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| abranson | sage: adding connman.service to the After of the msync service seems to fix it - of course there's a large delay in connman starting on the sony due to the mac address generating applet needing to run and bring the adapter up first. Did you say there was another problem in the unit file? | 07:47 |
| abranson | Is it better to depend directly on connman, or the network target, or something else? is there a convention here? | 07:47 |
| abranson | aag wrong room :s | 07:48 |
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| leszek | hi | 08:01 |
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| leszek | so I managed to build now qtwebkit 5.212 though my spec files seems wrong as the cmake stuff wants to install the stuff in /usr/lib/cmake. So I guess it tries to install in the build system which is wrong. If someone can help me to improve the .spec file so it installs it in the buildroot or how it is called (the temp folder for the stuff that gets packaged into rpm) | 08:04 |
| leszek | thats the error: https://dpaste.de/P0SP | 08:04 |
| leszek | and thats the spec file: https://dpaste.de/gyZe | 08:05 |
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| leszek | note I commented our the qmake stuff as qtwebkit now uses cmake to compile | 08:05 |
| leszek | or to configure | 08:06 |
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| leszek | nh1402: do you maybe happen to know a little spec foo and cmake foo to make it work. I guess its pretty simple but I am building deb packages my whole life basically so I am clueless in the rpm department (see above ^^) | 08:08 |
| nh1402 | leszek: not the slightest idea, I know less than you about spec files, cmake, Qt and C++ | 08:12 |
| leszek | oh .. hmm... too bad. I'll guess I read some spec files then from opensuse to get a clue | 08:13 |
| nh1402 | my mentality about getting quicksilver to work was, well no one else is doing it and yet they complain browser being too old in Sailfish, F it I'll do it. | 08:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats the attitude! | 08:14 |
| dcaliste | Hello chriadam_, are you available to discuss the deletion issue ? | 08:14 |
| r0kk3rz | nothing annoys me more than people who complain about open source software, and don't actually help. usually offering up excuses like "i dont know how" or "sorry, no time" | 08:15 |
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| Tegu | on one hand, it can be annoying, but on the other hand, no every open source software user should have to be a developer | 08:16 |
| leszek | true aswell. They can pay one developer to take a look though :P | 08:17 |
| Tegu | :) | 08:17 |
| leszek | so opensuse builds their stuff like sailfish does with qmake still | 08:17 |
| leszek | ah fedora has a 5.212 rpm | 08:17 |
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| chriadam_ | dcaliste: hi | 08:19 |
| chriadam_ | dcaliste: yes :-) so why does it occur after 5 failed syncs/ | 08:19 |
| dcaliste | chriadam_, maybe you've seen my comment on TJC and in the MER bug ? | 08:19 |
| dcaliste | It seems to me that the sync daemon keeps log of the five last attempts only. | 08:20 |
| chriadam_ | yes, but I didn't understand why the behaviour was different after the 5 sync cycles as opposed to after 1 | 08:20 |
| dcaliste | Because after one, the lastsuccessfulsync time exists in the file. | 08:20 |
| r0kk3rz | Tegu: perhaps i just expect people to be grateful when people give things that they do in their spare time away for free :) | 08:20 |
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| dcaliste | But after five there is no more lastsuccessfulsync in this file. | 08:20 |
| chriadam_ | dcaliste: ah, I see now. | 08:20 |
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| dcaliste | So the plugin triggers a cleansync. | 08:21 |
| dcaliste | Sorry, not a clean sync no. | 08:21 |
| dcaliste | My mistake, but delete the notebook in the finishSync functyion. | 08:22 |
| dcaliste | On network error while mFirstSync is true. | 08:22 |
| dcaliste | What do you think is better then ? To add specific treatment depending on network error types ? | 08:22 |
| chriadam_ | my gut feeling is: Buteo should store the data about the last successful sync, and not overwrite it with failed syncs. | 08:22 |
| chriadam_ | but a couple of other possibilities: 1) as you say, specific treatment depending on error, 2) could add a "last successful sync timestamp" to the caldav.ini | 08:23 |
| dcaliste | Exactly my thoughts ! | 08:23 |
| dcaliste | But cannot decide which way is better… | 08:24 |
| dcaliste | Maybe a specific treatment of error (i.e. not to erase notebook on error server not reachable because) is simpler for now, and I can give a look to Buteo. | 08:25 |
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| dcaliste | Patching Buteo seems cleaner for me, especially that lastSuvccessfulSync is part of the PAI IMHO. | 08:25 |
| dcaliste | Which is broken now. s/PAI/API/ sorry. | 08:25 |
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| chriadam_ | dcaliste: at some point we (Jolla) need to clean up buteo | 08:29 |
| chriadam_ | the code needs to be cleaned up, the APIs need to be refactored, etc | 08:29 |
| dcaliste | What do you think of the work plan like that: | 08:30 |
| chriadam_ | but I guess we shouldn't wait for that. I wonder how difficult it would be to store the lastSuccessfulSync data for each profile, separately in the sync log? | 08:30 |
| dcaliste | - add a specific treatment for ServerNotReachable error in finishSync() ; | 08:30 |
| dcaliste | - investigate in Buteo to actually store the last succesfull sync date in the XML file. | 08:31 |
| chriadam_ | definitely sounds reasonable to me | 08:31 |
| dcaliste | Second point should not be very complicated anyway, it's an XML file, easy to add things without breaking (except the concurrent access issues). | 08:32 |
| dcaliste | Ok, great, so I'll do these when I have time and report to you in the MER bug. | 08:32 |
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| rinigus | leszek: I have an example for cmake-based build and rpm spec at https://github.com/rinigus/libosmscout/blob/sailfish/packaging/sailfish/libosmscout-qt.spec . hopefully, would help | 08:39 |
| chriadam_ | thanks. although you may be underestimating the complexity of the last one, depending on what built-in assumptions the buteo code has about the format of those sync logs ;-) | 08:39 |
| leszek | rinigus: thx very much. I'll take a look at it | 08:40 |
| chriadam_ | but we'll see. anyway if you hit any walls, let me know. as always, I greatly appreciate the effort you're spending. | 08:40 |
| chriadam_ | dcaliste: (also sorry about my slow responses, I'm in another meeting so trying to multiplex) | 08:40 |
| rinigus | leszek: good luck! | 08:42 |
| leszek | thx | 08:42 |
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| dcaliste | chriadam_, ;) I trust you, I'll give a look at Buteo, and try not to get scared ! I'm lagging also on reply having discussion with collegues at the same times ! | 08:48 |
| chriadam_ | scared isn't the right word. baffled is closer ;-) | 08:49 |
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| dcaliste | Besides, I'm testing a patch for the ical issue stripping lines. The patch is in incidencehandler, because looking at ical parser code, the stripping is done at the core, and I guess i'll break a lot of other assumptions if I modify it. | 08:50 |
| dcaliste | I'll report to you later after completing my tests. | 08:50 |
| TheBootroo|work | Will there be a possibility to install SFOS on Nokia 3/5/6/8 ?? | 08:51 |
| TheBootroo|work | they are pretty solid HW building quality, and SFOS on it would be awesome | 08:51 |
| TheBootroo|work | 3rd party port pending/wip ? | 08:51 |
| chriadam_ | dcaliste: sounds good :-) tyvm. | 08:52 |
| TheKit | TheBootroo|work, they have locked bootloader and HMD violates GPL by not releasing Linux kernel source code | 08:52 |
| TheBootroo|work | TheKit: which linux kernel ?? | 08:53 |
| TheKit | for Nokia 3/5/6/8 | 08:53 |
| TheKit | (Android is running on Linux kernel) | 08:53 |
| TheBootroo|work | TheKit: yeah i know | 08:53 |
| TheBootroo|work | but they use plain raw Android | 08:53 |
| TheBootroo|work | no nokia-specific SW | 08:53 |
| TheKit | kernel is device-specific though | 08:53 |
| TheBootroo|work | no way to unlock bootloader ? | 08:54 |
| nh1402 | TheKit: I'm surprised the real Nokia are condoning HMD's behaviour of violating GPL | 08:54 |
| TheKit | it's probably nobody cared to raise awareness of this | 08:55 |
| TheKit | https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-6/help/kernel-source-t3545652 | 08:55 |
| dcaliste | chriadam_, thank you for support and discussion. Have a godd meeting, see you. | 08:58 |
| TheBootroo|work | the Xperia X port is a nice thing but Sony devices are very expensive, and not as solid as Nokia's | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo|work | would be nice if Jolla would help porting SFOS officially on less expensive HW (max 250€) | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo|work | also, any news of Livermorium ? | 09:01 |
| r0kk3rz | TheBootroo|work: yeah but Sony are doing TheRightThingTM when it comes to putting in effort for unified kernel and upstreaming to mainline | 09:01 |
| Renault | nh1402: it depends, Nokia has to send patch or complete source code to customers if they make a request for that. A public release of that is not mandatory by GPL | 09:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | r0kk3rz: maybe but i'm not putting +400€ in Xperia X in addition to 50€ for SFOS image | 09:02 |
| TheKit | not sure if Nokia-branded Chinese Androids are really better compared to simply Chinese Androids | 09:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | TheBootroo|work: thats your choice | 09:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | i'll never spend more than 300€ in a phone again | 09:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | spent too much money on these in the past | 09:03 |
| TheBootroo|work | N900, N9, Jolla 1 etc | 09:03 |
| TheKit | +400€ is too much for Xperia X though | 09:03 |
| TheKit | you can probably find it cheaper | 09:03 |
| TheBootroo|work | lot of 250€ phones now are really good, only OS is shit | 09:03 |
| TheBootroo|work | TheKit: used maybe, but not new | 09:03 |
| TheKit | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Xperia-X-Dual-Sim-64GB-Black-5-Smartphone-Unlocked-4GLTE-Mobile-F5122-NEW-/252660687694?epid=681077530&hash=item3ad3c0234e:g:a1cAAOSw4GVYPrAO - new, but it's double SIM | 09:04 |
| TheBootroo|work | TheKit: most sellers here list it between 415 and 450 € | 09:04 |
| TheBootroo|work | TheKit: double SIM version not supported | 09:04 |
| r0kk3rz | well if you want something outside the mainstream, you need to pay the price | 09:04 |
| r0kk3rz | if you want a cheap android phone, theres plenty available | 09:05 |
| TheBootroo|work | r0kk3rz: i want a "cheap" (not that cheap) android phone with SFOS on it | 09:05 |
| TheKit | <s>how about Sailfish port for ZTE Blade L110</s> | 09:05 |
| TheBootroo|work | eg something like nokia 6 (260€) + SFOS image | 09:05 |
| TheBootroo|work | ~300€ | 09:05 |
| TheBootroo|work | cheap SFOS devices are only available in China, India or Russia | 09:06 |
| r0kk3rz | TheBootroo|work: good luck with your quest | 09:06 |
| TheBootroo|work | here in Europe we can only buy expensive ones (Turing, Xperia, etc) | 09:06 |
| TheKit | there is Inoi, but no Alien Dalvik on it | 09:06 |
| TheBootroo|work | TheKit: Inoi can't be delivered outside russia, not passing customs | 09:06 |
| TheKit | are you in Germany? | 09:06 |
| TheBootroo|work | nope, france | 09:07 |
| Renault | (but you forgot to take into account that, if Jolla supports many devices, it should take many times et updates should be very slower, too much time should be spend to test or improve hardware support instead of improving pure software) | 09:07 |
| TheKit | hm, ok | 09:07 |
| TheKit | I just impression from Intex Aqua Fish topics that it's the Germany customs that are the most strict | 09:07 |
| TheBootroo|work | Renault: HW support is mainly up to the manufacturer, Jolla only gives advices | 09:07 |
| TheBootroo|work | TheKit: they are | 09:08 |
| Renault | lol | 09:08 |
| Renault | I guess you didn't work in embedded software world | 09:08 |
| TheBootroo|work | Renault: i do | 09:08 |
| r0kk3rz | huh? typically the customers pay jolla for the porting work... | 09:08 |
| r0kk3rz | its something of a specialised task :) | 09:09 |
| TheBootroo|work | Renault: jolla is using linux kernel and already did the heavy lift when ported sfos on tablet (x86) and then on xperia (arm 64) | 09:09 |
| TheBootroo|work | no other platform is used in mobile | 09:09 |
| Renault | Did you work for a phone company or an industrial one? I worked for SFR (French too) and industry supplier, it is not as easy as you said | 09:09 |
| TheKit | I wonder if INOI was done by Jolla or OMP though | 09:09 |
| TheBootroo|work | so porting on new HW will use already ported kernels. Drivers are up to the manufacturer (jolla will/can not invent them) | 09:09 |
| r0kk3rz | TheKit: i can see why OMP would want to develop that skill in house | 09:10 |
| r0kk3rz | not so much with people like intex | 09:10 |
| r0kk3rz | TheBootroo|work: yeah... it doesnt work like that in this case | 09:10 |
| r0kk3rz | would be nice if it did, would make community porting a lot easier | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo|work | what i'm saying is that now jolla have support for main mobile architectures, and if they partner with manufacturers, they will provide the android drivers, which jolla can use directly with libhybris, so would not be that difficult to adapt SFOS | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo|work | the hard thing was to gain ARM64 support | 09:11 |
| r0kk3rz | have you tried porting an android device for sailfish? | 09:12 |
| TheKit | try doing a community port to understand :) | 09:12 |
| TheBootroo|work | which they suceeded | 09:12 |
| TheBootroo|work | TheKit: r0kk3rz : i can't because no manufacturer will give me the way to unlock bootloader, neither drivers | 09:12 |
| TheBootroo|work | but they would if jolla partners with them just like with Intex or Sony | 09:12 |
| r0kk3rz | TheBootroo|work: then listen to the people who have, its not as easy as you make it out to be | 09:13 |
| TheKit | a lot of phones come with unlockable bootloader | 09:13 |
| Renault | TheBootroo: you forgot many things, Linux kernel (or patched) provided by manufacturer are in generally very crap, very difficult to exploit them, to have a "common kernel" for several devices, you have to fix many fixes in the code, and if the kernel is old you have to backport patch or rewrite drivers to have wanted features... | 09:13 |
| TheBootroo|work | r0kk3rz: it's not easy BECAUSE we need to to retro-engineering, we would not need to if we had drivers and bootloader tools | 09:13 |
| TheKit | Jolla don't have drivers source code either, or there won't be need for libhybris | 09:14 |
| TheBootroo|work | TheKit: even with code, you need libhybris because android drivers are not compatible with GNU libC, they use Bionic,, different API | 09:15 |
| TheKit | I mean, if there was code, drivers could be compiled against GNU libc | 09:15 |
| TheBootroo|work | so even with code they would need to modify drivers to get rid of hybris | 09:15 |
| TheKit | it's mostly binary level incompatibility, not source level | 09:16 |
| TheBootroo|work | TheKit: there are some API differences | 09:16 |
| TheKit | yes, sure | 09:16 |
| r0kk3rz | theres also the question of support. the ODM will only support bionic | 09:16 |
| TheKit | well, https://gitlab.com/iuni - here are the typical leaked "in-house" device source code, with full Android tree | 09:17 |
| TheKit | you would be suprised by the amount of blobs in https://gitlab.com/iuni/n1/tree/master/vendor | 09:17 |
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| TheBootroo|work | TheKit: i'm not surprised, manufacturer act like bastards when it comes to mainstream device support | 09:19 |
| TheBootroo|work | they just don't like it | 09:19 |
| TheBootroo|work | so they provide shitty bins, supported by only one single version of kernel | 09:20 |
| TheBootroo|work | and we are stuck with it forever | 09:20 |
| TheBootroo|work | i work in embedded industry i know this issues | 09:20 |
| TheBootroo|work | i've only understood that "if android runs, SFOS can run" | 09:20 |
| TheBootroo|work | mostly because android drivers can be used | 09:20 |
| TheBootroo|work | and SFOS is lighter than android | 09:21 |
| Renault | can != easy | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo|work | yeah sure | 09:21 |
| r0kk3rz | for some features the middleware gap can be quite large too | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo|work | but, the fact that SFOS supports more platforms officially should make each new port easier than previous | 09:22 |
| TheBootroo|work | because more and more drivers and archs are supported in SFOS | 09:22 |
| TheBootroo|work | and in fact, most phones today share really similar specs | 09:23 |
| r0kk3rz | the spec similarity can be deceptive | 09:23 |
| r0kk3rz | but indeed, the more ports that are done the larger our knowledge base of 'known fixes' becomes | 09:23 |
| TheKit | then Google upgrades Android and we start anew :) | 09:24 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its a nice treadmill | 09:24 |
| Renault | but I guess that Jolla didn't have ressources for that, it should be better to improve the system and current hardware than adding other boards regulary | 09:24 |
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| Renault | (it difficult to maintain each board for each official release of the system) | 09:25 |
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| TheBootroo|work | Renault: the main issue with CURRENT hw is that it's now nowhere to be found | 09:25 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, but what use is a phone os that doesnt run on any hardware? | 09:25 |
| TheBootroo|work | Jolla 1 and Jolla C production is discontinued | 09:25 |
| TheBootroo|work | we simply can't buy official SFOS HW | 09:25 |
| Renault | soon, another one arrived, but you want another device because this one is not what you want and maybe it is the case for other with different criteria again | 09:27 |
| r0kk3rz | and why would they if they can only sell 5k devices @ 300€ each... | 09:27 |
| TheBootroo|work | Renault: xperia is not "another device", it's 3rd party (expensive) HW, with separate OS to buy and install by yourself, with (ATM) partial HW support | 09:27 |
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| TheBootroo|work | maybe make SFOS Xperia pre-installed available on Jolla Shop could help | 09:28 |
| TheBootroo|work | but there's still the price | 09:28 |
| TheBootroo|work | pretty high, almost flagship price point | 09:28 |
| TheBootroo|work | anyway, things are not going to change soon | 09:30 |
| Renault | the community complaigned about the device choice, there are very high prices (and too powerful) devices like Turing and very low cost device (Jolla C), they wanted a medium device, it is the case of Xperia X in fact | 09:30 |
| TheBootroo|work | Xperia X in not really mid range | 09:30 |
| TheBootroo|work | 64gb rom, 23mpx APN, 2K screen, i call this high end | 09:30 |
| nh1402 | Xperia X is FHD | 09:31 |
| nh1402 | 2K *can* be mistaken for 2560x1440 | 09:31 |
| TheBootroo|work | mid range to me is 200-300€ max | 09:31 |
| TheBootroo|work | because that's the price range where you find decent CPU, GPU, RAM, ROM and APN | 09:31 |
| Renault | for me it is 300-400€, so, it is relative :) | 09:31 |
| Mister_Magister | nh1402: i have 2K 2560x1440 | 09:32 |
| nh1402 | Mister_Magister: we're aware of your X Force :p | 09:32 |
| Mister_Magister | hah :D | 09:32 |
| TheBootroo|work | so i'm the only one not happy to pay 450+ € for partial HW support | 09:32 |
| Mister_Magister | just didn't get what do you mean by that misatke like 2560x1440 isn't 2k | 09:32 |
| r0kk3rz | then idk dont buy it then | 09:33 |
| nh1402 | *I* think mid-range is anything that doesn't use Qualcomm 800 series | 09:33 |
| leszek | TheBootroo|work: 450 is a bit high | 09:33 |
| TheBootroo|work | 23 mpx is not supported | 09:33 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah it is, they released new blobbies | 09:33 |
| TheBootroo|work | leszek: like i said, here in france, cheapest F5121 found new is 417€ VAT included + 50# SFOS | 09:34 |
| Mister_Magister | yeah low/mid.high my be separated using qualcomm. 200 low 400-600 mid 800 high | 09:34 |
| leszek | Saw 280 € for the XPeria X at the announcement day on media markt. Though so many people bought it that they raised the price again | 09:34 |
| leszek | TheBootroo|work: the good thing is you can buy from anywhere in europe :) | 09:34 |
| TheKit | Mister_Magister, 200 is low? | 09:34 |
| TheBootroo|work | Mister_Magister: nh1402 : cpu is not everything | 09:34 |
| nh1402 | the thing with Sony is that it's mid-range-y with Sony pricing | 09:34 |
| Mister_Magister | TheBootroo|work: yeah but it apply almost every time | 09:34 |
| TheBootroo|work | SFOS is more lightweight than Android, so snap 800 is somewhat overkill unless you do 3D videogame on mobile | 09:35 |
| leszek | nh1402: thats true though the build quality is good on those devices | 09:35 |
| Mister_Magister | TheKit: snapdragon 200 is lowend | 09:35 |
| Mister_Magister | TheBootroo|work: i know and i have 810 lol | 09:35 |
| TheKit | ah, you meant series, not prices :) | 09:35 |
| Mister_Magister | yup | 09:35 |
| leszek | the gpu is more important. I notice that everytime I compare my jolla 1 which is able to render more smoothly than the Jolla C. Part might be the lower resolution but also the slightly higher powered gpu helps there too | 09:36 |
| TheBootroo|work | leszek: to me most important is RAM, overall if dalvik is in use | 09:36 |
| Mister_Magister | leszek: my current gpu have higher frequency than cpu in my first android phone lol | 09:36 |
| TheBootroo|work | web browser + dalvik = insufficient ram = OOM errors and process killed | 09:37 |
| Mister_Magister | without dalvik 2GB is enaugh | 09:37 |
| Mister_Magister | 2GB is best and more than 2GB is overkill like you have 1GB free al the time | 09:37 |
| TheBootroo|work | i don't use mobile for 3D so huge cpu or gpu will just add cost, power consumption and heat | 09:37 |
| Mister_Magister | yup | 09:38 |
| Mister_Magister | especially on sfos | 09:38 |
| nh1402 | power consumption depends on RAM type | 09:38 |
| TheBootroo|work | i like 32+ GB ROM because even good SD Card are still shit compared to internal NAND | 09:38 |
| nh1402 | lppdr4x runs at roughly half the voltage of lpddr4 | 09:38 |
| Mister_Magister | TheBootroo|work: don;t think so sd XC may be good | 09:38 |
| nh1402 | and much lower than lpddr3 or lpddr2 | 09:38 |
| leszek | yeah 2GB RAM is usually enough for me | 09:38 |
| leszek | I only use one android app regulary | 09:39 |
| TheBootroo|work | and Full HD seem more than enought to me on 5" (what's up with that 4K thing on such small screen???) | 09:39 |
| Renault | TheBootroo|work: few days ago, this Xperia model was available at 330€ in France, but as explained here price raised because there are no stock, so it is not really expensive | 09:39 |
| Mister_Magister | 1GB is too small and 3GB is too big | 09:39 |
| Tegu | TheBootroo|work: 32 GB+ ROM? _ROM_? Read Only Memory? | 09:39 |
| Mister_Magister | what are we even talking about? | 09:39 |
| TheBootroo|work | Mister_Magister: i use class 10 SDXC and still experience issues when syncing spotify and listening at same time (I/O bottleneck) | 09:39 |
| Mister_Magister | because i joined and don;t know topic lol | 09:39 |
| Mister_Magister | :D | 09:39 |
| Renault | Tegu: no, flash memory, instead of SDcard or RAM memories | 09:39 |
| nh1402 | also power consumption also depends on NAND type, eMMC 5.0, eMMC 5.1, UFS 1.0, UFS 2.0, UFS 2.1 all have different power consumption, the latter being multiple times faster than others and still being more power efficient | 09:40 |
| Mister_Magister | It's called rom yeah dunnow hy | 09:40 |
| Tegu | Renault: okay, nothing to do with ROM then | 09:40 |
| TheBootroo|work | Mister_Magister: there is actually never too much rA | 09:40 |
| TheBootroo|work | RAM | 09:40 |
| Mister_Magister | TheBootroo|work: acutally there is | 09:40 |
| TheBootroo|work | websites (even mobile ones) are very heavy these days | 09:40 |
| Mister_Magister | i have 3GB now and 1GB is not even used | 09:40 |
| TheBootroo|work | webbrowser fails to load some of them | 09:41 |
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| Mister_Magister | sfos browser is closing websites anyway | 09:41 |
| TheBootroo|work | Mister_Magister: do you have dalvik ? | 09:41 |
| nh1402 | that's the thing about power consumption everyone thinks oh it has a 720p screen it must have good battery life, it's about the efficiency of components used. | 09:41 |
| Mister_Magister | no and i don't want to have | 09:41 |
| Mister_Magister | but i'll have anbox | 09:41 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: you might need to tweak the OOM killer then | 09:41 |
| Mister_Magister | thats why i choosed 3GB | 09:41 |
| r0kk3rz | but the browser will only keep a few tabs in memory anyway | 09:42 |
| Mister_Magister | yeah | 09:42 |
| Mister_Magister | and tabs are not working in multitasking sadly | 09:42 |
| Mister_Magister | i know it's about optimization but still | 09:42 |
| TheBootroo|work | r0kk3rz: Mister_Magister : i use Jolla C, 2GB ram, most of the time only 1 tab in browser + dalvik with 1 or less app, and i often fail to load some mobile websites | 09:43 |
| TheBootroo|work | i have either "forever blinking page" or "OOM kill" | 09:43 |
| Mister_Magister | lol my brother is using jolla 1 with aliendalvik heave game and with 3 tabs? | 09:43 |
| Renault | what is the webpage and the app? | 09:43 |
| TheBootroo|work | so 2GB may actually NOT be enough if you have even just one android app | 09:43 |
| Renault | I have always 4 tabs, 7 native apps and Whatsapp | 09:44 |
| Renault | no issues around memory | 09:44 |
| Mister_Magister | TheBootroo|work: when i'm talking about 2GB is enaugh i'm talking about sfos | 09:44 |
| TheBootroo|work | Renault: app is most of the time telegram, and pages are random news site mobile verion | 09:44 |
| Mister_Magister | for android 2TB isn't enaugh | 09:44 |
| TheBootroo|work | *version | 09:44 |
| TheBootroo|work | Mister_Magister: lol | 09:44 |
| Mister_Magister | android is heavier than desktop os | 09:44 |
| Mister_Magister | soooo | 09:44 |
| Renault | maybe you should use RSS reader for news instead of going to these websites directly | 09:44 |
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| TheBootroo|work | yeah android is sh*t but until SFOS gain marketshare, we will still need some non native apps | 09:45 |
| TheBootroo|work | (i have mobile websites instead everytime it's possible) | 09:45 |
| TheBootroo|work | Renault: i use RSS reader, i'm the dev of Feed'me, but sometimes your have to go to website to have full story | 09:45 |
| Mister_Magister | i got aliendalvik on tablet | 09:45 |
| Mister_Magister | and you know what? | 09:45 |
| Mister_Magister | i didn't know what to install | 09:45 |
| TheBootroo|work | Mister_Magister: you are lucky | 09:46 |
| Mister_Magister | i don't need anything. my brother uses it only for one game | 09:46 |
| guhl | TheBootroo|work, I have the same issue with a mobile news site (mobile.derstandard.at) and I am using mostly Web Pirate as a browser for this as it is not having these issues | 09:46 |
| TheBootroo|work | for my part i need daily Telegram (Dax stopped dev so SFOS version is lack a lot of features), SNCF (i use train to go to office) and Netflix (no way to have API to create a native version) | 09:46 |
| TheBootroo|work | guhl: yeah webpirate sometimes help | 09:47 |
| Mister_Magister | webpirate is good but slow and tough | 09:47 |
| guhl | Mister_Magister, for it is mostly faster then the SFOS browser | 09:47 |
| Mister_Magister | TheBootroo|work: what features do you need in telegram? | 09:47 |
| Mister_Magister | guhl: not on my moto g2 | 09:48 |
| guhl | talking about Jolla C | 09:48 |
| Mister_Magister | there are other phones lol :D | 09:48 |
| TheBootroo|work | Mister_Magister: working file transfers (Sailorgram often fails to send files correclty), and sometimes call (i have friends outside France) | 09:48 |
| Mister_Magister | TheBootroo|work: hmmm "well shit" my app will probably have only messaging support | 09:49 |
| TheBootroo|work | Mister_Magister: i use Sailorgram most of the times but i need to switch on android app for calls and transfers | 09:49 |
| TheBootroo|work | i think telegram apps devs should unite to create one full featured app | 09:50 |
| Mister_Magister | TheBootroo|work: i'm making messaging app based on libpurple and there is libpurple plugin for telegram | 09:50 |
| Mister_Magister | so juist saying | 09:50 |
| TheBootroo|work | (i'm dreaming, devs are too much selfish for this) | 09:50 |
| Mister_Magister | if you use other messaging types | 09:50 |
| Mister_Magister | file sending can be possible | 09:50 |
| TheBootroo|work | Mister_Magister: so you are using native message app and integrating telegram in it ? | 09:50 |
| TheBootroo|work | it won't support groups ? | 09:50 |
| Mister_Magister | nonono i'm making standaolne app that uses libpurple library and there is telegram plugin for libpurple | 09:51 |
| TheBootroo|work | ok | 09:51 |
| nh1402 | I always get confused with "Sailorgram" name | 09:51 |
| Mister_Magister | and my app will support every plugin facebook telegram etc | 09:51 |
| TheBootroo|work | Mister_Magister: hum | 09:51 |
| TheBootroo|work | that good old multiprotocol client dream | 09:51 |
| TheBootroo|work | most of platforms are removing their support for 3rd party clients | 09:52 |
| Mister_Magister | TheBootroo|work: actually when i'm developing it now i have discord and facebook | 09:52 |
| Mister_Magister | soooo it's not a dream :D | 09:52 |
| TheBootroo|work | googletalk/hangout is dying, fb messenger is probably already dead, whatsapp will never work, and telegram has full spec but hard to implement | 09:52 |
| Mister_Magister | but it's bnasically messages | 09:52 |
| Mister_Magister | and nothing more maybe file upload | 09:52 |
| Mister_Magister | MAYBE | 09:53 |
| Mister_Magister | https://github.com/majn/telegram-purple | 09:53 |
| TheBootroo|work | a full featured multiprotocol app would be even better than full featured telegram app, but yeah, it's never going beyond basic messaging because 3rd party APIs for services are getting less and less complete | 09:54 |
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| TheBootroo|work | that's how the world goes now, they create apps for iOS and android and you have to go with it, because they won't allow you to create complete 3rdparty apps, and they won't either develop native apps for other OSes | 09:55 |
| Mister_Magister | and i'm too lazy to add calling supoprt lol | 09:55 |
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| Mister_Magister | facebook plugin is basically reverse engineering | 09:56 |
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| TheBootroo|work | talking about native apps, that's too bad because if FB, Whatsapp, netflix, etc would use Qt for their app, they could have one single app running on Android, iOS, SFOS, Windows etc | 09:56 |
| TheBootroo|work | would make like so much easier | 09:57 |
| TheBootroo|work | i could live with native non-silica-looking apps | 09:57 |
| TheBootroo|work | still far better than android app or just no app | 09:57 |
| Mister_Magister | oh right | 09:57 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: ping | 09:57 |
| TheBootroo|work | (funny fact : do you know you can use much more Qt features on Qt for Android on Alien Dalvik than on native app..... yeah another hot subject !) | 09:58 |
| r0kk3rz | TheBootroo|work: they tried that with html5, they decided the overhead was worth it for native apps for each platform | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo|work | r0kk3rz: HTML5 is shit, its support on platform is VERY variable | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo|work | and yeah, perf is mostly atrocious | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | still, i dont see them rewriting everything in Qt... | 09:59 |
| TheBootroo|work | yep | 09:59 |
| TheBootroo|work | devs don't like changing langage | 09:59 |
| TheBootroo|work | so the best they could do is having decent APIs and let us do the job | 10:00 |
| TheBootroo|work | i definitely would if i could | 10:00 |
| r0kk3rz | not really, theres just practically no benefit and a lot of work to do so | 10:00 |
| TheBootroo|work | r0kk3rz: actually, they mandatory have them already, just private | 10:01 |
| TheBootroo|work | to be able to develop let say netflix android and ios apps, they used some communication api to get metadata and actual video data | 10:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | but they will just NEVER publish it | 10:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | same for FB, whatsapp, etc | 10:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | everyone uses APIs | 10:02 |
| r0kk3rz | i was talking about rewriting client apps | 10:02 |
| Mister_Magister | pssst reverse engineer them | 10:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | but very few make them public | 10:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | Mister_Magister: not always possible (encryptions, those things;...) | 10:02 |
| Mister_Magister | yeah sadly | 10:03 |
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| TheBootroo|work | yeah sometimes i kinda regret some good ol' plain text exchanges times | 10:03 |
| TheBootroo|work | i was able years ago to create 3rd party app for SNCF | 10:03 |
| TheBootroo|work | now it's not possible anymore | 10:03 |
| Renault | normally, SNCF should publish data in opendata (but it is not done yet) | 10:04 |
| Mister_Magister | sncf? | 10:04 |
| Renault | French trains company | 10:05 |
| Renault | (the only one) | 10:05 |
| Mister_Magister | Deutschland is good they have open api for trains | 10:05 |
| Mister_Magister | and bus/subway/trains in some bigger cities | 10:06 |
| Mister_Magister | it's in deutsch though | 10:06 |
| Renault | all transports companies have to publish their data in opendata without restrictions since a recent law, but the gouvernment didn't publish the text to apply this law for the moment | 10:08 |
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| Renault | so, it should happen here too, soon | 10:09 |
| TheBootroo|work | yep | 10:09 |
| TheBootroo|work | hopefully | 10:09 |
| TheBootroo|work | at least one android app i'll be able to throw away | 10:09 |
| TheBootroo|work | ^^ | 10:09 |
| TheBootroo|work | i think when i'll have time i'll try to continue dax's work on Sailorgram maybe | 10:10 |
| TheBootroo|work | but i've so many projects already... | 10:10 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: ping | 18:06 |
| saidinesh5 | Sup Mister_Magister | 18:06 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: hi o/ how is library going? you said 2 weeks so 2 weeks passed | 18:07 |
| saidinesh5 | lol . Sunday i got distracted with commpiling webkit. okay let me do it tonight.. | 18:07 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: no hurry i realised i'm using libpurple in completly wrong way lol :D | 18:10 |
| saidinesh5 | phew | 18:10 |
| saidinesh5 | Mister_Magister: you may find this useful btw. https://github.com/Proemion/SortFilterProxyModel/pull/7/files | 18:11 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: like pm's are good but connecting to groups is kind of async | 18:12 |
| saidinesh5 | Ah not sure.. | 18:12 |
| Mister_Magister | hmmm? | 18:12 |
| saidinesh5 | havent used the libpurple api.. so i am not sure | 18:13 |
| saidinesh5 | although with signals and slots async events are trivial to handle | 18:13 |
| Mister_Magister | it was not a question i just said it lol | 18:13 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh | 18:13 |
| saidinesh5 | Also.. Mister_Magister you follow me on twitter right? check out the video i shared there yesterday.. some presentation related to UI programming | 18:14 |
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| Mister_Magister | lemme release build for x force | 18:14 |
| saidinesh5 | may not be *that* useful.. but seemed still valuable.. | 18:14 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh right.. | 18:14 |
| Mister_Magister | actually i don't :D | 18:14 |
| saidinesh5 | Also this seemed useful: https://github.com/benlau/quickflux | 18:15 |
| saidinesh5 | need to read more about it though | 18:15 |
| Mister_Magister | whoa you need followers approval | 18:15 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: i don't know for what this can be useful | 18:15 |
| saidinesh5 | the second link? | 18:16 |
| saidinesh5 | or the first link? | 18:16 |
| saidinesh5 | the first link is just a patch i added to sortfilterproxymodel to sort elements with numbers properly | 18:16 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: the last one | 18:24 |
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| saidinesh5 | Ahh... that one is more of a design pattern rather than library. but library too if you want to make use of | 18:25 |
| saidinesh5 | basically it is about architecting your code so events go in just one direction as opposed to a sphagetti mess | 18:25 |
| r0kk3rz | saidinesh5: not qtwebkit? | 18:26 |
| saidinesh5 | r0kk3rz: Qtwebkit was giving me an error when i tried compiling it locally over the weekend | 18:26 |
| saidinesh5 | something something Makefile iirc | 18:26 |
| r0kk3rz | saidinesh5: leszek is compiling it on OBS if you wanted to band together | 18:27 |
| saidinesh5 | r0kk3rz: heh he had a bug on OBS, so tried to reproduce it locally. but I got a different error locally.. long before his one.. | 18:28 |
| r0kk3rz | ah you know already, cool | 18:28 |
| saidinesh5 | Yep. I tried QtWebEngine a little before this but that keeps pulling in 1 dependency after another.. | 18:29 |
| leszek | saidinesh5: I successfully compiled qtwebkit + backported css and javascript patches from 5.7 and 5.8 = https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:leszek/qtwebkit | 18:29 |
| saidinesh5 | leszek: Ahh congrats.. btw. why was your build erroring about cmake tests? | 18:30 |
| leszek | currently I am trying to build qtwebkit 5.212 which provides a newer webkitcore and javascriptcore which potentially is much better and provides modern browsing experience | 18:30 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh | 18:31 |
| leszek | saidinesh5: I am not sure I guess the rm for the tests and the config option did not work well together | 18:31 |
| leszek | I commented the rm command for test and that made it built | 18:31 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh.. I see | 18:31 |
| leszek | now the qtwebkit 5.212 is another beast. talked with the one responsible of reviving qtwebkit and he fixed a bug for me regarding the qtwebchannel dependency that sailfishos does not provide. qtwebkit should be able to build without it but it didn't | 18:32 |
| leszek | that is what I fixed yesterday | 18:32 |
| leszek | and I succesfully built the stuff though the package rpm building failed | 18:33 |
| saidinesh5 | QtWebengine also needed qtwebchannel iirc | 18:33 |
| saidinesh5 | i think qtwebchannel was pulling in Qtwebsockets.. | 18:33 |
| leszek | yeah everything needs qtwebchannel nowadays :P | 18:33 |
| saidinesh5 | which was pulling in something else lol | 18:33 |
| leszek | qtwebchannel only depends on qml and qtbase though | 18:33 |
| saidinesh5 | i remember being half way through that .. | 18:33 |
| * saidinesh5 checks | 18:33 | |
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| saidinesh5 | I think webchannel needs websockets | 18:34 |
| saidinesh5 | qtwebchannel qtwebchannel.log qtwebengine qtwebengine.log qtwebsockets qtwebsockets.log | 18:34 |
| saidinesh5 | those are the repos i had to clone | 18:34 |
| leszek | saidinesh5: today i spent most of the times reintegrating the sailfishos patches to qtwebkit (like addinputanimation and such | 18:34 |
| leszek | so that silicawebview does not break hopefully if this is built | 18:34 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh leszek could you use rpm patches instead of uploading the tarball everytime? | 18:34 |
| leszek | qtwebengine depends on qtwebsockets | 18:34 |
| saidinesh5 | that way our patches are manageable too | 18:35 |
| * saidinesh5 looks for an example | 18:35 | |
| leszek | saidinesh5: I patched the sourcecode all the time directly as I made too much errors and patches were cumbersome. But yeah the patch for qtwebchannel fix is in the tarball. The rest I will put as patch as soon as it is error free | 18:35 |
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| saidinesh5 | Ah aye | 18:36 |
| saidinesh5 | leszek: so you compiled the qtwebchannel? | 18:36 |
| leszek | these are only three files that need patches for the api stuff | 18:36 |
| leszek | saidinesh5: nope I didn't I applied the patch to make qtwebkit compile without qtwebchannel | 18:36 |
| saidinesh5 | Ah .. I compiled webchannel, websockets apparently.. | 18:37 |
| saidinesh5 | android/droid/droid-local-repo/cancro/qtwebchannel: | 18:37 |
| saidinesh5 | qt5-qtdeclarative-import-webchannel-5.6.0-1.armv7hl.rpm qt5-qtwebchannel-5.6.0-1.armv7hl.rpm qt5-qtwebchannel-devel-5.6.0-1.armv7hl.rpm | 18:37 |
| saidinesh5 | android/droid/droid-local-repo/cancro/qtwebsockets: | 18:37 |
| saidinesh5 | qt5-qtdeclarative-import-websockets-5.6.0-1.armv7hl.rpm qt5-qtwebsockets-5.6.0-1.armv7hl.rpm qt5-qtwebsockets-devel-5.6.0-1.armv7hl.rpm | 18:37 |
| saidinesh5 | will upload thesepackages and will try wrestling with the WebEngine again .. | 18:37 |
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| leszek | nice :) | 18:38 |
| leszek | yeah blink compiling will be the hardest | 18:38 |
| saidinesh5 | Yep. iirc it was throwing some weird error | 18:38 |
| leszek | the plasma guys are also struggeling to make webengine compile on arm | 18:38 |
| saidinesh5 | O_O | 18:38 |
| saidinesh5 | how come? | 18:38 |
| saidinesh5 | i thought webengine ran well on raspberrypi.. | 18:38 |
| leszek | I don't know. weird errors I guess | 18:39 |
| saidinesh5 | odd.. infact that's one reason i am looking at webengine, because of all the work google puts into arm.. | 18:39 |
| leszek | maybe its an qt 5.9.1 problem I don't know | 18:39 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh could be.. | 18:39 |
| saidinesh5 | that's the one annoying thing about sailfish.. lack of packages.. us having to redo all the work $DISTROs do.. | 18:40 |
| leszek | yeah but understandable | 18:40 |
| saidinesh5 | blink also needed ninja build back then | 18:40 |
| leszek | jolla can't support all packages | 18:40 |
| saidinesh5 | but why not use $FAMOUSARMDISTRO ? | 18:41 |
| leszek | that is usually the part mer should play but they also struggle | 18:41 |
| leszek | and they have some ideologist fear against gplv3 I heard | 18:41 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahhh interesting | 18:41 |
| saidinesh5 | i remeember N9 not having this problem.. | 18:42 |
| saidinesh5 | N900 too.. | 18:42 |
| leszek | not mer based and nokia backing the stuff and had hundreds of more people working on it | 18:42 |
| leszek | though technically the n900 debian base was a mess :P | 18:42 |
| leszek | patched packages everywhere | 18:43 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh didn't know that.. | 18:43 |
| leszek | unable to upgrade to a "newer debian base" | 18:43 |
| saidinesh5 | that sounds familiar now.. | 18:43 |
| saidinesh5 | i did like the N9's packaging thing though | 18:43 |
| saidinesh5 | apps go into /opt/<something> | 18:43 |
| saidinesh5 | and debian packages usually installed fine.. | 18:43 |
| leszek | yeah they cleaned up that mess :) | 18:44 |
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| saidinesh5 | Ahh,.. now i remember what was blocking webengine.. | 18:45 |
| saidinesh5 | needed to find some flag that fixed this: | 18:45 |
| saidinesh5 | /usr/bin/g++ -MMD -MF obj/device/power_save_blocker/power_save_blocker/power_save_blocker_x11.o.d -DDEVICE_POWER_SAVE_BLOCKER_IMPLEMENTATION -DV8_DEPRECATION_WARNINGS -DUSE_UDEV -DUSE_AURA=1 -DUSE_OPENSSL_CERTS=1 -DUSE_X11=1 -DNO_TCMALLOC -DDISABLE_NACL -DENABLE_TASK_MANAGER=1 -DENABLE_THEMES=1 -DUSE_PROPRIETARY_CODECS -DFULL_SAFE_BROWSING -DSAFE_BROWSING_CSD -DSAFE_BROWSING_DB_LOCAL -DCHROMIUM_BUILD - | 18:45 |
| saidinesh5 | DFIELDTRIAL_TESTING_ENABLED -DTOOLKIT_QT -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS -D__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS -DNDEBUG -DNVALGRIND -DDYNAMIC_ANNOTATIONS_ENABLED=0 -Igen -I../../../../src/3rdparty/chromium -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -fno-strict-aliasing --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -fstack-protector -funwind-tables -fPIC -pipe -pthread -march=armv7-a - | 18:45 |
| saidinesh5 | mfloat-abi=hard -mtune=generic-armv7-a -mfpu=neon -mthumb -Wall -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wno-psabi -Wno-unused-local-typedefs -Wno-maybe-uninitialized -Wno-missing-field-initializers -Wno-unused-parameter -O2 -fno-ident -fdata-sections -ffunction-sections -g0 -fvisibility=hidden -fno-threadsafe-statics -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -std=gnu++11 -Wno-narrowing -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -c ../../../../src/ | 18:45 |
| saidinesh5 | 3rdparty/chromium/device/power_save_blocker/power_save_blocker_x11.cc -o obj/device/power_save_blocker/power_save_blocker/power_save_blocker_x11.o | 18:45 |
| saidinesh5 | ../../../../src/3rdparty/chromium/device/power_save_blocker/power_save_blocker_x11.cc:5:22: fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory | 18:45 |
| saidinesh5 | #include <X11/Xlib.h> | 18:45 |
| saidinesh5 | ^ | 18:45 |
| saidinesh5 | ouch.. | 18:45 |
| fledermaus | -_- | 18:45 |
| saidinesh5 | trying to compile chromium is a totally different nightmare though. just the git clone itself was taking up gigabytes of space.. and the server was running out of space | 18:46 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: you still there? | 19:18 |
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| saidinesh5 | Yep.. barely though | 19:18 |
| saidinesh5 | ssup | 19:18 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: if you can/want look at it https://github.com/Michal-Szczepaniak/Morsender | 19:19 |
| saidinesh5 | is this the full app? | 19:20 |
| saidinesh5 | need to charge my phone to actually run this.. | 19:20 |
| saidinesh5 | or setup the emulator.. | 19:21 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: i mean you can look at source | 19:21 |
| Mister_Magister | you don't need to test it | 19:21 |
| saidinesh5 | Ah can you remind me of this tomorrow? i have had to clena up like 2000 lines of qml today | 19:22 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: i mean it's only if you have some free time, nothing to do and want to check if i didn't do something nasty :D | 19:23 |
| saidinesh5 | Ah will do | 19:23 |
| Mister_Magister | because i think it's good but you always say that something is bad lol :D | 19:24 |
| saidinesh5 | i think running this on teh device will give me a better idea than blindly readin gth ecode though | 19:24 |
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| Mister_Magister | sure i'm just unsure about this https://github.com/Michal-Szczepaniak/Morsender/blob/master/callbacktosignalconverter.cpp | 19:25 |
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| saidinesh5 | why a separate class? these callbacks usually come from the main class itself no? | 19:33 |
| saidinesh5 | So create a master class called say Purple , which has these signals and also exposes AccountsModel, BuddyModel etc. | 19:34 |
| saidinesh5 | that way in the UI all the user has to do is create a Purple { id: g_purple; //any other properties // any other signal connections } and access the accountsModel etc.. via. g_purple.accountsModel, g_purple.buddyModel | 19:35 |
| saidinesh5 | Also that way, your AccountsModel, BuddyModel etc.. all can listen to the signals of it's parent (Purple) and automatically update their state | 19:36 |
| Mister_Magister | what? | 19:38 |
| Mister_Magister | tomorrow :D | 19:38 |
| saidinesh5 | heh okay | 19:39 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: that video you were talking about. Watching it as php developer is kinda funny :D | 21:14 |
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