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| digi9 | Hello, hope this is the appropriate place for it. I just loaded Sailfish on my Pinephone dev phone, but I can't seem to select English (or any other language) at the language select screen on bootup. Any ideas? Maybe the Pinephone port is still too new? I can scroll, just not select... | 16:42 |
| mkolman | digi9: just an idea - if USB OTG works, you might be able to use a USB keyboard to select the language ? | 17:02 |
| digi9 | interesting idea, I'll have to see if I can find a USB-C hub | 17:03 |
| digi9 | update: unfortunately not :/ | 17:08 |
| digi9 | it's funny because it clearly knows I'm touching *something* | 17:08 |
| PeperJohnny | digi9: you might have more luck in #sailfishos-porters | 17:09 |
| PeperJohnny | they do a lot with non jolla devices | 17:10 |
| digi9 | thanks! | 17:10 |
| mkolman | digi9: it could very well be that it is getting the touch events, but fails immediately afterwards | 17:15 |
| mkolman | digi9: but without crashing the whole app | 17:15 |
| mkolman | digi9: if you can SSH in, you might want to check the system journal | 17:16 |
| digi9 | mkolman: too early to have wifi, so no ssh :) | 17:25 |
| digi9 | I've got a serial cable on order | 17:25 |
| mkolman | usb networking ? :) | 17:26 |
| mkolman | that's what I use, but developer mode might need to be enabled first for that | 17:26 |
| mkolman | which is of course not yet possible at that stage | 17:26 |
| mkolman | also, maybe try this: https://together.jolla.com/question/88093/how-do-i-cancel-tutorial/ | 17:28 |
| mkolman | but depends if the language selection is part of tutorial or separate :) | 17:29 |
| digi9 | I'll give it a shot later (poking at ubports right now) | 17:29 |
| mkolman | btw, when will the "regular" PinePhone batches be available ? | 17:31 |
| mkolman | IIRC March or something like that ? | 17:31 |
| mkolman | thinking about getting one as well then :) | 17:31 |
| PeperJohnny | yeah I think so | 17:32 |
| PeperJohnny | I'd love to have one to, but I'm bound by one android app, whatsapp :/ | 17:33 |
| mkolman | why have one phone if you can have three ? ;-) | 17:33 |
| Nico[m] | Run it in a VM and use a matrix client to connect to the android bridge! | 17:33 |
| PeperJohnny | maybe if one can get android support on the PinePhone | 17:33 |
| mkolman | BTW, in case of whatsapp, I'm not sure I would want to use that even as a native app | 17:33 |
| mkolman | given their past track record | 17:34 |
| Nico[m] | Sometimes you don't have much choice, sadly ._. | 17:34 |
| PeperJohnny | not a fan either, but unfortunately everyone I socialize with uses it and I'm not going full hermit | 17:34 |
| mkolman | BTW, an open source Android emulation layer that community can help to improve and fix would be really useful | 17:35 |
| PeperJohnny | isn't there anbox? | 17:35 |
| mkolman | I hope the recent influx of new reasonably open hardware will help to get that into working shape | 17:36 |
| mkolman | PeperJohnny: well, I know the project exists | 17:36 |
| mkolman | PeperJohnny: but don'T know how fhar it got | 17:37 |
| mkolman | *far | 17:37 |
| PeperJohnny | haven't heard of it in a while | 17:37 |
| mkolman | PeperJohnny: are people using it on mobile devices to run at least basic Android apps, ir is it still more like a proof of concept ? | 17:37 |
| PeperJohnny | I think some people got it running on ubports, but I may be missremembering | 17:38 |
| mkolman | well, at least the Android 8+ based Android emulator Jolla has also uses a container, so it at least validates the concept :) | 17:38 |
| mkolman | PeperJohnny: that does not inspire much confidence :) | 17:39 |
| PeperJohnny | "Anbox is currently suited for the desktop use case but can be used on mobile operating systems like Ubuntu Touch, Sailfish OS or Lune OS too. However as the mapping of Android applications is currently desktop specific this needs additional work to supported stacked window user interfaces too." - from github | 17:40 |
| PeperJohnny | also it's based on 7.1.1 | 17:40 |
| mkolman | well, 5+ would still do for most cases | 17:41 |
| PeperJohnny | yup. I wonder if jollas adaptation is based on this | 17:41 |
| mkolman | that's a good question | 17:42 |
| mkolman | if it's BSD, the it could be | 17:42 |
| mkolman | if GPL, not likely | 17:42 |
| mkolman | as it looks like they own the code or have licensed it from someone (Miriad group ?) | 17:42 |
| PeperJohnny | ah yeah it's GPL v3 | 17:43 |
| mkolman | that's good :) | 17:43 |
| PeperJohnny | yup they did, I didn't know if they could keep that going or had to rebase | 17:43 |
| mkolman | well, then it's unlikely the Jollas solution is based on it, maqybe minus the common architecture | 17:44 |
| PeperJohnny | you're probably right | 17:44 |
| mkolman | would be interesting what happened, as it seemed like Miriad group was not interested in supporting 5+ | 17:44 |
| mkolman | so maybe Jolla is the main author of the new layer | 17:44 |
| mkolman | well, who knows | 17:45 |
| PeperJohnny | IIRC they bought the right to work on it and kept working on it | 17:45 |
| PeperJohnny | was maybe said in a meeting or so | 17:45 |
| mkolman | could be | 17:45 |
| mkolman | but I wonder how much of it could be reused | 17:45 |
| mkolman | the new solution seem pretty different | 17:45 |
| mkolman | *seems | 17:45 |
| PeperJohnny | yup | 17:45 |
| mkolman | as for anbox - I think this needs to be as easy & widely used as Wine | 17:46 |
| mkolman | that's imho the only way it can improve & keep up with android changes, like Wine does with Windows | 17:47 |
| mkolman | eq. enough people using & improving it | 17:47 |
| PeperJohnny | so we'd need a codeweavers style company that can work on it and release part of as open source | 17:47 |
| mkolman | ideally | 17:47 |
| mkolman | or someone like Valve sponsoring development | 17:48 |
| mkolman | I guess if Jolla had more money they could do that :) | 17:48 |
| mkolman | but I guess there are still bigger fires to right at the moment :) | 17:48 |
| PeperJohnny | well given the adoption of linux mobile OS is even less to desktop linux, I think it's far away unfortunately | 17:48 |
| mkolman | sure, but Android emulation could be one of the pre-conditions needed to change that | 17:49 |
| mkolman | IMHO that's what is keeping Sailfish OS above water outside of corporate customers | 17:50 |
| PeperJohnny | yeah think so too | 17:50 |
| mkolman | similar effect with Linux & gaming | 17:50 |
| mkolman | *desktop Linux | 17:50 |
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| piggz | hello, i have a base item, eg https://paste.mozilla.org/8HT3Ynh0 which contains a pulldownmenu, exposed as a property | 20:07 |
| piggz | pages are implements such as https://paste.mozilla.org/LASEAvL8 | 20:07 |
| piggz | items are added to the page ok as the default property, but when added to the menu, they all appear ontop of eachother | 20:08 |
| piggz | i tried exposing the menu as menu._contentColumn.data but it didnt like that syntax | 20:08 |
| piggz | any ideas? | 20:09 |
| Guest28 | Hello, ex-nokian here. Good to see meego alive. Want to go down the Xperia 10+Sailfish route as its open source and am concerned about privacy on android/ios. How secure is sailfish to government snooping in re: post-snowden world? I noticed the core sw is open source but the apps are proprietary. | 22:33 |
| Nico[m] | I don't think there are any guarantees. Most of the base system is open source, so we can be reasonably sure, that there aren't any backdoors in there, but as the UI is proprietary, that could be an easy way to hide a backdoor, I guess. Although most of it is QML and stored in plain text on the phone, and that also doesn't seem to have backdoors. I guess, there could be some hiding somewhere in the proprietary binary bits | 22:52 |
| Nico[m] | though | 22:52 |
| r0kk3rz | more secure than an android phone for sure | 23:11 |
| r0kk3rz | probably not as secure as an iphone, but still niche enough that the govt probably wont bother targetting it | 23:11 |
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