| lilltiger | I have sailfish on my N9 now, the app for android is installed by default it says, but how do i add an android app like spotify? | 00:00 |
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| Aard | lilltiger: android runtime won't work on n9 | 00:02 |
| lilltiger | ahh | 00:02 |
| lilltiger | an no native spotify app yet? | 00:02 |
| Aard | no | 00:02 |
| lilltiger | ok | 00:03 |
| lilltiger | not much use to me then :) | 00:03 |
| Aard | it should be pretty simple to do one, though, spotify libraries for arm exist ;) | 00:04 |
| lilltiger | yhee, shouldent one be able to run the harmattan spotify? | 00:04 |
| Aard | no, harmattan spotify is qt4/mtf | 00:04 |
| lilltiger | or maybe that requires that silly drm | 00:04 |
| lilltiger | ahh | 00:05 |
| lilltiger | sailfish is qt5? | 00:05 |
| w00t | yes | 00:05 |
| lilltiger | guess ill have to wait till it matures a bit | 00:06 |
| lilltiger | :) but looks promising, not as slick as harmattan yet thought | 00:06 |
| lilltiger | does it require more cpu then harmattan or is it just the n9 port that isent as fluid? | 00:08 |
| vgrade | lilltiger: take a look at porting something like meespot, I managed to get something going with 0 qml experiance | 00:09 |
| Eztran | Isn't MeeSpot being ported anyway? | 00:09 |
| vgrade | Eztran: I don't know | 00:09 |
| lilltiger | probly is, or qspot or some of them | 00:10 |
| Eztran | Ah. Think the last heard was http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1390458&postcount=439 | 00:11 |
| lilltiger | im just a bit unsure about getting a jolla phone or to get Galaxy S5 or what to get as my next phone, the N9 is pretty dead unfortunally | 00:11 |
| lilltiger | Eztran: well sound is overrated for a app like spotify =D | 00:12 |
| Eztran | Yeah, sure that won't make any different, right? :) | 00:12 |
| lilltiger | i just look at the pretty pictures | 00:13 |
| Eztran | So, looks like a native Spotify for Sailfish is waiting on a device to ship, anyway. | 00:13 |
| lilltiger | just hope it will sell better then the Windowz phones ;D | 00:17 |
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| lilltiger | well good night | 00:26 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 06:27 |
| tortoisedoc | seems emailclient is not happy with just public key of pem cert.. | 06:28 |
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| zuh | Should there be a delay between approving apps and seeing them in store? I got an app approved yesterday and no trace of it in store... | 06:47 |
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| Jonni | zuh: yes there is delay, there is still some manual steps that harbour staff needs to do before they appear in store. | 07:06 |
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| zuh | Jonni: ok, then I won't approach care@ just yet about it. Thanks :) | 07:15 |
| smokex | I so want to negate the need for an android app compatibility layer | 07:19 |
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| Stskeeps | zuh: developer-care | 07:44 |
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| tomyri | what is the command to install rpm on device? | 07:47 |
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| special | pkcon install-local | 07:49 |
| tortoisedoc | tomyri, special : I have used rpm -i | 07:49 |
| special | tortoisedoc: avoid using rpm directly, it gets dangerous. | 07:50 |
| tortoisedoc | special : thanks for the hint | 07:50 |
| tomyri | special: thanks | 07:50 |
| special | you can end up with multiple versions of the same package installed, and it can confuse the higher-level package managers | 07:50 |
| special | if pkcon doesn't suffice, you can use zypper | 07:50 |
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| zuh | Stskeeps: Yes, meant that one of course :) | 07:58 |
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| * zuh wants to stab pkcon for its status indication | 07:59 | |
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| zuh | eg. for "pkcon search name not-there" gives four(!) fancy progressbars, but nothing to tell you that it didn't find anything except the lack of results | 08:00 |
| special | maybe Aard or thp would disapprove, but other than systemwide upgrades I just use zypper :p | 08:01 |
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| tortoisedoc | pkcon is nice | 08:14 |
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| tortoisedoc | it is such a utility which is supposed to know what it is doing :P | 08:15 |
| tortoisedoc | so no need for logging :D | 08:15 |
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| karip | Hi! I have a stupid question. I have built an rpm package. How do I install in on a real Jolla device? (I have one :) | 08:26 |
| karip | The rpm is already on the real device. | 08:26 |
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| cybette | karip: pkcon install-local file.rpm | 08:28 |
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| fk_lx | what is the proper way to embed a link in label, I tried the stuff with puting <a href="..."></a> and onLinkActivated:, but I get an ugly looking link | 09:05 |
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| fk_lx | I mean the link doesn't look like from the theme | 09:05 |
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| karip | fk_lx: this is one way to fix it: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-November/001110.html | 09:12 |
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| fk_lx | ah, ok, that seems to be what I was looking for | 09:14 |
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| fk_lx | now I don't have a device, but I assume onLinkActivated: Qt.openUrlExternally("https://some.url/") will launch default browser on Sailfish right? | 09:24 |
| veskuh | fk_lx, yes | 09:24 |
| fk_lx | veskuh: ok, thanks | 09:25 |
| fk_lx | another question, how can I add my open source app for Sailfish here: https://github.com/sailfishapps and become a member there? who to ask about that? | 09:26 |
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| zuh | fk_lx: The members section probably has suitable candidates for asking | 09:29 |
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| Aard | special: I do disapprove :p | 09:30 |
| fk_lx | zuh: thanks | 09:38 |
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| fk_lx | mattaustin: can you help with that? | 09:38 |
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| tomyri | am I allowed to install translation files unfer /usr/share/translations? | 09:54 |
| dcthang | why not | 09:58 |
| tomyri | i mean does harbour allow that | 09:58 |
| tomyri | ok, in FAQ they say "/usr/share/$NAME/* <- anything else goes here" (than icon, executable binary or desktop file) | 10:00 |
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| lbt | tomyri: all installtime files go there | 10:02 |
| lbt | but that's not writeable by your app | 10:03 |
| lbt | use: $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/$NAME and $XDG_DATA_NOME/$NAME | 10:03 |
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| tomyri | ok, thanks | 10:09 |
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| locusf | what is the easiest way to save a QML ListModel to a database or a file? | 10:43 |
| locusf | or do I need to create a custom one and then use c++ to save/load it? | 10:44 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: do you want to load from or save ? | 10:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | looks strange to save | 10:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | is it because you have a modifiable listmodel ? | 10:50 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: yes | 10:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: I would guess: write a C++ helper "Saver" class and parse the model with JS, that calls methods in "Saver" | 10:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then "Saver" formatts someting and saves it | 10:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if you reimplement your model, you will need to add methods to add remove etc. painful | 10:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | while Listmodel manipulation is easy from JS | 10:51 |
| locusf | yeah | 10:52 |
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| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: what about loading? | 11:00 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: use the same kind of object | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | emit signals | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | use js to listen to them and populate an empty model | 11:00 |
| locusf | ah yes | 11:01 |
| locusf | I always forget about the signal/slot stuff :p | 11:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | come on | 11:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you are nemo dev :D | 11:01 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: thanks for the help, I suck at Qt | 11:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I don't think so :) | 11:02 |
| hoelzro | has anyone outside of Finland gotten their phone yet? I'm not sure if I should be expecting an email with shipping progress or what | 11:04 |
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| locusf | hmm now my app won't start, sigh | 11:21 |
| locusf | I already had plans on using a simple JSON document for the storage of the items in the shopping list | 11:22 |
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| locusf | I also still haven't gotten the answer to the question of the transparent cover which shows the application as is :) | 11:35 |
| locusf | but ok I'll still wait | 11:35 |
| veskuh | locusf, for showing window instead of cover just define cover: undefined in your ApplicationWindow | 11:43 |
| locusf | veskuh: ok, thanks :) | 11:43 |
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| veskuh | locusf, obviously we would prefer nice covers, but sometimes it does not make as much sense | 11:44 |
| locusf | veskuh: yep, I got one in bluewhale but thats just for syncing so I kept the cover blue | 11:45 |
| locusf | for my couple of other apps I'd like to see the application as the cover as I can't think of any actions | 11:45 |
| zutto | has anyone expirimented with any screen reading software yet? | 11:45 |
| Pnuu | has anyone else noticed that clock alarm is the same as the calendar alarm? | 11:46 |
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| Pnuu | although there are different settings for both | 11:46 |
| Pnuu | to further explain, if I set my prefered wake-up sound for the clock alarms, the same as played when there's a calendar alert | 11:47 |
| Pnuu | is played | 11:48 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Anyone have info on using QtSystemInfo inside an app? | 12:02 |
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| Hurrian | Question - does Sailfish still use MAFW? | 12:46 |
| phaeron | afaik no | 12:48 |
| Hurrian | Yay! Does the media app feature gapless playback yet? | 12:49 |
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| MSameer | Hurrian: no and no :/ | 12:55 |
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| Hurrian | aww man | 12:56 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: grilo is used for media player | 12:56 |
| Hurrian | could've fixed a ~6 year old bug... | 12:56 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: with qml bindings built on top of grilo (qtgrilo) in nemo github | 12:56 |
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| Hurrian | ah. | 12:57 |
| Hurrian | btw, MSameer, saw your omap3camd stuff - great work! | 12:58 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: thanks :) | 12:58 |
| MSameer | hope it'd benefit somebody :) | 12:59 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: BTW if you are interested in bringing up camera for sailfish on harmattan then I can give you some tips. I can't promise to do the work myself for various reasons but I know or I think I know what's needed fpr N9 | 13:02 |
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| Hurrian | MSameer: won't it need to be rewritten for both a new gstreamer and Wayland? | 13:03 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: jolla camera will not work basically | 13:03 |
| MSameer | but we can copy the gstreamer sink from harmattana and patch qtmultimedia | 13:03 |
| MSameer | and hopefully we will have a complete pipeline | 13:04 |
| MSameer | we will need to put some qml ui on top | 13:04 |
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| Hurrian | well, that sounds better than rewriting the black box that is the camera control library ;) | 13:04 |
| MSameer | it's there already along with the gstreamer bits in harmattan | 13:04 |
| MSameer | we just copy what we want | 13:05 |
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| MSameer | i can flash one of my n9s and try to tinker with it but i don't have much time really | 13:05 |
| MSameer | i don't yet know which kernel sailfish on n9 uses | 13:05 |
| Hurrian | Sounds like something nice to experiment with when I have my christmas break. | 13:05 |
| MSameer | :) | 13:05 |
| Hurrian | MSameer: Sailfish on N9 uses whatever Nemo uses ;) | 13:06 |
| MSameer | maybe me too when i go on vacation soon :D | 13:06 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: that should hopefully work then | 13:06 |
| Hurrian | so, the breakage isn't because of Wayland? | 13:06 |
| MSameer | no | 13:12 |
| MSameer | actually, the sink used by harmattan has x11 bits | 13:13 |
| MSameer | we might need to rewrite that :/ | 13:13 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: breakaga is also because harmattan used v4l2 but sailsish uses android cmera hal | 13:13 |
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| Hurrian | Ah. Yep, we're going to have to write a custom UI for the camera, and hope it's API-compatible with the stock one. | 13:14 |
| Hurrian | Thankfully, we just have to deal with maybe an EGL surface in wayland instead of one bajillion layers of X back in Harmattan. | 13:16 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: stock one is built on qtmultimedia | 13:16 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: or you can consider using camera+ :p | 13:16 |
| Hurrian | MSameer: the fcam/pcam drivers "just dump raw OMAP ISP to DSS" approach? :P | 13:17 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: that won't work | 13:17 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: we have 2 options: bypass the android hal and deal with drivers directly or build on top of qtmultimedia like jolla does | 13:18 |
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| MSameer | and then we just fix the qtmultimedia and it should work | 13:19 |
| Hurrian | MSameer: it's something to consider with regard to how the entire hardware enablement of Sailfish is done on N9/50 | 13:19 |
| Hurrian | the final device, and presumably devices that come after are built on libhybris | 13:19 |
| MSameer | there is no android hal for n9. i need more coffee :p | 13:19 |
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| Hurrian | which means incorporating a lot of Android stuff ;) | 13:19 |
| Hurrian | MSameer: e-yes very basic OMAP3 hal for Nitdroid N9 | 13:20 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: the jolla phone currently in the market is using libhybris. Future? I cannot comment yet | 13:20 |
| Hurrian | ah. | 13:20 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: how deep is your knowledge ? | 13:21 |
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| Hurrian | the biggest project I've set myself on is writing small loops on Arduinos. | 13:21 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: droidcamsrc is the camera source and it pushes forward android native buffers | 13:21 |
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| MSameer | Hurrian: good because i don't even know what Arduinos is :D | 13:22 |
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| Hurrian | MSameer: so what you're saying is, android camera HAL pushes frames in SurfaceFlinger format, and Jolla libs deal with using them? | 13:23 |
| Hurrian | if you put it like that, then I think it'd be preferable to simply go with the "bypass" option | 13:24 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: we just get the native android buffer as it is from camera and we render it by creating an EGLImage from that and binding it to a texture | 13:24 |
| MSameer | we don't have surface flinger but we use android gl directly | 13:24 |
| Hurrian | ah. | 13:25 |
| Hurrian | still trying to get my head around how the Hybris hardware adaptation works ;) | 13:25 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: but N9 is different because you get raw data and nokia created a set of extensions to allow rendering them | 13:25 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: libhybris is more or less a dlopen() | 13:25 |
| MSameer | if you have used dlopen then you think about it like that | 13:26 |
| Hurrian | what exactly sits on top of libhybris? IIRC ubuntu touch uses it for graphics, but I get the feeling there's more that requires it on the Jolla | 13:26 |
| MSameer | Hurrian: it depends on the subsystem but everything sits on top of libhybris | 13:27 |
| MSameer | gfx, audio, camera, ... | 13:27 |
| zuh | sensors | 13:28 |
| zuh | or is it? | 13:28 |
| MSameer | i think so | 13:28 |
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| Hurrian | sorry, power outage | 13:30 |
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| Frye | Checking for unpackaged file(s): /usr/lib/rpm/check-files /home/deploy/installroot | 13:44 |
| Frye | Project ERROR: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Timeout waiting for reply from server. | 13:44 |
| Frye | 15:44:20: The process "/Users/samuli/.config/SailfishAlpha2/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-armv7hl/rpm" exited with code 1. | 13:44 |
| Frye | Any idea what's going on. This setup worked fine earlier | 13:45 |
| Frye | restart of the virtual machine does not work. | 13:46 |
| Frye | However the vm built i486 binaries just fine | 13:46 |
| Frye | From preferences test connection succeeds | 13:47 |
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| cos- | could someone with the device test my app http://siilihai.com/media/sailfish-builds/siilihai-mobile-latest.armv7hl.rpm | 14:49 |
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| cos- | run it from terminal, swipe it to background, close it and note the last lines of output. | 14:49 |
| cos- | last line should be "Halt ok" if all went well | 14:51 |
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| simo849 | Hi all, newbie here with a location related question. Trying to connect BT GPS receiver with the phone. | 14:51 |
| Yaniel | what was this app again? | 14:51 |
| Yaniel | simo849: why? | 14:51 |
| cos- | Yaniel: a web forum reader | 14:52 |
| simo849 | testing with location data source | 14:52 |
| Yaniel | simo849: the phone has an internal GPS/GLONASS receiver? | 14:52 |
| cos- | looks like there is a bug in sdk which prevents it from closing correctly | 14:52 |
| simo849 | yep, it has, and it's an ok one too. However, designing for external devices. | 14:53 |
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| Yaniel | well, IIRC there was some stuff about bluez being updated to a newer version soon(tm) | 14:54 |
| simo849 | link? | 14:54 |
| Yaniel | it was here on IRC, don't remember when exactly | 14:55 |
| Yaniel | Stskeeps: were you involved? | 14:55 |
| simo849 | ok, nothing about that in the github then? | 14:56 |
| Yaniel | dunno, it was just something about them wanting to switch to a newer version once package x is stable enough | 14:57 |
| simo849 | doesn't hlp then... In android terminal, there was this enable-mock-location. Any similar in jolla terminal? | 14:59 |
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| Anduck | hmm | 15:07 |
| Anduck | any1 else had problems installing sailfish sdk? | 15:07 |
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| Anduck | i installed it but i can't see "Sailfish OS" as an option in the "new project" menu | 15:07 |
| Anduck | wat to do | 15:08 |
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| fk_lx | who can push my app to sailfishapps on github and add me to that organization? | 15:15 |
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| raa70 | finally got jolla-fileman installed | 15:16 |
| raa70 | tried it over and over again... after devel-su | 15:16 |
| piee | find. them | 15:16 |
| Yaniel | Anduck: any error messages during installing etc? | 15:21 |
| Anduck | noper | 15:22 |
| Anduck | no error messages.. | 15:22 |
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| kaltsi | Anduck: what host environment you have win/mac/linux? | 15:24 |
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| kaltsi | Anduck: what is the qtcreator version you have.. Help/about qtcreator (built on date, or from revision) | 15:25 |
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| Anduck | kaltsi: windows | 15:29 |
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| Anduck | qt creator 2.8.1 | 15:29 |
| Anduck | win 7 pro btw | 15:29 |
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| kaltsi | what's the build date | 15:30 |
| Anduck | downloaded SailfishOSSDK-Alpha-1310-Qt5-windows-offline | 15:30 |
| Anduck | oct 21 at 13:33:48 | 15:30 |
| kaltsi | have you rebooted windows after running the installer? | 15:30 |
| kaltsi | I haven't heard of this particular problem before, but reboot sometimes helps in curious problem cases | 15:33 |
| simo849 | Which is a better channel to ask jolla terminal related questions, this or #jollamobile or #jolla? | 15:33 |
| Yaniel | I don't think #jolla is used at all? | 15:34 |
| Anduck | yes rebooted | 15:35 |
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| Anduck | testing reinstalling once again | 15:39 |
| kaltsi | Anduck: is your username in windows something that might have whitespace or non-ascii characters? | 15:39 |
| Anduck | hmmm | 15:40 |
| Anduck | nope | 15:40 |
| kaltsi | virtualbox version shouldn't be a problem at this point yet, but which one did you install? | 15:40 |
| Anduck | virtualbox version 4.3.4 r91027 | 15:41 |
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| piee | vbox had probelm？ | 15:44 |
| Anduck | no | 15:45 |
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| kaltsi | Anduck: I'm out of ideas.. last thing, what is your install path for the sdk? | 15:45 |
| Anduck | ill try removing vbox and sdk now | 15:46 |
| Anduck | and reinstall | 15:46 |
| Anduck | its the default C:\SailfishOS | 15:46 |
| kaltsi | no need to remove vbox | 15:46 |
| kaltsi | Anduck: yeah.. everything should be fine.. can't guess why it wouldn't work | 15:47 |
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| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: I was lazy and implented the whole thing in QSQLite | 15:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: hehe | 15:52 |
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| Anduck | still not working | 15:59 |
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| Anduck | weird | 15:59 |
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| kaltsi | have you tried installing it before to a different location? | 16:00 |
| Anduck | nope | 16:00 |
| Anduck | ill try different location btw | 16:00 |
| kaltsi | then you should clean your appdata folder after uninstall | 16:00 |
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| kaltsi | it's here C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\SailfishAlpha2 | 16:01 |
| kaltsi | when you uninstall it doesn't clean that place | 16:01 |
| Anduck | yay! | 16:01 |
| Anduck | deleted that directory and started sdk | 16:01 |
| Anduck | works now | 16:01 |
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| Anduck | great, thanks | 16:02 |
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| kaltsi | ok! | 16:04 |
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| M4rtinK | lbt: I'm lately getting this with some of my build on the Sailfish target: | 17:46 |
| M4rtinK | 400 remote error: connect to releases.jolla.com 443 Connection refused | 17:46 |
| M4rtinK | example of such a build: https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=gobject-introspection&project=home%3AMartinK%3Asailfish&repository=sailfishos_1.0.0.5_latest_armv7hl | 17:47 |
| lbt | hmm | 17:47 |
| lbt | well, update to 1.0.1.10 | 17:47 |
| lbt | I do hope 1.0.0.5 is still there though | 17:47 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: same thing: https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=gobject-introspection&project=home%3AMartinK%3Asailfish&repository=sailfishos_1.0.1.10_latest_armv7hl | 17:48 |
| lbt | *sigh* | 17:49 |
| M4rtinK | seems to happen +- at random, when I've added the 1.0.1.10 target, some packages built fine, but others failed like this | 17:49 |
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| M4rtinK | also, looks like it is not just my project being affected: https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=openal&project=home%3Amaidis&repository=sailfishos_1.0.1.10_latest_armv7hl | 17:50 |
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| M4rtinK | just let me know if there is any way I can help resolving this :) | 17:52 |
| lbt | can you force a rebuild | 17:53 |
| M4rtinK | I can try that | 17:54 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, is there a button for that in the web UI or is it osc only ? | 17:54 |
| lbt | used to be ... we'll be doing an OBS upgrade "RSN" | 17:54 |
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| Frye | Is there a difference in battery usage for small bit of logic implemented with js or c++? | 17:56 |
| lbt | yes | 17:56 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: yeah, I've noticed the OpenSuse OBS instance seem to run a different version | 17:56 |
| lbt | Frye: can you measure it ... unlikely in most cases | 17:57 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: but even the current one is much slicker than COBS one | 17:57 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: and FAST! :) | 17:57 |
| lbt | M4rtinK: we've not had time to upgrade recently - we have too much patching | 17:57 |
| lbt | yeah, I did some optimising work ages ago | 17:57 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: I have no issues with the current version as long as it builds stuff :) | 17:57 |
| M4rtinK | Frye: one thing to watch might be context switches & c++/js type conversions | 17:58 |
| lbt | M4rtinK: did you trigger yet? not seen a 400 | 17:58 |
| M4rtinK | Frye: so in some cases leving it in JS might actuall more efficient | 17:58 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: had to figure out the command, did it just now | 17:59 |
| M4rtinK | for home:MartinK:sailfish gobject-introspection | 17:59 |
| lbt | 400 again | 17:59 |
| M4rtinK | I'll try to rebuild one that built successfully a few times | 18:00 |
| M4rtinK | if it is a race or package specific thing | 18:00 |
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| M4rtinK | hmm, looks like some dort of race condition | 18:02 |
| M4rtinK | *sort | 18:02 |
| M4rtinK | I've triggered rebuild for libwebp | 18:02 |
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| lbt | do gobject one again | 18:03 |
| M4rtinK | failed with 404 on 0.1.10 but building fine on 0.0.5 | 18:03 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: OK | 18:03 |
| lbt | just try several times | 18:04 |
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| M4rtinK | ok, will do every time it fail | 18:04 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, now 1.10 failed right away with 404 | 18:05 |
| M4rtinK | but 0.5 is stuck in "building" without any output so far | 18:05 |
| M4rtinK | and now it failed with: "504 remote error: remote error Gateway Timeout" | 18:06 |
| lbt | basically keep hammering at it ... stupid CDN seems to be having issues | 18:06 |
| M4rtinK | OK :) | 18:06 |
| lbt | it seems to be failing on different packages | 18:06 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, I'm triggering it now left and right | 18:08 |
| M4rtinK | strange | 18:10 |
| M4rtinK | 1.10 seems to fail almost immediately, followed by 0.5 some time later | 18:10 |
| M4rtinK | but still some packages are being built regardless | 18:11 |
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| lbt | building now | 18:16 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, seem so | 18:17 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: good job ! :) | 18:17 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: thanks a lot :) | 18:17 |
| lbt | np ... reported it back too | 18:18 |
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| M4rtinK | I'm glad I can help :) | 18:18 |
| M4rtinK | ok then, back to building various obscure packages for Sailfish :) | 18:19 |
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| tanghus | M4rtinK: syncevolution would be great to have in lack of Cal/CardDAV :) | 18:22 |
| M4rtinK | tanghus: well, I can try to grab it from OpenSuse and see if it builds :) | 18:26 |
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| tanghus | M4rtinK: that would be sweet :) It's need libneon (I think) to enable DAV | 18:27 |
| tanghus | M4rtinK: ovek(?) at TMO built it for Harmattan | 18:28 |
| M4rtinK | while I primarily want to build stuff for my applications (so mainly Python & navigation things) | 18:28 |
| M4rtinK | I don't mind building other packages others might find useful | 18:28 |
| tanghus | Of course. I just grabbed the chance once I saw it ;) | 18:29 |
| M4rtinK | that's also the nice thing about OBS - you can easily grab packages from other project, inspect changes, submit changes, etc. :) | 18:30 |
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| tanghus | Yeah, just had a quick look, but I'd have to learn some stuff beforehand I could see. | 18:31 |
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| M4rtinK | I think we need to bring rzr & Aapo on board :) | 18:34 |
| M4rtinK | they are quite a master packages | 18:35 |
| M4rtinK | *packagers | 18:35 |
| lbt | I'd like to see usage-driven packaging though ... not 'package the world' :) | 18:37 |
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| Yaniel | is mosh in some official or semi-official repo yet? | 18:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Yaniel: i was waiting for somebody to say that | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:41 |
| Yaniel | well I know it works and been wanting to try it out for a while | 18:41 |
| Yaniel | but it is much nicer to be able to just install from the main repos than hunting down individual packages | 18:42 |
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| M4rtinK | tanghus: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=syncevolution&project=home%3AMartinK%3Asailfish# | 18:47 |
| M4rtinK | tanghus: seems to have quite a bit of missing deps, including gtk2 | 18:47 |
| tanghus | M4rtinK: Jeez. wft does it use that for? Well, thanks for trying :) | 18:48 |
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| M4rtinK | tanghus: could that it might be cut down :) | 18:52 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, mosh now building :) | 18:52 |
| tanghus | M4rtinK: I wonder if this one is stripped for those dependencies http://my-meego.com/software/applications.php?name=SyncEvolution&fldAuto=1819&faq=29 | 18:52 |
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| Stskeeps | please don't bring gtk to sailfish, it makes my efforts of totally stripping it out of the stack (which is a lot harder than it looks!) worthless :P | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 18:53 |
| tanghus | Stskeeps: no gtk on my PCs or phones ;) | 18:53 |
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| M4rtinK | I can't call anything other than running GTK2 over XWayland an achievement :) | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | pfft, gtk3 and wayland | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:55 |
| M4rtinK | can hardly get less efficient :) | 18:55 |
| M4rtinK | that too of course :) | 18:55 |
| M4rtinK | anyway, would be good to get gobject-introspection running | 18:56 |
| M4rtinK | can be quite useful for a lots of stuff | 18:56 |
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| M4rtinK | hohoho: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/MartinK:/sailfish/sailfishos_1.0.1.10_latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/mosh-1.2.4-1.4.1.armv7hl.rpm | 18:57 |
| M4rtinK | anybody wanting to try it ? :) | 18:58 |
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| zuh | M4rtinK: Where do I find perl-IO-Tty? | 19:08 |
| M4rtinK | zuh: guess I have to build it | 19:11 |
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| M4rtinK | zuh: you might also try to force it - no idea how critical dependency is it | 19:11 |
| zuh | hmm, I'll try | 19:11 |
| piggz | argh, the app template in the sdk completely changed between a1 and a2 ... a2 is much simpler | 19:12 |
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| zuh | meh, guess I don't force it with pkcon... again zypper +1 - pkcon 0 | 19:13 |
| zuh | ;) | 19:13 |
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| M4rtinK | well, pkcon has some sort of queue feature ? | 19:15 |
| M4rtinK | so that more instances can be running without killing each other | 19:15 |
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| jake9xx | M4rtinK: tinyurl'd it: http://tinyurl.com/okfzel4 | 19:16 |
| jake9xx | piggz: a3 is even simplier - and does the right things for harbour | 19:17 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: thanks ! :) | 19:17 |
| piggz | jake9xx: there is an a3?? | 19:17 |
| zuh | M4rtinK: sent from your mosh :) | 19:17 |
| M4rtinK | so it does work ? :D | 19:17 |
| M4rtinK | zuh: NICE ! :) | 19:17 |
| zuh | inside fingerterm | 19:17 |
| zuh | so yeah, looks good | 19:17 |
| M4rtinK | so I guess I'll just drop that Perl dependency for now | 19:18 |
| jake9xx | piggz: soon | 19:18 |
| jake9xx | piggz: I mean _Real_ soon | 19:18 |
| piggz | jake9xx: tonight? | 19:18 |
| piggz | you cant release it tongith...im in the iddle of fixing up y android port! :) | 19:19 |
| jake9xx | piggz: we cannot do it tonight, QA is not fully done | 19:20 |
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| zuh | M4rtinK: Looking at the package, all I see is two binaries and a perl script that doesn't seem to want IO:Tty. Maybe it's indeed completely stale dep or only used in some tool not packaged? | 19:26 |
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| M4rtinK | zuh: yeah, the deps are often completely crazy | 19:31 |
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| M4rtinK | you can easily see a transitive depedency on texlive (~1GB) for some docs packages | 19:33 |
| M4rtinK | ok, this one should be without that dependency: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/MartinK:/sailfish/sailfishos_1.0.1.10_latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/mosh-1.2.4-1.9.1.armv7hl.rpm | 19:34 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, looks like the OBS is adding the 3 numbers after the last - automatically | 19:34 |
| M4rtinK | and the middle one (9 in this case) corresponds to revision of the source files | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | 1.CI_CNT.B_CNT | 19:35 |
| M4rtinK | not very good for URL persistence :) | 19:36 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, what is B_CNT ? | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | rebuild count | 19:37 |
| zuh | M4rtinK: pkcon installed it happily this time | 19:38 |
| M4rtinK | zuh: nice ! | 19:40 |
| M4rtinK | Twitter time ! :) | 19:40 |
| Pnuu | M4rtinK: works here, too! thanks! | 19:42 |
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| M4rtinK | Pnuu: nice! :) | 19:49 |
| M4rtinK | but it is mostly due to OBS magic | 19:49 |
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| piggz | jake9xx: what needs to be 'done right' for harbour? | 19:50 |
| M4rtinK | I've just literally copypaced the package from SuSe OBS & changed two lines in the specfile :) | 19:50 |
| jake9xx | template update for icon size, path etc.. | 19:50 |
| Nicd- | what's an a3? | 19:51 |
| jake9xx | alpha3 | 19:52 |
| jake9xx | I guess :) | 19:52 |
| jake9xx | we call it 1312 though | 19:52 |
| Frye | Hmm, is there a way to force pulldownmenu to be the topmost on screen? | 19:52 |
| Frye | z: does not seem to have effect for that. | 19:53 |
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| Frye | When my game board is drawn the pull down menu goes under the items on board. | 19:53 |
| Nicd- | jake9xx: new SDK? | 19:54 |
| jake9xx | Nicd-: yes | 19:54 |
| Nicd- | yaaaaaaay :) | 19:54 |
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| Frye | I can volunteer for dummy tester =) | 19:55 |
| Pnuu | I guess I know what to do during the winter holiday.. | 19:55 |
| jake9xx | with device deployment ;) | 19:55 |
| Frye | Nice | 19:55 |
| Frye | Very nice | 19:55 |
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| jake9xx | I'm now updating some docs part.. release note email is going to be a bit long... | 19:55 |
| Frye | =) | 19:56 |
| Nicd- | can't wait | 19:56 |
| Nicd- | my uptime app is nearly ready | 19:56 |
| Frye | Nicd-, want to test the game I'm trying to make? | 19:56 |
| Nicd- | in fact maybe I'll finish it now | 19:56 |
| Nicd- | Frye: sure | 19:56 |
| Frye | It's early alpha still :D | 19:57 |
| Frye | But all comments are welcome | 19:57 |
| Frye | And yes I know the pulldown menu goes under the game board :-( | 19:57 |
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| M4rtinK | btw, made a persistent URL for the mosh package: http://modrana.org/misc/sailfish/mosh-1.2.4-1.9.1.armv7hl.rpm | 20:00 |
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| altker128 | Hey all. How "easy" might it be to get Sailfish to run on a device that already runs Android? I have an S4 that I'd like to get Sailfish on one day | 20:24 |
| Jonni | altker128: most likely it will be about as easy as thaking CM10.2 into use in there. | 20:25 |
| Jonni | taking even | 20:25 |
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| Jonni | and if there is no CM avail for some target, then its going to be hard. | 20:26 |
| altker128 | Is Sailfish running on N4/N5? | 20:29 |
| AmbyR00 | tw | 20:29 |
| AmbyR00 | oops | 20:29 |
| AmbyR00 | I was totally in the wrong window. | 20:29 |
| Nicd- | altker128: sailfish hasn't been released yet so no | 20:30 |
| Nicd- | ooooh, my app seems to be working | 20:32 |
| Nicd- | it has fixed itself over time | 20:33 |
| Pnuu | genetic algorithms?-) | 20:34 |
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| Nicd- | it has gained sentience | 20:34 |
| Nicd- | btw, how do I create a settings dialog where you save by pulling right? | 20:35 |
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| Nicd- | like is the sailfish way | 20:35 |
| Yaniel | you mean pulling left | 20:35 |
| Nicd- | well whichever way you want to look at it | 20:35 |
| Yaniel | isn't that just a basic Dialog | 20:35 |
| Yaniel | with accept and cancel events or whatever | 20:35 |
| Nicd- | ok, thanks | 20:36 |
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| Frye | Nicd-, yeah it's Silica Dialog. | 20:49 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, already refactored my app | 20:53 |
| Nicd- | it seems to be quite ready now | 20:53 |
| Nicd- | at least functions nicely in the emulator | 20:53 |
| AmbyR00 | about that android app support... When an app, say a GPS navigation suite like OpenSatNav downloads maps, do they get stored somewhere permanently, or temporarily, and how do I get rid of them if I don't need the software anymore? | 20:56 |
| altker128 | Nicd-: Sure, I understand Sailfish OS hasn't been released. I meant, is the architecture such that it can leverage Linux-Android drivers ? | 20:57 |
| Nicd- | altker128: afaik yes, it can use android drivers (and indeed the jolla phone does) | 20:58 |
| altker128 | Very cool :) | 20:58 |
| faenil | altker128, yes, through libhybris, a very cool piece of software whose author is Mer project architect (and Jolla sailor) | 21:01 |
| faenil | i.e. Stskeeps :D | 21:01 |
| zuh | Some would say it's a dirty hack ;) | 21:01 |
| faenil | zuh, yes, the coolest :D | 21:03 |
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| Nicd- | if I want to make a public git repo of my app, do I put in the *.list files? (debuglinks.list, documentation.list etc) | 21:04 |
| altker128 | Ah yes, libhybris | 21:05 |
| altker128 | Do you cool Sailfish guys support CalDAV / CardDAV out of box? | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | unfortunately not yet :/ | 21:06 |
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| Nicd- | but it's coming | 21:07 |
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| Nicd- | https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/overview -- there it is, my first sailfish app :) | 21:17 |
| Nicd- | haven't edited desktop files or icons yet, gonna wait for the next sdk version | 21:17 |
| Yaniel | oh, bitbucket now supports git too? | 21:17 |
| Nicd- | yep | 21:18 |
| Nicd- | has done for a while now | 21:18 |
| Nicd- | also apparenly I have to rename the whole project to harbour-sailtime | 21:18 |
| Nicd- | what do I have to rename in addition to the binary? do I have to rename my desktop files and all? | 21:19 |
| Nicd- | apparently yes, way to ask questions before reading the faq | 21:20 |
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| tanghus | ny idea how to make the content of a Silica Dialog scrollable? I have exhausted my guesses :P | 21:22 |
| tanghus | ny = any ;) | 21:22 |
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| virtapoika_ | Hi | 21:26 |
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| virtapoika_ | Does somebody know something about using gps on sailfish? | 21:27 |
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| raa70 | it works | 21:28 |
| virtapoika_ | ? yeah | 21:28 |
| virtapoika_ | but where is the reference for that | 21:28 |
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| halosghost | hey folks | 21:37 |
| Yaniel | virtapoika_: hmm? qt location stuff? | 21:38 |
| virtapoika_ | Oh thanks :) | 21:38 |
| virtapoika_ | I was somewhere looking in the silica reference | 21:38 |
| halosghost | Are there any plans to allow for the packaging of the SDK so that *nix distro package managers can handle the installed files? | 21:39 |
| Yaniel | no silica-specific things in that area afaik | 21:39 |
| virtapoika_ | yeah | 21:39 |
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| halosghost | I want to work with the SDK, but I don't want to run an installer; I want to install it through a native package | 21:40 |
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| Yaniel | halosghost: I think there are plans to package it as a single qtc plugin or so | 21:41 |
| Yaniel | but I doubt that is going to actually happen anytime soon | 21:41 |
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| halosghost | Yaniel: ideally speaking, the SDK source would be published so I can write a PKGBUILD for the Arch Linux User Repository | 21:42 |
| halosghost | I sent an email to the contact address, and the response asked me to come ask about it here or the MLs | 21:43 |
| Yaniel | then you'll have to wait for someone who actually knows about this to show up | 21:43 |
| halosghost | haha | 21:44 |
| Yaniel | but the sdk in aur would be cool yes | 21:44 |
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| Yaniel | even better: in community | 21:44 |
| halosghost | That would be awesome | 21:44 |
| halosghost | but it'd need to go through the ALUR first (unless one of the TUs made it) | 21:44 |
| halosghost | I'd be happy to code it up and maintain it, but I need to be able to access the package files first | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | halosghost: the sdk includes non-open source bits, so that may cause problems, besides that, the SDK really installs most places :P | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | without difficulties | 21:45 |
| halosghost | Stskeeps: that's fine that it isn't OSS | 21:45 |
| halosghost | but, the package manager should be the only thing that manages files in system directories | 21:46 |
| halosghost | no third-party installer should | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | we install into $HOME somewhere, i believe | 21:46 |
| halosghost | no offense, but eww | 21:46 |
| Yaniel | $HOME/SailfishOS | 21:46 |
| halosghost | /opt/sailfish-sdk would be ideal, I think | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | halosghost: there's various good reasons for doing that | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:46 |
| halosghost | … I guess | 21:47 |
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| halosghost | So, there's no chance for a non-prepackaged version of the SDK which I can put together in a native fashion | 21:48 |
| halosghost | ? | 21:48 |
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| virtapoika_ | Only in the jolla's private cloud | 21:51 |
| halosghost | virtapoika_: really? It wouldn't require the open-sourcing of any of the closed-source bits | 21:52 |
| virtapoika_ | Offically it is not available | 21:53 |
| halosghost | bummer | 21:53 |
| halosghost | oh well | 21:53 |
| Nicd- | screenshots of my uptime app :) https://plus.google.com/+MikkoAhlroth/posts/H9D9FAdaYkU | 21:53 |
| halosghost | if that status ever changes, someone should let me know | 21:54 |
| Yaniel | maybe once it is out of alpha and beta | 21:54 |
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| virtapoika_ | but mayble you should try to ask here again when here is more traffic | 21:54 |
| halosghost | okay | 21:54 |
| halosghost | is there a time when traffic normally picks up? | 21:54 |
| virtapoika_ | Nicd: looks great! | 21:54 |
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| Yaniel | halosghost: daytime in finland :P | 21:55 |
| virtapoika_ | I'm not sure, but here its 23.55 | 21:55 |
| virtapoika_ | yeah in Finnland its 23.55 | 21:55 |
| halosghost | haha, alright | 21:55 |
| Nicd- | virtapoika_: thanks :) | 21:55 |
| Yaniel | Nicd-: in what order are the load averages? | 21:56 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: top is 1 minute, left is 5, right is 15 | 21:56 |
| Venemo | why is it that the harbour says that I my app has 0 downloads, while there are people who say they've downloaded it | 21:56 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: could be confusing maybe? | 21:57 |
| virtapoika_ | The server might be slow or has a bug | 21:57 |
| Yaniel | Nicd-: a bit | 21:57 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: just needed a compact format for the cover | 21:57 |
| Yaniel | but I don't remember the order of the command-line utility either | 21:57 |
| Yaniel | so don't ask me :D | 21:58 |
| Nicd- | the command line utility lists as 1, 5, 15 | 21:58 |
| virtapoika_ | Try to send email to jolla's dev | 21:58 |
| virtapoika_ | Oh god my spell checker is going crazy | 21:58 |
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| faenil | Venemo, I think harbour isn't synced at the moment, they were working on implementing that afair | 21:59 |
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| Venemo | faenil: that's too bad. 0 downloads is very depressing | 22:00 |
| faenil | Venemo, :) | 22:00 |
| Venemo | I mean, what's the point of my life if nobody downloads my app? | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: nothing! | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:02 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: yes, my thinking exactly | 22:02 |
| Venemo | so I had to go to nokia publish and look at the numbers there to compensate | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | if nobody downloads your app.. do you exist? | 22:03 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps +1 | 22:03 |
| Venemo | obviously I don't | 22:03 |
| raa70 | Puzzle Master 251 dloads and 17 thumbs | 22:03 |
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| Venemo | raa70: how can you tell? | 22:04 |
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| faenil | Venemo, it shows on device | 22:04 |
| faenil | it doesn't show on web | 22:04 |
| raa70 | looked the store on device | 22:04 |
| faenil | afaik | 22:04 |
| raa70 | might be 252 now as i loaded it | 22:05 |
| Venemo | aahh, thank you raa70 you gave my life purpose again :) | 22:05 |
| raa70 | well, trying to load... Waiting... | 22:05 |
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| Venemo | considering that there are only a few hundred jollas out there, my app's penetration is quite good | 22:05 |
| raa70 | probably around 3k | 22:06 |
| raa70 | ~amount of jolla app downloads | 22:06 |
| Eztran_ | So your app amounts to like 8% of all Harbour downloads? That's pretty awesome :) | 22:07 |
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| Venemo | thank you Eztran_ | 22:07 |
| Venemo | how many jollas are out there actually? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | more than 450 | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:08 |
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| raa70 | I meant single apps like calendar, clock and maps have 3k each | 22:08 |
| Venemo | so we could say that there are a few thousand jollas out there already? | 22:08 |
| Eztran | Ah, 'kay. Can still pull a pretty nice statistic out of that, though. | 22:08 |
| Venemo | well, if my app is on 8% of all jollas, that's not bad either | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: or people factory reset their devices a insane lot | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:09 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: does the download counter count repeated downloads from the same person separately, | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | store is one area i have absolutely no clue about | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:10 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: do you know who on this channel might have a clue? | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | i don't see any store guys atm | 22:11 |
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| raa70 | Venemo: y u no pulley menu? | 22:12 |
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| Venemo | raa70: it would collide with the gestures in the game | 22:13 |
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| crysaz | so this would be the point, when you could just copy some killer app from another platform | 22:13 |
| Venemo | raa70: same goes for why swiping is disabled when you are playing (it is re-enabled when you go to the menu) -> it would mess up the UX of the game | 22:13 |
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| crysaz | like flashlite | 22:13 |
| raa70 | there could be pulley menu in the selection screen, instead of boring menu button | 22:14 |
| Venemo | raa70: that's true, maybe I'll fix it in a future release :) | 22:14 |
| raa70 | and maybe long single press without moving could activate the pulley during the game? | 22:17 |
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| Venemo | raa70: nice idea | 22:18 |
| raa70 | and my name in the credits ofc | 22:18 |
| Venemo | raa70: your name? | 22:19 |
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| raa70 | for giving meaning to your life and being of great assistance during the development | 22:21 |
| Venemo | heh :) | 22:22 |
| altker128 | How well does the Android-compatability layer in Sailfish work (as a means to run Android apps)? | 22:24 |
| Aard | altker128: quite well. obviously some stuff does not work, and google play is not officially supported (but can be made working) | 22:24 |
| raa70 | fart app works, gmaps works, whatsapp works, finnish online banking softwares work | 22:25 |
| altker128 | Maybe a more intelligent quesiton would have been, what are the realistic limitations? | 22:25 |
| Aard | I have lot's of games which work | 22:25 |
| Aard | plus I nowadays buy my vr tickets with the android app | 22:25 |
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| * lpotter wonders if a fart ambience package is allowed | 22:27 | |
| faenil | lpotter, burp ambiance | 22:28 |
| altker128 | I'm interested in using GPS apps, but many of those do some kind of authentication, etc | 22:28 |
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| Aard | altker128: gps should mostly works, there are some limits which will be fixed in the next update. camera is not working right now, but we're working on a fix as well. same for sms-sending | 22:30 |
| altker128 | Cool. Last question, is there any kind of security framework for SailfishOS like Android's AFWall+ (i.e. DroidWall) and XPrivacy? | 22:31 |
| Aard | not yet | 22:32 |
| Aard | though will be possible to push that later via updates. | 22:32 |
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| virtapoika_ | Do you guys know any good qml+c++ tutorials because I'm still newbie and need some practice with qt before moving to Sailfish. | 22:43 |
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| smokex | https://github.com/hardcodes/developwithsailfishos | 22:45 |
| smokex | there are also getting started tutorials built in to Qt Creator | 22:47 |
| smokex | look on the welcome screen | 22:47 |
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| smokex | Any of the Qt Quick tutorials would be useful in regards to sailfish | 22:49 |
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| ln- | looks like an interesting book, but it seems to be using terribly many pages on trivial things like screenshots of standard installers. | 22:55 |
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| vgrade | http://qmlbook.org/ | 23:24 |
| vgrade | oh he's gone | 23:24 |
| vgrade | interesting book anyway | 23:24 |
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| smokex | thanks vgrade, bookmarked | 23:34 |
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