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| chriadam | mvogt: quick question about pagestack push/pop transitions: when the transition occurs, is the frame grabbed (so the content of the pages is static during the transition)? | 06:22 |
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| mvogt | chriadam: no, the positions are animated, that's all | 06:31 |
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| Drac | Hi guys, where can I find information on building Sailfish on custom hardware? | 10:08 |
| sledges | Drac, for now Sailfish is only x86 | 10:09 |
| chriadam | you can build the Mer core and Nemo stuff on other archs | 10:09 |
| sledges | getting basic bring-up is trivial if you have an Intel device | 10:09 |
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| Drac | so intel atom would be the best bet? | 10:10 |
| sledges | any Intel really | 10:10 |
| sledges | as long as it's not i386 :D | 10:10 |
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| sledges | Drac, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish#Devices | 10:12 |
| Drac | I'm working on an robotics project and the pilot will be using multiple touch screen, joysticks, etc. to control it. Would Sailfish be the best option for this if I strip out the non essentials? | 10:13 |
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| sledges | sailfish is a UX, under the bonnet there is Nemo and Mer | 10:14 |
| sledges | (Nemo MiddleWare) | 10:14 |
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| sledges | will your robot have an LCD to display UI ? | 10:14 |
| t7 | "Sailfish is only x86" | 10:15 |
| t7 | wut | 10:15 |
| t7 | i thought jolla phone was arm | 10:15 |
| sledges | t7, *publicly available for the time being | 10:15 |
| t7 | why is arm build private ? | 10:15 |
| Drac | there are a few touch screen, one 17", 2 12" and several 10" ones. | 10:16 |
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| sledges | t7, I can't anymore answer this - a good | 10:20 |
| sledges | question! :D | 10:20 |
| sledges | Drac, sailfish is an OS for interactive devices, think mobile phones and the like | 10:20 |
| t7 | the reason i didnt like android is because the development process wasnt very open | 10:20 |
| t7 | seems this is the same... | 10:20 |
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| Drac | what would you recommend I use then? | 10:22 |
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| sledges | sailfish is appealing because of its looks (their qt-components called 'silica') | 10:23 |
| sledges | maybe it's possible to strip out the middleware and still get the ui | 10:23 |
| sledges | the slimmest solution for you Drac is to take mer image with qml-viewer to start with | 10:24 |
| sledges | (qmlviewer that is) | 10:24 |
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| sledges | but that won't give you silica look'n'feel | 10:27 |
| sledges | only a qt/qml (Nemo-ish) UI | 10:27 |
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| sledges | t7, jolla massively contributes to Nemo, which is 100% opensource and crossplatform | 10:31 |
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| Drac | I'll do some investigation on that, but what I know from QT it can be styled. | 10:32 |
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| t7 | sledges: still doesnt change the situation | 10:32 |
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| sledges | android has 100% opensource playground: AOSP and community ROMs (cyanogenmod etc) | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | well | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | there's still closed source fwiw | 10:34 |
| sledges | HA bits, they're closed source everywhere | 10:34 |
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| sledges | Sailfish being open on x86 means only app devs are happy. Porters to other devices arent.. | 10:35 |
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| sledges | (also including app developers who want it on an arm phone in their pocket; emulator isn't quite enough, don't you think so?..) | 10:37 |
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| sledges | so the question is, will the sailfish arm port ever be released? as I'm getting the impression it might not be.. | 10:38 |
| Yaniel | if jolla expects the community to port it to N9 they kind of have to, no? | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you guys weren't hardcore enough to get it running with qemu-dynamic-x86.. ;p | 10:39 |
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| sledges | the challenge is that sailfish stack will start depending on new kernel features | 10:41 |
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| sledges | and n9 open kernel is not maintained - community's kernel hackers will need to do lots here firstly | 10:42 |
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| sledges | but I'm sure as soon as this is announced, many of those will step up! | 10:42 |
| dm8tbr | well, the good thing is, that there is the kernel checker to see what's missing | 10:43 |
| sledges | dm8tbr, what about kernel API (CONFIG_ is there, but ways of talking to it have changed etc) | 10:43 |
| dm8tbr | also I think I saw someone mentioning wayland recently, that could be interesting too | 10:43 |
| sledges | at any rate, mer-kernel-checker will do come handy (pointing out how many man hours of forward-porting to come :D) | 10:44 |
| dm8tbr | AFAIU kernel never intentionally breaks userspace and should always be backwards compatible | 10:44 |
| sledges | that's what I wanted to hear :)) | 10:44 |
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| sledges | well, wayland is the only way to go for qt5 iiuc | 10:45 |
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| dm8tbr | yeah | 10:45 |
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| sledges | hmm what `mcompositor` alternative is sailfish using? | 10:45 |
| sledges | :D | 10:45 |
| sledges | or is it still the good old mcompositor? :) | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | you can see that in emulator | 10:46 |
| sledges | yes | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | it was mcompositor, too | 10:46 |
| sledges | was? | 10:46 |
| sledges | :) | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes, in the emulator published it was/is mcompositor | 10:47 |
| sledges | roger | 10:47 |
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| sledges | so if sailfish is to go qt5 (as nemo is doing), it needs to go wayland, as mcompositor won't do qt5; probably that's what's delaying sailfish arm release | 10:53 |
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| jake9xx | there might be another compositor? | 14:24 |
| jake9xx | who is resp. of systemd in mer project in general? | 14:24 |
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| Stskeeps | jake9xx: plundstr has done a lot of work | 14:30 |
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| jake9xx | Stskeeps: yeah, I am asking on his behalf actually. It seems the core configs of systemd are not up-to-date | 14:39 |
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| Stskeeps | jake9xx: patches welcome, it's a joint effort | 14:43 |
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| Stskeeps | (as in we dont have dedicated package maintainers) | 14:45 |
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| jake9xx | Stskeeps: ok, thing is that this has been going on for some time so chaning it needs a complete testing to pass | 14:59 |
| jake9xx | otherwise something else might break | 14:59 |
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| Stskeeps | jake9xx: yes, we do suitable tests when changes come in, many are caught in build already, others can be tested with localdep | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | happy to help patches and work along | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 15:03 |
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| jake9xx | sure, we'll put stuff in, let's see | 15:24 |
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