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| krrrcks | x2s: No idea, opened a case at Jolla Supper/TJC. Sim card not even recognized. | 03:05 |
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| krrrcks | x2s: It doesn't ask for a pin. (Same with another SIM ... but a third one is working perfectly) | 03:07 |
| krrrcks | After 10 hrs I switched the J1 and it came back to life. ^^ | 03:12 |
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| x2s | krrrcks: there are some different standards for sim cards. How old is that card? | 08:31 |
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| x2s | So, I hope this is the right channel to ask. I'm thinking about buying an Xperia X soon, to replace my old N9. How easy is it to flash SailfishX to it from Linux? And how well does Bluetooth work, because I need it for my car | 09:40 |
| r0kk3rz | bt is a bit sketchy, it might work with your car, it might not | 09:42 |
| r0kk3rz | flashing is not so bad so long as you remember to update android via OTA before unlocking the bootloader | 09:43 |
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| leszek | x2s: seen my flashing video? On first try it took my 30 minutes appr. If you take a look at that video and don't do the same mistake I did, probably you can get it flashed in 20mins. However you need to first upgrade the Xperia X to the latest Android version which might take some time depending on which version it is when you get it | 09:46 |
| leszek | bt works fine for playing back sound as far as I know. As for car and bt. It is problematic. But that is problematic with every OS and car manufactorer | 09:46 |
| leszek | *manufacturer | 09:47 |
| x2s | leszek: not yet, but found it already. Usually I look for written guides, not videos, so I didn't stumble upon it before | 09:51 |
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| Acou_Bass | hey guys, are there any guides out there for getting my xperia X back to 'stock'? i think i might have to return it and i doubt the retailer will be too happy if i return it with sailfish on it :D | 09:56 |
| LarstiQ | Acou_Bass: not that a retailer should just accept a used phone and leave it at that | 10:02 |
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| Acou_Bass | well its faulty | 10:03 |
| Acou_Bass | soo yep, hes having it back | 10:03 |
| Acou_Bass | its been faulty since the day i got it too (had it ~2 weeks) | 10:04 |
| x2s | https://jolla.com/sailfishx-linux-instructions/ so, it looks like the unofficial guide got somewhat official :) | 10:04 |
| Acou_Bass | its either faulty or im getting a bug that no one else seems to be having with sailfish X relating to the battery :P | 10:05 |
| LarstiQ | Acou_Bass: I mean that with a used phone there can be privacy sensitive stuff on it, so a retailer should wipe it in any case | 10:05 |
| Acou_Bass | oh yeah true | 10:05 |
| Acou_Bass | well still | 10:05 |
| r0kk3rz | Acou_Bass: flash it with emma/flashtool back to android | 10:05 |
| Acou_Bass | id rather just flash it to stock before returning | 10:05 |
| LarstiQ | Acou_Bass: sure, it's also better to make sure yourself than to trust others do it correctly :) | 10:06 |
| Acou_Bass | hmmm dont have a windows PC... but emma looks like itll re-lock the bootloader too so may have to find a spare PC to stick it on XD | 10:06 |
| Acou_Bass | LarstiQ: bingo! | 10:06 |
| r0kk3rz | it wont relock the bootloader | 10:06 |
| Acou_Bass | unless emma runs in wine :D | 10:06 |
| Acou_Bass | hmm som guides said it did | 10:06 |
| r0kk3rz | its never done that for me | 10:07 |
| Acou_Bass | then again sony says it doesnt, so i trust them more than random internets | 10:07 |
| r0kk3rz | the only way to relock is to put the TA partition back | 10:07 |
| r0kk3rz | afaik | 10:07 |
| x2s | leszek: what tool are you using to record your desktop? | 10:08 |
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| Acou_Bass | huh... i unpacked the sony xperia flash tool .exe... and its all .jar's, i wonder if thatd 'just work' on linux hehe | 10:36 |
| Krikke | :D | 10:36 |
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| abranson | Acou_Bass: i bet those .jars have .dlls inside :D | 10:44 |
| r0kk3rz | there is a linux flashtool as well, made by a third party | 10:45 |
| Acou_Bass | hehe true | 10:45 |
| Acou_Bass | r0kk3rz: can i use it to go to stock rom though? i cant seem to find a download link for it | 10:45 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah thats the fun | 10:45 |
| Acou_Bass | ive got an old laptop round here ill probably just dump windows on it tonight | 10:47 |
| krrrcks | x2s: It is brand new (Congstar, Telekom reseller, D, postpaid) and I tried to differen brand new ones from SimplyTel (O2, Telefonica, post paid) | 10:47 |
| r0kk3rz | Acou_Bass: i think someone had some success with vbox and emma | 10:49 |
| r0kk3rz | but probably easier to use a real pc | 10:49 |
| krrrcks | x2s: The funny thing is that another SIM card from FONIC (O2, Telefonica, pre paid) works like a charm | 10:57 |
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| x2s | krrrcks: now I fear what happens, when I get my XperiaX | 11:33 |
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| krrrcks | x2s: I may test: Going back to Android, use the new sim card and flash Sailfish OS again. Not sure if that helps. | 13:46 |
| x2s | It did work with android? | 13:47 |
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| King_DuckZ | ilpianista: hi! are you around? | 16:17 |
| King_DuckZ | ilpianista_: or you, maybe? | 16:17 |
| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: hi | 16:17 |
| King_DuckZ | wow that was fast :) | 16:17 |
| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: you're lucky :-D | 16:18 |
| King_DuckZ | ilpianista: I just wanted to ping you about my question on your Lyrics app, since I just got a reply from Znurre, the developer of Subsoniq | 16:19 |
| King_DuckZ | ilpianista: :p | 16:19 |
| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: if you commented on the store, I wrote in the description that I don't own a Jolla anymore | 16:19 |
| ilpianista | (so I cannot read comments) | 16:19 |
| ilpianista | which was the question? | 16:20 |
| King_DuckZ | heh damn, so you're not developing your apps anymore, either? | 16:20 |
| ilpianista | just translations and minor bug fixes | 16:20 |
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| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: but it's all about the motivation, so if you motivate me (means the task is challenging) I could implement it | 16:21 |
| King_DuckZ | question on Lyrics: "Is it possible to make this work with the Subsoniq app?" | 16:21 |
| ilpianista | ah :-) | 16:21 |
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| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: which was the reply from Znurre? | 16:22 |
| King_DuckZ | question/answer on Subsoniq: "Cross-posting here too - is it possible to make the Lyrics app work with Subsoniq?" "duckz: I had a look at the source for the lyrics app, and as it stands it only supports the built-in media player. Changes would have to be done on that side, and also mine in order to expose the required metadata. That is something I will add soon anyway, in order to support lock | 16:23 |
| King_DuckZ | screen media controls :)" | 16:23 |
| ilpianista | yes, Lyrics already supports MPRIS | 16:24 |
| ilpianista | well, I could do it yes | 16:24 |
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| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: we just need to wait for Subsoniq interface | 16:25 |
| King_DuckZ | he's got a link: https://github.com/Znurre/subsoniq | 16:25 |
| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: ah right, the interface seems it's already there | 16:26 |
| King_DuckZ | so that's great news, I moved all my music to my airsonic server, it would be great to have lyrics for it too :) | 16:27 |
| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: could you tell me the date of Znurre's comment? | 16:28 |
| King_DuckZ | ilpianista: 4 hours ago | 16:28 |
| ilpianista | so, the required changes in Subsoniq are not the one I see... | 16:29 |
| King_DuckZ | should I ask him to open an issue with your app so you guys can chat there maybe? you're on github, right? | 16:30 |
| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: yes, please open it to Lyrics | 16:31 |
| King_DuckZ | aye aye | 16:32 |
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| King_DuckZ | ilpianista: why you don't own a jPhone anymore, btw? | 16:35 |
| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: I partially lost faith | 16:35 |
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| King_DuckZ | :( | 16:51 |
| King_DuckZ | my gf's getting the xperia x, she's waiting to receive it | 16:51 |
| King_DuckZ | I heard it's good | 16:53 |
| r0kk3rz | id be too tempted to just run android on it | 16:53 |
| King_DuckZ | you mean lineageos? or the stock android?? | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | the stock sony android is quite reasonable | 17:00 |
| ilpianista | I went for lineageos | 17:00 |
| King_DuckZ | uhm did you not see all the articles and stuff about all the personal data android collects about you? | 17:01 |
| r0kk3rz | of course i did :P | 17:01 |
| King_DuckZ | and? you're happy with the wiretap in your house? | 17:01 |
| r0kk3rz | we lost that battle a long time ago now | 17:02 |
| King_DuckZ | that doesn't mean you should just give up | 17:02 |
| r0kk3rz | people are buying amazon echo things hand over fist | 17:02 |
| r0kk3rz | its done, its over | 17:03 |
| King_DuckZ | lol just thinking that somebody is definitely listening to whatever I say *in my house's privacy* gives me the creeps | 17:03 |
| r0kk3rz | my suggestion is to get used to it, because surveilance is *everywhere* now | 17:04 |
| King_DuckZ | that's not an excuse for helping spreading it - you help the wiretapper's cause *and* you give away whoever lives with you | 17:05 |
| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: well, that's only if you use gapps | 17:05 |
| King_DuckZ | ilpianista: it seems the OS itself tracks your gps position all the time, plus other things | 17:06 |
| ilpianista | source please? | 17:06 |
| King_DuckZ | my gf found a well-hidden page that google is obliged to provide on the internet apparently, in there they showed lots of the private data they collected on her | 17:07 |
| King_DuckZ | there was stuff like her workplace, her commute, her days off... all deduced from her gps position | 17:08 |
| ilpianista | again, that's google | 17:08 |
| King_DuckZ | like, a stalker's treasure chest | 17:08 |
| ilpianista | lineageos is provided without any google app | 17:08 |
| King_DuckZ | ilpianista: yes, I *think* lineageos is clean, I'm talking to r0kk3rz about the vanilla android | 17:09 |
| ilpianista | lineageos even removed last (three or four) closed source applications that were used in cyanogenmod | 17:10 |
| ilpianista | however, back on sailfishos, I just need to support every MPRIS interface | 17:10 |
| ilpianista | the problem is: if I find more then one, which one should I use?! | 17:11 |
| King_DuckZ | let me think... is it hard to ask the user to select one, when it happens? | 17:12 |
| King_DuckZ | or maybe just the first? is it even possible to have two players going at the same time? | 17:12 |
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| ilpianista | it's not possible to play both, but you can pause one and play the other one | 17:13 |
| King_DuckZ | ok, so I'd say either the one being played, or ask the user | 17:13 |
| ilpianista | well, you are right, I assume Lyrics should care only about the one being played | 17:14 |
| King_DuckZ | both ways allow the user to "select" the song the want to lookup | 17:14 |
| King_DuckZ | yes, if you can detect that, it would be my fav solution between the two alternatives I said | 17:15 |
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| ilpianista | I'm reading https://github.com/acrisci/playerctl code to see which criteria it uses | 17:18 |
| ilpianista | ok, playerctl simply uses first one | 17:26 |
| King_DuckZ | so the first one is also the active one? | 17:27 |
| ilpianista | nope | 17:28 |
| ilpianista | first one is just first one alphabetically | 17:28 |
| ilpianista | we'll be smarter ;-) | 17:28 |
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| King_DuckZ | heh of course, because client code wouldn't be able to do alphabetical sorting by itself | 17:29 |
| ilpianista | uh? no, it's not because of that | 17:29 |
| locusf | if you want a real barebones music playback only experience, I highly recommend mopidy | 17:31 |
| locusf | it has youtube, spotify, amazon, google play, tidal etc etc | 17:32 |
| King_DuckZ | ilpianista: yeah, I was trying to be sarcastic | 17:33 |
| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: ah! sorry | 17:33 |
| King_DuckZ | :p | 17:33 |
| r0kk3rz | King_DuckZ: you're already owned by the baseband in the phone, if you have an intel device you're owned through management engine, all tv devices now have some kind of microphone and internet connection | 17:33 |
| r0kk3rz | its practically unavoidable | 17:34 |
| ilpianista | yes it seems it's | 17:34 |
| ilpianista | r0kk3rz: I'm praying for purism to be successfull | 17:34 |
| locusf | argh management engine and sandsifter, memory hole etc | 17:34 |
| r0kk3rz | and on the flip side, did you read of the reputation system china is trialling? | 17:35 |
| r0kk3rz | dont kid yourself and say 'it'll never happen here' because it will | 17:35 |
| King_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: I have 1 intel desktop, but most of the time I use my amd netboock or arm devices - phone is jolla 1, tv has no connection of sorts, I use libreelec for watching my crap, ps4 is disconnected | 17:35 |
| King_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: purism offers intel cpus with the management engine disabled btw | 17:36 |
| ilpianista | r0kk3rz: at least why try to make things harder | 17:36 |
| ilpianista | s/why/we | 17:36 |
| r0kk3rz | ilpianista: at some point you need to realise that you're doing yourself a disservice | 17:37 |
| locusf | manage engine isn't the biggest threat | 17:37 |
| King_DuckZ | ah I use pi-hole as my dns, it blocks a lot of shit, tor occasionally and when I get time I've promised to myself I'd look into dns encryption | 17:37 |
| ilpianista | r0kk3rz: I already do to be honest, but still I want to make things harder | 17:37 |
| locusf | there are over 2 million undocumented instructions in the x86 of intel platform | 17:37 |
| locusf | and others have too but less | 17:37 |
| ilpianista | King_DuckZ: dns encryption is really easy to setup | 17:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | King_DuckZ: and you spent all that time, all that effort, and you're being so careful. Poster adverts are still facial scanning you on the street .etc | 17:38 |
| King_DuckZ | < r0kk3rz> dont kid yourself and say 'it'll never happen here <---- it's already happening, or do you think you get a job just and nobody checked anything about you? | 17:38 |
| r0kk3rz | King_DuckZ: this is my point | 17:38 |
| King_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: I've been assuming that's how it works for the past 5 years now | 17:38 |
| King_DuckZ | ilpianista: I never had time to look into it | 17:39 |
| r0kk3rz | good. im glad you understand | 17:39 |
| King_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: I used to have a twitter account for <1 year, I only posted silly stuff, then I ran into this psychologist's website that claims it can extract my profile from my twitter activity, I gave it access to it and bingo! my EXACT working profile, with all my pros and cons, in a click's time | 17:41 |
| King_DuckZ | I never posted anything I considered personal, but these guys can deduce things you can't even imagine from the most insignificant activity you did | 17:42 |
| r0kk3rz | yup | 17:42 |
| r0kk3rz | the more information it has its likely to be more accurate too, and it probably is already being used in ways throughout your life | 17:43 |
| r0kk3rz | insurance, loans, jobs, any time someone wants to evaluate you | 17:44 |
| King_DuckZ | yep | 17:44 |
| King_DuckZ | https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mg9vvn/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win there, the link is buried somewhere towards the end of that wall of text | 17:45 |
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