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| chriadam | coderus: ping | 00:37 |
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| chriadam | just fyi with Saapunki we export contact data to (non-privileged) /home/nemo/.local/share/system/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite/contacts.db -- not available for harbour apps, but you can instantiate a QContactManager to access that database via QtPIM apis now without requiring privileges. | 00:41 |
| chriadam | currently, all contact data except for data synchronized from Facebook via the Facebook Graph API is available there. | 00:41 |
| chriadam | eg, google / exchange / local contacts etc. | 00:42 |
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| lclc | I didn't follow sailfishs / Jolla the last few months, did they open source the UI too? or still only the core? | 07:15 |
| lclc | *is no everything FOSS? | 07:15 |
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| Nicd- | lclc: the most recent change is that the documents app was open sourced | 07:16 |
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| lclc | ok, but the general swipe UI is still not? | 07:17 |
| chriadam | lclc: I might be wrong, but my understanding is that the QML files are open, the C++ bits are still closed. | 07:17 |
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| flux | what is the license of the QML files? I thought they are 'open' due to practical reasons, can they be redistributed? | 07:20 |
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| zoldyck_ | why are there broken symlinks pointing to consolehelper at /usr/bin/pm-{hibernate,powersave,suspend,suspend-hybrid} on Jolla (latest update)? | 07:21 |
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| zoldyck_ | (since there's no any consolehelper) | 07:21 |
| chriadam | Sage_: spiiroin: ^^ re power management symlinks ? | 07:21 |
| spiiroin | first thought: something from new systemd that nobody noticed? | 07:22 |
| chriadam | flux: if you cat /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/Page.qml for example, it's BSD licensed. | 07:23 |
| chriadam | not sure about the rest of them, but you can check I guess. | 07:23 |
| chriadam | well, that's my understanding. I'm not a lawyer, nor speaking in official capacity obviously. | 07:23 |
| flux | chriadam, nice! | 07:24 |
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| spiiroin | zoldyck_: thanks for reporting, I'm not sure yet why the symlinks are there, but I'll create ticket about it | 07:30 |
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| stephg | morning guys | 07:30 |
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| zoldyck_ | maybe you know the purpose of /home/nemo/android_storage and where it gets mounted and why it is a fuse mount? | 07:36 |
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| cos- | is there some new issue that causes "problem with network" when trying to call anyone? | 07:47 |
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| cos- | the phone thinks it has about half of 3g reception but outgoing calls fail | 07:47 |
| tigeli | cos-: could be a problem with the network too | 07:49 |
| chriadam | amccarthy: lpotter: ^ | 07:49 |
| gabriel9|work | is there a update for sdk? | 07:49 |
| tigeli | cos-: what operator? | 07:49 |
| cos- | tigeli: i just rebooted the phone and now it works. telefinland. | 07:50 |
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| tigeli | cos-: sonera has had problems with their network | 07:50 |
| cos- | i think i saw the issue first time last weekend | 07:50 |
| tigeli | cos-: "Matkapuhelinverkon datayhteyksissä esiintyy katkeilua", http://www.sonera.fi/etsi+apua+ja+tukea/ajankohtaista/vika+ja+hairiotiedotteet | 07:51 |
| cos- | ok, could be network related then. | 07:51 |
| tigeli | cos-: http://www.tietokone.fi/artikkeli/uutiset/soneran_mobiiliverkossa_ongelmia_toista_kuukautta_viimeinkin_korjaus | 07:51 |
| tigeli | that was in the news yesterday | 07:52 |
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| tigeli | too bad sonera is not really informing about problems they are having | 07:52 |
| tigeli | cos-: last autumn their lte-network had huge issues so that the devices would not fallback to umts when there was a incoming call | 07:52 |
| cos- | ok, i'm outside civilization and not following the news :-) | 07:53 |
| tigeli | and they did not inform about it until it got fixed | 07:53 |
| lpotter | might as well blame connman anyway | 07:53 |
| tigeli | :D | 07:53 |
| mfulz | does anybody knows wehere this home-nemo-android_storage.mount is done? Or is related to jolla only? | 07:56 |
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| cos- | btw "problem with network" is quite lousy error message. user has no clue if it's talking about wifi or cell network. | 07:59 |
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| faenil | o/ | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | morn faenil | 08:00 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, I opted in last night for the connman stuff, but haven't seen any update notification yet, is there any known issue with that? | 08:02 |
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| tigeli | cos-: I've made a bug about it | 08:03 |
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| Stskeeps | faenil: nooo clue | 08:03 |
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| lpotter | faenil: don't think the hotfix is ready yet. | 08:05 |
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| faenil | lpotter, ah, I see...can you edit this post and specify that? https://together.jolla.com/question/45026/hotfix-opt-in-hotfix-for-connectivity-in-upcoming-update-7/ | 08:08 |
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| zoldyck[] | strange thing - Jolla reboots when I recursively grep / as root | 08:11 |
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| zoldyck[] | not immediately :) | 08:11 |
| zoldyck[] | tried 2 times | 08:12 |
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| lpotter | faenil: I'm not exactly sure whenhow that is working. Aard does | 08:12 |
| zoldyck[] | I guess it's some kernel panic or /proc magic | 08:12 |
| zoldyck[] | can anyone try it too? | 08:12 |
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| faenil | special, is there anything I can do to make messages app display only one "Recipient" account? | 08:16 |
| Aard | faenil: I wrote there we'll release the hotfix in the same week. not immediately :p | 08:16 |
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| * faenil opens thread again | 08:16 | |
| faenil | Aard, alright, I'm blind sorry... | 08:16 |
| tigeli | zoldyck[]: probably fs-corruption | 08:18 |
| tigeli | zoldyck[]: would be my guess ;) | 08:18 |
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| zoldyck[] | btrfs corruption is fearful and I can't think of a way to check | 08:22 |
| Sage_ | zoldyck[]: chriadam|away: spiiroin: those are in pm-utils package it seems so I would think they have been there for long time | 08:23 |
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| zoldyck[] | except for kernel messages which don't mention anything btrfs | 08:23 |
| zoldyck[] | in error level at least | 08:23 |
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| zoldyck[] | maybe file in /dev/ make it run out of memory | 08:25 |
| zoldyck[] | files* | 08:26 |
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| p2-mate | how can I find out if my sim is 4G capable? | 08:26 |
| Juuba | service provider? | 08:27 |
| p2-mate | elisa | 08:27 |
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| pp | try it in 4g mode? | 08:30 |
| tbr | will also depend on your subscription. SIM might work fine in LTE, but subscription might have it disabled. | 08:31 |
| pp | yea, my old saunalahti just didn't go into 4g mode (did the dbus-send trick, naughty me :P ) | 08:31 |
| coderus | chriadam|away: Mitakuuluu still have access to Contacts database on Saapunki :) | 08:32 |
| zoldyck[] | do you know if modern prepaid saunalahti is 4G-friendly? | 08:32 |
| pp | this one is: https://kampanja3.dna.fi/dataprepaid/ :P | 08:33 |
| pp | (still seem to be available, no voice tho) | 08:33 |
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| zoldyck[] | does the lock screen icon switch to 4G with 4G? | 08:33 |
| pp | yes | 08:34 |
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| faenil | does anyone know the different between using QQuickFBO and QQuickPaintedItem? | 09:23 |
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| faenil | difference* | 09:24 |
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| m4g0g | hi | 10:58 |
| m4g0g | how to add attachedPage to page which uses as initialPage? | 10:58 |
| chem|st | anyone familiar with proper systemd stuff? I'd like to mount a btrfs subvolume before aliendalvik gets started, to mount the sdcard to data/media before it gets fused | 10:58 |
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| leszek | m4g0g: pushAttached is not working ? | 11:07 |
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| oniongarlic | should rtsp streams work? I get nothing when playing with QtMultimedia Audio element. And playing with gst-launch from the cli sort-of works but the sound plays for about 2secs then 5sec silence and so on. Exact same pipeline on desktop on same network plays perfectly. | 11:09 |
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| leszek | oniongarlic: rtsp streams work last time I checked. But it depends on the codecs used | 11:11 |
| oniongarlic | leszek: I suspect that too.. as on desktop faad element is used. On the phone, I don't understand what magic element is used. | 11:12 |
| oniongarlic | codec is AAC | 11:12 |
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| m4g0g | leszek: where I should do thus? | 11:14 |
| m4g0g | this* | 11:14 |
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| oniongarlic | but how does the Audio element play internaly? using gst ? | 11:14 |
| m4g0g | if I set page in initialPage. May be in Component.onCompleted? | 11:14 |
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| leszek | oniongarlic: ok rtsp is not working for me anymore here xD | 11:15 |
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| elenril | in the latest update, what does '* Updated kernel to linux-stable 3.4.87 version' mean? | 11:18 |
| leszek | m4g0g: firstPage.pushAttached . Is your problem maybe that you can't access firstPage ? For that matter see https://github.com/llelectronics/videoPlayer/blob/master/qml/harbour-videoPlayer.qml from line 60. Basically create a Item firstPage in ApplicationWindow and then in initialPage component Component.onComplete assign your firstpage to the applicationWindow item | 11:18 |
| elenril | are you no longer using the android tree? | 11:18 |
| elenril | or it's still android, but based on the newer upstream | 11:19 |
| elenril | and what's up with the kernel sources | 11:19 |
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| Sail0r | Is there a complete description of the database of the calendar? | 11:36 |
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| Sail0r | found it https://github.com/mer-packages/mkcal/blob/master/src/sqlitestorage.h | 11:44 |
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| Dr_Cain | now then, let's try 4G mode | 11:59 |
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| cos- | is there a way to know if i have a 4G subscription? | 12:04 |
| Nicd- | ask your carrier? | 12:04 |
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| cos- | i suppose the "3G" will turn to "4G" in city if i have it | 12:05 |
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| Acce | better check that there aren't any nice "hidden costs" like "if you use 4G but have only 3G subscription, it costs you 5e / MB ..." | 12:07 |
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| Dr_Cain | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/855406670 | 12:09 |
| Dr_Cain | not too shabby | 12:09 |
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| Dr_Cain | cos-: you might need a 4G simcard too | 12:15 |
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| cos- | Dr_Cain: ok.. my sim is at least 5 years old so i probably need to change it | 12:16 |
| Dr_Cain | indeed, I had to change mine too | 12:16 |
| tbr | may or may not, it's hard to know | 12:16 |
| Dr_Cain | easy enough, go into a store and have them replace it, it worked within an hour | 12:16 |
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| nyuszika7h | is it possible to install Sailfish OS on Android devices other than Jolla? I just want to try it | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | yes, nexus 4 | 12:25 |
| nyuszika7h | only? | 12:25 |
| * nyuszika7h has a Nexus 5 | 12:25 | |
| Stskeeps | nexus 5 is coming by community members | 12:26 |
| nyuszika7h | ah | 12:26 |
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| * Dr_Cain wonders how the battery drain will be in 4g mode | 12:34 | |
| Scelt | awful compared to 3G | 12:35 |
| m4g0g | leszek: I can't use pageStack.pushAttached in initial page component. Where I can place this code? | 12:35 |
| leszek | outside it in applicationWindow directly I guess | 12:37 |
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| m4g0g | why friends is not opensource? It uses this and can see there | 12:38 |
| m4g0g | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.sailfishos.devel/2067 - this is discussion with answers | 12:40 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: https://sailfishos.org/presentations/qtdevdays_beijing_2013_jpetrell.pdf | 13:39 |
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| he1kki | Big thanks for latest release guys! Feels like modem -> adsl when I received upgrade to 4G network today! :) | 13:44 |
| he1kki | ... and girls if there is any | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | there's some | 13:45 |
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| m4g0g | coderus: great/ thx | 13:45 |
| SK_work | he1kki: there's iekku \o/ | 13:46 |
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| he1kki | Is there any meaningful difference in battery use if I use VPN tunneling when using shared connection via Jolla? | 14:21 |
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| Wnt | coderus: lol, you were faster to respond :D | 14:37 |
| iekku | he1kki, thanks :) | 14:37 |
| Wnt | (on the mailinglist) | 14:37 |
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| artemma | Performance-wise after update phone seems to be a little faster and freezes somewhat less. Will see how it changes over time | 14:43 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | artemma, i guess the final performance will be with scene graph renderer on qt 5.2 | 14:53 |
| artemma | final? | 14:53 |
| Morpog_PC__ | ultimate :D | 14:53 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | performance goal | 14:54 |
| artemma | you mean some particular graphics pipeline related update is going to come at some point? | 14:54 |
| Morpog_PC__ | i know it | 14:54 |
| Morpog_PC__ | artemma, see here http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/09/02/new-scene-graph-renderer/ | 14:54 |
| artemma | but then my particular phone is known to freeze often. Jolla guys were offering help, I wanted to try update first | 14:54 |
| artemma | I thought Jolla is on 5.2 for a long time already.. | 14:55 |
| Morpog_PC__ | and you can see see in commits in nemomobile repos, that they work hard on it | 14:55 |
| artemma | how do you guys like performance of the updated browser? | 14:55 |
| Morpog_PC__ | artemma, nah, should be 5.1.x still | 14:56 |
| faenil | artemma, nope, not on 5.2 yet, but they've been working on that for a few months already | 14:56 |
| artemma | to me new browser feels a little faster, but everything tab related is slow up to seeing "stopped responding" once in a while | 14:56 |
| Morpog_PC__ | artemma, it's better, but I wait for the new UI, real tabs are great though | 14:56 |
| SK_work | faenil: and a few month more for 5.3 :) | 14:56 |
| faenil | SK_work, you mean they're testing 5.3 already? | 14:56 |
| SK_work | faenil: no :D | 14:57 |
| iekku | community meeting starting in 4 minutes | 14:57 |
| SK_work | just that 5.3 will also take time | 14:57 |
| SK_work | 3 2 1 0 launch ! | 14:57 |
| iekku | at #mer-meeting | 14:57 |
| artemma | and when browser is frozen (for rendering, not my phone's usual freezing), I cannot even swipe it away. Heh, it's a pity Jolla can't use WebKit. WebCat browser based on that is so much more responsive | 14:57 |
| faenil | iekku, holy s*** I completely forgot that! :D thanks! | 14:57 |
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| iekku | faenil, you are welcome :) | 14:58 |
| artemma | though shouldn't ability to swipe app away to task manager be always working regardless of how badly written the app is? | 14:58 |
| Morpog_PC__ | artemma, here sailfish browser is as fast as webcat | 14:58 |
| Morpog_PC__ | and it never freezes | 14:58 |
| Morpog_PC__ | coderus, #mer-meeting now | 14:59 |
| special | artemma: not being able to push it away means the compositor is frozen or under severe load | 14:59 |
| special | if an app freezes you get a little dialog | 14:59 |
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| stephg | PSA weekly Sailfish meeting in #mer-meeting starting now | 15:00 |
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| artemma | Morpog_PC__: I am really-realy surprized to hear that. In my experience long pages with many photos (e.g. typical travel blogger reports) performance-wise are like day and night in sailfish browser compared to webcat | 15:04 |
| tortoisedoc | jeee update! | 15:04 |
| * tortoisedoc loves jolla | 15:04 | |
| tortoisedoc | thanks guys! | 15:04 |
| iekku | tortoisedoc, :) <3 | 15:05 |
| Morpog_PC__ | artemma, maybe a device reset could help? | 15:05 |
| Morpog_PC__ | anyway, will be busy next 60min at #mer-meeting | 15:05 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm hey sailors | 15:07 |
| tortoisedoc | using dbus-monitor | 15:07 |
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| tortoisedoc | i noticed this signal called whenever the home screen changes | 15:07 |
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| tortoisedoc | is there more info available on it or is it cs? | 15:08 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: what do you mean and what do you want ? | 15:08 |
| * tortoisedoc wants 3v3r1th1ng | 15:08 | |
| tortoisedoc | jokes apart | 15:08 |
| tortoisedoc | im talking about a dbus signal | 15:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | com.jolla.lipstick | 15:09 |
| tortoisedoc | it reports a value between 0 and 3 depending on which part of the homescreen you are | 15:09 |
| tortoisedoc | (upon switching) | 15:10 |
| tortoisedoc | is there more documentation on this? | 15:10 |
| special | sounds like internal API | 15:10 |
| tortoisedoc | special : re-dang :| | 15:10 |
| special | nobody will stop you from using it, but it might change or go away | 15:11 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah as usual :/ | 15:11 |
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| special | I know it sort of sucks, but internal API is a useful thing. | 15:12 |
| special | if we published and documented and maintained compatibility for everything, we'd never be able to change anything | 15:12 |
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| tortoisedoc | special : understandable | 15:13 |
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| tortoisedoc | is there a way to detect lock screen? | 15:21 |
| tortoisedoc | (i.e. when phone has lockscreen on) | 15:21 |
| special | you can watch signals from mce | 15:22 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: what's your need ? | 15:22 |
| SK_work | what are you trying to do ? | 15:22 |
| tortoisedoc | to detect when the home screen is on lock screen vs other screens (switchers , apps grid) | 15:23 |
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| tortoisedoc | SK_work : heavy testing going on :P | 15:23 |
| SK_work | :D | 15:23 |
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| special | run as root: dbus-monitor --system and try locking/unlocking | 15:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | ohhh | 15:25 |
| tortoisedoc | I see | 15:25 |
| tortoisedoc | crap this nemo is so handy i forget about devel-su all the time :P | 15:26 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks special! | 15:26 |
| * tortoisedoc owes two already | 15:26 | |
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| netzvieh | coderus: for after the meeting: well it'd be restricted for the beta devs, wouldn't it? I don't see any reason not to have this on sailfish-devel. you might want to have a general ml then though, for not that devvy questions | 15:43 |
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| coderus | netzvieh: we'll see, just i see it as many lines of coding info and so on | 15:46 |
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| Nc_ | any easy ways to see why an app failed to install from the Jolla store? | 16:14 |
| Yaniel | was there a way to reset/recover the security code? | 16:16 |
| Yaniel | or is factory reset the only thing to do there | 16:17 |
| netzvieh | Yaniel: IIRC nope | 16:17 |
| netzvieh | Nc_: hmm maybe logs, or you could install it via zypper/pkcon, that'd give you an error message | 16:18 |
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| Yaniel | journalctl ? | 16:18 |
| Nc_ | netzvieh, hmm... might try pkcon later - really wanting a proper twitter client on my phone :) | 16:20 |
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| Sage_ | Yaniel: that is called security code for a reason, if you forget it the way to get it reset is more or less sending to service | 16:32 |
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| Sage_ | Yaniel: when doing factory reset it resets it however if it is set it asks the code before you can do factory reset | 16:34 |
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| Yaniel | even in recovery mode? | 16:35 |
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| Sail0r | If you exceed the number of tries for the Unlock code, as a security measure, your data becomes inaccessible. You will need to contact Care to have your device reset. | 16:37 |
| Sage_ | Yaniel: yes | 16:38 |
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| Yaniel | okay | 16:38 |
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| locusf | finally a great journalctl with colors!!! | 17:27 |
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| locusf | no buffering issues too, great job Jolla boys and girls :) | 17:27 |
| faenil | :) | 17:28 |
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| Turski | locusf: and on next update we will also have bash on fingerterm execute .bashrc as it's supposed to do !! | 17:29 |
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| carbon_ | Hello community. I would like to be added to the Early Adopters emails for the n4. Carbon@mykolab.com | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: ^ | 17:51 |
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| nyuszika7h | wait, journalctl? systemd? | 18:04 |
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| Turski | nyuszika7h: what about that? | 18:14 |
| nyuszika7h | Sailfish OS uses systemd? | 18:14 |
| Turski | nyuszika7h: sure | 18:14 |
| nyuszika7h | nice | 18:14 |
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| gabriel9 | what element/property is used in sailfish media player for controlls | 18:33 |
| gabriel9 | it is not transparent | 18:33 |
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| gabriel9 | i think it is SilicaFlickable, SilicaListView or SilicaGridView because of pullup menu | 18:35 |
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| Turski | gabriel9: maybe Drawer? | 18:42 |
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| Turski | gabriel9: see the component gallery | 18:43 |
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| Turski | or DockedPanel | 18:44 |
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| gabriel9 | omg | 18:47 |
| gabriel9 | how the hell did i not see that ones | 18:48 |
| gabriel9 | i created all by myself :( | 18:48 |
| Turski | :) | 18:48 |
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| gabriel9 | damnation, still my SilicaListView go over DockedPanel | 19:10 |
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| gabriel9 | i placed SilicaListView and DockedPanel in Page | 19:10 |
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| zoldyck | Is Yandex no longer installed along with Android support? I did a factory reset on Jolla, updated OS and installed Android support. | 19:12 |
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| flux | that is correct. this also means yuo can remove it without removing android support. | 19:13 |
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| sledges | carbon's in | 19:23 |
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| cos- | should sending files via bt work? | 19:26 |
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| gabriel9 | can someone test this code: http://paste.kde.org/pyy66jpco | 19:57 |
| gabriel9 | list items are passing through boundaries | 19:57 |
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| gabriel9 | is this bug? or feature :) | 19:57 |
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| FireFly | <Turski> locusf: and on next update we will also have bash on fingerterm execute .bashrc as it's supposed to do !! ← ! | 20:03 |
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| FireFly | Turski: what about updating fingerterm to a newer version? | 20:03 |
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| Turski | FireFly: ? | 20:04 |
| Turski | FireFly: that's not fingerterm related | 20:05 |
| stephg | FireFly: guess we'll see what that looks like when the next N4 image lands | 20:05 |
| stephg | (new fingerterm I mean) | 20:05 |
| FireFly | Turski: I know, but I added support for some escape sequences a few months ago | 20:06 |
| FireFly | would be nice to not have to override the fingerterm binary after each update :D | 20:06 |
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| Turski | FireFly: so you're talking about silica version of fingerterm? | 20:06 |
| FireFly | I guess. the nemomobile/fingerterm repo on github, the /usr/bin/fingerterm on jolla | 20:07 |
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| Turski | ok, that's not silica version | 20:07 |
| FireFly | Oh | 20:07 |
| Turski | i think | 20:07 |
| FireFly | There's a new version in the works? | 20:07 |
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| FireFly | Ah, it's not all that important anyway (what I asked for, I mean) | 20:08 |
| stephg | the one on the n4 is the new silica one yeah | 20:08 |
| Turski | FireFly: oh, looks like there's just a silica branch on that repo | 20:08 |
| gabriel9 | guys, can someone check my codez :) I am going crazy for the last 3h | 20:08 |
| gabriel9 | please | 20:08 |
| coderus | SailfishOS folder patch: http://i.imgur.com/SCgK08i.png http://i.imgur.com/v5FMEqi.png | 20:11 |
| gabriel9 | coderus: nice one | 20:11 |
| Turski | coderus: well, that didn't take long... and looks nice | 20:11 |
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| FireFly | ! neat | 20:12 |
| Merbot | FireFly: Error: "neat" is not a valid command. | 20:12 |
| stephg | oh that's niiiiice coderus | 20:12 |
| FireFly | oops | 20:12 |
| coderus | gabriel9: what problem? | 20:12 |
| FireFly | coderus: what happens when there's >4 apps within a folder? | 20:12 |
| Morpog_PC__ | FireFly, I guess the same as on n9 :D | 20:13 |
| coderus | FireFly: only first 4 are showed | 20:13 |
| FireFly | Ah | 20:13 |
| gabriel9 | Items in list go outside boundaries | 20:13 |
| gabriel9 | over DockedPanel element | 20:13 |
| FireFly | Maybe replacing the bottom-right one with three dots would be an idea | 20:13 |
| FireFly | To indicate "there's more than what's shown" | 20:13 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | but only if it's more than 4 | 20:14 |
| gabriel9 | or maybe to add just top of the next row | 20:14 |
| gabriel9 | like on N9 | 20:14 |
| gabriel9 | you can see next row of icons just a little bit | 20:14 |
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| coderus | gabriel9: in which orientation they are outside? | 20:16 |
| gabriel9 | portrait | 20:16 |
| gabriel9 | only if DockedPanel is beneath SilicaListView | 20:17 |
| coderus | gabriel9: you using column | 20:17 |
| coderus | gabriel9: why you think it should fit horizontal layout? :) | 20:17 |
| Morpog_PC__ | coderus, a white rectangle with opacity 0.1 behind the folder icons could look great | 20:18 |
| gabriel9 | i am so sorry, i dont get it :( | 20:19 |
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| gabriel9 | i removed Column from DockedPanel, and it is the same. I can see VerticalDecorator boundary. And some items from SilicaListView are outside when i scroll list | 20:20 |
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| gabriel9 | i tried my own custom component and it did not work, then one of the nice dudes told me that i should use DockedPanel. Same results | 20:23 |
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| ejjoman | coderus: I need this patch o.o | 20:26 |
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| coderus | gabriel9: what you want to achieve? | 20:29 |
| gabriel9 | can you run that code? | 20:30 |
| gabriel9 | my desire si that SilicaListView items dont go outside SilicaListView | 20:31 |
| coderus | gabriel9: clip: true | 20:31 |
| gabriel9 | i see them on DockedPanel | 20:31 |
| gabriel9 | now i want to kill someone | 20:32 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 20:32 |
| gabriel9 | i want that | 20:32 |
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| gabriel9 | thank you coderus, and step aside. I will find that one who writes docs for sailfish silica and kill him :) | 20:33 |
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| scharel | gabriel9: i looked at youre code and tried clip:true in dock, didn't help | 20:34 |
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| gabriel9 | it works for me | 20:34 |
| scharel | oh yes, must be in ListView ;) | 20:34 |
| gabriel9 | yea, i am in pain | 20:35 |
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| scharel | I had something similar in an app, with a flickable in flickable, there clip:true helped too | 20:35 |
| gabriel9 | coderus: спасибо | 20:36 |
| gabriel9 | qml is great, but docs and examples are pain | 20:36 |
| gabriel9 | http://www.quickmeme.com/img/b6/b62399c89694f700a02f714b237eeecd65aca009e67fdf2c892c8dca283d0f8f.jpg | 20:37 |
| coderus | gabriel9: its common Item property. All QML items have this property. Same as width and height, x and y. Nobody write about these properties in docs. | 20:37 |
| gabriel9 | all should be in docs | 20:37 |
| gabriel9 | and option to hide inherited | 20:37 |
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| gabriel9 | I don't know did enyone worked on ExtJS, best docs | 20:38 |
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| scharel | These are the usual annoying little things you spend lots of time at the beginning but after that you know it and next time everithing is better | 20:40 |
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| coderus | gabriel9: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtquick-item.html | 20:41 |
| coderus | gabriel9: and low look at this: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtquick-listview-members.html | 20:43 |
| coderus | gabriel9: clip property is here | 20:43 |
| gabriel9 | thanks | 20:43 |
| gabriel9 | i searched overflow :O | 20:44 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC__: it looks better w/o background imho: http://i.imgur.com/c8cmn36.png | 20:51 |
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| stephg | the squares do look a bit ugly, if they weren't square? | 20:54 |
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| faenil | I'm getting so angry at Skype | 20:55 |
| faenil | it's freaking not working | 20:55 |
| faenil | ARGH! | 20:55 |
| stephg | when does Skype ever work | 20:56 |
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| coderus | white transparent looks better: http://i.imgur.com/in4Lg6q.png | 20:58 |
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| coderus | and i dont think "more" indicator is necessary | 21:01 |
| coderus | its your phone | 21:02 |
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| coderus | you should know how many icons you have in folder | 21:02 |
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| chem|st | coderus: ehrm I got frenzy when I started using folders... | 21:05 |
| chem|st | I created like 6 folders (just like on the n9) and tried sorting them by icons as you do not have any chance to guess which is which while in editor mode ^_^ bad | 21:05 |
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| stephg | chem|st: yeah, also the max 12 icons before it starts to scroll confused the hell out of me | 21:06 |
| stephg | s/12/16/ | 21:06 |
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| chem|st | well I never get to 16 icons... | 21:07 |
| chem|st | I have sane categories | 21:07 |
| stephg | well if you do you'll wonder where 17 goes when you add it ;) | 21:07 |
| coderus | i have 42 games in folder :) | 21:07 |
| chem|st | imagine 8 categories with 16 each, that is alot of programs I never use and could just uninstall | 21:08 |
| chem|st | coderus: ok thats valid^^ | 21:08 |
| coderus | i'm installing almost every free app of the day from amazon app store :) | 21:08 |
| chem|st | but I have categories like location, math&converters, media, mediaremotes, stores, utils, etc | 21:09 |
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| coderus | chem|st: look at my screens :) | 21:10 |
| chem|st | hmm sane! | 21:11 |
| chem|st | coderus: are you from austria? | 21:11 |
| coderus | no :) | 21:11 |
| chem|st | or some around it? | 21:11 |
| coderus | i'm from russia :) | 21:11 |
| chem|st | the banking logo... I am so used to only see it in hungary and austria | 21:12 |
| coderus | its Raiffeisen bank | 21:12 |
| chem|st | yeah | 21:12 |
| coderus | we're like that bank in russia :D | 21:13 |
| chem|st | ok so you suggest dimmed background? | 21:13 |
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| coderus | no, i like no background :) | 21:13 |
| chem|st | I'd like a cut shape glassy | 21:14 |
| ejjoman | coderus: I just saw, that you had the same problem like me now with Silica's SearchField losing focus: https://together.jolla.com/question/37278/searchfield-losing-focus-when-placed-in-silicalistview-header/ | 21:14 |
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| chem|st | raiffeisen is that popular in russia? | 21:14 |
| ejjoman | coderus: how did you solve it? | 21:14 |
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| chem|st | well it is called volksbank&raiffeisen for some decades now in germany | 21:15 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I dunno if is appropiate here ornot | 21:15 |
| coderus | ejjoman: currentIndex: -1 | 21:15 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Websocket and power consumption, anyone? | 21:15 |
| ParkerR | According to the blog everything but camera is working on the 2012 nexus 7 (grouper). Is there any download link for this? I would love to try it out. | 21:15 |
| ejjoman | coderus: i set currentIndex: -1 on SilicaListView, but it does not work :( | 21:15 |
| chem|st | ParkerR: send sledges your credentials and devices you like to beta test | 21:16 |
| coderus | ejjoman: show your code | 21:16 |
| ParkerR | Are credentials anything special or just email/device? | 21:16 |
| stephg | just that really | 21:17 |
| ejjoman | coderus: one moment... i'll test one last thing... | 21:17 |
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| artemma | chem|st: I've seen iPhone ppl with several screens full with just folders, each of them full. That's something like 150-300 apps :) | 21:25 |
| ejjoman | coderus: http://pastebin.com/Qrd1EF96 | 21:25 |
| ejjoman | now I get error: Invalid alias reference. Unable to find id "headerItem" | 21:26 |
| * artemma now also understands why iOS hard limits number of apps per folder to 9 - that makes all of them visible and sorta recognizable in the folder thumbnail | 21:26 | |
| ejjoman | with the column at the bottom, that i commented out, it worked - except for focus stealing :/ | 21:26 |
| coderus | ejjoman: tip: Silica have own Formatter | 21:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Artemma ios user install apps due deal of the day | 21:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Real usage is under 10% | 21:28 |
| dr_gogeta86 | The rest | 21:28 |
| coderus | for headerItem you should declare it and set headerItem = searchField in searchfield onCompleted | 21:28 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Is the same things you use on jolla | 21:28 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Browser,youtube,twitter,im | 21:28 |
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| artemma | ppl still install apps "just in case" :) | 21:29 |
| ejjoman | i will try that - not well documented at all... | 21:29 |
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| ejjoman | for Formatter: Yes, I know (even if I could not find any docs for it, also) - but I use custom logic for it... in this page it is not even used, just forgot to remove it while copying :) | 21:32 |
| coderus | just check SailfishOS/mersdk/targets/SailfishOS-armv7hl/usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/plugins.qmltypes | 21:33 |
| chem|st | artemma: friends showes a picture of three of their phones on the table, caption said something like "20k euro in apps" | 21:33 |
| coderus | ejjoman: try to move searchfield out of header, just for test if focus still loosing | 21:34 |
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| ejjoman | coderus: wow there is a "documentation" :D thank you! | 21:34 |
| coderus | ejjoman: :D | 21:35 |
| ejjoman | it did not even work in header... i contantly get reference errors. when i use the column on the bottom, it works (no errors + layout is fine) but then it loses focus :( | 21:36 |
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| coderus | ejjoman: try to add in page onStatusChanged: { if searchPage.status == PageStatus.active { searchPage.forceActiveFocus() } } | 21:38 |
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| ejjoman | coderus: build and deployment needs ages every time :/ | 21:39 |
| coderus | ejjoman: i'm just using sftp to phone, and didnt rebuild project on every qml change :D | 21:40 |
| artemma | there was some blog entry on speeding up pure qml development cycle to seconds with enter. or enterd? | 21:41 |
| artemma | Basically it was about mapping qml folder from device to desktop and auto-restarting app whenever qml was changed | 21:42 |
| * artemma hopes to see something like that as a part of SDK one day | 21:43 | |
| ejjoman | yes, i am just too lazy to look into it... when i remember right, that was not a problem in N9 times | 21:44 |
| artemma | maybe n9 apps were just faster to package/install? | 21:44 |
| * artemma doesn't remember anymore | 21:44 | |
| coderus | n9 apps are hell slow to install/remove :D | 21:44 |
| coderus | ejjoman: mean building probably | 21:45 |
| coderus | for me building is very fast for sailfish | 21:45 |
| ejjoman | so, this works without any errors and layout is looking good: http://pastebin.com/dxuC3BGV | 21:45 |
| coderus | maybe because i'm using sdk under chroot in my linux, not using vm | 21:45 |
| ejjoman | but there it loses focus all the time :D | 21:45 |
| artemma | ah, now I remember, most of my n9 development was pure qml and it was running in desktop as well. It's a pity there's no even half-working Silica for desktop | 21:46 |
| ejjoman | coderus: yes, that is what my next project is :D how long did it took to move it from vm to local machine? | 21:46 |
| coderus | ejjoman: try this: http://pastebin.com/UhKYkbnV | 21:47 |
| artemma | though there is project by M4rtinK I think that lets you map (some?) Silica controls to QtQuick Controls. Should be runnable from desktop as well | 21:47 |
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| ejjoman | thank you, i will try that, once the deployment has finished again -.- | 21:48 |
| coderus | interesting idea by JollaSpain: http://i.imgur.com/OP6Yauv.png | 21:49 |
| M4rtinK | artemma: there it is https://github.com/M4rtinK/universal-components | 21:49 |
| M4rtinK | and you can check the modRana QML GUI to see how it can be used: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/tree/master/modules/gui_modules/gui_qt5/qml | 21:50 |
| artemma | coderus: Looks quite similar to iOS idea by Jony Ive :) Not that it makes it bad certainly | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | and artemma promised to write a simple example application :P | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: well, this is basically how it works on Harmattan | 21:51 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: I was thinking about it. But I do not do any SailfishOS development lately - so no new proects to try that in greenfield | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: you you get an idea what is in the folder | 21:51 |
| ejjoman | coderus: looks good :) are the icons good-looking on-screen? | 21:51 |
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| M4rtinK | no idea why the did not do it - aesthetic matter or maybe some patents ? | 21:52 |
| * artemma suddenly got excited when noticed Flashligh app icon in JollaSpain concept screenshot | 21:52 | |
| artemma | M4rtinK: I would guess it's just more work. I would also guess they are going to implement it in the future | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK | hopefully | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK | well, you can kinda get used to the icons you can configure now | 21:53 |
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| M4rtinK | but it is not very intuitive | 21:53 |
| artemma | and, hmm, interested ppl probably can contribute as well. IIRC that's just lipstick launcher that is public | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | but at least we finally have those folders :) | 21:54 |
| artemma | I mean open sourced in nemo | 21:54 |
| ejjoman | coderus: it does not work :( loses focus all the time :/ | 21:54 |
| coderus | ejjoman: can you make test case without your model, but some standart, check if it loosing focus, and share? | 21:55 |
| * ejjoman needs more coffee and cigarettes before fighting against silica | 21:56 | |
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| ejjoman | okay, i will try that | 22:02 |
| ejjoman | so, i took the model from silica searchfield docs example... | 22:04 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | coderus, true | 22:05 |
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| wazd | What if you'd be able to put EMOJI symbol onto the folder icon in sailfish? | 22:09 |
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| stephg | wazd: someone's done that with the icon text already | 22:10 |
| ejjoman | coderus: strange, that does work... http://pastebin.com/in6y1pK8 | 22:10 |
| wazd | stephg: yeah, that was actually what gave me that idea :P | 22:11 |
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| wazd | stephg: but proper emoji icon, how cool is that? | 22:11 |
| stephg | hehe | 22:11 |
| wazd | stephg: and I think it's a matter of a few lines of code | 22:12 |
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| coderus | wazd: what you mean? install emoji keyboard and put emoji where you want | 22:13 |
| coderus | ejjoman: thats i supposed :) | 22:14 |
| coderus | something wrong with your model | 22:14 |
| coderus | seems it rebinded every time, not updated | 22:14 |
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| ejjoman | coderus: the model is generated from QxOrm, which accesses data from sqlite... i had the same problem while using generic Qt QSqlTableModel (and others) :/ | 22:17 |
| wazd | coderus: can you do something like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/emojifish1.png | 22:17 |
| wazd | coderus: see "openrepos" | 22:17 |
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| wazd | oh, the number shows app count in the folder. Why would you ever need that? | 22:21 |
| coderus | wazd: emoji are images, make icon you want :) | 22:21 |
| wazd | coderus: I'm just not familliar, can you assign a costom icon to the folder? | 22:21 |
| wazd | coderus: not from a list of pre-defined, but custom | 22:22 |
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| ejjoman | coderus: okay, i got it... jolla hackers themselves use another workarround... see /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Contacts/ContactBrowser.qml @ line 289 | 22:25 |
| ejjoman | focusOutBehavior: FocusBehavior.KeepFocus | 22:25 |
| coderus | its edge workaround ;) | 22:26 |
| coderus | if you do something wrong you cant clear focus :D | 22:26 |
| ejjoman | it is the only hack that works... sad but true :/ | 22:28 |
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| coderus | wazd: ~/.config/lipstick | 22:29 |
| coderus | set icon you want | 22:29 |
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| ejjoman | coderus: thank you for your help :) | 22:40 |
| coderus | ejjoman: its good you have a solution now, but you found that yourself :) | 22:44 |
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| chem|st | so what do I need to alter coderus to get the icons instead for the folders in launcher-page? | 22:51 |
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| coderus | chem|st: it will be released as patch for patchmanager later, i hope :) | 22:53 |
| Dr_Cain | Thanks for fixing the brightness issue, the phone is now usable in bed again :) | 22:54 |
| coderus | time to sleep now, bye | 22:54 |
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| Dr_Cain | Indeed | 22:55 |
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