. how often does the phone need charging? | 07:30 |
| abranson | is gps on? | 07:30 |
| * LarstiQ charges every night | 07:30 | |
| Sailor11589 | no gps, no bluetooth, only sim and occasionally wifi and no mobile data | 07:30 |
| Sailor11589 | i once left the phone idle it lasted for 3 days but with moderate usage it is lasting only 12hrs | 07:32 |
| Sailor11589 | abranson: how's your phone doing? | 07:33 |
| Sailor11589 | abranson: watched three videos offline battery drained by a 10% | 07:34 |
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| abranson | videos are quite power intensive. what are you expecting? | 07:35 |
| Sailor11589 | imagine with YouTube then? | 07:35 |
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| Sailor11589 | abranson: how can I promote sailfish os with such kind of battery life in my GNU/Linux user group | 07:36 |
| abranson | with videos it's the backlight and gpu work as well as cpu. the aqua fish doesn't have a large battery. | 07:36 |
| Sailor11589 | abranson: 2500 mah isn't sufficient? | 07:37 |
| Sailor11589 | abranson: which phone do you use? | 07:38 |
| abranson | it's not a large battery. what are you comparing it to? | 07:38 |
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| abranson | I have a Jolla C, which is largely the same as the aqua fish. | 07:38 |
| lpotter | get a external usb power brick | 07:38 |
| Sailor11589 | like there are some Android phones at the same price as aqua fish whose battery is good than this | 07:39 |
| Sailor11589 | lpotter: this phone is 25days old | 07:39 |
| abranson | with smaller displays, weakers CPUs... | 07:39 |
| Sailor11589 | no do you know redmi 2 prime with 2300mah and almost same specs | 07:40 |
| abranson | i've not used it | 07:40 |
| abranson | what's the cpu? | 07:40 |
| Sailor11589 | snapdragon 435 i think so? | 07:41 |
| abranson | anyway, I'm sure it's lovely, but I don't think your power consumption on your aqua fish is extraordinary. I don't think there's much we can do to improve it. | 07:41 |
| abranson | but like I said, I'm not an expert. just seeing if I could help. | 07:42 |
| LarstiQ | what could be done is porting Sailfish to this redmi and compare it apples for apples against Android usage | 07:42 |
| Sailor11589 | does sailfish need to improve a lot | 07:43 |
| Sailor11589 | is there any way to recalibrate battery | 07:43 |
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| abranson | no, I think you're expecting more than the hardware can provide | 07:44 |
| Krikke | Sailor11589: are you using android apps? | 07:45 |
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| Sailor11589 | Krikke: only whatsapp thats it | 07:45 |
| Krikke | ok that's probably it | 07:45 |
| Krikke | it's spying on you | 07:45 |
| Sailor11589 | and i use aliendalvik stop when i'm not using it | 07:45 |
| Krikke | k | 07:46 |
| Krikke | still 12hrs is a lot if you're using the phone all the time | 07:46 |
| Krikke | I can easily drain the battery in a phew hours by playing games | 07:46 |
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| Sailor11589 | cpu consumption shows only 1-2% | 07:46 |
| Sailor11589 | for whatsapp | 07:46 |
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| Krikke | have you profiled these things? | 07:47 |
| Sailor11589 | 12hrs only for moderate usage like 4 calls, 2hrs of android and browsing little bit | 07:48 |
| Sailor11589 | Krikke: what does that mean? | 07:48 |
| Krikke | like record the usage over time | 07:48 |
| Krikke | not just momentarily | 07:48 |
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| Sailor11589 | Krikke: wlan usage is making hot near camera | 07:49 |
| Krikke | that sounds weird | 07:49 |
| Krikke | where are you located? | 07:49 |
| Sailor11589 | India | 07:49 |
| Krikke | ok | 07:49 |
| Krikke | I had problems with the Jolla when it was too hot outside | 07:50 |
| Krikke | seems like it's made to handle cold better than hot | 07:50 |
| Sailor11589 | Krikke: i can take it when it was mobile data but for wifi too? | 07:50 |
| Krikke | could be just broken hw | 07:50 |
| abranson | Sailor11589: let hunger meter collect some data for 24hrs at least. that should tell you if your power consumption is above average or not | 07:50 |
| abranson | it's too difficult to be objective when estimating usage. we all think we're on our phones less than we actually are ;) | 07:51 |
| Sailor11589 | Krikke: then how am i talking to you? | 07:51 |
| Krikke | Sailor11589: broken as in not working 100% | 07:51 |
| Krikke | using more power than it's supposed to or something | 07:52 |
| Krikke | the possibilities are endless | 07:52 |
| abranson | another tip: set the screen brightness as low as you can use, and switch on the auto adjustment. | 07:52 |
| r0kk3rz | yep, collect some data first, rather than making strange assertions that the device should use 0 battery for things | 07:52 |
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| Sailor11589 | abranson: auto brightness off current brightness 10% | 07:52 |
| Sailor11589 | r0kk3rz: i'm comparing sailfish os with my previous android which sailfish can't overtake with such behavior | 07:54 |
| r0kk3rz | Sailor11589: apples and oranges im afraid | 07:54 |
| leszek | Sailor11589: whats the issue? Brightness to dark or bright ? | 07:54 |
| Sailor11589 | r0kk3rz: sailfish is the alternative it has to prove that it can compete perfectly with giants | 07:55 |
| leszek | Sailor11589: when it comes to this it won't | 07:56 |
| r0kk3rz | Sailor11589: great idea, i'll wave my magic wand and make it so :) | 07:56 |
| leszek | Sailor11589: SailfishOS is aiming for the 1% not for overtaking Android or iOS anytime soon. That would be unicorn farts and marshmallow clouds | 07:57 |
| Sailor11589 | so this what happens when the truth is out of the box | 07:57 |
| Sailor11589 | leszek: oh really watch the promo video of sailfish os | 07:57 |
| leszek | Sailor11589: which one ? | 07:58 |
| Sailor11589 | people already are not coming forward for using linux and now sailfish os is keeping that up | 07:58 |
| Sailor11589 | the one with a new phone, Youtube, website | 07:59 |
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| leszek | new phone ? I don't know what video actually | 07:59 |
| leszek | Sailor11589: Jolla said right from the start it is aiming for the 1% and that goal is not reached yet | 08:00 |
| Sailor11589 | default one in the gallery | 08:00 |
| r0kk3rz | leszek: id suggest they arent aiming for that anymore, with the current tack to government systems | 08:00 |
| Sailor11589 | leszek: so that's it then | 08:00 |
| leszek | r0kk3rz: not sure the 1% can be reached with government systems aswell :P | 08:01 |
| leszek | Sailor11589: the SailfishOS 2.0 promo video ? | 08:01 |
| r0kk3rz | which makes sense, their benefit is specifically that they arent android or ios | 08:01 |
| leszek | Yep | 08:01 |
| r0kk3rz | not that they're competing directly | 08:01 |
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| leszek | but I don't see any news on "We want to overtake iOS and Android" | 08:02 |
| leszek | "True independent open alternative" is the slogan in the SailfishOS 2.0 video | 08:02 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah... OEMs dont seem to be getting on that bandwagon | 08:02 |
| Sailor11589 | i'm sorry for expecting more from this project | 08:03 |
| Krikke | lol | 08:03 |
| leszek | Sailor11589: like I said thats unrealistic to expect it to overtake Android or iOS | 08:03 |
| leszek | at least not now. There are dozen steps to be taken first before one can dream about this | 08:04 |
| r0kk3rz | Sailor11589: most of us are a bit war weary from expecting too much for the last 4 years :) | 08:04 |
| r0kk3rz | its a freaking miracle Jolla is still around tbh | 08:04 |
| Sailor11589 | leszek: linux had reached it level that Microsoft also joined linux foundation | 08:04 |
| leszek | yeah especially if you see who else failed | 08:04 |
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| leszek | Microsoft, Canonical, Mozilla all bigger and more known companies than Jolla | 08:05 |
| r0kk3rz | + blackberry | 08:05 |
| Sailor11589 | i thought this is GNU/linux for phones | 08:05 |
| r0kk3rz | it is, mostly | 08:05 |
| leszek | Sailor11589: Microsoft is slowly getting obsolete everywhere as more and more mobile stuff is used and they failed with their mobile strategy. Servers are running on linux and desktop is dying out slowly but steadily. So microsoft is trying to rescure itself by saying "hey server market, we can run linux aswell" | 08:06 |
| Sailor11589 | that's why I'm expecting such highly | 08:06 |
| r0kk3rz | ah yes, the GNU\Linux secret sauce, because thats worked so well everywhere else :P | 08:07 |
| leszek | r0kk3rz: oh yeah blackberry failed earlier though with BB10. Though thats still somehow in zombie mode providing security updates but no new devices or big features | 08:07 |
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| leszek | and BB10 is one of the biggest competitiors for Jolla when it comes to government and the os they use for securing their shit | 08:08 |
| r0kk3rz | well, they're using android now | 08:08 |
| r0kk3rz | and being canadian are too close to the US sphere of influence | 08:09 |
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| leszek | r0kk3rz: are they ? At least here in Europe several governments are still using BB10 devices | 08:10 |
| r0kk3rz | the latest devices are all android, perhaps they will continue to support the govt business | 08:11 |
| leszek | you mean blackberry ? Yeah thats why they did the 10.3.3 niap or how it is called certification and said they will provide updates. Infact they have contracts with governments so that they don't need to replace their phones every 2 years. So yeah many BB10 devices still used in governments. | 08:12 |
| r0kk3rz | still, afaik they havent released a new BBOS device since 2015... | 08:13 |
| nh1402 | aren't Canonical planning a (partial) IPO? | 08:13 |
| leszek | r0kk3rz: thats true. Most of the phones I saw in the hands of government people were BB Q10s some Classics and Z10s and Z30s. So all old phones | 08:14 |
| lpotter | nh1402: yes, but Canonical doesn't make phone software anymore | 08:14 |
| nh1402 | I think that's why they are doing an IPO, to recoup their losses from money funded towards their former mobile division | 08:15 |
| r0kk3rz | i wonder whether its just shuttleworth losing his delusions of grandeur | 08:16 |
| leszek | most probably it is. Or he is fed up with throwing money at canonical | 08:16 |
| nh1402 | he was the one pushing for mobile wasn't he? | 08:16 |
| leszek | exactly | 08:16 |
| leszek | the grand vision of Unity and convergence | 08:17 |
| nh1402 | and since he was throwing money at it, and then gave up, he wants that money back | 08:17 |
| leszek | not sure if he wants all money back but he wants to earn something with canonical for sure | 08:17 |
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| leszek | though killing a project like ubuntu touch or unity 8 a few months before its grand release is almost as bad as leo apotheker killing hps webos 1 week after release of new devices :P | 08:18 |
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| nh1402 | ah yes, the tablet and phone that were sold off for about £30 -£50 iirc, sold off in no time, and the touchpad at least is still being used today, with android port. | 08:20 |
| r0kk3rz | leszek: you can also throw HP on the pile of those-who-have-failed :) | 08:22 |
| leszek | nh1402: I am even using it with webos and open mobile acl as kitchen tablet every morning for getting some news or watching some stuff. (The jolla tablet does not make it here as it has the battery and overheating issues) | 08:22 |
| leszek | r0kk3rz: yeah true | 08:23 |
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| nh1402 | leszek: well the Jolla Tablet has an Intel CPU which is probably the cause of the battery and overheating issues | 08:36 |
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| leszek | yeah. On hot summer days I can fix the wifi/bt not working by putting the tablet in the fridge for 2 mins | 08:45 |
| leszek | or taken apart the back side and keep blowing on the chip :P | 08:45 |
| Krikke | :D | 08:46 |
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| nh1402 | leszek: you could stick a heatsink on there | 08:51 |
| leszek | nh1402: from what I see the backplate should be heatsink already | 08:52 |
| leszek | at least the back gets warm quickly when taken a look at several hd videos | 08:52 |
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| nh1402 | leszek: gold plate the backplate then | 09:01 |
| leszek | :) | 09:09 |
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| nh1402 | leszek: like the engine bay of the Mclaren F1 | 09:24 |
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| leszek | yeah that would look nice | 09:25 |
| nh1402 | brilliant piece of engineering there, it's been the fastest naturally aspirated car for 25 years so far, and still going. | 09:25 |
| nh1402 | the Bugatti Veyron and the Mclaren F1 are 11 years a part, and it (Mclaren F1) would still beat it in a 1/4 mile drag race. | 09:27 |
| leszek | yeah its astonishing | 09:28 |
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| nh1402 | AND it *only* has 618 HP | 09:32 |
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| tars | vp8/vp9 support for sailfish os | 16:52 |
| r0kk3rz | tars: has it worked yet? | 16:55 |
| tars | r0kk3rz: nope | 16:56 |
| King_DuckZ | ah the mad dude | 16:56 |
| tars | r0kk3rz: which gstreamer plugin should i install | 16:58 |
| King_DuckZ | http://s.quickmeme.com/img/ff/ff2b6c92d2ac55785aa6b77c083da870ae837e66d74884cba15ae97adc4505ee.jpg | 16:59 |
| King_DuckZ | they have a meme for about anything these days | 16:59 |
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| tars | King_DuckZ:i didn't know some grammar dudes are also part of this channel. | 17:01 |
| kimmoli | the're alot grammar dudes here | 17:01 |
| tars | yeah diverting the topic instead of into request | 17:02 |
| King_DuckZ | grammar dudes on this channel :D | 17:02 |
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| tars | anyone help me with vp8/vp9 codec? | 17:04 |
| kimmoli | tars: which device? | 17:04 |
| tars | Aqua Fish | 17:05 |
| tars | with sailfish os 2.1.0.11 | 17:06 |
| kimmoli | it was enabled for some ports (for 2.0.5.6), but afaik it started to fail after 2.1. | 17:06 |
| tars | browser is able to play vp8 but video player is not playing it | 17:07 |
| kimmoli | yes. browser uses different set | 17:07 |
| leszek | tars: i complained also about this | 17:07 |
| leszek | it got fixed upstream already | 17:08 |
| kimmoli | it is the gst-droid package that needs a patch | 17:08 |
| leszek | will land with 2.1.2 as far as I understood | 17:08 |
| tars | leszek: what should i do now? | 17:09 |
| kimmoli | you could build gst-droid with vp8 enablers | 17:09 |
| leszek | use the browser to playback for now. Or you could try recompiling that lib yourself | 17:09 |
| kimmoli | what version of gst-droid you have installed? | 17:09 |
| tars | where can i get gst-droid | 17:09 |
| kimmoli | the user-enableable support has been in sources since last summer | 17:10 |
| kimmoli | https://github.com/sailfishos/gst-droid | 17:10 |
| leszek | and thats the patch: https://github.com/sailfishos/gst-droid/pull/13/commits/0487f3876ebf804e25d1ab547bcfd5c88fb3edea | 17:10 |
| kimmoli | its pulled already, so just build head | 17:11 |
| tars | did it work for you guys? | 17:12 |
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| kimmoli | not tested that myself yet. | 17:17 |
| kimmoli | could do a test. but first pizza | 17:17 |
| leszek | not tested here too. I did not had the time. And my build system is still old | 17:19 |
| leszek | I guess building in the vbox sd vm is too slow anyways to try it | 17:19 |
| leszek | *sdk | 17:19 |
| tars | but this open source codecs should be like default right for such os | 17:20 |
| leszek | tars: thats why it got activated for the next update of SailfishOS. Its just a bug that it got "disabled" (older gstreamer version other methods of decoding video and such in the past) | 17:23 |
| tars | fine | 17:23 |
| leszek | tars: so basically it was working in the past and then broke somehow | 17:23 |
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| tars | btw csd tool is showing my temperatures as Surface:41 core:52 battery:41. Is it normal? | 17:24 |
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| leszek | tars: depends on the device. But it does not look critical to me | 17:25 |
| tars | fine | 17:26 |
| tars | list of essential apps for sailfish os | 17:26 |
| kimmoli | paint and heebo :) | 17:27 |
| leszek | tweetian, webcat, lls vplayer | 17:27 |
| leszek | straight from my head :P | 17:27 |
| kimmoli | communi irc | 17:27 |
| leszek | gpodder, quickdit, irc | 17:27 |
| leszek | warehouse | 17:27 |
| leszek | noto | 17:28 |
| leszek | ... | 17:28 |
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| tars | when will be the next update for sailfish os | 17:32 |
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| leszek | I don't know. There are no ETAs usually. So basically "when its ready" | 17:33 |
| tars | leszek: how to use tor for webcat? | 17:39 |
| leszek | tars: compile the latest git build and you will have a switch to enable tor proxy settings inside webcat | 17:40 |
| leszek | tars: I am still waiting for translators to get their localizations for this feature and some other changes inside the proxy view until I can release it | 17:41 |
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| leszek | maybe also some new fix could land. Not sure currently | 17:41 |
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| loicm | https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/5/24/15687412/sony-discontinuing-midrange-xperia-line-flagship-smartphones | 20:43 |
| loicm | Xperia X wasn't the phones with futures sfOS support? | 20:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats the one | 20:56 |
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