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| Sailor2057 | hey, can someone tell me something about the jolla camera suporrt on xperia x? I would like to know is camera picture quality the same as on android? | 00:27 |
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| Sailor2057 | because on my last sony xperia the camera got worse after i unlocked the bootloader... | 00:29 |
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| chriadam_ | M-schmittlauch: thanks, re-shared the file, the links should live until the end of this month now | 01:01 |
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| Mister_Magister | in purple i have nss: ERROR -8179: SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER all the time. Any idea (asking because it's sfos libpurple with sfos nss) | 09:45 |
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| blap | so what is this investor who bought jolla | 10:14 |
| blap | who knows about him? | 10:14 |
| leszek | blap: source? | 10:17 |
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| Tomin | what, you can still buy Jolla? :O ;) | 10:18 |
| Tomin | (the phone) | 10:18 |
| leszek | Tomin: I think he meant the company | 10:19 |
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| leszek | but who knows | 10:19 |
| Tomin | leszek: I know, I was trying to make a joke | 10:19 |
| leszek | oh hmm.. :P | 10:19 |
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| nekron | Greetings... I have a strange problem regarding Xperia X and WLAN. When I am connected to my wlan and turn it off with the device suspended the os does not recognize that the link has been disconnected. | 11:13 |
| nekron | Thus conman is not switching over to mobile data connection | 11:14 |
| nekron | Question is how can I get more debug info from the broadcom driver? I read through the driver sources and found some comment that loglevel can be changed via sysfs. Where do I find that sysfs parameter in question? | 11:15 |
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| louis_ | I find it a bit strange that my Xperia X w/ SFOS can run Flickr under Alien Dalvik while I get "Installation Error" on my Jolla Tablet. They are both using an Alien Dalvik based on Android 4.4, while the Xperia has a newer adoption. | 11:20 |
| r0kk3rz | one is aarch64/armv7hl and the other is x86, its not that strange | 11:21 |
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| blap | i mean it might have implications for sailfish security | 11:25 |
| blap | who owns the company | 11:25 |
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| leszek | blap: I am still not sure what you are talking about | 11:28 |
| blap | i read about jolla getting a new investor | 11:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | naturally in this day and age its nice to be able to choose your masters | 11:30 |
| vgrade | Saving to: ‘gitlab-hybrid-imc-rootfs-x86_32-17c-ngihmi-tcu3sota--cqngi00172561-staging-17.42.4-144433-b34a1791440886948d6ce0451d33e4dce228df8a.tar.bz2’ | 11:37 |
| vgrade | gitlab-hybrid-imc-rootfs-x86_32-17c-ngihm 100%[=====================================================================================>] 1.32G 84.3MB/s in 39s | 11:37 |
| vgrade | woops | 11:38 |
| r0kk3rz | vgrade: o/ | 11:38 |
| vgrade | \o r0kk3rz | 11:38 |
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| leszek | blap: where do you read this? | 11:58 |
| blap | i don't have the link anymore, sorry | 11:59 |
| blap | but if i find more info i will post here | 11:59 |
| leszek | hmm... too bad | 11:59 |
| r0kk3rz | they've been owned by russian investors for a while no? | 11:59 |
| blap | so far it is looking bad indeed | 11:59 |
| blap | yes it's not *new* as in last month | 12:00 |
| r0kk3rz | so you can choose if you want the russians, 5eyes, or chinese spying on you :) | 12:01 |
| blap | yes for some interpretation of 'russian' | 12:01 |
| hahlo | is jolla going bankrupt? | 12:01 |
| blap | i haven't heard that | 12:02 |
| hahlo | ok good | 12:02 |
| r0kk3rz | they should be getting enough money from the russian and chinese programs | 12:02 |
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| fLegmatik | Russian investors saves Jolla from bankruptcy two years ago. https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/ENG_Jolla_Investment_press_release_Dec2015_FINAL2_63.pdf?x39789 | 12:22 |
| hahlo | its expensive to maintain phone software | 12:23 |
| r0kk3rz | especially when you dont have much of a revenue stream :) | 12:24 |
| hahlo | even ubuntu-touch quit | 12:24 |
| leszek | hahlo: they quit because they didn't had the balls to release their almost final product and mark decided he wants his company on stock exchange so he cut everything that only costs money | 12:26 |
| leszek | ubuntu touch never really had a chance this way | 12:26 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah basically shuttleworth decided he didnt want to bankroll it anymore | 12:26 |
| r0kk3rz | which is the same thing that happened to jolla really, one of their major investors pulled out | 12:26 |
| leszek | but yeah Jolla should have a good income also regarding the south american deals they made and the licenses they make money with from the Jala devices | 12:26 |
| leszek | r0kk3rz: yeah but in contrast to Jolla Ubuntu only really had one investor and still has one investor | 12:27 |
| leszek | Jolla had a bit more at least not to go bankrupt directly and they managed to get new investors | 12:28 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, thats why UT got canned and jolla managed to limp on until someone else saved them | 12:28 |
| r0kk3rz | could have very easily gone the other way though | 12:28 |
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| leszek | yeah. Its hard to survive if you want to earn money with software | 12:29 |
| hahlo | even microsoft-lumia quit :) | 12:29 |
| leszek | yeah microsoft that downfall began with elop taking over nokia | 12:29 |
| r0kk3rz | im not 100% convinced on that one just yet | 12:30 |
| leszek | r0kk3rz: the ms thingy? They pulled development from Windows Mobile or how it was called | 12:30 |
| r0kk3rz | yes, that i saw | 12:32 |
| r0kk3rz | im not fully convinced that means they've completely abandoned mobile though | 12:32 |
| hahlo | btw I got ubuntu meizu mx4 device, now with flyme, any chanche to install saifishos on it? | 12:35 |
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| blap | well jolla did a beautiful job with the os | 12:49 |
| blap | and the ui | 12:49 |
| blap | with the budget they had, the odds they were facing | 12:51 |
| blap | they are heroes to me | 12:51 |
| blap | <3 | 12:51 |
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| leszek | r0kk3rz: nope they aren't done with mobile completely. They will keep producing android and iOS software and they have cooperations with samsung and others. Bill Gates uses a Samsung Galaxy Windows Edition which means it comes with Microsoft Bloatware Apps preinstalled | 13:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | i mean with devices and windows smart phones | 13:10 |
| hahlo | strange that company as big as their cannot produce better os | 13:11 |
| leszek | They said it themselves didn't they? | 13:11 |
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| hahlo | they even had maemo from nokia to start from | 13:22 |
| r0kk3rz | hahlo: why would MS start from maemo? | 13:23 |
| hahlo | why not? | 13:23 |
| r0kk3rz | its ms, it was always going to be windows | 13:23 |
| hahlo | they could name it what they want and make win-gui | 13:24 |
| blap | heh | 13:25 |
| Venemo | i guess it simply wasn't economically feasible for them to continue with all that | 13:25 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, but 'why not' is not a reason they would do that... | 13:25 |
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| blap | i'll tell you why not | 13:25 |
| blap | they don't want FOSS communities | 13:25 |
| r0kk3rz | in fact i would say the opposite, why wouldnt they pursue windows phone? | 13:25 |
| leszek | maemo or meego was a stopped project for years when microsoft finally bought nokia | 13:26 |
| fledermaus | leszek: well... | 13:26 |
| leszek | elop killed meego together with symbian | 13:26 |
| blap | meego was already cancer | 13:26 |
| fledermaus | elop axed it, but that was < 1 year before the microsoft acquisition, no? | 13:26 |
| hahlo | so why lumia didn't make it? | 13:26 |
| fledermaus | blap: ? | 13:27 |
| hahlo | big company big resource | 13:27 |
| leszek | fledermaus: it was years before ms bought nokia | 13:27 |
| blap | fledermaus: intel was in on it | 13:27 |
| blap | the poison pill | 13:27 |
| hahlo | so they should easily beat android and ios | 13:28 |
| fledermaus | blap: yeah, no - I was on the harmattan team, I dont think you have the right picture. | 13:28 |
| blap | i probably don't | 13:29 |
| blap | why did they drop maemo? | 13:29 |
| fledermaus | leszek: hm, ok I probably conflated switch-to-windows with acquisition for some reason | 13:29 |
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| fledermaus | maemo wasn't dropped for meego. meego was mostly maemo, there was a .deb to .rpm switch and some other changes but it was basically the same platform | 13:30 |
| leszek | blap: maemo was dropped in favor of intels cooperation together on meego | 13:30 |
| leszek | though fledermaus is correct. Nokia integrated meego technologies into maemo basically | 13:30 |
| blap | fledermaus: i was in amsterdam in 2009. did the gtk-qt thing have anything to do with it? | 13:31 |
| hahlo | fledermaus: where you in maemo from beginning? 770 2003 | 13:31 |
| fledermaus | the _big_ hitch in the maemo/meego timeline was the gtk→qt switch. It was not smooth, we spent about a year with an unusable UI. | 13:31 |
| blap | <- 770 dev | 13:32 |
| hahlo | cool | 13:32 |
| fledermaus | I started work on the n900, towards the end, I was on board from then until the n9 and then the elopocalypse | 13:32 |
| hahlo | ok | 13:32 |
| Venemo | fledermaus: our condolences | 13:33 |
| blap | it was great meeting the maemo people.. i hope Quim is doing well | 13:33 |
| fledermaus | if the gtk→qt switch had happened as a skunkworks side project, instead of stalling the entire product UI for a year, then maemo/meego might have survived. | 13:33 |
| blap | interesting | 13:34 |
| fledermaus | (for clarity, I was at a contractor that did a bunch of maemo/meego work, not at nokia itself) | 13:34 |
| Venemo | yes, the transition to harmattan should have been a gradual one, including the qt thing | 13:35 |
| Venemo | and the N900 should have been upgraded to the newer OS as well | 13:36 |
| r0kk3rz | could've should've would've :) | 13:36 |
| Venemo | indeed | 13:37 |
| Venemo | well | 13:37 |
| Venemo | everybody knows | 13:37 |
| hahlo | I remember installing mer on n800 then on mer was guy called statskeep | 13:37 |
| Venemo | you mean Stskeeps | 13:37 |
| r0kk3rz | i just like how even after all this time, people still have their personal pet theories about how they would've saved nokia | 13:37 |
| Venemo | it's the same thing I would have said (and actually said) in 2011-2012 | 13:38 |
| fledermaus | r0kk3rz: not really a pet theory - I don't know that it _would_ have survived but that 1 year nonfunctional UI stage _killed_ us | 13:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | certainly it wouldnt have helped things | 13:40 |
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| leszek | I think it is creepy that sometimes I still have dreams about saving nokia somehow :P | 13:41 |
| fledermaus | leszek: it was such a missed opportunity. | 13:41 |
| fledermaus | smartphones before anyone else. | 13:41 |
| fledermaus | and so much better than the iphone 1, which was frankly rubbish. | 13:42 |
| leszek | true | 13:42 |
| fledermaus | n800 could have been a phone too, but last minute mgmt decision was to cut the phone hw out | 13:42 |
| hahlo | damn | 13:44 |
| fledermaus | (literally a gap in the board where the phone hw should have been, they did all the layout and everything aiui) | 13:45 |
| fledermaus | according to the people who'd been on the team before me. | 13:45 |
| Krikke | this x seems great | 13:46 |
| Venemo | fledermaus: wow, I haven't heard that one yet | 13:47 |
| r0kk3rz | Krikke: hopefully soon you can put stskeeps blockchain wizardry on it | 13:47 |
| Krikke | ? | 13:47 |
| r0kk3rz | https://zipperglobal.com/ | 13:48 |
| Krikke | this is for sailfish? | 13:48 |
| Krikke | ah, just needed to scroll down | 13:49 |
| Venemo | anyone who has Sailfish X, can you reproduce this problem? https://together.jolla.com/question/170004/irc-client-communi-triggers-sailfishx-reboot/ | 13:49 |
| r0kk3rz | it kinda exists outside the main operating system | 13:49 |
| Krikke | I just use mosh over fingerterm | 13:49 |
| Krikke | and tmux | 13:50 |
| Krikke | mosh is great, doesn't dc when you switch wlan<->4g<->wlan | 13:58 |
| Krikke | or it probably does but it reconnects seamlessly | 13:58 |
| hahlo | can you install mosh-server to sailfisos? | 14:03 |
| Krikke | haven't checked | 14:03 |
| hahlo | ok | 14:03 |
| Krikke | warehouse has the client | 14:03 |
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| Densuke[m] | I compiled mosh from source on sailfish and it includes the server as well | 14:50 |
| Densuke[m] | server seems to work too, though I only quickly tried connecting to it on a local network | 14:52 |
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| hahlo | Densuke[m]: thanks | 15:04 |
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| louis_ | r0kk3rz: I had a similar issue on Jolla 1 altrough it's based on Android 4.1.2 adaption. | 18:01 |
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| blabber | I tried to install an unofficial rpm of an app i am developing but installation failed. | 19:09 |
| blabber | Now pkcon tries to install the package every time i invoke it. | 19:10 |
| blabber | somehow the package has been staged. | 19:10 |
| blabber | if i say 'pkcon remove <package>' it says that <package> is not installed. | 19:10 |
| blabber | Can anyone help me to let pkcon forget this package? | 19:11 |
| blabber | ah, 'pkcon refresh' fixed the issue | 19:18 |
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| MoritzJT | Good evening. Has anyone succeeded to install gcc to his Jolla? | 20:37 |
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