Wednesday, 2018-10-17

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dragonchaserflav0r: if the booptloader is unlocked you should see a orange message when booting the device05:06
dragonchaserSaying "this device can not be trusted... Blablabla"05:07
flav0ryeah i think im good to go05:41
flav0rright now im just updating android to the minimum level05:42
flav0ris it worth shelling out the $60 or so for sailfish x ?05:42
dragonchaserflav0r: i switched two weeks ago and I do not want to go back.06:03
dragonchaserin the beginning you will need the sailfish x version to have time to migrate from your android apps06:03
flav0roh i dont use android06:04
dragonchaser(and of course if you need exchange support)06:04
flav0ri just got this phone to try it out06:04
dragonchaseric well your choice06:04
dragonchaserguaranteed updates for one year is the other perk...06:04
flav0rhmm whatdo you mean ill need sailfish x to migrate06:05
flav0rare you saying i can just install regular sailfish ?06:05
dragonchaserto migrate from android apps06:05
DylanVanAsscheI have Exchange Support enabled to sync my schedule and e-mails from the university. Android Support is only in use for ProtonMail and Firefox06:05
flav0ror is the only option to use sailfish x with this sony xperia06:05
dragonchaserI use android only for osmand and firefox from time to time06:05
dragonchasertbh the builtin browser is not that good06:05
flav0ri used it some time ago with a nexus 406:06
flav0rsailfish that is06:06
DylanVanAsscheSailfish X is Sailfish OS for Xperia devices, it's just a brand name. You can install the community version (without Android Support, Exchange and XT9) or the licensed one (the same but with the components where Jolla has to pay for)06:06
flav0rhmm and where might some instructions for that be06:07
flav0rwhat ive found seems to want to steer me along the path of paying06:07
DylanVanAsscheI don't have the instructions for it, people at the #sailfishos-porters channel might be able to help you. There's a chance that you need to build the image yourself, I don't know :p06:09
flav0roh man06:09
flav0ri wonder why people are hell bent on makign EVERYTHING confusing06:15
flav0rsailfish OS 3 … current version 2.2.106:15
flav0rlol wtf06:15
DylanVanAsscheBumping the release to 3.0.0 shows to potential manufactures: Hey, look our platform is already in it's 3rd generation, much more mature than before (which really is, in 2014 when I start using SFOS, some features were missing. That gap is pretty closed by now for at least)06:17
xenudoes sailfish 3 have a working web browser?06:21
xenuby "working" i mean non-ancient06:21
DylanVanAsschexenu: Curious about that as well...06:24
flav0rcant believe i just spent $60 on a mobile OS !!06:50
flav0rsave time !06:55
flav0rand im rich06:56
flav0rso who cares06:56
Mister_Magisterthis bitch is rich xD no offence06:57
tadzikspending money on a mobile OS is a world I'd like to live in06:57
tadzikwhere buying a device doesn't lock you in on particular software06:57
Mister_Magisterin fact you are not paying for OS06:58
Mister_Magisterand in fact you pay for android when you are buying device06:58
flav0rand who knows06:58
flav0rmaybe that $60 will keep this whole project alive for an extra hour or so !06:58
r0kk3rzflav0r: i hope you like it06:58
flav0rif i do i do06:59
flav0rif i dont i dont06:59
Mister_Magisterin sfos you are rather paying for support and alien06:59
flav0rthe wold will keep spinning !06:59
* Mister_Magister earth is slowing down in spinning tbh06:59
flav0rstop eating dude06:59
flav0ris all the hardware working now on xperia ?07:00
flav0ri read it wasnt yet07:00
flav0rwhich is kinda lame !07:00
dragonchaserwhat is not working according to your sources?07:00
flav0ri just read it online07:01
flav0rwas from quite a few months back07:01
flav0rmaybe its all good to go now!07:01
dragonchaserit is working07:01
flav0rinterestingly … i dont actually use bluetooth much07:01
dragonchaserI am using it all the time, car, headphones, speakers07:01
flav0rexcept for apps i write myself07:01
Mister_Magisteri want jolla to get device with roma chip xD07:01
tadzikthe one that goes into sleep mode every afternoon? ;)07:02
flav0rsame dudes on the other channel07:03
tbrdoes it come with a nero companion chip that sets it on fire? ;-)07:03
tadzikand the FPU is a horse07:03
dragonchaserhave you found my weed-stash again?07:04
chriadamit's worth noting that Bluetooth is not a single thing, but rather a suite of protocols and profiles for different types of devices.  So, some individual devices may not work properly with SFOS while others work perfectly, depending on the specific versions of the Bluetooth profiles required, and quirks of the implementation in SFOS.07:04
flav0rits also not blue07:04
chriadamplease report any issues you find so that they can be prioritised and fixed07:04
tbrbluetooth is pandoras box, best left closed and ignored07:05
r0kk3rzits ok, you just need to backport the latest kernel drivers07:06
Mister_Magistertbr: lol07:07
Mister_Magisteri want my roma chip up tho :C07:07
Mister_Magisteri didnt buy bt car radio for nothing07:07
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: backporting to 4.9 kernel will be hard? xD07:07
flav0rim sick of hearing about paul allens death07:08
Mister_Magisterabout who?07:08
dragonchaserflav0r: then just turn of you devices and let them rest for a couple of days07:09
dragonchaserMister_Magister: cofounder of microsoft07:09
Mister_Magisterdont know him07:09
leszekyou are too young little padawan07:09
Mister_Magisterleszek: yes master07:10
leszekThere is a good movie called Silicon Valley Story. Not 100% accurate but impressive little movie that explains the history around MS and Apple07:10
Mister_Magisterleszek: btw 5z got 2 developers that are working on lineage 18 now07:11
leszekoh actually in english it is called "Pirates of Silicon Valley"07:12
leszekMister_Magister: nice. Very nice :)07:12
flav0rwhats linage 1807:12
Mister_Magisterleszek: i will have go back to 17 but its rather doable07:12
dragonchaserflav0r: android rom07:12
Mister_Magistermore doable than going forward07:12
dragonchasermost famous atm07:12
flav0ri have no clue!07:12
dragonchaserbtw is there a community port for the jelly pro?07:13
Mister_Magisterleszek: cause they decided there is no point in doing 17. and also they said that porting for 5z is pita07:13
flav0rinteresting that you dudes talk quite a bit07:14
flav0rthe other channels i am in are pretty much quiet07:14
Mister_Magisterthis one is too07:14
flav0rmust be my charm07:14
leszekthe channels are for talking. So I don't see a problem with it07:15
dragonchaserflav0r: irc is not that popular anymore, most ppl tend to use hipster crap like slack, rocketchat, riot etc07:15
dragonchaserthere are fights going on about this in many companies07:16
xenuslack doesn't really compete with irc, it's for closed communities07:16
xenuthese days the biggest competitor of irc is discord07:16
dragonchaserxenu: also hipster crap :D07:17
xenuyeah, anyway irc is doing well07:17
leszekyeah still used also in the company I work for :)07:18
dragonchasersure, the usual argument is just "doesn't work (well) on my mobile"07:18
Mister_Magisterwhen i want help from some community i go to irc i always find help there07:18
Mister_Magisterlike have problem with some software and google <software> irc07:18
xenu>During last connections to freenode its servers reported an average of 84312 users and 47698 chat rooms07:18
leszekgranted for mobile and events we also use telegram mostly07:18
dragonchaseri do not trust telegram07:18
flav0rnot popular huh07:19
flav0rhow long you guys been on irc for ?07:19
dragonchaserI mostly use irc, matrix(usually via weechat) and signal07:19
dragonchaserflav0r: late 90s07:19
leszekI am also not 100% happy with it as it uses a closed server and I don't know what they do with our data. But what can I do. I can't force switch everyone to use Signal07:19
dragonchaserleszek: signal in groups has severe flaws, the message confirmations do not work reliable, if someone is on mobile data and has bad reception it will duplicate messages and it will flood the channel07:20
Mister_Magisterdragonchaser: same as my existence07:20
Mister_Magisteri started existing in late 90s07:20
dragonchaserMister_Magister: I am feeling old now :D07:21
leszekdragonchaser: oh I did not know about. Thx for notifying me about it. I only used signal for PMs so far07:21
Mister_Magisterdragonchaser: im feeling young07:21
Mister_Magistereverbody on irc is like 30+ with kids07:21
xenuMister_Magister: ah, i though you meant it has severe flaws07:21
dragonchaserwell but I have seen sco at its peak... so I have this going for me :D07:21
dragonchaserleszek: for that purpose it is fine07:21
chriadam<insert comment about `screen` and `ytalk` and the luxurious length of my neckbeard>07:22
Mister_Magisterill spoil something to you telegram signal irc they all are same insecure07:22
dragonchaserchriadam: tmux ftw :D07:22
leszekStill if I had the choice either use telegram or whatsapp I would choose telegram for sure07:22
flav0r1992 for me :|07:22
dragonchaserMister_Magister: for groups it does not matter, always assume that group conversations are public and insecure07:22
dragonchaserflav0r: irc in '92 *doubt*07:22
leszekMister_Magister: then show me the security issue in within Signal. And nope the webapp, shipping whole browser to provide a desktop app does not count07:23
flav0rtrue story dude07:23
Mister_Magisterfor private go use tox or retroshare07:23
dragonchaserMister_Magister: jabber with otr07:23
Mister_Magistertox with retroshare07:23
dragonchaserflav0r: how old are you?07:23
leszekah ok talking about group chats. Yeah the assumption that they are unsecure and what you write is basically public is 100% true07:23
flav0ryou gonna send me birthday cards dude?07:23
Mister_Magisterleszek: i cant trust something that has closed source07:23
* Mister_Magister doesnt trust linux07:24
dragonchaserflav0r: nah, with the age I assume for you, I am thinking more of a wheelchair :D07:24
flav0rim still in my prime dude !07:24
flav0rmore or less07:24
leszekMister_Magister: I know another guy that has the same issue. Maybe I am getting just old but I think you can't check every piece of code of anything you are using and ultimatively you have to trust the developer/company or whoever wrote that piece of software07:25
dragonchaserI hate the java ecosystem...07:25
Mister_Magisterleszek: but when source is open its more likely that someone other would find that07:25
leszekdragonchaser: I think we can agree that the majority hates Java07:25
dragonchaserleszek: not the way I do...07:25
dragonchaserever tried to package it? I mean not packaging java applications but java itself?07:26
leszekMister_Magister: that is so true yeah that is the reason I like free software more and am willing to promote it07:26
dragonchaserand I thought php was a mess07:26
Mister_Magisterleszek: and also telegram's tos07:26
leszektos = terms of service?07:27
leszekat least it is plain english and understandable07:28
Mister_Magistersee chat is quiet again07:39
dragonchaserMister_Magister: oh noes.....07:39
dragonchaserwe need a lorem ipsum bot :D07:40
flav0rdevice is flashing !08:00
flav0rfingers crossed08:00
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Mister_Magisterflav0r: i flashed tons of devices countless times it has no longer that effect to me08:07
Mister_Magisterits refreshing to see it08:07
flav0rahha yeah i can imagine08:09
flav0rhmm now it says … booting .. OKAY08:09
flav0rfinished .. total time...08:09
flav0r<waiting for BH9…..>08:09
flav0rits kind of hung there08:09
flav0ris it done .. or it just takes some time?08:10
flav0rjust before it said booting it was downloading “boot.img”..08:10
dragonchaserflav0r: does it boot?08:11
flav0rnot by itself08:12
flav0ri suppose i could just unplug it and try to boot it08:12
Mister_Magisteri wouldn't08:12
flav0ryah il just wait a bit08:12
dragonchaserbe patient :D08:13
Mister_Magisterflav0r: how are you flashing it?08:14
flav0rfollowing these directions08:15
dragonchaserwhat device f5121 or f5122?08:15
flav0rso i downloaded the zip file from jolla08:15
flav0rand then i put the img file from sony in same folder08:16
dragonchaserflashed mine 2 weeks ago without any issues and no stops08:16
Mister_Magisterflav0r: and run script or something?08:16
flav0rand ran flash.sh08:16
dragonchaserdid you download the file from sony?08:16
Mister_Magisterand what do you see in window08:16
dragonchaserunzipped it?08:16
flav0rits a .img file inside08:16
Mister_Magisterflav0r: what do you see in window08:17
Mister_Magisterflav0r: did it boot?08:19
flav0rjust sitting there at where it says … “waiting"08:20
flav0rand mno didnt boot08:20
Mister_Magister  ye i know its waiting08:21
Mister_Magisterand what is on device08:21
flav0rnothign dude08:21
flav0rjust sitting there as it was during the flashing08:21
flav0rwith the blue light08:21
Mister_Magisteri think nothing bad will happen if you boot it08:22
flav0rgood idea !08:22
Mister_Magisteri would just try holding power button08:22
Mister_Magisteri never had xperia08:22
* Mister_Magister motorolas are better08:22
dragonchaserMister_Magister: got a port for the moto g5?08:24
dragonchasertoo bad :D08:24
Mister_Magisterdragonchaser: i said motorolas not lenovo08:24
flav0rflashing again !08:27
flav0rit got stuck at the SONY logo08:27
Mister_Magistersure retry is okay08:27
dragonchaserempirical studies :D08:35
flav0ractually where it says flashing oem partition08:37
flav0rdownloading boot.img08:37
flav0rshould it actually be trying to use SW_binaries_for_Xperia_AOSP_M_MR1_3.10_v13_loire.img08:38
flav0ror is that for another part of the process08:38
dragonchaserthe should care about that08:39
dragonchasergot the right privileges on this file?08:39
flav0rjust regular user08:43
flav0rbut yeah i renamed it08:43
flav0rand it shat itself08:43
flav0rso it took care of it08:43
flav0rhmm i wonder what the issue is08:43
r0kk3rzwhat did you do? its not that hard09:01
flav0rwell right now im reflashing android via that EMMA tool !09:23
flav0rnow flashign again10:39
flav0ron a windows machine !10:39
dragonchaseryou are probably doing something wrong... my xperia x was running within 20 minutes10:40
dragonchaser(running as in all set up & ready to go)10:40
leszekyeah 30 mins it took here but because I messed up and was recording the screen aswell (so you can find it on youtube :P)10:42
flav0rno im not10:43
flav0ri did everything right10:43
flav0rim sure of it10:43
dragonchaserjust out of curiosity... you bought an xperia x or an xperia x compact?10:43
r0kk3rzthen why didnt it work ;)10:43
flav0rwell you see dude10:43
flav0ri know i did it right10:43
flav0rand its an xperia x10:44
dragonchasercongrats... finally10:44
flav0ryeah man10:59
flav0rfinally is right10:59
flav0rhopefully i dont get the itch to make some apps11:00
flav0rwould destroy my available time11:00
Mister_Magisterflav0r: dewit11:04
r0kk3rzyou will, because there arent many apps11:14
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: actually there are11:15
oldragonchaser (IRC):15:52
ol> irc is not that popular anymore, most ppl tend to use hipster crap like slack, rocketchat, riot etc15:52
olIt's even worse. I use Riot for IRC. This message is written in Riot. Matrix is the best IRC bouncer.15:52
dragonchaserol: i know, riot is the way to bring people to irc without them knowing :D16:47
DennisRoczekbtw: does anybody know an irc client for sailfish which does not loose the connection when shutting the screen ("standby")? I mean is there any app with a daemon which leaves the connection open?16:50
tbrit's called "running a shell" and connecting to it either via e.g. mosh or running a bouncer16:51
DennisRoczekoh ok. i had used freeirc (or the like) but it is only useful when being on train and using the mobile for other stuff (so not reading a book or the like)16:54
r0kk3rzits called running a matrix client16:58
r0kk3rzyou should try it sometime16:58
depscribehas anyone gotten xplanet-background to work with current sailfish x?17:22
depscribeand while we're at it, is there a way to control image scaling for home background image?17:23
dragonchaserr0kk3rz: which matrix client do you suggest?18:06
r0kk3rzdragonchaser: for sailfish? there isnt a great amount of choice18:07
r0kk3rzis the one i use18:08
dragonchaserthx will take a look at it tomorrow18:09
olAlso, you can user Riot-Web if you have Alien Dalvik.18:10
olSorry, I mean Riot-Android. But Riot-Web is also an option.18:10
kimmolisailfish-communi proxied to irssi18:11
rydaremy xperia is ded for all intents and purposes, press F to pay respects18:31
rydareI could get it fixed but it's like 70% of buying a new one18:31
rydarei guess only 50% if i do it myself18:32
rydarebut i have never done it before and don't have the tools18:32
tadzikit could be fun :)18:32
rydarethe infuriatiing part of it is that it works perfectly like 50% of the time18:33
rydare50% of the time parts of the screen don't work18:33
rydarepretty sure i stepped on it because i don't have a beside table18:34
rydarei also stepped on my glasses before i started putting htem in a case18:34
rydarekimmoli with the practical suggestion :P18:34
flav0rdo you live in a tent dude?18:36
rydareno lol i just have a bed that is just a mattress right now, and i like having things close by18:37
rydarei could leave it at my desk but then it's hard to check the time in the morning18:37
kimmoliis this some feng sushi thing?18:38
rydareno i just haven't got around to getting a boxspring and frame18:38
rydarei don't really mind the way it is now18:38
depscribeexcept for the part about it leading you to break things?18:50
rydareyeah more or less18:50
depscribea really elementary question: is there decent sfos documentation i can d/l and read? i mean user docs.19:00
maldepscribe: what kind of information do you need?19:05
r0kk3rzthat looks a bit old though19:07
malok, could be19:07
depscribeyup, it's pretty old. i'm hoping to be able to do things such as delete the multitude of ambiances i don't want and to create icon launches for apps with commandline args, and such.19:16
r0kk3rzyou can unfavourite ambiances to remove them from the drop down list20:17
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depscribeRight, though I wonder at using up space on stuff I do not use and will never use, if that space can be freed.23:48

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