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| Venemo | good morning | 06:51 |
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| dcaliste | Hello Venemo | 06:52 |
| Venemo | is this the place for the meeting? :) | 06:53 |
| dcaliste | Usually, yes, it is. | 06:53 |
| dcaliste | Previously it was at 8:00UTC, With the summer time, I don't know if it will shift to 7:00UTC or not. | 06:54 |
| chriadam__ | I believe it is in 5 minutes | 06:55 |
| chriadam__ | hi dcaliste :-) | 06:55 |
| chriadam__ | btw I have to leave in about 35 minutes, unfortunately | 06:56 |
| dcaliste | Hello chriadam__, I hope you're fine. | 06:56 |
| chriadam__ | hopefully we get through the meeting content in that time | 06:56 |
| chriadam__ | yes, doing well thanks. how are you? | 06:56 |
| dcaliste | I'm good thank you. We can make the meeting fit in the time window, sure. | 06:56 |
| chriadam__ | :-) | 06:56 |
| chriadam__ | hopefully jpetrell is able to make it | 06:56 |
| chriadam__ | he is taking some sick leave today IIRC, but might be able to attend the meeting from home perhaps | 06:57 |
| dcaliste | Yes, we'll see. | 07:02 |
| chriadam__ | will wait another 5 minutes in case he's running late, otherwise we will go on with the agenda, I guess | 07:03 |
| dcaliste | I agree. | 07:03 |
| Venemo | +1 | 07:04 |
| jpetrell | hi, sorry I am late | 07:07 |
| dcaliste | No problem. | 07:07 |
| jpetrell | dcaliste: contribution agreement should be almost ready, I'll send it to you for review once I get greenlight to share | 07:07 |
| Venemo | morning jpetrell :) | 07:08 |
| jpetrell | Venemo: morning :) | 07:08 |
| chriadam__ | jpetrell: good morning :-) | 07:08 |
| r0kk3rz | finally :) | 07:08 |
| chriadam__ | lawyer clocks run different to the rest of us | 07:08 |
| dcaliste | jpetrell: Great. I'll reply asap. | 07:08 |
| jpetrell | have been reviewing the new authentication flows, there are some regressions that need fixing but all-in-all looks good | 07:09 |
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| jpetrell | I guess we should get the current version in soon and make further improvements on top | 07:09 |
| dcaliste | Next week, I'll be on vacation (won't be able to attempt the meeting) but I'll read my emails. | 07:09 |
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| jpetrell | also due to easter friday and monday are public holidays here in Finland | 07:10 |
| dcaliste | jpetrell: authentication flow, can you explain please? For which component, I'm not following you. | 07:10 |
| jpetrell | dcaliste: for sailfish-secrets, part of signing flow | 07:11 |
| dcaliste | Ok, got it. | 07:11 |
| jpetrell | https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-secrets/pull/15 | 07:11 |
| dcaliste | Does this requires newer version of closed Lipstick? Or is it based on existing DBus interfaces, so it can run on 2.1.4? | 07:13 |
| jpetrell | dcaliste: it requires closed lipstick | 07:13 |
| dcaliste | Ok, so I'll wait for contrib agreement! | 07:14 |
| jpetrell | either you need contribution agreement (which hopefully is not far) or wait for 2.2.0 to come out | 07:14 |
| jpetrell | will probably get also used in file system encryption cases | 07:14 |
| dcaliste | Yes, no problem. | 07:14 |
| dcaliste | About thje review of first QMF patches, thank you for your remarks. | 07:15 |
| dcaliste | Hopefully I've addressed your concerns. | 07:15 |
| dcaliste | Removing the meaningless bool arguments was a good suggestion. | 07:15 |
| jpetrell | cool, then I am happy :) | 07:17 |
| Venemo | is sailfish-secrets going to be used for email signing? | 07:17 |
| jpetrell | should we put it in? | 07:17 |
| jpetrell | Venemo: yes that is the plan | 07:17 |
| dcaliste | Venemo, in fact no. | 07:17 |
| Venemo | uh? | 07:17 |
| jpetrell | really? | 07:17 |
| dcaliste | sorry ;))) | 07:17 |
| dcaliste | The signing process will be done by the QMF plugin. | 07:18 |
| Venemo | sailfish-secrets now supports sign and verify | 07:18 |
| Venemo | dcaliste: what is QMF? | 07:18 |
| jpetrell | Venemo: email framework | 07:18 |
| Venemo | so, will QMF call sailfish-secrets then? | 07:18 |
| dcaliste | At the time of writing this secret was not public and I was not aware of. | 07:18 |
| dcaliste | So I wrote a plugin in QMF based on gpgme. | 07:19 |
| jpetrell | Qt did for Qtopia phone platform, later adopted by Meego N9 and Sailfish | 07:19 |
| dcaliste | Later on, when secrets arrived, I decided not to rewrite the QMF plugin for broader audience. | 07:19 |
| dcaliste | Like that, other project using QMF may use the signing capabilities. | 07:19 |
| Venemo | I see. | 07:20 |
| Venemo | jpetrell: is that sufficient for our use cases? | 07:20 |
| jpetrell | we are planning to work on email signing and encryption after 2.2.0, and customer requirement is to use sailfish-secrets so dcaliste's work needs to be adapted accordingly | 07:20 |
| dcaliste | For Sailfish itself, it is a good idea to later on write a new plugin based on new crypto QMF framework I've introduced to sign emails. | 07:20 |
| chriadam__ | assuming it's plugin based, we would write a sailfish-secrets-backed QMF plugin to do the crypto stuff | 07:21 |
| chriadam__ | and voila | 07:21 |
| dcaliste | It will be quite easy to write this plugin now that all the framework in QMF is ready. | 07:21 |
| chriadam__ | :-) | 07:21 |
| dcaliste | In fact, in the S/MIME branch, the gpgme stuff has been isolated and can be switch to secret if we want. | 07:21 |
| jpetrell | yeah there is probably a lot still that can be shared :) | 07:22 |
| Venemo | so our plan is for the email app to use the signing support from QMF, which in turn will use a plugin which will call sailfish-secrets? | 07:22 |
| chriadam__ | yes. | 07:22 |
| chriadam__ | (as I understand it) | 07:22 |
| dcaliste | secret in the current workflow is just used to interface with the user for passphrase request and also for caching passphrase. | 07:23 |
| jpetrell | if email supports signing adding another backend will already be easier | 07:23 |
| jpetrell | and there are UI flows in email, certificates, keys handling, etc. that will be shared | 07:23 |
| Venemo | how will the UI work? | 07:23 |
| dcaliste | Later on, it will be used also for signature handling through an updated QMF plugin. | 07:23 |
| dcaliste | Venemo: for UI there are two things: | 07:23 |
| dcaliste | - one to handle signature result (bad signature, valid email…) and signature/encryption choice (I want to encrypt for target user foo…) | 07:24 |
| dcaliste | - one to handle key unlock via passphrase request. | 07:24 |
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| dcaliste | Is it clearer now? | 07:26 |
| Venemo | how will the user create a key for signing, and choose which key to sign the email with? | 07:26 |
| Venemo | sorry if this is a trivial question, but I didn't find the answer | 07:27 |
| dcaliste | Venemo: that's part of what should be dcided in these meetings, and also at design level of course. | 07:27 |
| Venemo | so it hasn't been decided yet? | 07:27 |
| dcaliste | Current available code assume that a key exists and is available. | 07:27 |
| dcaliste | As far as I know, it has not been decided yet. | 07:28 |
| Venemo | is it going to be "a key" (ie. just one key per user), or can the user have more than one keys and select one to sign with? | 07:28 |
| dcaliste | Technically, you can have as many keys as you want. | 07:28 |
| Venemo | but then there needs to be a UI where the user can select one? | 07:29 |
| dcaliste | Usually, you have a default key that can match the From: email address feild. | 07:29 |
| Venemo | but somewhere you still have to tell it which key is the default for the given email account | 07:31 |
| Venemo | jpetrell: any thoughts on the UI side? | 07:31 |
| jpetrell | AFAIK we need UI for managing your personal keys, you need to be able to fetch public keys for your contacts over some sync service (e.g. your personal Google account, or your company's ActiveSync Global Address Book) and flows to manually import keys to the device, email viewer needs indicators and details view to view signatures, email composer needs to support signing and encryption actions, etc. | 07:31 |
| Venemo | jpetrell: and AFAIU we don't have any of that yet? | 07:32 |
| jpetrell | design is missing which designers need to prepare, and I need to sync with chriadam to better understand the limitations secrets framework imposes | 07:32 |
| jpetrell | Venemo: mostly not, there are certificate settings and certificate handling in vpn which may have some code we need to move to shared modules | 07:33 |
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| chriadam__ | I have to head off - good that we are having this discussion to clarify these cases now that we can meaningfully progress some of these. I look forward to seeing the results. | 07:35 |
| chriadam__ | gnight! | 07:35 |
| dcaliste | In my experimentation, I've created a QML model list to display available signing keys, so user can choose. | 07:35 |
| dcaliste | But this is not necessary a good design. | 07:35 |
| dcaliste | jpetrell: is 2.2.0 branched yet, can the QMF request!6 (the one you review) go in, or it is better to wait for branching? | 07:35 |
| dcaliste | Venemo: my QML experimentations to display key related info (list model, key expiration dates…) are available in https://git.merproject.org/dcaliste/sailfish-components-gpg if you want to give a look. | 07:35 |
| jpetrell | chriadam__: gnight :) | 07:35 |
| jpetrell | dcaliste: not branched yet, probably takes few weeks still sorry. I would wait | 07:35 |
| Venemo | thank you dcaliste | 07:35 |
| chriadam__ | isn't it being branched on Friday? | 07:36 |
| chriadam__ | I mean Thursday | 07:36 |
| chriadam__ | that was my understanding...? | 07:36 |
| chriadam__ | well, anyway, I realyl have to go | 07:37 |
| chriadam__ | \o | 07:37 |
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| jpetrell | chriadam__: I don't think it will be branched no. until we reach feature completion I don't see the point | 07:37 |
| Venemo | hm, well | 07:38 |
| dcaliste | They are related to GnuPG stuff only though. | 07:38 |
| dcaliste | Good night chriadam__ | 07:38 |
| dcaliste | jpetrell: I fully agree with your AFAIK sentence. Venemo: for demoing purpose, I've added signature view in email and key chooser in composer. | 07:38 |
| dcaliste | See https://git.merproject.org/dcaliste/jolla-email-patch | 07:38 |
| dcaliste | jpetrell: ok no problem, I can wait and continue to work in branches. | 07:39 |
| Venemo | one more thing: sounds like some (but still a significant amount) of the work can be shared between email signing and other places where signing is needed | 07:40 |
| Venemo | ie. the "choose a signing key" UI, the mechanism with which they keys can be managed, etc. | 07:40 |
| dcaliste | Venemo: I think so, as jpetrell said, all key handling is independent. It should be QML components that can be used elsewhere, as I've started in https://git.merproject.org/dcaliste/sailfish-components-gpg | 07:41 |
| jpetrell | Venemo: yeah all the signature/key indicators, pickers, details views, etc. should be aligned between certificate system settings page, vpn settings, email encryption and signing, etc. i.e. moved to a shared QML module all parties import | 07:42 |
| jpetrell | dcaliste: cool! | 07:42 |
| Venemo | dcaliste: where are the keys going to be stored? in sailfish-secrets, or...? | 07:42 |
| Venemo | jpetrell: agreed! | 07:43 |
| dcaliste | Venemo: good question. In fact they are several possible backends: secret being one, GnuPG being another. | 07:43 |
| Venemo | dcaliste: I'm unfortunately not familiar with GnuPG | 07:44 |
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| jpetrell | I need to go also. feel free to continue discussion :) | 07:48 |
| jpetrell | thanks! | 07:48 |
| dcaliste | The QML components should show a synthesis of both IMHO. | 07:49 |
| dcaliste | Ideally, in my opinion, secret should do the synthesis. | 07:49 |
| dcaliste | That's why, I plan to write a GnuPG plugin for secret, so secret is aware of keys handled by GnuPG. | 07:49 |
| dcaliste | Have a nice day Jpetrell thank you. See you on Tuesday April 10th if not before by email. | 07:50 |
| jpetrell | 👍 | 07:50 |
| Venemo | dcaliste: sounds like a plugin is needed for secrets which makes it aware of GnuPG, I think | 07:52 |
| Venemo | actually, would be interesting to know how desktop distros do this | 07:54 |
| Venemo | AFAIU secrets is an equivalent to gnome-keyring and the likes | 07:54 |
| dcaliste | Venemo: GnuPG is mostly doing the same job than secret: handling keys for PGP and S/MIME protocols, providing signing and encryption capabilities for both protocols. | 07:57 |
| dcaliste | Venemo: on Linux desktop, you can use gpg executable to sign, decrypt files… View keys also, create new ones, retrieve public keys from servers… | 07:57 |
| dcaliste | 'gpg -h' will show you possibilities. On top of gpg executable, GnuPG project has developped a C library called gpgme (GPG made easy, pun intended) to do all of these action from a library. | 07:57 |
| dcaliste | When using gpgme, the secret actions are always done off process, via IPC using a GnuPG homebrew library called libassuan. | 07:57 |
| Venemo | how does gnome-keyring come into this picture? | 07:58 |
| dcaliste | Venemo: gnome-keyring is just a passphrase store. It is using libsecret (which is an emanation of GnuPG?? not sure). But desktop have to interface with GnuPG. | 08:00 |
| dcaliste | For instance, when a passphrase is required, a popup appears (in Gnome shell, it is handled by the shell via DBus I think, not sure though) to ask the user. | 08:01 |
| dcaliste | This is called a pinentry in GnuPG wording. | 08:01 |
| dcaliste | So yes, every desktop interface to GnuPG via the pinentry, plus other projects to display keys, like gnome-keyring (sorry, it was niot just a passphrase store, my bad). | 08:02 |
| dcaliste | see also https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Seahorse for key management in Gnome. It is using gpgme (didn't check actually, but I guess so). | 08:04 |
| dcaliste | Thus, my current work to provide Sailfish with a pinentry via secret, so all GnuPG aware application can work on Sailfish when a passphrase is required. | 08:05 |
| Venemo | I see | 08:10 |
| Venemo | nice :) | 08:10 |
| Venemo | thank you dcaliste for explaining | 08:10 |
| dcaliste | No problem. | 08:11 |
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| dcaliste | Have to go, see you later. | 08:24 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 09:21 |
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| Mister_Magister | hmmm i need to display webp image or convert it to png or something without libwebp dependency. Can somebody help me? | 14:47 |
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| rubdos | looks like ffmpeg has aptx in master, and bluez might get support? https://github.com/Arkq/bluez-alsa/issues/92 | 15:41 |
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| phried | anybody here use movim? I can't click the login button in default browser | 21:17 |
| Marzanna | It seems that Movim doesn't work well in SailfishOS browser :( | 21:20 |
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| phried | I'm also having problems adding it as an xmpp account. I have another xmpp account which works fine though | 21:37 |
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