Thursday, 2018-01-25

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dcalisteHello chriadam_, do you have time for a question about sailfish-secret?08:14
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chriadam_dcaliste: sure08:25
dcalisteThanks, let me explain…08:26
dcalisteI'm implementing a GnuPG pinentry using the secret API.08:26
chriadam_happy new year by the way ;-)08:26
dcalisteThe use case is, when the GPG agent running as a daemon is requesting a passphrase to sign for instance, it will start a pinentry program that either fetch the passphrase from cache or present a dialog to the user.08:27
dcalisteSo fetch from cache can easily be done via SecretManager::getSecret()08:28
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dcalistewith the method being nouseraction or something like that don't remember the exact enum name.08:28
chriadam_PreventInteraction08:28
dcalisteSo far, so good.08:29
chriadam_yup08:29
dcalisteBut, how can I request a dialog to ask the user a value that I can later store as a secret?08:29
dcalisteI've rapidly looked at interactionview.08:29
dcalisteAnd interactionrequest but I don't think that a daemon can have access to these.08:30
dcalisteIn two words, I'm not sure that sailfish-secret is design for prompting like that.08:30
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dcalisteWhat do you think?08:31
chriadam_just to clarify:08:32
chriadam_1) are you saying that this daemon is NOT a QGuiApplication, and will not show its own UI to ask the user to input some data08:32
chriadam_2) but instead, you want it to be able to ask Sailfish OS via a secrets API call to "get some arbitrary secret from the user" (that is, a system-mediated UI flow)08:33
chriadam_or am I misunderstanding?08:33
dcaliste1) yes, exact.08:33
dcaliste1) the pinentry is started by gpg-agent which is a daemon.08:34
dcaliste2) like in gnome shell, the system is prompting the user to enter a secret and the Secret API can be used to later store this secret.08:35
dcaliste2) in Gnome shell, in that use case, there is a check box in the UI to store or not the secret asked to the user.08:36
chriadam_I will write some pseudo-code, give me a sec08:37
dcalisteSure…08:37
chriadam_short answer I think is "it currently doesn't support what you want, but it should be added" but I will make sure08:38
dcalisteThat's my conclusion, but I wanted to ask, indeed.08:38
chriadam_dcaliste: https://pastebin.com/aB10rJFU08:46
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dcalisteI'm reading08:49
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sledgesPSA: Sailfish OS collab @ #mer-meeting starting in 7 minutes08:52
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dcalistechriadam_: great exact. Except, I may not create an API in manager like requestAndSet(), but just Request, the set can be done programatically by the caller later.08:54
chriadam_dcaliste: sure, although I guess both are necessary (since for best security, we never want the secret data to enter into the client process address space)08:55
chriadam_I will look into providing this in the API, next week.  thanks for pointing it out!08:56
dcalistechriadam_: ah the security reason, sure I didn't thought about it. But I fully agree now : don't need to send back the secret to the caller. Much btter, yes.08:56
chriadam_dcaliste: btw jpetrell has been meaning to speak to you regarding possibility to increase the level of support we give you for the email signing activity08:57
dcalistechriadam_: thank you for taking this into account, I'm looking forward for your MR. Thanks again.08:57
chriadam_jpetrell: are you online? ^08:57
jpetrellyes08:58
dcalisteAbout the email signing stuff, I would be happy to discuss by mail or IRC, whatever.08:58
jpetrellwe have a customer project to work on s/mime support, which will lead to many enablers that can be shared with GPG/PGP feature08:59
jpetrellco-operation would be appreciated :)09:00
dcalistejpetrell, good. S/MIME is availbale via gpgme also and should be quite easy to implement on top of the PGP work.09:00
jpetrellwe will gradually start to build enablers related to encryption and signing during february, but the work won't start in full until March09:00
jpetrelldcaliste: awesome :)09:00
dcalisteSee the claws-mail plugin for instance, the PGP and the S/MIME are sharing most of their code.09:00
dcalisteThe tricky part in my opinion, is to decide when the mail should be encripted: after writing it or when sending it.09:02
dcalisteFirst case: the sending workflow of the current app should be modified to handle cases of signature failing.09:02
jpetrellwe need to improve the OS key/certificate handling (e.g. views to manage user's keys), implement signing and encryption for email composer and viewer, support attaching keys/certificates to contacts, etc.09:03
jpetrella lot to do :)09:03
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dcalisteSecond case: what should happen if the mail is to be send when device is screen off but we require a user interaction to enter the pin to unlock the certificate.09:03
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dcalisteI've started to write QML binding for key management and associated QML components by the way.09:04
jpetrellin that case we need system UI to wake up the device and bring dialog on top of the current app09:04
dcalisteIt's in Mer Gitlab.09:04
jpetrellyay :)09:04
dcalisteIf we go for second solution when sending (prompt the user when necessary which may be later that writing the email), we don't need to modify much the nemo middle ware and nothing of the app workflow.09:06
dcalisteIt's simpler.09:06
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jpetrellI don't have deep enough understanding to say which one is better, on face value simpler sounds good09:07
chriadam_what is the flow if the device is e.g. not connected to wifi or cellular data, you write an email, click send, then 20 minutes later walk into wifi?09:08
dcalisteFor a better understanding, maybe, let me explain how it is working in QMF…09:08
chriadam_will it at that point automatically try to send, and raise a prompt?09:08
jpetrellshould we have a weekly or biweekly meeting about the email signing/encryption. I guess we should start with signing support first?09:08
dcalistejpetrell, that would be great. The simplest support to have is signature checking and decryption.09:09
dcalisteThe signing and encryption is more complex.09:09
dcalisteThis is both true for PGP or S/MIME.09:09
dcalisteIn a word checking doesn't require anything except having the public key added to the key manager.09:10
dcalisteie. GnuPG.09:10
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sailormoinHi sailors!09:46
leszekhi09:47
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sailormoinDoes anyone know if the VoIP stack supports early media? It is needed for toll-free phone queues for service providers and my tests indicate there might be a problem with it.09:48
dcalistejpetrell, chriadam_, abranson: regarding jpetrell above suggestion about having a meeting on email signature etc. Should we settle on a date and time?09:48
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jpetrelldcaliste: earlier would probably work best for chriadam_, who is located in Australia. rainemak could participate too, possibly pvuorela also at sometimes10:03
dcalisteI'm in France, So available from 8UTC, tell me the day of week and time you prefer.10:03
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jpetrellmonday, tuesday 8UTC would work for me. chriadam is not online any more, but I'll talk to him10:06
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dcalisteOk, I'm fine with Monday or Tuesdays in general. Thank you. That's great we can go on on this. By the way, I'm not going to be available Tuesday 30th.10:10
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tmynttinAny tips on what is the best way to implement a map in a sailfish app?13:24
tmynttinJust need a way to tap on a point at the map and get its coordinates13:25
tmynttin(thinking about making a client for laji.fi)13:27
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Bysmyyrtmynttin: check jollaopas sources?13:33
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tmynttinThanks Bysmyyr. Seems they have used QtLocation, but for some reason my sdk doesn't find the module at all.13:41
r0kk3rzyou might need to install it13:42
tmynttinAnd how do I do it on Windows (sorry for being a noob :) )13:45
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r0kk3rzin the sfos sdk, theres a sailfish button on the left hand menu13:46
r0kk3rzyou can do it through there, although the better way is to put a build requires into your apps .spec13:47
r0kk3rzand it will install automatically upon build13:47
tmynttinOk! Have to give it a go, once I get home. Thanks a lot you both!13:48
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nh1402[m]damn it missed the meeting15:24
nh1402[m]was planning to get back in to them.15:25
nh1402[m]although I had a meeting at work during that time so I wouldn't have been able to make it if I did remember.15:25
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