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| Truxx | That's amazing... I just saw that Sailfish even runs on a Droid 4. Anyone using it? Great work. | 08:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | a few people do, mainly for the keyboard | 09:11 |
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| Truxx | Yeah, not many devices with a good slider | 09:20 |
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| tom_bola | hello all. i am trying to install the sailfish os sdk, but it seems to hang upon ":/metadata/org.merproject.maintenance/zh_cn.qm". this seems to be just an laguage package (that i don't need). is there a way to skip it | 11:58 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont see why it would hang on that | 11:59 |
| r0kk3rz | sometimes it hangs on ssh key creation though | 11:59 |
| tom_bola | wouldn't i see an ongoing ssh process then? | 12:05 |
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| piggz | flypig: ping | 12:52 |
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| tom_bola | ok. solved it. the problem was virtualbox not showing up. | 13:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | woo webrtc audio call successful! | 13:40 |
| piggz | r0kk3rz: nice | 13:46 |
| piggz | is there a silica type for something like an android 'toast; popup notification? | 13:46 |
| r0kk3rz | isnt that the normal notifications api? | 13:46 |
| piggz | well, maybe | 13:47 |
| piggz | but, theyre kinda outside the app | 13:47 |
| piggz | and appear in the timeline | 13:47 |
| r0kk3rz | i think you can tell it to popup only | 13:47 |
| piggz | im thinking of something like the remore popup | 13:47 |
| piggz | but without the remorse part | 13:47 |
| r0kk3rz | that would be useful | 13:49 |
| piggz | well, i added a rectage, a timer and a text item ... it will do for now! | 13:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | hah | 14:01 |
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| piggz | im loving being able to reliable read logs from the watch .... next job is to read activities | 14:18 |
| piggz | i probbaly need a database schema too | 14:18 |
| piggz | thh, maybe i should read step data first | 14:18 |
| flypig | piggz, just looking at your bluez code. Really nice. It looks like a good alternative approach to the incomplete 5.6 implementation. | 14:25 |
| flypig | piggz, ...... can I borrow some of it? ;) | 14:25 |
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| piggz | flypig: feel free | 14:31 |
| piggz | flypig: i will maybe make it a seperate project, so can do PRs on it | 14:32 |
| flypig | piggz, I certainly think it's worth making available for other users. | 14:32 |
| piggz | atm its just enough for me, so maybe you will need to add some features | 14:32 |
| flypig | piggz, without trying I wouldn't like to say, but yes, I can imagine it could grow in this case. | 14:33 |
| flypig | piggz, one thing I noticed looking through the code is that QT uses an InterfacesAdded to detect new devices, rather than waiting for a timeout. This might be something to consider; https://github.com/qt/qtconnectivity/blob/a7be018dfae73e4e2a68fd82e775d05d52aea983/src/bluetooth/qbluetoothdevicediscoveryagent_bluez.cpp#L83 | 14:35 |
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| piggz | flypig: mal: feel free to fork/pr https://github.com/piggz/qble | 15:41 |
| flypig | piggz, nice, thanks. I'll be giving it a go! | 15:41 |
| mal | piggz:thanks, I'll try to reproduce the service characteristics of the app for my watch | 15:48 |
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| lolek | hi there | 19:13 |
| lolek | any news regarding new sailfish version? | 19:14 |
| r0kk3rz | SoonTM | 19:17 |
| lolek | r0kk3rz :) | 19:20 |
| lolek | do we know what will be updated? | 19:20 |
| r0kk3rz | lots apparently | 19:21 |
| lolek | hmm | 19:21 |
| lolek | I remember that it was said, encryption should be seen yet this year | 19:21 |
| lolek | I'm just thinking if I should still wait to give it a more time or give up | 19:22 |
| r0kk3rz | indeed sfos is an exercise in patience | 19:23 |
| lolek | from what I see here: https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-x-whats-next/ encryption should come in the first half of the year | 19:23 |
| lolek | we've got may so one month left | 19:23 |
| r0kk3rz | 2.2 shouldnt be too far away, so we will see what it contains | 19:24 |
| lolek | yet my current phone is in a state that needs replacement and if there will be no change in sailfish, then I'll have to pick up what's on the market and the choice is worse than one would think | 19:24 |
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| mpol | lolek: you can choose to be impatient and choose the Xperia X, or be patient and buy an Xperia XA2 after the summer. But what do I know, I am still sailing on with my Jolla 1 :) | 19:29 |
| Krikke | I'm quite happy with the X | 19:30 |
| Krikke | it could be even better hw though | 19:30 |
| lolek | mpol: I have xperia x already | 19:30 |
| mpol | lolek: and it needs replacement? You are fast :) | 19:30 |
| lolek | no | 19:30 |
| Krikke | I have the n900, jolla 1, 2x jolla c and the x :D | 19:30 |
| lolek | I've bought it to see sailfish | 19:30 |
| lolek | if it's ready to switch to it as a main OS | 19:31 |
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| mpol | lolek: I don't know these things first hand, but I was under the impression only some people have problems with the X, like wifi tethering. | 19:31 |
| lolek | mpol: well where I should start | 19:32 |
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| mpol | too much problems? | 19:32 |
| lolek | mpol: problem? would say, what works :) | 19:32 |
| r0kk3rz | android has a lot of features that sfos simply doesnt | 19:32 |
| mpol | in a way, that is why I like my phone | 19:33 |
| lolek | mpol: camera is useless, bluetooth doesn't work with my car, speaker doesn't work, encryption is missing but it's general sailfish, no ability to unlock in any other way than using the power button, very very dated browser, lack of hd voice but it's more of sailfish issue, | 19:35 |
| lolek | mpol: and oh, there's just one option to lock the screen, it's the pin, which is not very secure as it's easy to spot what you're typing | 19:36 |
| r0kk3rz | hd voice? you mean volte? | 19:38 |
| lolek | r0kk3rz: nope, I mean HD voice | 19:38 |
| r0kk3rz | whats that | 19:38 |
| lolek | I don't care about VoLTE | 19:39 |
| lolek | r0kk3rz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wideband_audio | 19:39 |
| lolek | r0kk3rz: in short, it's something before VoLTE that's already available, well at least it works everywhere in my country ;) | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | does the xperia x support it in android? | 19:42 |
| lolek | of course | 19:42 |
| lolek | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smartphones_with_HD_Voice_support | 19:43 |
| lolek | tbh I think that every androide phone above some version supports it | 19:43 |
| lolek | *support | 19:43 |
| r0kk3rz | fair enough | 19:45 |
| lolek | r0kk3rz: if it's true as it's from here: https://www.onsip.com/blog/hd-voice and the codec is really free I see no reason why sailfish doesn't support it | 19:46 |
| r0kk3rz | well, perhaps theres no blocker, but nobody has implemented it yet | 19:47 |
| mpol | lolek: could be nobody reported or requested it. You could make a topic on together.jolla.com and see if it gets picked up | 19:48 |
| lolek | https://together.jolla.com/question/138844/jolla-caquafish-amr-wb-hd-voice-support/ | 19:49 |
| lolek | https://together.jolla.com/question/1631/amr-wbhd-voice-support/ | 19:49 |
| lolek | https://together.jolla.com/question/158856/please-give-update-for-volte-call-or-hd-voice-call-in-intex-aqua-fish/ | 19:49 |
| mpol | okay :) | 19:50 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah im fairly sure its low down the priority list | 19:53 |
| r0kk3rz | telephony stuff is filled with black magic voodoo, and i dont think jolla has too many experts in that area | 19:54 |
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| lolek | r0kk3rz well, according to the comments in one of those links, Jolla 1 did support it | 19:58 |
| r0kk3rz | it did? i wonder what the deal is then | 19:58 |
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| lolek | well no idea | 20:11 |
| lolek | would be good to have a word from someone from jolla | 20:11 |
| r0kk3rz | you could probably talk to monich about it | 20:13 |
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| lolek | monich: ^^? | 20:16 |
| monich | ugh? | 20:16 |
| mal | monich: they are talking about HD voice in calls | 20:18 |
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| monich | never came across anything related to voice codecs and stuff | 20:20 |
| monich | my impression that it's up to the modem | 20:20 |
| lolek | monich: well the question is if sailfish or when will support hd voice. From the short research I've just did it looks like it's just matter of some free codec, so it shouldn't be a problem from the legal point of view, but of course I may have not enough knowledge in that area | 20:20 |
| lolek | monich: well hd voice is supported in every android phone above some os version from what I understand | 20:21 |
| monich | if modem is implementing the codes, then it's a black box for us | 20:21 |
| lolek | monich: also, based on this it looks like jolla 1 https://together.jolla.com/question/138844/jolla-caquafish-amr-wb-hd-voice-support/ did support it | 20:21 |
| lolek | monich: well for sure in xperia x it was working when there was android, the question is why it's not working after moving to sailfish os? | 20:22 |
| monich | that's a good question. how to tell which codec is in use? | 20:23 |
| lolek | well I won't tell you I'm not a sailfish os dev :P | 20:23 |
| monich | we (ofono) are not even talking directly to the modem, we are talking to rild which talks to the modem | 20:24 |
| monich | I have always been assuming that by default modem would be using the best available codec and we don't have to configure anything in that area | 20:25 |
| monich | speaking of sailfish x, we are using android binaries provided by sony | 20:25 |
| monich | we don't have the sources | 20:25 |
| monich | so if something goes wrong, it's hard to tell why and how to fix it | 20:26 |
| monich | life is so much easier when you're dealing with open sources | 20:27 |
| mal | monich: I read that android tells users if HD voice is enabled during a call so it must be available from RIL somehow | 20:28 |
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| monich | mal: I don't see anything related to codec, hd voice or whatever in google's official ril.h | 20:29 |
| lolek | hm | 20:30 |
| mal | ok | 20:30 |
| monich | those may be proprietary requests related to that | 20:30 |
| monich | but those are obviously odm-specific | 20:31 |
| monich | and without the sources, hard to reverse-engineer | 20:31 |
| monich | which sucks | 20:32 |
| lolek | well if I'm not wrong | 20:32 |
| lolek | lineageos supports it | 20:32 |
| lolek | so | 20:32 |
| lolek | you could see how they do it there | 20:32 |
| * monich goggles lineageos | 20:32 | |
| lolek | well | 20:33 |
| lolek | on the other hand, here it says it's not: https://www.reddit.com/r/LineageOS/comments/63olv1/how_to_enable_amrwb_on_samsung_galaxy_s4/ | 20:33 |
| lolek | :/ | 20:33 |
| r0kk3rz | lolek: evidently you notice the difference in audio quality? | 20:34 |
| lolek | r0kk3rz of course, the difference is huge | 20:35 |
| lolek | and it can even work with 2g :) | 20:35 |
| lolek | *2G | 20:35 |
| monich | there's nothing interesting in ril.h from lineageos | 20:36 |
| monich | it's pretty much a copy from google | 20:36 |
| lolek | :/ | 20:37 |
| lolek | maybe it would be good to ask sony? | 20:37 |
| lolek | maybe it's paid? like some license | 20:37 |
| lolek | would be good to have it as extra when paying for the sailfish | 20:38 |
| monich | honestly speaking we are having hard time keeping the basic things working :/ | 20:38 |
| monich | like, the latest android is replacing socket-based ril protocol with binder-based | 20:38 |
| r0kk3rz | oh thats lame | 20:38 |
| lolek | monich: pls checkout this log: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29579547&postcount=14 | 20:38 |
| lolek | scroll down | 20:39 |
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| lolek | r0kk3rz: here's example and in fact it's not fair away from the reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwVPkt6vwEw | 20:41 |
| monich | lolek: ril request 59 is RIL_REQUEST_OEM_HOOK_RAW :) | 20:42 |
| r0kk3rz | still that in RIL, which should work in the same way | 20:42 |
| monich | OEM hook is another way of doing proprietary shit | 20:42 |
| r0kk3rz | ah, i see | 20:43 |
| lolek | :/ | 20:43 |
| lolek | monich: so you'd have to ask Sony? | 20:44 |
| r0kk3rz | it might not be sony voodoo, it could be qcom | 20:44 |
| monich | lolek: I'll try to remember | 20:44 |
| lolek | well someone should know something about it | 20:45 |
| lolek | monich: I think this is also something you could find interesting | 20:45 |
| lolek | https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1708598 | 20:45 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, someone under an NDA | 20:45 |
| lolek | r0kk3rz hopefully not | 20:45 |
| mal | here is some stuff from some other devices https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32582407/android-ril-speech-codec-info | 20:45 |
| lolek | in the end it seems that hd voice is using free codec so | 20:45 |
| lolek | ha | 20:47 |
| lolek | mal: :D | 20:47 |
| lolek | monich: look at what mal pasted | 20:47 |
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| monich | ok, this is something (qcom specific, obviously) | 20:49 |
| lolek | http://www.voiceage.com/AMR-WB.G.722.2.html | 20:49 |
| lolek | so it seems it will be paid feature... well ok | 20:50 |
| lolek | question is how much | 20:50 |
| lolek | http://www.science20.com/newswire/voiceage_announces_launch_amrwbg7222_speech_compression_standards_patent_pool | 20:50 |
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| lolek | monich: do you think the codec is there? | 21:00 |
| lolek | or it will require additional license? | 21:00 |
| r0kk3rz | lolek: capture some RIL logs and see what those codec calls look like | 21:01 |
| lolek | do you know how to do this? | 21:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | /usr/libexec/droid-hybris/system/bin/logcat -b radio | 21:05 |
| monich | I am reasonably that audio codecs are part of the modem firmware | 21:08 |
| monich | (reasonably sure) | 21:08 |
| lolek | monich: which is or is not part of sailfish os? | 21:08 |
| monich | no, it's a blob for us | 21:08 |
| monich | but they could be configurable! | 21:09 |
| lolek | :) | 21:09 |
| lolek | ok then | 21:09 |
| monich | the codecs, that is | 21:09 |
| r0kk3rz | lolek: another thing to figure out, is does it work in an AOSP 6 build for that phone | 21:09 |
| lolek | I'll poke you in few days to ask if you found anything | 21:10 |
| lolek | so, see ya | 21:11 |
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