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| chriadam_ | dcaliste: hi! | 07:02 |
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| dcaliste | Hello Chris. | 07:03 |
| chriadam_ | jpetrell: how's the contributor agreement going? | 07:03 |
| chriadam_ | dcaliste: I recently made this PR https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-secrets/pull/79 for plugin implementer docs - if you get a chance, would you be able to take a look to see if anything is obviously missing or incorrect? | 07:06 |
| dcaliste | Sure, I will give a look today. | 07:06 |
| chriadam_ | thanks very much | 07:07 |
| chriadam_ | I hope you had a good weekend etc :-) | 07:07 |
| dcaliste | Yep, I'm coming back from vacations. It was nice and had plenty of time in airport to play with gpgme and secrets ;) | 07:08 |
| dcaliste | By the way, I've some questions / remarks about the API. | 07:09 |
| chriadam_ | certainly | 07:11 |
| dcaliste | About the discussion on exporting strings to the user of the type key %1, collection %2 from plugin %3, I've just suggested on Github to add a displayName() function to plugin API for human readable plugin names. | 07:13 |
| chriadam_ | mm, problem with that is that it would need to be unique (otherwise the user won't know which plugin with that display name is being referred to). | 07:13 |
| chriadam_ | and if the display name is unique, then the display name may as well be the "real" name, i.e. no need for fully-qualified-domain-name-prefix | 07:14 |
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| chriadam_ | (I'm open to that possibility, of course) | 07:14 |
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| dcaliste | For GnuPG plugin, as said last time, I'm using fingerprint as key name, primary fingerprint as collection name. It's not very convenient for translated strings, you can imagine. I'm investigating if I can use the user id as collection name instead. | 07:15 |
| Venemo | good morning guys | 07:15 |
| dcaliste | It would give something like key 012345789 from collection John Doe <john.doe@example.org> | 07:15 |
| dcaliste | which is acceptable I think. | 07:15 |
| dcaliste | For the display name uniqueness, it's an issue indeed… | 07:16 |
| dcaliste | Need to think more about it. But anyway, at plugin registration, we can check that display name is unique and reject plugin load if not. | 07:16 |
| chriadam_ | these readability concerns are definitely important, but precision is also important (don't want to risk user accidentally allowing a third party app access to something it shouldn't get access to) | 07:17 |
| chriadam_ | dcaliste: then there's plugin ordering issues etc... but yes, that is indeed a potential solution | 07:17 |
| dcaliste | Some more API related questions: currently we can answer the question « does Bob have sign this message ? », but there is no way to ask « who sign this message ? ». | 07:18 |
| chriadam_ | as in, search through all available keys and return the key which is able to verify successfully? | 07:19 |
| dcaliste | In PGP, one can list from the signature data the list of signers (namely the fingerprint of keys used to sign). | 07:19 |
| chriadam_ | ah... I see | 07:20 |
| chriadam_ | so you mean that metadata is embedded into the signature itself | 07:20 |
| dcaliste | Looking in all known keys is expensive and doen't work if key is not yet in keyring. | 07:20 |
| dcaliste | Usecase: receiving an email from a guy from Debian Science mailing list, I don't have his key, but the signature is telling me that key 012456 was used so I can look on a public server for the public key. | 07:21 |
| dcaliste | Yes, some metadata are included in the signature with PGP specs. | 07:21 |
| chriadam_ | dcaliste: right. that sounds useful. can you raise an issue on github about that so I don't forget? (probably won't add this API for 2.2.0 but for 2.2.1 we can) | 07:22 |
| dcaliste | Ok, no problem with timeframe. | 07:22 |
| dcaliste | Still some questions on API: the verify function returns a boolean. But with PGP, the status can be richer than a boolean. For instance, the signature can be valid, but has expired. | 07:23 |
| dcaliste | Would it be reasonable to change the API to return an enum instead of a boolean ? | 07:23 |
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| chriadam_ | urgh | 07:23 |
| dcaliste | Yes indeed… | 07:24 |
| chriadam_ | jpetrell: any word from our stakeholders in regards to what level of api stability is expected at this point? can we make a change like that for 2.2.0 or not at this point? | 07:24 |
| chriadam_ | dcaliste: another possibility is to add a specific Result error code like KeyExpiredError | 07:24 |
| chriadam_ | hrm, but the operation succeeded. urgh. | 07:25 |
| chriadam_ | enum is definitely cleaner... | 07:25 |
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| dcaliste | I agree. It would be cleaner. | 07:25 |
| dcaliste | But I nderstand that it's quite late… | 07:25 |
| dcaliste | About error code, I cannot find a UnsupportedOperation error code in Secrets/result, while there is one in Crypto/Result. | 07:27 |
| chriadam_ | OperationNotSupportedError | 07:28 |
| chriadam_ | we really should unify the codes | 07:28 |
| dcaliste | Ah, I see, I was looking for the same name indeed (copy paste second effect…). | 07:29 |
| chriadam_ | we definitely should do some hygeine cleanup if our stakeholders are ok witih those sort of changes at this point. I think/hope they will be. | 07:30 |
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| dcaliste | The additional solution, would be to keep the boolean but add an optional output attribute like customOutputParameter (not the real name…) where one can store the additional info, like the time the signature has been done… | 07:32 |
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| chriadam_ | indeed, we did that for input parameters after all.. | 07:33 |
| chriadam_ | hrm... | 07:33 |
| chriadam_ | that starts to look ugly if every method gets that also though :-( | 07:33 |
| dcaliste | Well, just the verify and decrypt maybe… | 07:34 |
| dcaliste | See https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gpgme/Verify.html#Verify the status attribute in gpgme_signature_t structure for various status on a signature. | 07:35 |
| jpetrell | so we will soon have UI components and flows for adding, generating, removing, listing keys, signing with a key, and system settings page for managing keys | 07:36 |
| jpetrell | as long as you use sailfish-secrets | 07:36 |
| jpetrell | sent another (angry) message about the contract hold up | 07:37 |
| jpetrell | it doesn't seem to be on legal priority list, there really is no good reason for these delays, sorry! | 07:37 |
| jpetrell | sorry for commenting here late, got distracted | 07:38 |
| dcaliste | jpetrell, great. The GnuPG plugin is supporting all these actions since yesterday ! Of course some minor fixes will have to occur when testing with UI but it's good. | 07:38 |
| jpetrell | dcaliste: :) | 07:38 |
| chriadam_ | dcaliste: that's very useful. I guess an enum (flags) instead of bool can provide those different bitfield values. of course, it's open question as to what other crypto backends might also support / want exposed in the api... | 07:38 |
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| chriadam_ | but certainly it seems liek there are some obvious ones like SIG_EXPIRED, CRL_MISSING, KEY_REVOKED, etc | 07:39 |
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| dcaliste | One last question, more open one: in StoragePlugin, I didn't dig much, but I guess that setEncryptionKey() is used to set the key passphrase and reencrypt() to change it afterward. | 07:42 |
| chriadam_ | not quite | 07:43 |
| dcaliste | ? So what is the API to change a passphrase ? | 07:43 |
| chriadam_ | EncryptedStoragePlugin::setEncryptionKey is used to unlock a collection (that is, apply the given key so that the collection becomes readable). but the original key is set using createCollection() | 07:44 |
| chriadam_ | reencrypt() is indeed used to change it afterwards | 07:44 |
| chriadam_ | so it's createCollection() to specify what the key is, reencrypt() to modify the key, the setEncryptionKey() to attempt to unlock with a key. | 07:44 |
| dcaliste | Ok, I see. In a longer term, to implement reencrypt() properly for GnuPG keys, we'll have to upgrade to later versions of GnuPG which have become GPLv3… | 07:45 |
| chriadam_ | you don't have to support locking in this manner, however | 07:46 |
| chriadam_ | e.g. check out the ExampleUsbTokenPlugin | 07:46 |
| chriadam_ | that one doesn't support encrypted collections | 07:46 |
| chriadam_ | but only supports "plugin-wide" encryption (i.e. locking) | 07:46 |
| chriadam_ | I'm not sure what the semantics of the GPG backend are, but it may be that that is a closer fit. | 07:46 |
| dcaliste | From my understanding, there is no locking / unlocking semantic with GnuPG. The key is unlocked on demand when necessary (change a passphrase or use the secret key to sign for instance) and the unlocking is done via the pinentry helper program. | 07:49 |
| dcaliste | The pinentry will checked for cached passphrase (we can use secret here for caching with global unlocking) or ask the user via a system window. | 07:49 |
| dcaliste | I'll add this week the pinentry code into the GnuPG PR in github. | 07:50 |
| chriadam_ | yep, that's fine too. I guess in that case it's a per-collection lock? | 07:50 |
| chriadam_ | e.g. some user's key | 07:50 |
| chriadam_ | so all those keys are stored in a per-user collection? or am I misunderstanding? | 07:50 |
| dcaliste | Yes, in the collection sense of GnuPG: one collection is all the keys of a given user. | 07:51 |
| chriadam_ | cool | 07:51 |
| chriadam_ | ok, hopefully that maps nicely to our locking semantics, I will check your pinentry stuff when I get the time | 07:51 |
| dcaliste | Will have to check to be sure, but it seems to fit ok. | 07:52 |
| dcaliste | Ok, so outcomes today: | 07:52 |
| dcaliste | - discuss more about the display name stuff for plugins. | 07:53 |
| dcaliste | - open a github issue about adding a question like « who sign this data ?» | 07:53 |
| chriadam_ | - ask our internal stakeholders how much latitude we have to change the API at this point, and if we have some latitude, unify the result error codes and also change the Verified bool to flags. | 07:54 |
| dcaliste | - see if verify can be updated to use an enum and / or have a outputParameters attribute | 07:54 |
| dcaliste | ;) | 07:54 |
| chriadam_ | we have meeting with them in an hour so I will ask | 07:54 |
| chriadam_ | dcaliste: thank you once again for your very useful input and work. it is greatly appreciated! | 07:54 |
| dcaliste | Great. Oh, I just thought about one additional remark: | 07:55 |
| chriadam_ | jpetrell: Venemo: did either of you have anythign else? ^ | 07:55 |
| chriadam_ | sure | 07:55 |
| Venemo | sorry, I don't think so | 07:55 |
| dcaliste | In generateKey(), KeyPairGenerationParameters object as a customParameters map, while the function also has one. Is it redundant ? | 07:56 |
| chriadam_ | hrm, will have to check that, the KPG / KDF objects were added well before we added the customParameters to each of the methods | 07:56 |
| chriadam_ | most likely it is redundant yes | 07:56 |
| chriadam_ | thanks for pointing that out | 07:56 |
| dcaliste | Yes, I guess so. | 07:57 |
| chriadam_ | ok, I had nothing else. thanks again, and have a good week :-) | 07:58 |
| dcaliste | Yes, thank you also for discussion and answers to questions. Have a nice week too. | 07:58 |
| dcaliste | jpetrell, chriadam_: you can begin to review the GnuPG PR when you have time. It's not in a hurry though. | 07:59 |
| chriadam_ | yep, I started to look at it, but will do so more thoroughly over the coming days | 07:59 |
| dcaliste | https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-secrets/pull/70 | 07:59 |
| jpetrell | dcaliste: cool | 07:59 |
| dcaliste | Thank you. As I said, don't rush, do it when time is available. | 08:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | whats the deal with exfat support on sailfish these days? | 09:54 |
| abranson | r0kk3rz: f2fs ftw | 09:55 |
| r0kk3rz | i wonder if my camera supports that... | 09:55 |
| abranson | probably not, because it's been forced to support exfat instead | 09:56 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 09:57 |
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| * fledermaus lols at “Actually has a burning platform picture in slideshow.” | 15:22 | |
| fledermaus | (fossnorth) | 15:22 |
| r0kk3rz | what talk? | 15:22 |
| fledermaus | Building Sailfish OS | 15:23 |
| fledermaus | -------------------- | 15:23 |
| fledermaus | James Noori, Vesa-Matti Hartikainen @ Jolla | 15:23 |
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| tbr | isn't that joke a tad … dated | 16:11 |
| fledermaus | Never Forget the Elopocalypse. | 16:13 |
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