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| coderus | rainemak: latest browser git require embedlite-components-qt5 >= 1.6.4 but nemo-latest-mw provides 1.6.3 | 04:28 |
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| rainemak | coderus, morning | 06:51 |
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| rainemak | coderus, will check that... one sec. If you have changes, you can compile rpm package of embedlite-components. Repo git clone git@github.com:nemomobile-packages/embedlite-components.git and git checkout nemo/1.6.4 and build embedlite-components-qt5.spec | 06:55 |
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| rainemak | coderus, you can even downgrade Requires to 1.6.3 ... delta small and you'd miss only filtered file input options (accept="audio/*", etc) | 06:59 |
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| rainemak | delta is small | 06:59 |
| rainemak | coderus, plus multi and single selection of files | 07:00 |
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| tortoisedoc | hoihoi | 07:05 |
| tortoisedoc | what is the preferred qml way to handle gestures on sailfishos? | 07:05 |
| tortoisedoc | it seems qt gestures module is not provided | 07:06 |
| _inte_ | hello folks, can someone tell me why there is a .vault folder in my homedir of 1,6GB(!!) and if I could safely delete it? Thanks! | 07:06 |
| Nicd- | .vault is for backups | 07:06 |
| Nicd- | that you do from settings -> system -> backup | 07:06 |
| _inte_ | Nicd ah cool thanks | 07:06 |
| flux | btw, does it work to delete old backups? | 07:07 |
| flux | I just wonder as I thought it generally doesn't work with git, removing stuff to make more space | 07:07 |
| _inte_ | i'd rather copy my backups to sd before delting them | 07:07 |
| _inte_ | :) | 07:07 |
| _inte_ | thanks again! | 07:07 |
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| coderus | rainemak: hm. thanks, i'll build it :) | 07:09 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: what gestures? | 07:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | coderus : swiping for example | 07:10 |
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| Dr_Cain | So, what's new in the android support update? | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | it fixes a bug related to timezones | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 07:15 |
| Nicd- | maybe jolla guys should've written someting in the harbour changelog :P | 07:15 |
| Dr_Cain | That they could've | 07:15 |
| kimmoli | who uses the android support anyways :p | 07:17 |
| Nicd- | I need it for my banking app | 07:17 |
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| flux | also for my lunch benefits app. | 07:18 |
| flux | and playing di.fm nicely. well, I would, if the sound would work :P. (haven't rebooted to see if it would help) | 07:18 |
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| pyksy | flux: i'm curious: what's the benefit of using the di.fm app instead of just playing the shoutcast stream with your favorite mp3 player? | 07:29 |
| coderus | i have kernel exception when starting android bbm | 07:29 |
| Dr_Cain | I use it for dsub (subsonic client) and tapchat | 07:29 |
| flux | well, simple switching of channels for one | 07:29 |
| Dr_Cain | and banking app | 07:29 |
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| flux | I actually pay di.fm some money, so I get the quality streams without advertisements | 07:30 |
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| pyksy | flux: me too | 07:30 |
| flux | I probably would need to feed those channels manually to my favorite mp3 player | 07:30 |
| flux | I've actually done it, but the app seems to work nicer | 07:30 |
| Dr_Cain | it would be nice if all the android apps could get one tile each | 07:30 |
| Dr_Cain | instead of falling back to the android switcher | 07:30 |
| pyksy | flux: but i understand now, personally i think i've never listened to anything else than the trance channel | 07:30 |
| coderus | Dr_Cain: it planned to next update | 07:30 |
| Dr_Cain | oh wow, nice! | 07:31 |
| flux | though the app could easily be better | 07:31 |
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| flux | so in fact one day I might find a superior sailfish app for that :) | 07:31 |
| flux | (I would like swiping to switch channels) | 07:31 |
| flux | pyksy, I think you're missing out ;) | 07:31 |
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| pyksy | flux: yeah probably :) | 07:33 |
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| coderus | rainemak: is there any ban for publishing nightly build os sailfish-browser | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's open source, why would there be? | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | own responsibility if it screws your OS though | 07:34 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: i never agree is browser can break your OS somehow :D | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: hello, meet internet explorer.. | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:36 |
| SK_work | :P | 07:37 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: well, ie is provider for services in windows, is sf its just btowser for now :) | 07:38 |
| special | ..why the hell does my IRC client have a keyboard shortcut for "duplicate this entire network and all of its channels" | 07:38 |
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| Stskeeps | special: troll mode? | 07:41 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: okay, i'll create sailfish-browser repo on openrepos and post nightly versions here :) | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | just remember it's multiple components | 07:43 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: i know :) | 07:43 |
| coderus | i worked with embedlite with harmattan | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 07:44 |
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| coderus | embedlite repo still have some my patches to engine and components :) | 07:44 |
| coderus | i wanted to get work in Jolla as browser engineer, but you know what happened :) | 07:45 |
| SK_work | coderus: <3 | 07:45 |
| * coderus built sailfish-browser with text selection features. | 07:46 | |
| * coderus happy | 07:46 | |
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| peppelakappa | great coderus, waiting for your repo :) | 07:55 |
| Morpog_PC__ | coderus, which branhc did you build? update8 or master? | 07:55 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | ah well, you said nightly, so should be master then + that PR for text selecting | 07:58 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | nice, launcher icons, harmattan style :D | 08:01 |
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| deztructor | flux: freeing space on deleting backups from .vault is not implemented now but it is planned to be implemented | 08:40 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | deztructor, btw, two bugs I dislike about the SDCard backup copy | 08:50 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | you can do a copy even you don't have made a backup at all | 08:50 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | And the other bug is that it overwrites a copy on the sdcard if I redoe a copy. It should warn and ask to rename or overwrite. | 08:51 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Oh and maybe the Backup should warn people that by default it's only saved on the internal space. | 08:51 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC__: right | 08:59 |
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| flux | morpog_pc__, well, typically redoing the transfer transfers all the backups that were there in the first place.. but I suppose a more safe approach would be renaming the old backups to another name before doing it. | 09:01 |
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| flux | an even another alternative would be having another git repository in the sd card | 09:01 |
| Morpog_PC__ | flux, sure, but maybe I have deleted all backups first on internal to free up space | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | doesn't it just tar-gzip the git repo and transfer it on the card? | 09:02 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Nicd-, yes | 09:02 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | flux, yes, having the option to use only a git repository on the sdcard would be great | 09:03 |
| Morpog_PC__ | internal memory isn't the biggest one | 09:03 |
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| flux | also next up, git push to a git ssh remote ;) | 09:04 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | sound goos for usb networking | 09:05 |
| Morpog_PC__ | good | 09:05 |
| Morpog_PC__ | sounds horrible over wifi :D | 09:05 |
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| * Morpog_PC__ hopes deztructor reads silently | 09:06 | |
| flux | why does it sound horrible over wifi? | 09:06 |
| flux | it takes some time, but it doesn't really transfer anything it doesn't need to. | 09:07 |
| Morpog_PC__ | because my wifi reception is crap in my house | 09:07 |
| flux | my wifi isn't that fast either, but I could easily transfer everything overnight while charging. | 09:07 |
| flux | actually it probably took an hour or so | 09:07 |
| deztructor | Morpog_PC__: I will take it into account, while some remarks: (rewrite on sd) - using different name complicates things, warning if rewriting - looks fine | 09:07 |
| flux | I've actually never hooked my jolla to my PC and I wonder if I ever will | 09:07 |
| Morpog_PC__ | thx for that deztructor | 09:08 |
| deztructor | (internal): find a place in the UI to fit it :) also I have in my todo list support for direct backups to sd | 09:08 |
| flux | btw, when doing backups to the sd it might be a fantastic idea to run the git repository checking after the fact | 09:09 |
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| deztructor | the-vault/vault is FOSS project ;) | 09:09 |
| Morpog_PC__ | worried about worn out flash? | 09:09 |
| flux | morpog_pc__, you've never had an SD let you down? | 09:10 |
| Morpog_PC__ | not yet | 09:10 |
| Morpog_PC__ | also my SSD's are pretty stable | 09:10 |
| flux | well, ssds are a completely different ballgame, though I've had two kingstons fail on me. | 09:10 |
| Morpog_PC__ | written 23TB to my HTPC SSD and it's still rock solid | 09:10 |
| flux | curiously the ocz has done fine even if it has dubious reputation | 09:11 |
| flux | and I have probebly four or so dead usb sticks | 09:12 |
| peppelakappa | ocz was the best ssd brand until samsung released 840 pros imho | 09:12 |
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| Nightmare__ | http://techreport.com/review/26523/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-casualties-on-the-way-to-a-petabyte | 09:12 |
| flux | for backups it would be preferable to notice errors early rather than on the restore stage | 09:12 |
| Nightmare__ | they las longer than i ever expected | 09:13 |
| flux | because the moment you need to do full restore, you no longer have a backup, you have your only copy there :) | 09:13 |
| Morpog_PC__ | flux, right | 09:14 |
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| coderus | property alias borderColor: rectangle.border.color | 09:46 |
| coderus | QML error: Invalid alias location | 09:46 |
| coderus | wtf? | 09:46 |
| coderus | peppelakappa: ocz best brand wasnt best quality drives :) | 09:47 |
| Nicd- | coderus: where did you put the alias? | 09:47 |
| coderus | Nicd-: in root item | 09:47 |
| Nicd- | would be better if you gisted the whole file | 09:50 |
| Nicd- | not sure if I can help you but others might be able to | 09:50 |
| coderus | Item { property alias borderColor: rect.botder.color; Rectangle { id: rect } } | 09:51 |
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| carepack | hi | 10:26 |
| SK_work | hi carepack | 10:27 |
| carepack | all fine? | 10:27 |
| SK_work | toe: ) | 10:27 |
| SK_work | yep :) | 10:27 |
| carepack | :-) | 10:27 |
| carepack | good | 10:27 |
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| carepack | whats going on today? | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Price15x: btw, not sure if i told, but we had to postpone n4 release to monday | 11:07 |
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| Price15x | Stskeeps: why what happened? | 11:08 |
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| Price15x | Plus thanks for answering the question that has been | 11:08 |
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| Price15x | on my mind for sometime | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | Price15x: we changed around some store side infra earlier in the week and had to throw out our testing run of it cos of that | 11:10 |
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| Price15x | Stskeeps: well thats okay I guess does this mean that there will be new bugs and more testing | 11:11 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, so we had to add some time to verify that part again | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | but monday shouuld be fine | 11:13 |
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| Price15x | Stskeeps: if you need betatesters let me know ;) | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | happen to have a jolla device too? | 11:23 |
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| Price15x | well as long as you guys develop for nexus 4 I can help :) but still it would be cool to have a jolla sell in India | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:26 |
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| walokra | can you disable the Quick scrolling feature (if you have developed own version for that purpose) | 15:31 |
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| coderus | walokra: why you want to disable so nice buttons? | 15:32 |
| coderus | walokra: its better to override actions invoked by quickscroll | 15:32 |
| walokra | they are not so nice, imo | 15:32 |
| walokra | well, have to see. maybe I follow the "main stream" with it | 15:36 |
| coderus | walokra: show your own, we'll check :) | 15:38 |
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| walokra | in e.g. sailimgur | 15:48 |
| walokra | it's the same quick scrolling as in some other apps | 15:48 |
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| ionstorm | where can I find sailfishos kernel source? i'd like to compile it with kexec hardboot patch so we can get more people running this and testing it with multirom | 18:20 |
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| cameris | I subclassed QAbstractListModel with setData and flags. But I can't assing values to roles e.g. 'delegate: Item { onClicked: { someRole = "change to this } }'. Do I need to implement more functions for the model to be editable? The docs don't mention any more. | 18:22 |
| coderus | cameris: model presenting read-only data. you should create your own data setters for changing model contents. | 18:30 |
| cameris | but why is the setData mentioned in the docs then? | 18:30 |
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| jpnurmi | cameris: are you sure you don't have property names or such that could conflict with someRole? | 18:36 |
| jpnurmi | cameris: it should work just fine | 18:37 |
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| cameris | hmm, didn't think of that. how would I specify this then? model.(????).someRole | 18:38 |
| jpnurmi | "model.someRole = foo" | 18:38 |
| cameris | jpnurmi: thx! will try. | 18:40 |
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| cameris | Another thing. I have implemented reordering for my QAbstractListModel subclass. Ofc it calls beginMoveRows/endMoveRows at some point to inform the view of the changes. If I now want to implement a swap function, is there a way to avoid going down the layoutAboutToBeChanged/changePersistentIndex road? | 18:46 |
| special | it's fastest to implement a swap as two moves | 18:48 |
| special | *or*, if you're okay with it being slightly unclean, you can simply swap the data and emit dataChanged on both. But that might cause problems with your delegates. | 18:49 |
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| cameris | but a move updates all the items inbetween, as far as I understood. Or does the view just move the displayed Items position accordingly? | 18:51 |
| special | they are repositioned | 18:53 |
| cameris | nice, so 2 moves it is. thx! | 18:53 |
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| flux | pyksy, for example psychill about now is decent ;-) | 19:06 |
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| cvp_ | http://i59.tinypic.com/1zh3b7m.jpg | 19:53 |
| cvp_ | :P | 19:53 |
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| special | cvp_: telepathy-haze? | 19:54 |
| cvp_ | no nothing, only add a service file and png :p | 19:55 |
| cvp_ | but i read and want understand how it works with telpathy-haze | 19:56 |
| special | you're halfway* there! | 19:56 |
| cvp_ | i dont think so :D | 19:57 |
| cvp_ | what exactly is gabber.manager ? | 19:58 |
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| special | gabble.manager? | 19:58 |
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| special | gabble is the telepathy CM for XMPP/jabber | 19:59 |
| special | you don't need to worry about the telepathy side of things, including the connection manager definitions. ICQ would just use telepathy-haze | 19:59 |
| special | also, people still use ICQ? | 20:00 |
| zoldyck | oldfags only :) | 20:01 |
| cvp_ | hehe, only for one or two guys :) | 20:01 |
| cvp_ | but nice to have the option to add in sailfish ;) | 20:02 |
| M4rtinK | well, even here in the Czech Republic it is pretty much dead | 20:02 |
| M4rtinK | was still big a few years ago | 20:03 |
| cvp_ | same like in germany | 20:03 |
| special | I would go about it by: 1) Get an account set up and connecting with telepathy; look for instructions with mc-tool and make sure you have telepathy-haze installed. Don't worry about UI integration for that part, just get mc-tool to show it connected somehow | 20:03 |
| M4rtinK | unfortunately most people migrated to Facebook, Wahtsapp, Wiber and or similar garbage so the situation is not much better now :) | 20:03 |
| special | then 2) go off of the jabber files under /usr/share/accounts/ to make provider/service definitions, and notice how the telepathy parameters are defined there | 20:03 |
| special | then 3) lots of slightly crazy undocumented UI stuff to integrate with settings | 20:04 |
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| zoldyck | XMPP is flawed (XEP hell and bad streaming handle), SIP has no encryption (at least the providers and software that I use) | 20:06 |
| zoldyck | we need new protocols :) | 20:06 |
| special | and most of the new protocols are centralized because somebody wants to make a business model out of IM apps with privacy buzzwords | 20:07 |
| special | centralized and closed, I should say | 20:07 |
| coderus | i'm planning to create account managers for all libpurple protocols | 20:08 |
| coderus | but i can also participate if somebody create it before :) | 20:08 |
| special | somebody should | 20:08 |
| cvp_ | can i take the telepathy-haze file from from meego ? | 20:08 |
| special | does 'pkcon install telepathy-haze' work? | 20:08 |
| coderus | as it was me who intensively asked for including libpurple in repos :D | 20:09 |
| * special can't keep track of what went into which update | 20:09 | |
| Aard | I think it came with u7 | 20:09 |
| Aard | let me check | 20:09 |
| coderus | libpurple and telepathy-haze are in repos already | 20:09 |
| special | Aard: I could always check, but it's much easier to get them to check ;) | 20:09 |
| cvp_ | spezial yes pkcon install telepathy-haze work but need more than this | 20:10 |
| special | what else? | 20:10 |
| cvp_ | moment | 20:10 |
| coderus | mc-tool or create account plugins for protocol | 20:10 |
| coderus | its easy :) | 20:10 |
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| cvp_ | libpurple-2.10.9-1.1.1.armv7hllibpurple library for IM clients like Pidgin and Finch | 20:11 |
| cvp_ | telepathy-haze-0.8.0-1.1.1.armv7hlA multi-protocol Libpurple connection manager for Telepathy | 20:11 |
| cvp_ | but ask me if i want to install | 20:12 |
| cvp_ | i mean, there ask me if i want do it with change: y/n | 20:12 |
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| special | yes, those are what you need | 20:13 |
| special | installing them won't change anything or do anything unless there are accounts set up | 20:13 |
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| cvp_ | ok is installed | 20:13 |
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| coderus | cvp_: you wanna icq to jolla? | 20:15 |
| coderus | i'll make it for you tomorrow | 20:15 |
| coderus | but i need to sleep now :) | 20:15 |
| cvp_ | :) i want more than icq :D | 20:16 |
| cvp_ | good night :) | 20:16 |
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| coderus | i'll make all haze accounts for beginning | 20:17 |
| coderus | everything was in Extraplugins for harmattan :) | 20:17 |
| djuken | is it possible to buy jolla online and ship it here n qatar? | 20:17 |
| cvp_ | coderus, i will love you if you do that :) | 20:18 |
| coderus | ping me tomorrow evening if i forget or be in rush of my common work | 20:18 |
| cvp_ | ok doki | 20:19 |
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| cvp_ | is it possible to send files with telepathy-haze ? | 20:28 |
| cvp_ | or only text? | 20:28 |
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| cvp_ | good night | 21:13 |
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| stephg | evening all | 21:24 |
| peppelakappa | hi stephg | 21:25 |
| sledges | hoyla | 21:26 |
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| jake9xx | thp: hey.. you did some fancy game stuff right? You or someone might wanna look at porting UR4 for Sailfish.. it's OSS u know... We (Unity) are not.. | 22:44 |
| entil | jake9xx: unity's not even linux ;P | 22:51 |
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| entil | which makes a ton of sense for obvious reasons | 22:58 |
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| jake9xx | entil: I belive you talk about Unity3D, the game engine, right? | 23:05 |
| entil | is that not it? | 23:05 |
| entil | what you're talking about? | 23:06 |
| jake9xx | yes, our SDK is not running on linux, but idea of porting was not the SDK, it was about the runtime | 23:06 |
| entil | myeah | 23:06 |
| entil | well, it's nice that unity3d can build linux binaries | 23:07 |
| jake9xx | the same analogy and painpoints that you'll address in UR4 integration are the same that will be there for our engine as well | 23:07 |
| jake9xx | so, someone might give it a go | 23:07 |
| entil | I'm not sure what UR4 is... thought unreal at first, but that's probably not it | 23:08 |
| jake9xx | it's exactly that | 23:08 |
| entil | oh | 23:08 |
| jake9xx | Epic released UR4 as OSS | 23:08 |
| entil | it's called UR4? not UE4? :D | 23:08 |
| entil | ok, I stand corrected | 23:08 |
| entil | I don't follow the scene much... I watched unity3d tutorials when I was thinking about game development, but I can't take the risk in my life to change professions like that | 23:09 |
| jake9xx | I did :) | 23:09 |
| entil | maybe I will some year | 23:09 |
| jake9xx | well, I've been a sucker for graphics animations all my life | 23:09 |
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| entil | I googled a bit for the linux support and I just can't believe it | 23:10 |
| entil | if someone's serious about game development, buying a new hard drive and a windows license shouldn't set you back, or even buying a new computer | 23:10 |
| entil | sure no one wants dual-booting or crap like that, but... it's like an investment | 23:10 |
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| Eztran | Geez, that's an engine and a half to be OSS'd. | 23:11 |
| entil | and if all the freetards on the forums were serious they'd set up an indiegogo compaign to actually have the sdk ported to linux | 23:11 |
| entil | in cooperation with unity, of course, if there is any interest on unity's side to make the effort if the money was there, but I think everyone knows it'll never happen that way | 23:11 |
| jake9xx | well.. we kinda like to use mac at least for now | 23:13 |
| entil | hmm, on unreal's side it's not just the engine, they're apparently making good progress with the editor too | 23:13 |
| jake9xx | yes, it's not that bad | 23:14 |
| entil | so if I ever dabble into game development, I'm just the type of dude who'd chose unreal because it saves me from dual-booting or investing just to take a look | 23:14 |
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| entil | I did get unity3d running in wine... but by running I mean crawling.. and looking like shit.. | 23:14 |
| jake9xx | but have you seen what we're releasing next? | 23:15 |
| jake9xx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzlRNNRdC | 23:15 |
| entil | This video does not exist. | 23:15 |
| entil | Sorry about that. | 23:15 |
| entil | :/ | 23:15 |
| jake9xx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzlRNNRdC8&feature=kp | 23:15 |
| Eztran | ah, the 8 fell off :) | 23:16 |
| jake9xx | sorry, c+p failando | 23:16 |
| entil | jake9xx: looks beautiful | 23:16 |
| jake9xx | it does. look esp. the parts with 'WebGL' tag | 23:17 |
| Eztran | that is indeed very pretty. | 23:17 |
| jake9xx | we'll be releasing some __really__ cool stuff soon | 23:17 |
| jake9xx | but enough of that, this is #sfo channel | 23:17 |
| Nicd- | that reminds me, I should finish the portal-esque platformer we made in our gaming class last fall | 23:18 |
| entil | from my perspective, and I'm closer to the forum freetards than I'd like to be, if I wanted to get a feel for game development I'd probably want to get through all the hoops first and see what it _really_ takes and if the tools for any engine are good I'd probably not care that much about the engine | 23:18 |
| Nicd- | and then release it for real | 23:18 |
| entil | if that makes any sense | 23:18 |
| Eztran | WebGL never fails to make me go 'wut'. | 23:19 |
| entil | cuz I don't have any allegiances now, or experience, so it kinda makes sense to take the easy alternative at first just to see if I can wrap my head around stuff like gfx and level design and all that | 23:19 |
| entil | anyway, it'll probably take me a year before I can be in any way serious about implementing any of the ideas I have... I'm broke and between jobs like :D | 23:20 |
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