| Acou_Bass | flesk_: this is VERYY hit and miss but its something to consider - theres a thing called googleplaydownloader that yanks .apk files from play store and dumps them into a directory (its for linux desktop, probably windows too) so you can just sideload them | 00:17 |
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| Acou_Bass | but it is verrryyy hit and miss due to some of them requiring play services :P | 00:18 |
| Acou_Bass | this is how i do it on my nexus 4 inside sfdroid | 00:18 |
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| blap | is there an android program worth getting? | 00:28 |
| blap | there's an offline map navigator that i had which i might want | 00:28 |
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| flesk_ | Acou_Bass: Thanks for the tip. I'm on Linux, so that wouldn't be a problem. How "legal" is it though? I wouldn't want to use something that might be problematic legally (and morally). | 06:50 |
| flesk_ | The three apps I'm having trouble with are actually free though. Two are for physical products that I've bought and one is for reporting work hours to my employer. | 06:53 |
| flesk_ | Mister_Magister: Thanks for the tip. That might be interesting if I have any apps that rely on Google Play integration. Right now though, the concern is to download the apps to begin with. | 06:57 |
| flesk_ | Oh, they're not here anymore. | 06:57 |
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| flesk_ | Mister_Magister: There you are: "flesk_ Mister_Magister: Thanks for the tip. That might be interesting if I have any apps that rely on Google Play integration. Right now though, the concern is to download the apps to begin with." | 07:18 |
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| Mister_Magister | flesk_: i use aptoide | 07:18 |
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| flesk_ | Mister_Magister: Yeah, I looked at Aptoide, but those apps aren't there. | 07:25 |
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| Acou_Bass | flesk_: not legal on Google's TOS unfortunately so night get your account suspended i use a throwaway account for it ( Google throwaway accounts are's surprisingly hard to make...) | 07:58 |
| Acou_Bass | or maybe not, that might be something else, i forget xD | 08:00 |
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| flesk_ | Acou_Bass: Ok, thanks for the information. | 09:10 |
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| Mister_Magister | "The Sony XperiaTM X device is simply the best device currently to run official Sailfish OS. Its tech specs, camera quality, screen, and design if you like, will take your Sailfish OS experience to the next level" Well every of that is worse than my x force so what next level are you talking about lol | 13:48 |
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| Armadillo | is Bluetooth on the Xperia now working or why can't I find any mentioning about this on the blog, shop or the product page? | 13:51 |
| Armadillo | ah there it is, on the product page, nvm | 13:51 |
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| leszek | so windows is now a requirement to flash sailfishx | 13:58 |
| leszek | anyone tried if that works in virtualbox ontop of linux yet? | 13:58 |
| Mister_Magister | leszek: i don't see why it shouldnt work | 13:59 |
| Mister_Magister | or maybe kvm to have more native usb passthrough | 13:59 |
| nekron | Won't be the Sony FW update available through XperiFirm? | 14:00 |
| coderus | leszek: wtf are you talking about? | 14:00 |
| leszek | the announcement on jollas website | 14:00 |
| leszek | about sailfishx | 14:00 |
| coderus | show me line where "windows is a requirement" | 14:01 |
| nekron | If so flashtool for linux should work | 14:01 |
| leszek | coderus: "Sailfish X is currently aimed for developers and other tech lovers with some skills. This simple means that in order to get the software running properly on your Sony device you have to be tech savvy and have a Windows PC to get through the process. " | 14:01 |
| Mister_Magister | "and have a Windows PC to get through the process" | 14:01 |
| leszek | https://jolla.com/sailfishx/ | 14:01 |
| nekron | yes, but technically this is needed just to update the OEM partition blobs (and bootloader, too to use fastboot with oem part) | 14:02 |
| coderus | leszek: okay need to try this myself some day... | 14:03 |
| coderus | (for me it looks like sony requirement to ship firmware flashable with sony tool) | 14:04 |
| nekron | if you follow building the community port for Xperia X there is one step where you create the oem.img containing the vendor blobs from Sonys ASOP website | 14:04 |
| Mister_Magister | coderus: actually this software is needed to flash oem partitions | 14:05 |
| Mister_Magister | nothing more | 14:05 |
| Mister_Magister | one time trip | 14:05 |
| coderus | Mister_Magister: can't see why this is not doable using fastboot | 14:05 |
| Mister_Magister | because it's sony ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 14:05 |
| leszek | fastboot does not allow writing to the oem stuff | 14:05 |
| leszek | recovery can as far as I heard | 14:06 |
| nekron | with old bootloader fastboot flash oem did not work (I just read this somewhere at TMO), so a requirement is to upgrade to 34.3 firmware) | 14:06 |
| jakibaki | @leszek yes, the recovery-way to get the partition written via recovery is even on the HADK-page: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Sailfish_X_Build_and_Flash (search for "the linux way") | 14:07 |
| nekron | that new firmware contains updated bootloader so you can flash oem partition | 14:07 |
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| elros_ | anybody know how to use ISO_Level5_Shift? I would like to have right alt as 5th level for F1-F12 keys | 15:10 |
| elros_ | https://pastebin.com/x3ssActt right alt + a should print b | 15:14 |
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| elros_ | For the record. I guess I found it: key <RALT> { [ Mode_switch, Mode_switch ] }; | 15:29 |
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| flesk_ | Windows is required for Sailfish X now? | 15:49 |
| r0kk3rz | yes you need the sony flash tool | 15:50 |
| flesk_ | Ugh. Now I really regret getting this ancient phone. :( | 15:51 |
| r0kk3rz | ancient? lol. | 15:52 |
| Tegu | resist the urge to buy until you know more information :P | 15:52 |
| r0kk3rz | many people around these parts still use n900, *that* is ancient | 15:53 |
| Tegu | (and yes mentality would prevent, for example, all kickstarters) | 15:53 |
| Tegu | this mentality* | 15:53 |
| r0kk3rz | flesk_: there are ways around this requirement, but they are unofficial | 15:53 |
| flesk_ | Yeah, but my old phone broke last month, so I needed a replacement fast. Figured I'd get an Xperia X because of Sailfish X, and now it turns out to have been a waste? | 15:53 |
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| stephg | flesk_: why is it a waste? | 15:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | flesk_: if you want there are community builds you can flash already | 15:55 |
| flesk_ | Maybe not ancient, but old enough that they're really hard to come by. Only web retailers sell them, and only one at that. It's at least two years old I think. | 15:55 |
| flesk_ | stephg: Because there are much better phones in the same price range. This one isn't even water proof. | 15:56 |
| flesk_ | r0kk3rz: Which don't require Windows at all and will let me use Google Play apps? | 15:57 |
| r0kk3rz | yes and no | 15:57 |
| stephg | flesk_: I'm sure there will be a way to flash it without Windows | 15:58 |
| stephg | and the Google Play story will be the same as on other Jolla devices (i.e. sideload) | 15:58 |
| flesk_ | I'm mostly extremely disappointed in Sony. Feels like a dick move to require a proprietary platform to flash a Linux OS. | 15:59 |
| r0kk3rz | flesk_: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Sailfish_X_Build_and_Flash#The_Linux_Way | 15:59 |
| r0kk3rz | flesk_: its not a dick move by sony at all, if you want to flash OEM partition then you need their tool that they provide | 16:00 |
| r0kk3rz | that the tool is windows only is immaterial | 16:01 |
| flesk_ | Thanks, r0kk3rz. I'll take a look at that. | 16:01 |
| r0kk3rz | if they really want to be dicks, they wouldnt allow for any of this :) | 16:01 |
| stephg | r0kk3rz: I was thinking about that on the train, it's amazing they're allowing this at all if you think about it | 16:02 |
| stephg | (the commercial bit) | 16:02 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 16:02 |
| flesk_ | Well, I thought their open initiative was about more than just opening up their devices. I probably read too much into that, so that's on me. | 16:02 |
| r0kk3rz | flesk_: it is, they pay developers to work in the open on github for pure AOSP builds | 16:03 |
| r0kk3rz | they're also paying developers to work on mainlining drivers and building open source alternatives for proprietary services | 16:03 |
| r0kk3rz | Sony as a company is far from a saint with clean hands, but on this particular thing nobody has been better | 16:04 |
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| flesk_ | I'm not against paying at all. I just wish Windows wasn't a requirement for everything in the world. | 16:05 |
| stephg | well at least Windows 10 is 'free' should you need Emma | 16:06 |
| flesk_ | I'd happily pay twice to have a Linux installer. | 16:06 |
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| flesk_ | It's not free in the sense that matters. | 16:07 |
| jakibaki | flesk_: Will you pay me 50 Euros if I ssh into your computer and do the linux-way for you? :p | 16:07 |
| flesk_ | jakibaki: :P | 16:07 |
| blap | you're kidding right | 16:11 |
| abranson | i wonder if you can take your phone into a sony shop and ask them to do it | 16:12 |
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| Acou_Bass | question... if you do it the 'linux way' as outlined in that link, is that the 'official' image still (with xt9/dalvik/exchange support) or a 'community' build without those things? | 16:46 |
| jakibaki | Acou_Bass: the "linux way" is just for prepering a certain partition to contain the blob-partitions. It's meant for community-builds but will very likely (sledges strongly hinted at it) work with the official way. | 16:50 |
| jakibaki | *image | 16:50 |
| Acou_Bass | hmm ok | 16:50 |
| Acou_Bass | because yeah, im interested in a sailfish X but i dont have any windows machines XD | 16:51 |
| jakibaki | Acou_Bass: If you're willing to put in a bit more effort it won't be a problem using linux :) | 16:51 |
| Acou_Bass | im happy with effort | 16:51 |
| Acou_Bass | as that effort is probably still easier than finding a PC to install windows on, downloading a windows .iso, getting all that rubbish set up etc. | 16:52 |
| carepack | Acou_Bass: virtual machine? | 16:52 |
| Acou_Bass | also a faff to setup | 16:53 |
| Acou_Bass | it means making the VM do the USB stuff properly, and installing all the crap on windows that it needs to read phones properly... just too much effort XD plus id still have to download a .iso and install windows which takes forever | 16:53 |
| jakibaki | Acou_Bass: There are official virtual machines: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/. But you're still right that it's most likely easier to just do it the linux-way. | 16:54 |
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| Acou_Bass | :D | 16:54 |
| Acou_Bass | but yepp, sailfish runs real nice on my nexus 4, but the lack of support these days is making me want an upgrade... actual official jolla support appeals to me | 16:56 |
| Acou_Bass | even if its only for a year :P | 16:56 |
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| jakibaki | Acou_Bass: It will most likely be more than a year :) >we will continue providing standard Sailfish OS updates to the Sony devices as long as feasible (from the sailfish-x faq) | 16:57 |
| r0kk3rz | open source people are so sour, been burnt too many times i guess :( | 16:57 |
| Acou_Bass | yeah | 16:57 |
| Acou_Bass | i mean, how long ago did they make the nexus 4 port? and that still gets updates, albeit community ones... they just lag behind a lot (sometimes a few versions) | 16:58 |
| Acou_Bass | proper jolla devices get updates still dont they? | 16:58 |
| carepack | jolla 1 still gets | 16:58 |
| jakibaki | Acou_Bass: The Aqua fish lags behind a bit sometimes but you can Jolla-C-ify it to get updates instantly. | 16:59 |
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| Acou_Bass | yeah probably going to go for an X when i can then... gotta scrape my pennies together | 17:00 |
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| oozbooz | git email this morning, what is the point of artificial scarcity ... "limit X sale to tablet owner ..." | 17:09 |
| oozbooz | s/git/got | 17:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | oozbooz: thats only pre-sales, next week it will be open to all | 17:11 |
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| oozbooz | r0kk3rz, ... to accomplish what? | 17:13 |
| r0kk3rz | no idea really | 17:17 |
| oozbooz | and I didn't see US supported version as well... | 17:17 |
| r0kk3rz | perhaps it makes jollas life easier somehow | 17:17 |
| r0kk3rz | afaik the ol US of A wont be supported | 17:18 |
| oozbooz | is there a technical reason for that or legalities ? | 17:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | legalities i believe, but i dont think any details have been given | 17:24 |
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| flesk_ | The Linux way looks like a ton of work. :/ | 17:43 |
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| jakibaki | flesk_: I'm sure there will be an easy tutorial hours after release :) | 17:45 |
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| jakibaki | flesk_: You can also install this (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99875) community build and then run the commands that are pinned to the top of the thread to prepare the partition. | 17:46 |
| flesk_ | Hopefully one that doesn't require me to learn what droid-configs and hadk are. | 17:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | flesk_: that wiki is the full build instructions | 18:10 |
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| Boyeto | It's October 4th / 5th now, depending on where you live. Is Sailfish available for purchase yet? | 23:55 |
| Boyeto | I can't find it on the website | 23:55 |
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