Sunday, 2018-05-20

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TruxxThat's amazing... I just saw that Sailfish even runs on a Droid 4. Anyone using it? Great work.08:51
r0kk3rza few people do, mainly for the keyboard09:11
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TruxxYeah, not many devices with a good slider09:20
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tom_bolahello all. i am trying to install the sailfish os sdk, but it seems to hang upon ":/metadata/org.merproject.maintenance/zh_cn.qm". this seems to be just an laguage package (that i don't need). is there a way to skip it11:58
r0kk3rzi dont see why it would hang on that11:59
r0kk3rzsometimes it hangs on ssh key creation though11:59
tom_bolawouldn't i see an ongoing ssh process then?12:05
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piggzflypig: ping12:52
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tom_bolaok. solved it. the problem was virtualbox not showing up.13:03
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r0kk3rzwoo webrtc audio call successful!13:40
piggzr0kk3rz: nice13:46
piggzis there a silica type for something like an android 'toast; popup notification?13:46
r0kk3rzisnt that the normal notifications api?13:46
piggzwell, maybe13:47
piggzbut, theyre kinda outside the app13:47
piggzand appear in the timeline13:47
r0kk3rzi think you can tell it to popup only13:47
piggzim thinking of something like the remore popup13:47
piggzbut without the remorse part13:47
r0kk3rzthat would be useful13:49
piggzwell, i added a rectage, a timer and a text item ... it will do for now!13:53
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piggzim loving being able to reliable read logs from the watch .... next job is to read activities14:18
piggzi probbaly need a database schema too14:18
piggzthh, maybe i should read step data first14:18
flypigpiggz, just looking at your bluez code. Really nice. It looks like a good alternative approach to the incomplete 5.6 implementation.14:25
flypigpiggz, ...... can I borrow some of it? ;)14:25
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piggzflypig: feel free14:31
piggzflypig: i will maybe make it a seperate project, so can do PRs on it14:32
flypigpiggz, I certainly think it's worth making available for other users.14:32
piggzatm its just enough for me, so maybe you will need to add some features14:32
flypigpiggz, without trying I wouldn't like to say, but yes, I can imagine it could grow in this case.14:33
flypigpiggz, one thing I noticed looking through the code is that QT uses an InterfacesAdded to detect new devices, rather than waiting for a timeout. This might be something to consider;
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piggzflypig: mal: feel free to fork/pr
flypigpiggz, nice, thanks. I'll be giving it a go!15:41
malpiggz:thanks, I'll try to reproduce the service characteristics of the app for my watch15:48
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lolekhi there19:13
lolekany news regarding new sailfish version?19:14
lolekr0kk3rz :)19:20
lolekdo we know what will be updated?19:20
r0kk3rzlots apparently19:21
lolekI remember that it was said, encryption should be seen yet this year19:21
lolekI'm just thinking if I should still wait to give it a more time or give up19:22
r0kk3rzindeed sfos is an exercise in patience19:23
lolekfrom what I see here: encryption should come in the first half of the year19:23
lolekwe've got may so one month left19:23
r0kk3rz2.2 shouldnt be too far away, so we will see what it contains19:24
lolekyet my current phone is in a state that needs replacement and if there will be no change in sailfish, then I'll have to pick up what's on the market and the choice is worse than one would think19:24
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mpollolek: you can choose to be impatient and choose the Xperia X, or be patient and buy an Xperia XA2 after the summer. But what do I know, I am still sailing on with my Jolla 1 :)19:29
KrikkeI'm quite happy with the X19:30
Krikkeit could be even better hw though19:30
lolekmpol: I have xperia x already19:30
mpollolek: and it needs replacement? You are fast :)19:30
KrikkeI have the n900, jolla 1, 2x jolla c and the x :D19:30
lolekI've bought it to see sailfish19:30
lolekif it's ready to switch to it as a main OS19:31
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mpollolek: I don't know these things first hand, but I was under the impression only some people have problems with the X, like wifi tethering.19:31
lolekmpol: well where I should start19:32
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mpoltoo much problems?19:32
lolekmpol: problem? would say, what works :)19:32
r0kk3rzandroid has a lot of features that sfos simply doesnt19:32
mpolin a way, that is why I like my phone19:33
lolekmpol: camera is useless, bluetooth doesn't work with my car, speaker doesn't work, encryption is missing but it's general sailfish, no ability to unlock in any other way than using the power button, very very dated browser, lack of hd voice but it's more of sailfish issue,19:35
lolekmpol: and oh, there's just one option to lock the screen, it's the pin, which is not very secure as it's easy to spot what you're typing19:36
r0kk3rzhd voice? you mean volte?19:38
lolekr0kk3rz: nope, I mean HD voice19:38
r0kk3rzwhats that19:38
lolekI don't care about VoLTE19:39
lolekr0kk3rz: in short, it's something before VoLTE that's already available, well at least it works everywhere in my country ;)19:40
r0kk3rzdoes the xperia x support it in android?19:42
lolekof course19:42
lolektbh I think that every androide phone above some version supports it19:43
r0kk3rzfair enough19:45
lolekr0kk3rz: if it's true as it's from here: and the codec is really free I see no reason why sailfish doesn't support it19:46
r0kk3rzwell, perhaps theres no blocker, but nobody has implemented it yet19:47
mpollolek: could be nobody reported or requested it. You could make a topic on and see if it gets picked up19:48
mpolokay :)19:50
r0kk3rzyeah im fairly sure its low down the priority list19:53
r0kk3rztelephony stuff is filled with black magic voodoo, and i dont think jolla has too many experts in that area19:54
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lolekr0kk3rz well, according to the comments in one of those links, Jolla 1 did support it19:58
r0kk3rzit did? i wonder what the deal is then19:58
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lolekwell no idea20:11
lolekwould be good to have a word from someone from jolla20:11
r0kk3rzyou could probably talk to monich about it20:13
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lolekmonich: ^^?20:16
malmonich: they are talking about HD voice in calls20:18
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monichnever came across anything related to voice codecs and stuff20:20
monichmy impression that it's up to the modem20:20
lolekmonich: well the question is if sailfish or when will support hd voice. From the short research I've just did it looks like it's just matter of some free codec, so it shouldn't be a problem from the legal point of view, but of course I may have not enough knowledge in that area20:20
lolekmonich: well hd voice is supported in every android phone above some os version from what I understand20:21
monichif modem is implementing the codes, then it's a black box for us20:21
lolekmonich: also, based on this it looks like jolla 1 did support it20:21
lolekmonich: well for sure in xperia x it was working when there was android, the question is why it's not working after moving to sailfish os?20:22
monichthat's a good question. how to tell which codec is in use?20:23
lolekwell I won't tell you I'm not a sailfish os dev :P20:23
monichwe (ofono) are not even talking directly to the modem, we are talking to rild which talks to the modem20:24
monichI have always been assuming that by default modem would be using the best available codec and we don't have to configure anything in that area20:25
monichspeaking of sailfish x, we are using android binaries provided by sony20:25
monichwe don't have the sources20:25
monichso if something goes wrong, it's hard to tell why and how to fix it20:26
monichlife is so much easier when you're dealing with open sources20:27
malmonich: I read that android tells users if HD voice is enabled during a call so it must be available from RIL somehow20:28
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monichmal: I don't see anything related to codec, hd voice or whatever in google's official ril.h20:29
monichthose may be proprietary requests related to that20:30
monichbut those are obviously odm-specific20:31
monichand without the sources, hard to reverse-engineer20:31
monichwhich sucks20:32
lolekwell if I'm not wrong20:32
loleklineageos supports it20:32
lolekyou could see how they do it there20:32
* monich goggles lineageos20:32
lolekon the other hand, here it says it's not:
r0kk3rzlolek: evidently you notice the difference in audio quality?20:34
lolekr0kk3rz of course, the difference is huge20:35
lolekand it can even work with 2g :)20:35
monichthere's nothing interesting in ril.h from lineageos20:36
monichit's pretty much a copy from google20:36
lolekmaybe it would be good to ask sony?20:37
lolekmaybe it's paid? like some license20:37
lolekwould be good to have it as extra when paying for the sailfish20:38
monichhonestly speaking we are having hard time keeping the basic things working :/20:38
monichlike, the latest android is replacing socket-based ril protocol with binder-based20:38
r0kk3rzoh thats lame20:38
lolekmonich: pls checkout this log:
lolekscroll down20:39
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lolekr0kk3rz: here's example and in fact it's not fair away from the reality:
monichlolek: ril request 59 is RIL_REQUEST_OEM_HOOK_RAW :)20:42
r0kk3rzstill that in RIL, which should work in the same way20:42
monichOEM hook is another way of doing proprietary shit20:42
r0kk3rzah, i see20:43
lolekmonich: so you'd have to ask Sony?20:44
r0kk3rzit might not be sony voodoo, it could be qcom20:44
monichlolek: I'll try to remember20:44
lolekwell someone should know something about it20:45
lolekmonich: I think this is also something you could find interesting20:45
r0kk3rzsure, someone under an NDA20:45
lolekr0kk3rz hopefully not20:45
malhere is some stuff from some other devices
lolekin the end it seems that hd voice is using free codec so20:45
lolekmal: :D20:47
lolekmonich: look at what mal pasted20:47
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monichok, this is something (qcom specific, obviously)20:49
lolekso it seems it will be paid feature... well ok20:50
lolekquestion is how much20:50
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lolekmonich: do you think the codec is there?21:00
lolekor it will require additional license?21:00
r0kk3rzlolek: capture some RIL logs and see what those codec calls look like21:01
lolekdo you know how to do this?21:01
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r0kk3rz/usr/libexec/droid-hybris/system/bin/logcat -b radio21:05
monichI am reasonably that audio codecs are part of the modem firmware21:08
monich(reasonably sure)21:08
lolekmonich: which is or is not part of sailfish os?21:08
monichno, it's a blob for us21:08
monichbut they could be configurable!21:09
lolekok then21:09
monichthe codecs, that is21:09
r0kk3rzlolek: another thing to figure out, is does it work in an AOSP 6 build for that phone21:09
lolekI'll poke you in few days to ask if you found anything21:10
lolekso, see ya21:11
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