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| Maria22 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 00:04 |
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| Rachel21 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 02:05 |
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| Tiffany27 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 06:04 |
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| kimmoli | For virtapoika and about qml/c++ integration, you can try my Qt project wizard with simple example https://github.com/kimmoli/Sailfish-qtcreator-wizard It goes to \SailfishOS\share\qtcreator\templates\wizards (at least it is this under windows) | 07:31 |
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| m4g0g | hello | 08:24 |
| m4g0g | can I use one model for 2 views? | 08:24 |
| makedin | Sure | 08:25 |
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| m4g0g | How I can turn diplay on in emulator if i accidently turn it off? | 08:27 |
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| stephg | right-ctl H is it? | 08:37 |
| stephg | I can't remember | 08:37 |
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| m4g0g | stephg: YES!!Thx,\ | 08:56 |
| m4g0g | gyus/ | 08:56 |
| m4g0g | I don't undersand how to create coverPage according to https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-application-pitfalls.html#lack-of-proper-active-cover | 08:56 |
| suy | m4g0g: what's the problem exactly? | 08:57 |
| m4g0g | I got this: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/24/plasma-desktopPR3535.png | 08:57 |
| m4g0g | How I should manage coveractionlist with silicaView to show one over other without covering | 08:58 |
| suy | m4g0g: layouts. For example, use a Column, and put the two inside the column. | 09:00 |
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| suy | Mmm, no, I wasn't getting you properly. | 09:02 |
| suy | The CoverActionList only can contain 2 CoverAction, and they appear side by side. | 09:02 |
| m4g0g | suy: it | 09:02 |
| m4g0g | it's not important | 09:03 |
| m4g0g | column doesn't help because in this case my listview shows only one item | 09:03 |
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| suy | I don't follow you. The problem are the CoverAction(s) or the content of the Cover? | 09:04 |
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| m4g0g | the problem in cover layouts: SilicaListView (if I specify anchors.bottom: coverPage.bottom) cоvers actions list but I want to do as here: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-application-pitfalls.html#lack-of-proper-active-cover - listview doesn't cover actions list | 09:06 |
| m4g0g | If I don't specify bottom anchor for listview - my list view shows only one item | 09:06 |
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| suy | m4g0g: I haven't tried with a very big Cover, but have you tried like in the example? https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-cover.html#details anchors.centerIn: parent | 09:11 |
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| m4g0g | no. It doesn't help. May be I shouldn't use list view in coverpage? | 09:13 |
| suy | I've tried one app that has a list view (a task app), and if the list is too long, it appears below the CoverAction(s). Let me check the source | 09:14 |
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| suy | m4g0g: https://github.com/Armadill0/harbour-tasklist/blob/master/qml/cover/CoverPage.qml Here. This works well, even if hte list is too long to fit the screen. It just appears below the buttons. | 09:16 |
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| Tofe | suy: doesn't it help to simply use clip:true around your list ? It will decrease performance, but it is static enough, that should be fine | 09:22 |
| suy | Tofe: unsure, but that example doesn't even require that. You just make the cover fill the parent, and the layout works. | 09:27 |
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| m4g0g | is it possible to elide text but without showing ... | 09:40 |
| m4g0g | ? | 09:40 |
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| Tofe | m4g0g: I think there's an elide mode for that, like just cutting the text | 09:49 |
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| leszek | hi | 09:51 |
| Tofe | m4g0g: actually it might just be choosing no eliding at all | 09:51 |
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| m4g0g | Tofe: sorry? elide addin the cutting places but I want withour them | 09:52 |
| m4g0g | Tofe: without elide margins doesn't work:^-( | 09:52 |
| Tofe | did you set explicitely the width of your Text object ? | 09:53 |
| m4g0g | Tofe: no/ I use anchors | 09:54 |
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| Tofe | not sure then, sorry | 09:57 |
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| larsemil | when can i run sailfish on my nexus5? :) | 10:03 |
| netchip | larsemil: When someone ports it... | 10:04 |
| larsemil | yeah. longing! | 10:04 |
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| Andorreta | Hi! Any chance to get the source code for the N4 image or some alpha images to flash? | 10:17 |
| tbr | Andorreta: talk to sledges, be prepared to help work out the kinks and fix bugs | 10:19 |
| walokra | So they write everywhere that " company has also released its Sailfish OS 1.0 version" but where is it? or do they mean 1.0.3.8? | 10:19 |
| sledges | hi Andorreta , pm me your name and email + what tbr said; to become early adopter | 10:20 |
| tbr | walokra: 1.0.4.x presumably | 10:20 |
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| tbr | walokra: marketing speak 'released' as in 'we're showing it to investors during MWC' | 10:20 |
| walokra | ah | 10:20 |
| pp_ | maybe even 1.1! | 10:21 |
| pp_ | Or my favourite, sailfish-release rpm 1.0.3.8 -> Sailfish release 1.0 Epoch: 1 | 10:21 |
| tbr | the target for the update4 rollout is early march, as they also explain on TJC | 10:21 |
| pp_ | that's what the epoch tag is for! :P | 10:22 |
| walokra | yeah, I read that. just waiting the changelog | 10:22 |
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| walokra | aargh, hate developing on windows. to use new commandline tool, i need to reboot | 10:22 |
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| sledges | Wh1tebird: if you want to become an early adopter, pm me your name, email, and intentions :) | 10:33 |
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| m4g0g | pls give me an example of using listview in cover page | 10:36 |
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| wickwire | hi guys | 10:43 |
| wickwire | Venemo, coderus: about that issue with the jolla ambiance deployment, I think I got something | 10:43 |
| wickwire | I changed the spec file | 10:43 |
| wickwire | and manually added a missing dir | 10:44 |
| wickwire | and managed to successfully build and deploy an ambiance to the device | 10:44 |
| wickwire | I posted my findings here: https://together.jolla.com/question/25993/how-to-create-an-ambience-rpm-using-template-from-toh-dev-kit/ | 10:44 |
| wickwire | there's probably room for improvement, but at the moment it seems to work | 10:45 |
| wickwire | thank you for trying to help out as well | 10:45 |
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| m4g0g | any examples of coverpage with listview? | 11:17 |
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| * suy is going to spank m4g0g when he/she reconnects | 11:23 | |
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| jussi | oooh, spankings!!! :P | 11:27 |
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| stephg | ha | 11:27 |
| stephg | everyone loves a good spanking | 11:28 |
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| jussi | :D | 11:28 |
| flux | which reminds me, there is no whipping-app for jolla! | 11:29 |
| korhojoa | it had better play the winamp intro | 11:30 |
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| m4g0g | hi | 11:35 |
| m4g0g | How I can add SilicaListView to coverPage and this view doesn't cover actions list? | 11:35 |
| sledges | *g* | 11:35 |
| m4g0g | ? | 11:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | m4g0g: you don't do this :P use repeater | 11:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | column etc. | 11:36 |
| m4g0g | Column doesn't help | 11:36 |
| m4g0g | repeater - i think this is bad idea because all data in models | 11:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | m4g0g: what do you want to do | 11:37 |
| m4g0g | I want to do the same as in contacts app: some data from my model in cover page | 11:37 |
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| m4g0g | but this data covers action buttons and specifying anchor.bottom: coversActions.top doesn't help | 11:38 |
| suy | m4g0g: did you read what I told you already? | 11:38 |
| suy | m4g0g: https://github.com/Armadill0/harbour-tasklist/blob/master/qml/cover/CoverPage.qml | 11:38 |
| suy | m4g0g: there you have a ListView in a CoverPage | 11:38 |
| m4g0g | This doesn't work too. | 11:38 |
| suy | and it works | 11:39 |
| m4g0g | I am trying to build your project to test | 11:39 |
| suy | Is not my project, but I have the the app open here, and I can assure you it works. | 11:39 |
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| Armadillo | hi | 11:43 |
| suy | Armadillo: hey, nice to see you. I was quoting your very harbour-tasklist as an example of how to put a list in a cover :) | 11:45 |
| Armadillo | yes, I heard of that ;) | 11:45 |
| suy | :-D | 11:45 |
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| Armadillo | but I think the answer has already been given | 11:45 |
| Armadillo | this works: https://github.com/Armadill0/harbour-tasklist/blob/master/qml/cover/CoverPage.qml | 11:46 |
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| Armadillo | just put a ListView in the CoverBackground Component | 11:47 |
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| Armadillo | but not a SilicaListView, this is important! | 11:47 |
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| Armadillo | I think that crashed the Cover, but I don't remember exactly | 11:47 |
| Armadillo | was some weeks ago | 11:48 |
| m4g0g | suy: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/24/plasma-desktopLP3535.png | 11:48 |
| m4g0g | suy: nonworking ewxample | 11:49 |
| m4g0g | Armadillo: see link too, pls | 11:49 |
| Armadillo | what is not working there? | 11:50 |
| m4g0g | list view covers actions list | 11:50 |
| suy | m4g0g: you were saying " this data covers action button", that's not what happens in that image. The buttons cover the data. | 11:50 |
| Armadillo | well | 11:50 |
| Armadillo | exactly | 11:51 |
| m4g0g | suy: it's not important. One covers another. I thinsk -this is afful | 11:51 |
| m4g0g | awful* | 11:51 |
| Armadillo | the list is below the cover action | 11:51 |
| m4g0g | but in phone app - all fine | 11:51 |
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| suy | m4g0g: fair enough. Then I completely misunderstood you (or you didn't phrase it correctly). | 11:52 |
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| m4g0g | suy: It's my problem. I didn't phrase it correctly but problem there is | 11:53 |
| Armadillo | I also thought about this. maybe I'll cut the list some entries earlier | 11:54 |
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| suy | m4g0g: I'm looking at it, but I'm at work and I don't have the SDK. I'm looking at other apps, and probably they use some list of a pre-calculated amount of elements. E.g. the notes app shows 3, the phone one shows 4 entries. | 11:58 |
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| Armadillo | is the problem how to stay above the cover action icons independent of the cover height? | 11:59 |
| m4g0g | may be | 12:00 |
| m4g0g | I think that coveractionslist fills all available area | 12:00 |
| Armadillo | give me some minutes, I'll test it | 12:04 |
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| Armadillo | if I change line 122 of my code to this: height: parent.height-140 | 12:11 |
| Armadillo | the list is cut at that point | 12:11 |
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| sledges | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZdwNOeeqnl4/UwshBJFJm9I/AAAAAAAACTo/WHlp0C87FDg/s1600/jolla_sailfish_galaxyS3_others.jpg | 12:22 |
| cos- | nice | 12:22 |
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| Nicd- | are the android hw buttons dead on sailfish? | 12:22 |
| Nicd- | or can you get some use for them? | 12:23 |
| sledges | yes, ideas welcome what you'd like to map them to :D | 12:23 |
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| Nicd- | if you run alien dalvik apps, will it have double buttons? | 12:23 |
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| Armadillo | sledges I would like a popup with "This is a Sailfish, not an Android phone." on every button press :D | 12:26 |
| sledges | +1 :D | 12:26 |
| Armadillo | Sailfish on my Motorola Photon Q would be great, but my porting skills and available time are too low to realize this I think^^ | 12:28 |
| netchip | sledges: Is the Android compat opensource? | 12:31 |
| sledges | nope :/ | 12:32 |
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| kimmoli | Nicd-: My suggestions; swipe left for the <--| (thing) and swipe from left edge for the [] - but Armadillo suggetion is also nice' | 12:33 |
| Armadillo | :D | 12:33 |
| m4g0g | Armadillo: -100 is good for me =) | 12:34 |
| m4g0g | Is it possible to acess to my app icon from my code? | 12:34 |
| Armadillo | I haven't found a way | 12:34 |
| m4g0g | and how to remove my app from emulator? | 12:34 |
| sledges | zypper remove myapp | 12:35 |
| Armadillo | I added it in a separate directory in the qml directory twice to access it | 12:35 |
| Armadillo | m4g0g the only problem you have to think about is: what happens on future devices with higher screen resolution | 12:36 |
| Armadillo | you'll maybe need a combination with a relative size which changes with the device's resolution | 12:37 |
| Armadillo | I don't know if this will work for example with the Theme variables | 12:37 |
| Armadillo | I'm using paddingLarge at many points for example | 12:37 |
| m4g0g | I can't find the way to specify m,ax number of items in view. | 12:37 |
| m4g0g | this will help me, for example | 12:38 |
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| Armadillo | are you appending Items dynamically to the list? | 12:39 |
| m4g0g | yes | 12:40 |
| Armadillo | you you have to read the list count every iteration and stop after the limit you set for example in a global variable | 12:40 |
| Armadillo | -you+so | 12:40 |
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| Nicd- | oh damn. I've used 84600 as the amount of seconds in a day in my app | 12:43 |
| Nicd- | turns out it's 86400 :( | 12:43 |
| m4g0g | Armadillo: i can't because I use one model in 2 views and in the second view should be all items | 12:43 |
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| cos- | is the "official support" coming to N9(50) also? | 12:46 |
| Nicd- | cos-: there will be no official support for nokia phones | 12:47 |
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| cos- | ok. licensing issues? | 12:49 |
| tbr | well there won't be official support for nexus4 either | 12:49 |
| tbr | it will be essentially community driven AFAIU | 12:50 |
| tbr | same as the N9/N950 | 12:50 |
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| Nicd- | cos-: jolla cannot support sailfish on phones by other manufacturers unless they have an agreement | 12:53 |
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| netchip | Nicd-: I think they can. If I reflash my phone, it's my choice and I may do the hell whatever I want with it | 12:56 |
| FireFly | Nicd-: what kind of app? | 12:56 |
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| cos- | Nicd-: yep.. and they have an agreement with samsung i suppose | 12:57 |
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| Armadillo | m4g0g that's the reason why i split up to two models, to be more indepedent form the cover | 12:58 |
| Nicd- | FireFly: sailtime | 12:58 |
| FireFly | oh..ow | 12:58 |
| Nicd- | it only shows itself as jumping to the next day too eagerly | 12:58 |
| Nicd- | but when you cross the day border, it's fixed again | 12:59 |
| Nicd- | I'm pushing out a bugfix now | 12:59 |
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| juke_ | Nicd-, is sailtime your app? | 12:59 |
| Nicd- | juke_: yes | 13:00 |
| m4g0g | Armadillo: I specify item delegate height and limit view size wth 6 * delegateHeight | 13:00 |
| juke_ | i am just curious how did you get that background refreshing working | 13:00 |
| juke_ | i tried doing something similar with qtimers but they don't work after screen is shut down | 13:00 |
| walokra | hmm, jolla went with the booth babes way. wasn't it shown that booth men are more effective for sales purposes :) | 13:01 |
| Nicd- | juke_: it's just a javascript timer | 13:01 |
| m4g0g | about images: I should use qt resource system or something else? | 13:01 |
| walokra | ups, wrong channel | 13:01 |
| Armadillo | m4g0g that sounds good, I'll also try this | 13:01 |
| juke_ | Nicd-, hah, seriously? :D:D | 13:01 |
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| Nicd- | juke_: take a look at https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src | 13:01 |
| juke_ | oh man, this is too much | 13:01 |
| Nicd- | juke_: it's here: https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src/1bfce5e599831f5b2718b27537519472b906f4dc/qml/harbour-sailtime.qml?at=master#cl-57 | 13:02 |
| m4g0g | Armadillo: And i test situation with lots of running applications - it's scales normally | 13:02 |
| juke_ | so those do not freeze when screen is off but qtimers do... | 13:02 |
| Nicd- | well, a QML timer to be exact | 13:02 |
| Nicd- | it does freeze | 13:03 |
| Nicd- | I made a note about it in the settings page | 13:03 |
| juke_ | oh, well that changes things | 13:03 |
| Nicd- | the timer isn't always fired when it's supposed to when the screen is locked | 13:03 |
| juke_ | so the same issue | 13:04 |
| Nicd- | it's a power management feature | 13:04 |
| juke_ | so i've heard | 13:04 |
| juke_ | i almost got excited that i could have background measurements in netradar | 13:05 |
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| Nicd- | ok, update submitted to qa | 13:08 |
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| nh1402 | jiuu] | 13:09 |
| nh1402 | sorry about that | 13:11 |
| m4g0g | I create my first jolla app =) Congratulate me =) | 13:12 |
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| sledges | \o/ | 13:12 |
| juke_ | m4g0g, gz! | 13:12 |
| m4g0g | =) | 13:12 |
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| gabriel9|work | what is it? | 13:13 |
| m4g0g | this is client for getpocket.com | 13:13 |
| m4g0g | the next, i hope, will be native goodreads client | 13:14 |
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| gabriel9|work | newer used that ones | 13:18 |
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| gabriel9|work | but, do ou have some models in C++? I need some examples and tuts to finish mine... | 13:19 |
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| gabriel9|work | i coded them for N9 and when i tried to convert them to Sailfish hell of C++ unleashed | 13:20 |
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| MSameer | lbt: I have an issue building sailfish apps in mer obs, they end up limking against libhybris which will never be allowed for store I guess? | 13:22 |
| kkruglov | hey all | 13:22 |
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| kkruglov | author of yt video with jolla showed on nexus 4 give this adress | 13:23 |
| kkruglov | saying: be early adopter and giving this adress | 13:23 |
| MSameer | lbt: perhaps we need to import sailfish sdk to build against | 13:23 |
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| sledges | kkruglov: hello, pm me your name and email, and what would you like to help with | 13:24 |
| kkruglov | pm where? | 13:24 |
| sledges | i'll tell you | 13:24 |
| kkruglov | kk thx | 13:25 |
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| Andy80 | mhall119, welcome here Michael :) | 13:27 |
| lbt | MSameer: how so ? | 13:27 |
| lbt | the linking against hybris I mean | 13:28 |
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| MSameer | lbt: it's what happens | 13:33 |
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| MSameer | lbt: want to check? | 13:33 |
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| lbt | well, I'd prefer a suggested fix | 13:33 |
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| MSameer | lbt: I don't know how to fix it so I can not suggest | 13:34 |
| MSameer | lbt: since I don't know what is being imported | 13:34 |
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| lbt | OK - I'll take a look | 13:35 |
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| MSameer | lbt: at least it doesn't look like hybris is being installed while building but after installing the rpm I checked with ldd and: | 13:35 |
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| MSameer | lbt: libhybris-common.so.1 => /usr/lib/libhybris-common.so.1 (0x43db0000) | 13:35 |
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| MSameer | lbt: so I don't get it | 13:35 |
| lbt | which target ? | 13:36 |
| lbt | I may have my prjconf setup wrong | 13:36 |
| lbt | get phaeron to take a look | 13:36 |
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| MSameer | lbt: phaeron sailfishos:1.0.3.8/latest_armv7hl | 13:37 |
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| lbt | *nod* ,,, just checking :) | 13:37 |
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| phaeron | lbt: mm | 13:47 |
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| phaeron | MSameer: your packages seem to build fine ? | 13:48 |
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| lbt | wondering if my prjconf needs work | 13:50 |
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| phaeron | lbt: specific issue ? I don't understand the context :) | 13:51 |
| lbt | scrollback a few mins - MSameer's hybris linking issue | 13:51 |
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| phaeron | lbt: hmm why do you have mer core from mds2 in build path ? | 13:53 |
| phaeron | ( probably unrelated ) | 13:53 |
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| phaeron | MSameer: there is no hybris stuff in platform target, so what you see on device is probably only hardware adaptation in play. check the rpm with rpm -qp --requires <foo.rpm> please ? | 13:55 |
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| phaeron | *tumbleweed* | 13:57 |
| phaeron | I bbl :) | 13:57 |
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| Aile | Am I correct or incorrect to summer that the | 14:10 |
| Aile | Nexus 4 port is not yet public? | 14:11 |
| coderus | no public ports at all | 14:11 |
| Aile | Ah, I figured, thanks | 14:12 |
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| sledges | Aile: but you can become early adopter | 14:13 |
| Aile | Hmm, what's the cost? | 14:13 |
| sledges | your email | 14:13 |
| sledges | (not here ofc) | 14:13 |
| sledges | pm me | 14:13 |
| Aile | Okay | 14:15 |
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| kimmoli | sledges: How long it takes to port Sailfish on X, X+ or XL ? (aro) | 14:34 |
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| Andy80 | kimmoli, it depends if the bootloader is locked or not | 14:36 |
| Andy80 | and I guess it's locked | 14:36 |
| sledges | kimmoli: better to ask cyanogenmod guys first | 14:36 |
| sledges | what they can break | 14:37 |
| kimmoli | yep | 14:37 |
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| kimmoli | i did break my work: System is out of erased blocks for Chip:0 | 14:37 |
| sledges | fi it runs cm, it runs sfos ;) | 14:37 |
| sledges | whoops | 14:38 |
| kimmoli | yep whoops indeed.. fl0001_check_erase_queue_sizes: Can not find block from Chip:0 | 14:38 |
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| kurosch | hey got a simple stupid question, when I use <pageStack.push("qwertz.qml",props)> how can I access the variable props in "qwertz.qml" ? | 14:42 |
| kurosch | ohh duhh nevermind | 14:43 |
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| VDVsx | kimmoli, better to run sailfish on the new lumias :D X hw is quite low end | 15:32 |
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| kimmoli | hmm | 15:34 |
| kimmoli | no - i dont have lumia either | 15:34 |
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| flotron | I have nexus 4 now! only to run sailfish | 15:37 |
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| sledges | you're the hero :) | 15:42 |
| brick5492 | help | 15:42 |
| brick5492 | oh | 15:42 |
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| brick5492 | where can I download sailfish? | 15:42 |
| brick5492 | for my N4? | 15:42 |
| brick5492 | I really want it :) | 15:43 |
| brick5492 | I am a html5 developer | 15:43 |
| sledges | flotron: brick5492: pm me your names emails and intentions, and we'll get back to you | 15:43 |
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| brick5492 | @sledges, where can I put my email? | 15:44 |
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| brick5492 | Just PMmed you my email, Sledges. Thanks! | 15:45 |
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| brick5492 | cya | 15:48 |
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| HarryValenti | how can i join for the beta? | 15:49 |
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| brick5492 | back | 15:55 |
| HarryValenti_ | any way to join the beta? | 15:56 |
| brick5492 | Same as I asked :) | 15:56 |
| brick5492 | You need to give sledges your email | 15:57 |
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| HarryValenti_ | oh, thanks brick! how can i do that? i mean, direct message sledges | 15:58 |
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| sledges | yes please HarryValenti_ :) | 16:03 |
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| AntonioLatiano | Good evening to all! | 16:09 |
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| sledges | hello Antonio | 16:09 |
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| bentz | hi | 16:10 |
| AntonioLatiano | I saw a video about Jolla Sailfish on the nexus 4 | 16:10 |
| AntonioLatiano | sorry for my poor quality English | 16:11 |
| bentz | hi | 16:11 |
| HarryValenti_ | hi (ciao) | 16:12 |
| bentz | ciao | 16:12 |
| AntonioLatiano | when the flashable zip will be available? | 16:12 |
| AntonioLatiano | I know it is a question that leads to boredom | 16:13 |
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| AntonioLatiano | bentz and harryValenti_, you are italian? | 16:15 |
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| bentz | the author of the video said on comment that you can find the flashable here. | 16:16 |
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| bentz | si si AntonioLatiano | 16:16 |
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| bentz | sono italino | 16:16 |
| bentz | italiano* | 16:16 |
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| AntonioLatiano | i will talk anyway I will speak again in English so everyone can understand (non credo che c'è bisogno di tradurre vero?) | 16:18 |
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| sledges | AntonioLatiano: we are rolling early adopters program | 16:19 |
| sledges | pm me your email and intentions :) | 16:19 |
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| sledges | if you want to become an early adopter | 16:20 |
| Dazzozo | is there anything in the works for the nexus 5? | 16:21 |
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| AntonioLatiano | i'm sorry can you help me? i don't use this website and i don't know to send a pm | 16:24 |
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| AntonioLatiano | or someone else... | 16:25 |
| bentz | AntonioLatiano, usa un client IRC... | 16:26 |
| AntonioLatiano | ho visto su wikipedia il comando /msg | 16:26 |
| AntonioLatiano | vale anche qui? | 16:27 |
| m4g0g | hi | 16:27 |
| bentz | si si vale | 16:27 |
| bentz | fai /msg nome_utente e messaggio | 16:27 |
| AntonioLatiano | perfetto grazie mille | 16:27 |
| sledges | Dazzozo: it will depend how community picks it up from the floor :) we'll release porting instructions | 16:29 |
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| avivbyo | So whatsup ? | 16:36 |
| Guest61613 | any idea when sailfish os for nexus 4 will be available for testing? | 16:37 |
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| avivbyo | I want it so badly | 16:38 |
| mirkolone | me too | 16:39 |
| sledges | Guest61613, avivbyo : if you want, sign up to be an early adopter: pm me your name email and intentions to help :) | 16:39 |
| sledges | mirkolone: ^ | 16:39 |
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| avivbyo | slegdes how do i pm you? | 16:39 |
| sledges | avivbyo: "/msg sledges hi" | 16:39 |
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| gezze | hi | 17:14 |
| Shin_NeMeSiS | hi | 17:14 |
| gezze | so where is the zipfile ? :D | 17:14 |
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| gezze | ? | 17:16 |
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| Shin_NeMeSiS | i think they are cooking it... and some cookies... xD | 17:16 |
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| ChimChim | You needed to msg sledges, but he appears to be offline currently :) | 17:21 |
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| Shin_NeMeSiS | thanks :) | 17:21 |
| Shin_NeMeSiS | but... no, cookies? :( | 17:21 |
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| sledges | offline? | 17:22 |
| sledges | come to the darkside, we have cookies :) | 17:22 |
| ChimChim | lol, my client said you went offline | 17:22 |
| ChimChim | wat | 17:22 |
| ChimChim | Soz! | 17:22 |
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| sledges | interesting :) | 17:25 |
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| ChimChim | indeed hehe | 17:26 |
| ChimChim | So when can we expect the build? | 17:26 |
| sledges | soon(TM) ;) | 17:27 |
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| ChimChim | Valve-time? | 17:28 |
| sledges | :D | 17:29 |
| sledges | Jolla-time | 17:29 |
| ChimChim | Haha :D | 17:30 |
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| bentz | see you soon! | 18:16 |
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| sledges | ciao! | 18:18 |
| gTan64 | sledges, did you see my message yesterday? | 18:19 |
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| salamadonna | hi guys i would like to help testing the sailfish port for the nexus 4, where can I start? | 18:22 |
| gTan64 | sledges, I've been working on my own port of Sailfish to the Nexus 4 for the last week or two, and I had it mostly working with Freedreno drivers/X11 at one point (font rendering issues, probably due to the above)... I never got hybris to work. I was contemplating releasing my port, but I wasn't sure if there were legal issues with redistributing Jolla's closed source apps or practical issues with pre-empting your release. What ar | 18:24 |
| gTan64 | e your plans with regards to releasing your port? | 18:24 |
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| tsukimori | salamadonna: contact sledges via pm | 18:29 |
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| sledges | gTan64: yes I read your msg, but you were offline. See latest Jolla's press release regarding downloadable Sailfish OS for Android devices | 18:36 |
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| Morpog_PC | so soon :D | 18:45 |
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| ChimChim | #soon | 18:46 |
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| ChimChim | soon™ | 18:46 |
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| sledges | /join #soon | 18:49 |
| sledges | to find out | 18:49 |
| ChimChim | oh god | 18:50 |
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| jorbas | So I was doing some reading on mobile OSes, and I came across Sailfish OS. I was curious as to why Sailfish was created, as opposed to getting behind Tizen, effectively the successor to what Sailfish is born from (I guess). | 19:01 |
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| jorbas | Was it to get away from the likes of Intel, to be a completely seperate entity, or is there other reasons? | 19:02 |
| sledges | non-corporate driven agile company, avoiding fate of meego | 19:03 |
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| n-iCe | hello guys | 19:06 |
| ChimChim | hello! | 19:06 |
| n-iCe | first time here! is this an Android OS? | 19:06 |
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| ChimChim | nope | 19:06 |
| n-iCe | no android based? | 19:07 |
| n-iCe | are there apps yet? | 19:07 |
| Sidde | not android based no. but it can run android apps through alien dalvik | 19:07 |
| Sidde | there is native apps yes | 19:07 |
| n-iCe | great | 19:08 |
| n-iCe | where do I start? | 19:08 |
| jorbas | With a lot of the other new mobile OSes being heavily based on HTML5 (Firefox OS, Tizen), Sailfish sort of bucked the trend, what was the reasoning behind that? | 19:09 |
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| jorbas | I'm assuming that Qt apps are meant to be the "standard" for Sailfish | 19:10 |
| Sidde | n-iCe: i think jolla will release rom's for lots of android devices to run sailfish on. Otherwise you can buy a smartphone at jolla.com | 19:10 |
| Eztran | jorbas: does help that the developers really like Qt :) | 19:10 |
| n-iCe | Sidde: so it is not a rom I can flash in my phone? | 19:11 |
| sledges | jorbas: there is no standartised API for html5 apps to interact with underlying hardware to be integratable enough | 19:11 |
| ChimChim | n-iCe: not yet | 19:11 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: also HTML5 still seems rather limiting for non trivial applications | 19:11 |
| sledges | jorbas: HTML5 as such, is not yet certified as standard | 19:11 |
| sledges | 2016 iirc | 19:11 |
| Sidde | n-iCe: don't know the date they will release it | 19:11 |
| n-iCe | oh | 19:11 |
| n-iCe | I saw a youtube video with a N4 runing this OS | 19:11 |
| n-iCe | How is that possible | 19:11 |
| ChimChim | Sledges worked his magic | 19:12 |
| sledges | ChimChim: Jolla | 19:12 |
| Sidde | n-iCe: the rom exists, but not yet released to the public | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | Though there seems to be lots of apps available on my firefoxos phone, they all more or less fall into the "trivial toys" category | 19:12 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: and if you count all the failed attempts on HTML/js only OS, such as webOS, Metro, etc. | 19:12 |
| Nichope | n-iCe: Well, and also you can also download the sdk to use it in the pc (I think you can find it at sailfishos.org) | 19:12 |
| ChimChim | sledges I am confused | 19:13 |
| jorbas | I admit, I've had a go at HTML5 development and it seemed a bit immature. | 19:13 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: and regarding Tizen, they (Samsung & Intel) dumped most of the MeeGo stuff long ago anyway | 19:13 |
| n-iCe | oh | 19:14 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: and the project seems to be extraordinarily chaotic, un-transparent and overly dominated by on-sided decisions by Samsung | 19:14 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: also for HTML5, you would basically have to rewrite all libraries your application might need to Javascript | 19:15 |
| jorbas | Of course | 19:15 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: with native development you can, sou know, just compile them & use them, at native speed | 19:15 |
| jorbas | I've never worked with Qt, just GTK. I'm assuming native Qt apps on Sailfish are C++? | 19:16 |
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| Sidde | jorbas: c++ and/or qml | 19:17 |
| joonahoi_ | you can use c++, python and soon ruby with qt | 19:17 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: not really a trivial matter for stuff like zxing, image magic, PIL, offline routing daemons, 2D/3D engines, numpy, matplotlib, etc. | 19:17 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, I'm using Python for example :) | 19:18 |
| jorbas | Fantastic, Python is my thing. | 19:18 |
| M4rtinK | works very well with PyOtherSide | 19:18 |
| M4rtinK | BTW: http://thp.io/2011/pyotherside/ | 19:19 |
| Sidde | qml(js) workes much better than i expected. Many applications can be written without a line of c++ | 19:19 |
| jorbas | Is Python3 available for Sailfish, or is it 2.7? | 19:19 |
| M4rtinK | both | 19:19 |
| M4rtinK | but PyOtherSide (Qt5 bindings) are built against Python 3 only | 19:19 |
| thp | jorbas: python 2 is available in the repos, but pyotherside works with python 3 | 19:19 |
| thp | jorbas: what M4rtinK said :) | 19:20 |
| M4rtinK | and both Python 3 & PyOtherSide are in default repos | 19:20 |
| M4rtinK | and you can submit Python apps to the main store | 19:20 |
| thp | "soon" | 19:20 |
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| M4rtinK | oh, I though it is already possible after the FOSDEM update :) | 19:21 |
| jorbas | Alright, you may have swung me for my next phone to be running Sailfish OS. | 19:21 |
| thp | btw, you can get slightly newer python3 + pyotherside builds from http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/thp:/gpodder/latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/ - pyotherside in the official repos has a small bug at the moment, should be fixed with the next release | 19:21 |
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| Nichope | I guess that during this week we'll have a lot of new "faces" (nicknames) here. And that means that all the sailors at MWC are doing really well :) I wonder which of them will become usual members (I mean, the ones that you get familiar with seeing) :P | 19:23 |
| jorbas | Having never developed for mobile before, do I need a device in order to develop? | 19:23 |
| thp | jorbas: you can start out with the SDK and the emulator | 19:23 |
| jorbas | Oh there's an emulator? Is that included in the SDK? | 19:24 |
| thp | yep | 19:24 |
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| thp | obviously it can't do things like multi-touch, sensors, calls, etc.. | 19:24 |
| thp | but for basic app testing and playing around with the ui toolkit, it's fine | 19:24 |
| thp | https://sailfishos.org/develop.html | 19:24 |
| M4rtinK | thp: oh, so exceptions in callback don't vanish anymore, nice! :) | 19:25 |
| jorbas | Is there somewhere I can see what apps are available for Sailfish at the moment? | 19:25 |
| thp | M4rtinK: yeah, that too ;) | 19:26 |
| SfietKonstantin | jorbas: what kind of apps do you want ;) | 19:26 |
| SfietKonstantin | it's a pity that there is no web frontend for Jolla app store | 19:26 |
| M4rtinK | thp: yeah, it was getting kinda annoying sometimes - I wonder how many failing callback I actually have at the moment :D | 19:26 |
| jorbas | Just to browse I guess, see what's available and if there's anything I think I would like to take on. | 19:27 |
| thp | M4rtinK: hehe ;) | 19:27 |
| M4rtinK | SfietKonstantin: can be voted here: https://together.jolla.com/question/2721/jolla-application-store-web-version/ | 19:27 |
| jorbas | The Jolla phone is the only Sailfish OS device right now, yes? | 19:27 |
| SfietKonstantin | jorbas: yes | 19:27 |
| thp | jorbas: a random collection of open source third party apps is here: https://github.com/sailfishapps | 19:27 |
| SfietKonstantin | jorbas: you can do whatever you want, honestly | 19:28 |
| SfietKonstantin | there is so much to do on the (native) app side | 19:28 |
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| jorbas | For how long is the Jolla phone expected to be the only device? Is Jolla releasing a newer model anytime soon? | 19:29 |
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| jorbas | Alright I guess that's sort of under wraps and not something you'd announce on IRC | 19:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | jorbas: I expect something like one device per year | 19:31 |
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| Nichope | jorbas: In fact, there are big chances that most if not all of your question will be answered this week in MWC :) | 19:34 |
| Nichope | at least, according to what I've read | 19:35 |
| walokra | galaxy s5 with sailfishos would be nic | 19:35 |
| walokra | *nice | 19:35 |
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| Morpog_PC | that butt ugly device? | 19:37 |
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| ChimChim | I agree, s5 looks horrible | 19:37 |
| walokra | yeah, i hate the design also, but the specs looks nice | 19:38 |
| walokra | or it's wrong to say design as there's none with s5 | 19:38 |
| Eztran | S5 is S4 + specs + couple of 'borrowed' ideas. Jolla weren't kidding about stagnation. | 19:38 |
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| flotron | S5/s4/s3 call me crazy but i see the same thing. Just like iphones, nothing new | 19:39 |
| phdeswer | Makes me think of http://s14.postimg.org/hbysvkqts/SHAMESUNG.jpg | 19:40 |
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| flotron | wow, thats why i see | 19:40 |
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| jorbas | What is it with trying to cram the biggest screen on you can onto a phone? Anything 5+ just seems absurd. It's a phone, not a tablet. | 19:45 |
| avivbyo | I agree wutg flotron | 19:46 |
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| avivbyo | with* | 19:47 |
| Streather | i think the S5 looks sort of like someone took a S2 and used free transform in photoshop to make it bigger | 19:47 |
| flotron | photoshop? maybe microsoft paint :) | 19:48 |
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| jorbas | Okay, with regards to Python development on Sailfish, how does packaging the app work? | 19:55 |
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| anus_ | jolla! | 19:57 |
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| M4rtinK | jorbas: no idea about the SDK | 20:00 |
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| M4rtinK | jorbas: but you can for example make a tarball & spec file and upload that to Mer OBS | 20:01 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: and OBS will make a package from it (and a repository) | 20:02 |
| avivbyo | What is OBS? | 20:02 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: then you can take the package and upload it to a store, to the jolla store once supported, or to openrepos | 20:03 |
| jorbas | Am I limited to using libraries that are in the repos? When developing on Linux, I use pip, how will it know what libraries I've used and to package them along with it? | 20:04 |
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| M4rtinK | avivbyo: Open Build System & this instance is being used for Mer & Sailfish stuff: https://build.merproject.org/ | 20:04 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: as long as you bundle everything needed, it should be fine | 20:05 |
| jorbas | Packaging Python programs is usually something I don't do, it's such a headache. | 20:05 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: pure-Python modules should be particularly easy, just make sure they are in Python path | 20:06 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: well, that was just example of my workflow (well, it is a bit more crazier actually) :) | 20:06 |
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| M4rtinK | jorbas: I'm sure thp is working on easy Sailfish SDK integration for Python apps :) | 20:07 |
| jorbas | So you work outside of the SDK right now? | 20:07 |
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| jorbas | And just package the RPM via OBS then stick it on your device to test it? | 20:08 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: pretty much yes | 20:09 |
| thp | jorbas: during development, you can just run it on the device, no need to package it as RPM | 20:09 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: but for normal development I don't bother with packaging | 20:09 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: you can just rsync it to the device and run it with qmlscene | 20:09 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: or even edit the source itself on the device | 20:10 |
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| jorbas | Via SSH? | 20:10 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: in this case, device means also the Sailfish OS emulator | 20:10 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: yep | 20:10 |
| M4rtinK | it is super quick BTW, as you don't need to compile anything and PyOtherSide starts almost at once | 20:12 |
| jorbas | Quick quesion about the emulator, how do I go back to the "home" screen? | 20:12 |
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| Holly18 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 20:12 |
| M4rtinK | jorbas: swipe from side | 20:12 |
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| M4rtinK | jorbas: or close the app by swiping from the top | 20:12 |
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| jorbas | I think I just put the device to sleep, how do I wake it up? | 20:13 |
| avivbyo | Double tap i think | 20:14 |
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| jorbas | Didn't work, but I figured it out | 20:14 |
| jorbas | host+h | 20:14 |
| jorbas | Or ACPI shutdown, in the menu | 20:15 |
| avivbyo | Oh | 20:15 |
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| flotron | wifi working on s3 https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adaptations/libhybris&action=history | 20:26 |
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| jorbas | PyOtherSide not on PyPi :( | 20:31 |
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| Dev-aux | Guggugg :) | 20:32 |
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| Dev-aux | I like these these tasty chips called Sailfisho's | 20:35 |
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| WHERESTHEZIP | . | 21:32 |
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| kimmoli | does anyone know uinput with sailfish (or with maliit) | 21:34 |
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| kimmoli | (sent my complete question to mailinglist... if anyone could help... desperate...) | 21:44 |
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| jjs999jjs | hey sailor | 21:48 |
| jjs999jjs | good luck man | 21:48 |
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| sailor1234 | thank you | 21:50 |
| sailor1234 | hi everyone | 21:50 |
| sailor1234 | I'm newbie with that staff... what are the commands? | 21:51 |
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| sailor1234 | hello guys | 21:56 |
| flotron | hi | 21:57 |
| sailor1234 | are you a jolla user? | 21:57 |
| flotron | want to be :) | 21:57 |
| sailor1234 | flotron; | 21:57 |
| sailor1234 | ok, | 21:57 |
| sailor1234 | how this irc staff works? | 21:58 |
| sailor1234 | i just now to text | 21:58 |
| tsukimori | huh? | 21:58 |
| sailor1234 | know* | 21:58 |
| flotron | what? | 21:58 |
| sailor1234 | irc... | 21:59 |
| tsukimori | how to use irc? | 21:59 |
| sailor1234 | yes | 21:59 |
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| tsukimori | well you type text and hit enter and then other people can see it | 21:59 |
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| flotron | is a chatroom, did you ever enter to a chatroom? | 21:59 |
| sailor1234 | that i know | 21:59 |
| stephg_j_ | sailor1234: think of it as a chat room | 21:59 |
| sailor1234 | yes | 21:59 |
| sailor1234 | ok | 21:59 |
| sailor1234 | bit the commands | 21:59 |
| tsukimori | which ones? | 21:59 |
| sailor1234 | for seeing information | 22:00 |
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| tsukimori | what information? | 22:00 |
| flotron | did you search in google? there is a lot of info of it :) | 22:00 |
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| sailor1234 | like from where the user comes to call someone here, | 22:00 |
| sailor1234 | etc | 22:00 |
| sailor1234 | type for directly change nodes... etc | 22:01 |
| sailor1234 | how to bring someone into this roo | 22:01 |
| sailor1234 | room? | 22:01 |
| sailor1234 | * | 22:01 |
| tsukimori | depends on the client | 22:01 |
| sailor1234 | ok | 22:01 |
| tsukimori | I guess you use the irc for sailfish client? | 22:01 |
| sailor1234 | yes | 22:02 |
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| tsukimori | if you need help with that #communi is the best place to get that | 22:02 |
| sailor1234 | someone said to me that im from italy because he saw something | 22:02 |
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| sailor1234 | ok | 22:02 |
| flotron | http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html | 22:02 |
| sailor1234 | at jolla? | 22:02 |
| joonahoi_ | sailor1234: you are, can be seen from your hostmask | 22:03 |
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| sailor1234 | jolla.com ou .... | 22:03 |
| joonahoi_ | or well, at least you are AT italy | 22:03 |
| sailor1234 | what can i type for that? | 22:03 |
| joonahoi_ | /whois username | 22:03 |
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| Judy22 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 22:04 |
| sailor1234 | no way | 22:04 |
| sailor1234 | ok thanks | 22:04 |
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| sailor1234 | but this client don't have the same commands | 22:05 |
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| sailor1234 | it doesn't bring anything for /whois ... | 22:05 |
| joonahoi | check your status window | 22:06 |
| tsukimori | try a long press in the nick list | 22:06 |
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| sailor1234 | ok | 22:06 |
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| sailor1234 | tsukimori: it comes ban, kick, op, query and voice | 22:08 |
| sailor1234 | ok, i'll search for more details | 22:09 |
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| tsukimori | then either the server window or it may just not be supported yet | 22:10 |
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| cidy | sailor1234 | 22:11 |
| sailor1234 | hey | 22:12 |
| sailor1234 | how are you? | 22:12 |
| cidy | very fine | 22:12 |
| sailor1234 | cidy: f | 22:12 |
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| cidy | i got how it works | 22:15 |
| sailor1234 | hell yeah | 22:15 |
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| AL13N | quite the interesting article on btrfs: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/bitrot-and-atomic-cows-inside-next-gen-filesystems/ | 22:55 |
| AL13N | i wonder if balancing on µSD would get a big performance drop | 22:56 |
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| stephg_j_ | AL13N: I know (online) the author of that piece | 22:59 |
| virtuald | say hi to him (virtually) | 23:00 |
| stephg_j_ | by uSD you mean the internal... ? | 23:00 |
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| 23LAAASGD | or form factor? | 23:23 |
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| PLSGIMMEZIP | is anyone even here? :O | 23:41 |
| tsukimori | 299 nicks | 23:42 |
| lpotter | yes | 23:44 |
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| PLSGIMMEZIP | so whats this chat room even about | 23:49 |
| trex | ? | 23:50 |
| tsukimori | just what it says in the topic | 23:53 |
| vesurivs | lol | 23:54 |
| vesurivs | gimme gimme gimme | 23:55 |
| vesurivs | https://twitter.com/tbr23/status/437636525439078400/photo/1/large | 23:55 |
| tsukimori | whee | 23:56 |
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