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| coderus | btw, new dialogs style are...crippie. you really like update10 dialogs more than update9? | 07:33 |
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| coderus | cripple* | 07:33 |
| Armadillo_ | new dialog style? | 07:37 |
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| coderus | yeah, read about upcoming dialogs changes | 07:38 |
| Armadillo | where have they been published? | 07:39 |
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| coderus | https://together.jolla.com/question/55909/official-annoucement-uitukka-is-just-around-the-corner-hold-on/ | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | update9 vs update8 you mean | 08:15 |
| coderus | well | 08:16 |
| coderus | there was no update6, but update7, so i thought if there was no update9 it will be update10, no? | 08:17 |
| coderus | i'm talking about uitukka anyway :) | 08:17 |
| TemeV | update 6 was planned, but then 6 and 7 were merged | 08:18 |
| coderus | anyway | 08:18 |
| coderus | just call it uitukka | 08:18 |
| TemeV | now "missing" one update was intentional, so this would be update 9 | 08:18 |
| coderus | whenever update № it have :) | 08:18 |
| TemeV | yeah, let's just call it uitukka until we hear the version number from official sources :) | 08:19 |
| kimmoli | its 9th update anyway :) | 08:21 |
| kimmoli | just remembered this http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2014/08/jolla-sailfish-os-update-name-contest.html | 08:24 |
| coderus | but i really hear "why dialogs now looks like this!??" after updating to uitukka from many peoples ;) | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully not too many do that, at risk of bricking devices.. | 08:31 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: what are you talking about? | 08:31 |
| coderus | i'm just guessing peoples reaction after updating to Uitukka after it will be released ;) | 08:31 |
| kimmoli | coderus: but doesn't any good change have some resistance at first ? | 08:33 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: well | 08:33 |
| coderus | it's laggy for me | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | especially in oss environments | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:34 |
| coderus | some dialogs have no button overlays | 08:34 |
| coderus | some overlays have laggy initial position at dialog show | 08:34 |
| coderus | (when i'm putting it inside List/Grid header) | 08:34 |
| coderus | i'm sad :( | 08:34 |
| coderus | will se on next week | 08:37 |
| coderus | will see* | 08:37 |
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| kimmoli | done | 08:44 |
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| coderus | anyway, it's another sailfish os update breaks/improves many things and still no api to check sailfish version on the fly to enable/disable some features. | 08:50 |
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| kimmoli | how about reading environment variable PRETTY_NAME ? | 09:55 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: ? | 09:57 |
| kimmoli | DIY api... | 09:57 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.8.10 released. Changelog: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.8.10 Check for updates! | 10:15 |
| Hartzi | coderus: nice work! | 10:16 |
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| vakkov | does Sailfish support PEAP wi-fi networks? | 10:23 |
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| chem|st | vakkov: depends... | 11:09 |
| chem|st | vakkov: https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa-8021x-enterprise-others-gui-wifi-support-needed-workaround/ | 11:10 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bb1vv1potc916xi/AACNXwPwFsQhrSXGd_lEnpT_a?dl=0 | 17:39 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: where did you get those? | 17:40 |
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| coderus | from sailors | 17:43 |
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| coderus | just screens from silica components gallery demo | 17:43 |
| Nicd- | privately? | 17:43 |
| coderus | yep | 17:44 |
| Nicd- | why don't they make it public? | 17:45 |
| Nicd- | pretty stupid to give instructions to one dev | 17:45 |
| Nicd- | when we all have to change our dialogs | 17:45 |
| coderus | no idea | 17:45 |
| coderus | just sdk should be available week before release or so | 17:46 |
| Nicd- | I'm going to be pretty annoyed if my app breaks in update 9 and I haven't had any chance to fix it | 17:46 |
| coderus | but :) | 17:46 |
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| coderus | kaltsi: any news about new sdk? | 17:48 |
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| giucam | Nicd-: what is your app? | 18:23 |
| Nicd- | giucam: sailtime | 18:23 |
| Nicd- | coderus already checked the dialog and even gave me a pull request <3 | 18:23 |
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| kimmoli | ;) | 18:24 |
| coderus | hehe | 18:25 |
| coderus | anyone need help too? | 18:25 |
| giucam | yeah, works fine as far as i can see | 18:25 |
| giucam | pretty interesting app, too :) | 18:25 |
| coderus | be noticed, PowerMenu not ready for Uitukka | 18:26 |
| Nicd- | I have passed 1337 active installs for SailTime \o/ | 18:27 |
| entil | the apps officially in jolla store are probably qa-tested somehow for the new version? | 18:27 |
| coderus | it won't break yourprobably it will break your device | 18:27 |
| coderus | :D broken backspace | 18:27 |
| coderus | powermenu will break your device after installing Uitukka :D | 18:27 |
| coderus | entil: absolutely not | 18:27 |
| entil | wat | 18:27 |
| entil | why not | 18:28 |
| coderus | entil: why someone should check your app? you should care it yourself while there are no groups for different os versions | 18:28 |
| entil | does the jolla store have version dependencies, or something, that the phone will warn you that apps may break? or lock down apps that aren't certified to work? | 18:28 |
| entil | it's bad karma.. joe q average will not understand why half his shit stopped working after an upgrade | 18:29 |
| coderus | entil: there are just look and feel changes | 18:30 |
| coderus | nothing big | 18:30 |
| coderus | ah, good news, your device WOULD NOT BE BRICKED after update ti Uitukka :D | 18:31 |
| entil | why would powermenu break, then? | 18:31 |
| coderus | just powermenu stop working | 18:31 |
| coderus | entil: because powermenu is hacky app :) | 18:31 |
| entil | and wasn't there something about mitakuuluu as well, that it needs an upgrade to work with uitukka? | 18:31 |
| coderus | uitukka changed qml structure of lipstick files | 18:31 |
| coderus | entil: nothing for mitakuuluu | 18:32 |
| entil | oh, I misunderstood.. next time I'll actually read the changelog and not rely on vague memories of something I browsed through on irc | 18:32 |
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| coderus | small look and feel changes for new dialogs already made | 18:33 |
| entil | aah | 18:33 |
| entil | ok, but still, it should not be ok that apps would actually break (which is probably why powermenu isn't in the store ;) | 18:34 |
| coderus | sure | 18:34 |
| entil | because certain other vendors have very rigorouos QA processes for their stores | 18:34 |
| coderus | apps are continue working | 18:34 |
| coderus | just small look and feel changes | 18:34 |
| coderus | specially for pagestack indicators and dialog headers | 18:35 |
| entil | and also powermenu stopping working instead of causing your battery to catch fire is ok, then I won't care ;) | 18:35 |
| entil | though I do use powermenu fairly regularly | 18:35 |
| coderus | check this: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-August/004939.html | 18:36 |
| coderus | i'm thinking about ways to update powermenu to work on both sailfish versions correctly | 18:37 |
| entil | coderus: yeah, saw that before, it's been here before, I suppose... " * Copy unsaved numbers from call log " that's a sweet feature | 18:37 |
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| Nicd- | where can I list the different builtin icons for the enter key? | 18:38 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: you mean you want to change icon? | 18:40 |
| Nicd- | yeah like EnterKey.iconSource: "image://theme/icon-m-send" | 18:40 |
| coderus | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-enterkey.html | 18:40 |
| coderus | so, icons are under /usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/icons | 18:40 |
| Nicd- | ah there are only three options | 18:41 |
| coderus | you can use any icon you want :) | 18:41 |
| coderus | or draw your own | 18:41 |
| Nicd- | I'll see if one of those looks nice first | 18:42 |
| coderus | i'm using message icon for mitakuuluu sendByEnter option :) | 18:43 |
| tango_ | hm can you write a sailfish os UI app without using QML, just pure Qt? | 18:44 |
| Nicd- | I think yes but you won't have any platform UI widgets or styles available | 18:45 |
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| coderus | tango_: it will be hard to create "sailfish os UI app" because qt widgets are not styled for sailfish abience, you'd need to do it your own | 18:47 |
| tango_ | coderus: ok | 18:48 |
| coderus | but sure it's possible, even if meaningless | 18:48 |
| coderus | tango_: why doing so? :D | 18:48 |
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| coderus | i'm thinking about creating own text field based on QLabel, because declarative text/styledtext is laggy buggy shit and nobody in t care of it | 18:49 |
| coderus | nobody in Qt* | 18:50 |
| tango_ | coderus: meh, just come across someone on reddit pissed off because I said that Qt > GTK and one of his argument is that people are now forced to use QML | 18:51 |
| tango_ | which left me kind of baffled, since I'm writing Qt desktop apps without QML, so I was thinking on who might be _forcing_ people to use QML, and the only thing I could think of was Sailfish OS | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | we force, and i think ubuntu kinda does too if you want same visual style | 18:52 |
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| entil | the two apps I did.. I never considered qml "being forced" | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | well, kinda forced, you can of course do egl/gles | 18:54 |
| entil | I mean, sure, it's hard the same way html+css is hard, ie. I don't get it, but it serves a real purpose and ultimately might make your life easier | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | or qgraphicsview.. | 18:54 |
| tango_ | entil: well if you can't do it some other way it _is_ forced | 18:54 |
| tango_ | entil: no, his complaint was about speed in bringing up the UI and difficulty in instrumentation | 18:55 |
| tango_ | but he's saying it's being forced, which I thought was bullshit (when talking about Qt in general) | 18:55 |
| entil | ok, something like that might actually be valid as well, and sure I could also buy an iphone if I didn't want to be forced to do qml ;) | 18:55 |
| giucam | tango_: you can also run qwidget apps on sailfish, but they work like crap | 18:56 |
| tango_ | giucam: well, that's not my point in this argument | 18:56 |
| tango_ | since I'm just talking about Qt as a toolkit | 18:56 |
| tango_ | and you can write cross-platform UI apps without using QML | 18:56 |
| tango_ | (in Qt) | 18:56 |
| Nicd- | Hello | 18:56 |
| giucam | ok, that's for sure | 18:56 |
| tango_ | just wondering where this guy was coming from | 18:56 |
| Nicd- | I am speaking to you from WeeCRApp | 18:57 |
| Nicd- | It's alive! | 18:57 |
| kimmoli | oo | 18:57 |
| tango_ | nice name | 18:58 |
| Nicd- | Tango: I'm that mature | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | is this a client for tbr's internet of toilets? | 18:58 |
| * tbr looks | 18:59 | |
| Nicd- | hehehe | 18:59 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: it's a client for IRCing about tbr's internet of toilets! | 18:59 |
| tbr | :) | 18:59 |
| giucam | tango_: where is the reddit thread, ooi? i enjoy reading wrong opinions on the internet :P | 19:03 |
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| javispedro | meh | 19:07 |
| javispedro | if you're using qtwidgets you're in as much danger as if you're using gtk | 19:07 |
| javispedro | danger of being abandoned, or of the toolkit changing enough in the long-term so as to force you to rewrite your programs | 19:08 |
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| tango_ | javispedro: stability of the api was not actually discussed as a benefit of either qt or gtk | 19:21 |
| tango_ | giucam: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2hn2fa/rlinux_is_trending_today/ckup36o | 19:21 |
| javispedro | I don't think it is reasonable to ignore that problem | 19:21 |
| javispedro | at some point, Gtk+ actually looked nice in OSX. | 19:22 |
| tango_ | what, gtk1? | 19:23 |
| javispedro | na, mid gtk2 verions | 19:23 |
| tango_ | let's switch to vcl | 19:24 |
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| tango_ | (the libreoffice toolkit 8-D) | 19:24 |
| javispedro | doesn't it use gtk by now | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | or EFL. | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | the we-disabled-ABI-checks-because-it-troubled-developers | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | +toolkit | 19:25 |
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| tango_ | javispedro: nope, still its own tk inherited from staroffice | 19:30 |
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| tango_ | it's being modernized, but still not gtk | 19:30 |
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| tango_ | and hoefully they won't switch | 19:31 |
| javispedro | well I suppose it's on the "uses gtk+ to render" camp | 19:31 |
| tango_ | javispedro: not that I know of | 19:31 |
| javispedro | last time I hacked on it (global menu reasons) it was pretty much gtk+ all over the place | 19:31 |
| tango_ | wut? | 19:31 |
| tango_ | libreoffice? | 19:31 |
| javispedro | yep, using GtkWindow and other theming functions | 19:32 |
| tango_ | hey look it's true, it has some gtk stuff | 19:32 |
| tango_ | I suspec that's only when running under gnome though | 19:32 |
| tango_ | native controls and stuff | 19:32 |
| tango_ | the part that I hacked was definitely pure Xlib | 19:32 |
| tango_ | (well, and extensions) | 19:33 |
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