| *** xorAxAx__ is now known as xorAxAx | 08:52 | |
| x2s | Gnah. People are still answering: "a phone number is optional". NO IT IS NOT FOR ME | 12:01 |
|---|---|---|
| x2s | For some stupid reason the order form wants a phone number just from me but not from anyone else? | 12:02 |
| x2s | And this stupid reason cost me already not being able to be in the first batch except by providing a fake number | 12:02 |
| * piggz[m] uploaded an image: (298KiB) < https://matrix.org/oftc/media/v1/media/download/AfQWXLAVfwdI1NzFCySowVghcVaCWfGOtUDPTKMLsF8-w_LkgH2e3BIvN7x0srXBjJkmYyJk763haIE3EbJFQWRCebRuppLAAG1hdHJpeC5vcmcvalVJcE9KbXFDYkFWTGtqWERGeHpHRmZk > | 16:35 | |
| mal | ? | 16:45 |
| attah | I guess there's where the party is at. | 16:50 |
| piggz[m] | Mal: attah: new package by rinigus in action :) ... Angelfish showing googlemaps, and its geoclue2 | 17:01 |
| smyru | I was looking at this thread on f.sfos.org: Scrambled PIN layout like in GrapheneOS | 17:02 |
| smyru | And there is a patch for 5.0.0.72, but I am on XA2 and the latest version available to the device is 5.0.0.68, since the update was backed off. | 17:03 |
| smyru | Is there a way to force Patch Manager to show older versions? | 17:04 |
| Keto | smyru: .72 is available for XA2 | 17:17 |
| smyru | Weird, I have check few days ago, and the msg was I am at the newest version. | 17:20 |
| smyru | Keto: thank you | 17:40 |
| rinigus | it still needs some debugging, but here it is: https://github.com/rinigus/geoclue2to1 | 18:16 |
| rinigus | its a bridge providing geoclue2 dbus API and using geoclue1 for real data. available at chum and can be used for apps that need geoclue2. | 18:17 |
| rinigus | for example, angelfish running with some web site requesting location | 18:17 |
| rinigus | right now, if you enable it for a site, it will not let it go and location will stay active until you close angelfish. its either bug of the bridge or angelfish/webengine. will debug | 18:19 |
| x2s | great. No answer from Jolla, no reply von rainemak | 18:20 |
| x2s | they really need to work on their communication | 18:20 |
| piggz[m] | x2s: what about? | 18:26 |
| x2s | Having to enter a phone number to pre-order. I seem to be the only one for whom this is mandatory somehow | 18:28 |
| henk | seems to require a phone number here, too. though I haven’t bothered filling in the rest of the form … | 19:11 |
| rinigus | piggz: looks like its angelfish/webengine issue. will have to dig bit further and maybe fix it in angelfish | 19:28 |
| x2s | henk: I could enter a fake number. But that means there's a fake number in the database someone might try to call or send messages to | 19:42 |
| henk | ack | 19:43 |
| attah | x2s: The shipping of the actual order is going to require a number anyway, what is the problem? | 19:48 |
| x2s | why does it require a number? | 20:06 |
| x2s | I've received at least 20 packages this year, none required a phone number | 20:06 |
| attah | Anything fancier than regular mail (e.g. DHL ecommerce) pretty much always does. Sometimes they make good use of it, sometimes not. | 20:08 |
| attah | Heck, even regular mail orders here want a number. | 20:08 |
| x2s | Since I'm from Germany almost every package comes with DHL... no number | 20:09 |
| attah | I guess different places do it differently. I don't think i've ever had anything shipped internationally, including intra-EU, without having to give a number. I don't understand how this can be so odd to you. | 20:11 |
| x2s | Not even shipping in the EU ever needed a phone number for me | 20:14 |
| x2s | it's just not needed for anything | 20:14 |
| attah | DHL and PostNord for sure use it [here] for notifying you that the package is available to collect | 20:15 |
| attah | Same for FedEx and UPS | 20:15 |
| attah | Not all send email even if they have my address | 20:15 |
| x2s | I come from a time where you didn't get any notification that a package was sent. It either came or you got a card in your post box... | 20:17 |
| x2s | and it worked | 20:17 |
| attah | Sure. Not seldom a day or two after - and now with reduced deliveries, make that 3. | 20:17 |
| attah | I went to my go-to German electronics shop, Reichelt, they require a number. | 20:18 |
| x2s | No, they don't. I ordered last week from them, they don't have my number | 20:19 |
| attah | Red asterisk says they do | 20:19 |
| attah | Same at conrad | 20:19 |
| x2s | interesting. I've just looked that my account information there, no asterisk at the phone number | 20:20 |
| attah | Email : Please fill in this field | 20:20 |
| attah | Telephone number : Please fill in this field | 20:20 |
| attah | (when i try to proceed anyway) | 20:20 |
| tuplasuhveli[m] | If you don't want to share your personal phone number with different companies, you could just buy a cheap prepaid SIM card. It's a five euro investment that'll last a life time. | 20:22 |
| attah | I don't believe un-expiring prepaids are a thing, nor have been for a loong time | 20:24 |
| x2s | https://imgur.com/a/RrsjjHz that's what I see on the reichelt accounts page | 20:25 |
| attah | Sure; but try signing up again or checking out as guest | 20:25 |
| x2s | https://imgur.com/a/LV1rI8N phone number not red... | 20:27 |
| tuplasuhveli[m] | Attah, you might be right. I just checked that my provider offers 12 months of use nowadays. | 20:27 |
| x2s | unless I chose Finnland as destination... | 20:28 |
| x2s | *choose | 20:28 |
| attah | well, there you go - international generally requires number | 20:28 |
| x2s | so, what about people who don't have one? | 20:29 |
| x2s | or are in the middle of changing it? | 20:30 |
| x2s | Or change it during the order process? | 20:30 |
| attah | It is at least a rather fixable problem, unlike eID with tight system requirements | 20:30 |
| attah | If you indeed think it won't be used,. you are free to gamble | 20:30 |
| tuplasuhveli[m] | Don't know about Germany, but when you switch phone number in Finland, your provider will transfer calls and texts to your new number for a given time - usually 30 days. | 20:31 |
| attah | Don't blame me for companies doing whatever is convenient - at least this is generally convenient for both parties | 20:31 |
| x2s | Well, I still don't get it. Email is usually enough for shipping information | 20:35 |
| attah | Not everyone has email, everyone has a phone | 20:36 |
| x2s | does landline count? | 20:37 |
| attah | From where this developed from, yes it did | 20:37 |
| attah | Now there is no landline here | 20:37 |
| x2s | but if you have a smartphone you have email | 20:39 |
| x2s | and they want an email address as well for the account | 20:39 |
| attah | A surprising amount of people are not aware. And some people still do dumbphones as landline replacement and only phone. I know several. | 20:39 |
| attah | I'm in no way arguing it is perfect - just normal and functional. | 20:42 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!