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| Juuba | hmm | 06:55 |
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| Juuba | I installed an app from Warehouse, it installed about 5-6 "dependencies" | 06:55 |
| Juuba | when removing said app, it does not remove said dependencies | 06:55 |
| Juuba | is there a quick-n-easy way to remove them | 06:55 |
| Juuba | wireshark was the app... | 06:59 |
| Armadillo | if you know the package names you can use pkcon to remove them as superuser from the shell | 07:01 |
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| coderus | infinite battary power: http://i.imgur.com/m50orO8.png | 07:39 |
| Armadillo | :D | 07:40 |
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| Bysmyyr | Juuba: that why I do not use warehouse | 07:40 |
| Armadillo | coderus: which app is this? | 07:41 |
| Juuba | Armadillo: yeah, i did not pay attention close enough :( | 07:41 |
| SK_work | Armadillo: sysmon from BasilSemuonov | 07:44 |
| SK_work | quite a nice one | 07:44 |
| Armadillo | hm | 07:44 |
| Armadillo | warehouse? | 07:45 |
| SK_work | yep | 07:45 |
| SK_work | even ships a daemon | 07:45 |
| SK_work | now only missing battery consumption per app | 07:45 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | SK_work, need to be helped by silica | 07:47 |
| SK_work | dr_gogeta86: ?? | 07:47 |
| Nicd- | my weechat client is progressing: http://i.imgur.com/lSjzEJZ.png :) | 07:47 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: :) | 07:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | +1 | 07:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | SK_work, you need to know many things | 07:48 |
| SK_work | dr_gogeta86: hum ? | 07:48 |
| SK_work | ie ? | 07:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | here apps are not single binary | 07:50 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | while in ios and android are | 07:50 |
| SK_work | dr_gogeta86: hum, please explain ? | 07:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | sailfishapp need to register like powertop | 07:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but like in my case | 07:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is the service doing the big job | 07:57 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ui is just a frontend | 07:57 |
| SK_work | yep | 07:59 |
| SK_work | indeed | 07:59 |
| SK_work | well, that's the linux way of doing stuff | 07:59 |
| SK_work | daemons | 07:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is a good thing | 08:00 |
| dr_gogeta86 | especially without push | 08:00 |
| dr_gogeta86 | SK_work, other platform dev going in headcache while see sailfish apps | 08:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | the lack of example and afterdeath invocation without service .... | 08:01 |
| SK_work | dr_gogeta86: do you mean that other platform devs think SFOS is a pain ? | 08:01 |
| SK_work | afterdeath invocation without service ? | 08:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | worse pain in a** | 08:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | push notification | 08:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | especially who come from android | 08:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | where a push can recall an actvity | 08:02 |
| SK_work | well, in SFOS there is basically no push notif service | 08:02 |
| SK_work | but tbr is doing some nice experiment about this | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 08:03 |
| SK_work | I'm not a huge fan of push though | 08:03 |
| SK_work | I do prefer pooling | 08:03 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but polling different sources | 08:03 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | is more expesive than check one | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | polling is not good on 3g | 08:03 |
| SK_work | I'm more about: "you gather sources on your device, your info is yours" way of thinking | 08:03 |
| SK_work | push servers means that there are servers outside getting your info | 08:04 |
| SK_work | (or relaying it) | 08:04 |
| dr_gogeta86 | SK_work, peep don't care | 08:04 |
| dr_gogeta86 | sad but true | 08:04 |
| SK_work | dr_gogeta86: another reason is that, for me as a MW app dev, setting up a push server is rather painful | 08:05 |
| SK_work | so ... | 08:05 |
| SK_work | :D | 08:05 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I can help you | 08:05 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is my job | 08:05 |
| dr_gogeta86 | (daily basis ) | 08:06 |
| SK_work | ah | 08:06 |
| tbr | SK_work: in my plans there is an explicit mention "this is encrypted in transit, but still the server can read it, so please use proper encryption of payload, e.g. this snippet: XXX" | 08:06 |
| SK_work | thanks for the help, but, I'm not in this kind of projects now :) | 08:06 |
| SK_work | tbr: hum ... | 08:06 |
| tbr | currently the test service doesn't even encrypt in transit, as I didn't have time to set up my test CA | 08:07 |
| SK_work | I'm more about doing "web developement for the Jolla" D: :D | 08:07 |
| SK_work | tbr: ok | 08:07 |
| dr_gogeta86 | SK_work, pretty soon i need to create qml ui for my brew system | 08:09 |
| SK_work | brew system ? | 08:10 |
| SK_work | dr_gogeta86: ping me if you need help :) | 08:10 |
| SK_work | or coderus, he is pretty much all the time here :) | 08:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ahahaha | 08:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i need to drill and inox pot can you help me ? | 08:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | :-D | 08:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | *an | 08:10 |
| lainwir3d | hi there ! | 08:10 |
| SK_work | :D | 08:11 |
| SK_work | well, wait a sec, boarding a plane ticket to italia :D | 08:11 |
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| lainwir3d | so, any idea how I can include QtBluetooth in my app and still be accepted in harbour ? | 08:14 |
| Juuba | is there a way to check dependencies of wireshark-1.0-1.armv7hl.rpm | 08:14 |
| lainwir3d | Is copying the libQtBluetooth in /usr/share/myapp/ enought ? :-/ | 08:14 |
| dr_gogeta86 | if Harbour reject there is still openrepos | 08:14 |
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| lainwir3d | dr_gogeta86: well yeah, but I would prefer putting it in harbour if possible | 08:15 |
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| lainwir3d | well, actually openrepos would be the easy way, I could get it there faster | 08:15 |
| dr_gogeta86 | lainwir3d, which app ? | 08:15 |
| lainwir3d | Juuba: try rpm -R wireshark-1.0-1.armv7hl.rpm | 08:16 |
| Juuba | so i need to have it downloaded | 08:16 |
| lainwir3d | dr_gogeta86: An app to support the new Parrot headphone (Parrot Zik 2.0) | 08:16 |
| SK_work | lainwir3d: I would say: rebuild QtBluetooth and dynamically / statically link it | 08:16 |
| lainwir3d | Juuba: probably | 08:16 |
| lainwir3d | SK_work: I can't statically, it's closed source software for the moment. I could dynamically though. Can QtBluetooth be build outside the Qt source ? | 08:17 |
| SK_work | dyn | 08:18 |
| SK_work | lainwir3d: you can build qtbluetooth outside of Qt | 08:18 |
| SK_work | as it is a Qt addon or something like that | 08:18 |
| SK_work | clone the repo from gitorious and invoke qmake in it | 08:18 |
| SK_work | it /should/ work | 08:18 |
| SK_work | if not, adapt the .pro file | 08:18 |
| lainwir3d | well I guess it's the solution then | 08:18 |
| Juuba | sailfish rpm does not recognise "-R" | 08:19 |
| lainwir3d | And I might even get features from QtBluetooth 5.3 on sailfish, which would be nice if It can build | 08:19 |
| lainwir3d | Juuba: --requires ? | 08:19 |
| Juuba | hmm, or this not finding the rpm... | 08:20 |
| Juuba | dang it :D | 08:20 |
| Juuba | anyone know where warehouse places it's downloads? | 08:21 |
| lainwir3d | Juuba: try with pkcon maybe | 08:22 |
| lainwir3d | it has an option to just download the package | 08:22 |
| lainwir3d | from what I see in the manual | 08:22 |
| lainwir3d | pkcon download DIRECTORY PACKAGES | 08:23 |
| SK_work | lainwir3d: you can try to build it | 08:23 |
| SK_work | but good luck about it | 08:23 |
| SK_work | it might not work | 08:23 |
| Armadillo | 2014-10-07 09:17:05,478 [http-bio-8080-exec-147] com.unitedinternet.portal.contractprocessservice.backend.impl.CometInvoiceBackend::readBills INFO Found following bills for AccountID=3065054803 and CustomerID=1 | 08:23 |
| Armadillo | sorry | 08:24 |
| Armadillo | https://openrepos.net/sites/default/files/packages/500/wireshark-1.0-1.armv7hl.rpm | 08:24 |
| Armadillo | this was meant to be pasted^^ | 08:24 |
| SK_work | Armadillo: good | 08:24 |
| SK_work | who is account 3065054803 :) | 08:24 |
| Armadillo | me | 08:25 |
| SK_work | :) | 08:25 |
| Juuba | pkcon got it | 08:26 |
| Juuba | now, to determine what are not needed :D | 08:26 |
| Juuba | quite a list of depends | 08:26 |
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| Armadillo | coderus: did you recognize the pastebin for the shellshock script yesterday? | 08:30 |
| BasilSemuonov | Juuba, Armadillo neither pkcon, nor zypper on jolla support buildin tracking of unneeded packages, when package is already deleted | 08:31 |
| BasilSemuonov | Juuba, for you better option is to install wireshark again, and then remove it with zypper | 08:31 |
| Juuba | err | 08:31 |
| BasilSemuonov | Juuba, 'zypper remove -u wireshark' | 08:31 |
| Juuba | ok | 08:31 |
| Juuba | ty | 08:31 |
| BasilSemuonov | Juuba, where '-u, --clean-deps Automatically remove unneeded dependencies.; | 08:31 |
| Juuba | ty, cheers... doing it now | 08:32 |
| Juuba | why doesn't warehouse use zypper? | 08:32 |
| BasilSemuonov | because it uses pkcon, and deps remove is disabled in warehouse. | 08:33 |
| BasilSemuonov | sailfishos uses packagekit as package manager (with zypp backend) | 08:34 |
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| Juuba | yesh | 08:35 |
| Juuba | THANKS! | 08:35 |
| BasilSemuonov | Juuba, maybe later deps removal will be enabled in warehouse, but not this time. | 08:35 |
| Juuba | dunno how big a deal it would have been to just let those packages remain | 08:35 |
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| Armadillo | one of the reasons I'm traying to avoid warehouse^^ | 08:35 |
| Juuba | but... 81 MB of unused data now removed | 08:35 |
| Armadillo | -a | 08:35 |
| Juuba | phew | 08:36 |
| Juuba | i was just trying to find an app that would let me scan WLANs at home and to see their ChannelID | 08:36 |
| BasilSemuonov | Armadillo, same happens with any installed package, if this package is first to require something | 08:37 |
| Juuba | ended up using a loaned Samsung S3 for the job. | 08:37 |
| Juuba | wife was on the laptop, so that was a no-go :D | 08:37 |
| Armadillo | BasilSemuonov: sure | 08:38 |
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| BasilSemuonov | Armadillo, you just dont like warehouse :-p | 08:41 |
| Armadillo | BasilSemuonov: this is the result, yes :) | 08:43 |
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| Juuba | i don't really like it either | 08:47 |
| Juuba | *shrug* | 08:47 |
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| Juuba | lets see what happens with this "hotfix" | 08:48 |
| Juuba | and my btrfs SD-card | 08:48 |
| BasilSemuonov | lainwir3d, proper lib packaging is explained in harbour faq https://harbour.jolla.com/faq#Shared_Libraries place libs in lib folder and use rpath | 08:49 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | SK_work, BasilSemuonov for next meeting ... a revamp of sailfish.org sdk site and harbour rules in one place | 08:56 |
| lainwir3d | BasilSemuonov: thank you ! | 09:00 |
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| coderus | Armadillo: sure, thanks | 09:39 |
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| coderus | why the hell os upgrade downgrading my locally installed packages and installing old versions from harbour? can you please disable harbour packages upgrades while updating os? | 09:41 |
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| coderus | sailfish os update procedure is most hacky i ever seen in many distributions | 09:43 |
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| nazanin | coderus: can you explain more? | 09:46 |
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| coderus | nazanin: i have some apps installed on my device with versions higher than in harbour | 10:45 |
| coderus | nazanin: and when updating sailfish version it "upgrading" these packages to versions from harbour | 10:45 |
| coderus | and i need to reinstall everything again... | 10:46 |
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| Armadillo | really? | 10:46 |
| coderus | really | 10:46 |
| nazanin | coderus: hhm, you installed them from open repos? | 10:46 |
| coderus | no | 10:46 |
| coderus | i build from sources and installed with pkcon | 10:46 |
| coderus | with sdk-install* | 10:46 |
| coderus | sdk-deploy-rpm** | 10:46 |
| Armadillo | hm I'm not sure, if I installed my last release before or after the update yesterday | 10:47 |
| coderus | nazanin: i have harbour-meecase, harbour-tweetian and some others built from sources with ersions higher than in harbour | 10:47 |
| coderus | and it reinstalled to harbour versions during os update | 10:48 |
| coderus | harbour-meecast* | 10:48 |
| nazanin | ok, I'll report | 10:48 |
| Armadillo | didn't hppen for me, I just checked the dates | 10:48 |
| Armadillo | +a | 10:48 |
| Armadillo | harbour-tasklist has a newer version before the update | 10:48 |
| nazanin | coderus: in these cases, making a post in TJC would help best as I checked this channel by accident :) | 10:49 |
| coderus | Armadillo: probably you didnt installed your software from harbour? | 10:49 |
| coderus | nazanin: okay, will do later | 10:50 |
| Armadillo | difficult to say, I built many new versions in the last time | 10:50 |
| Armadillo | in addition my store client software listing is currently completely broken | 10:51 |
| Armadillo | so don't care of my results^^ | 10:51 |
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| AdrianoCampos | hi | 10:59 |
| aard_ | coderus: did you update through ui, or with version --dup? | 11:01 |
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| coderus | aard_: version --dup | 11:08 |
| coderus | never updating with ui | 11:08 |
| aard_ | coderus: there's your problem. if you update through the store-ui we do repo isolation, and store apps are not updated. version --dup is an rnd-tool, which is not supported for end users. if you use it, you'll have side effects like "no repo isolation" | 11:09 |
| aard_ | solutions in your case: uninstall from harbour and/or use /etc/zypp/locks to lock the packages | 11:10 |
| coderus | lol, my problem, oks | 11:13 |
| coderus | two tools can't do the same thing, sure | 11:13 |
| coderus | you need to have one tool with ui working fine | 11:14 |
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| coderus | and second with cli working fine as you want, and other behaviour is "your problems" | 11:14 |
| coderus | oks oks | 11:14 |
| aard_ | well, version --dup is what we use in development, and there we do have slighly different requirements (like, repository isolation would hurt as, as we usually have additional development repositories around) | 11:15 |
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| aard_ | back when we released we had the choice of going the 'nokia way', and remove all rnd-tools which may be useful for others from the device, or keep them. we went for keeping them, as they are useful for others -- but side effect is that they're not targeted at end users | 11:16 |
| coderus | i understand, i'm just talking about possibility to do same as ui but with cli :) | 11:17 |
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| coderus | i want to watch status in terminal and keep logs of process :D | 11:17 |
| coderus | well, okay, i'll do the third way: i'll create local repository with all packages i want to use locally | 11:19 |
| coderus | that solves everythin | 11:19 |
| aard_ | for now there are two workarounds I described above | 11:19 |
| aard_ | in update10 there'll be experimental repository isolation on a lower level, so with an additional command before/after version --dup you'd get the same as updating from ui | 11:20 |
| coderus | aard_: so, just tell me that command now :) | 11:20 |
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| aard_ | coderus: https://github.com/nemomobile/ssu/commit/b0708f6c4df16430cf95f57b79ff050966e5df09 | 11:22 |
| aard_ | so you'd need to set the ssu mode to containing the update mode flag | 11:22 |
| coderus | ssu mode 16, thanks | 11:24 |
| coderus | will test it with next release ;) | 11:25 |
| aard_ | coderus: like I said, the code for that will only be in update10 | 11:25 |
| coderus | just UpdateMode or UpdateMode | ReleaseMode ? | 11:25 |
| aard_ | so you can test it _after_ update10 (or put your own ssu package on the device) | 11:25 |
| aard_ | UpdateMode | ReleaseMode to be safe (though if releasemode is not set it assumes release mode to avoid user error) | 11:26 |
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| krnlyng | w00t: is this fine? https://bpaste.net/show/8b8207dffc4a | 11:47 |
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| AdrianoCampos | Someone know what mean "SSU_RELEASE_TYPE"? | 11:50 |
| AdrianoCampos | on using mic to create a image of Mer | 11:51 |
| aard_ | AdrianoCampos: which kickstart? | 11:52 |
| AdrianoCampos | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/faenil/NemoWaylandKickstart/master/nemo-i486-vm-wayland.ks | 11:53 |
| AdrianoCampos | for example | 11:54 |
| aard_ | AdrianoCampos: check that scriptlet in the %post section. it configures ssu to either point to release repos (=snapshots), or rnd-repos (=published by OBS) on the image you're creating | 11:55 |
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| w00t | krnlyng: no egl is bad. you need mesa headers | 12:00 |
| krnlyng | ok thanks w00t | 12:01 |
| AdrianoCampos | aard_, can you explain better this point | 12:02 |
| AdrianoCampos | ? | 12:02 |
| krnlyng | but i've run into another problem now: Project ERROR: QT_FOR_PRIVATE may not contain *-private. do you know what's wrong here? (i found a patch which should fix that, i will try that after installing the mesa headers) | 12:02 |
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| krnlyng | hi, i can't install some packages because: "requires libEGL-devel, but this requirement cannot be provided" what can i do? | 12:29 |
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| faenil | PSA: sailfish community meeting in 5 mins in #mer-meeting channel | 14:57 |
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| Nicd- | can I make qt creator not truncate my console.log messages? | 17:30 |
| Nicd- | it's really annoying | 17:30 |
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| tortoisedoc | j0 | 17:34 |
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| lukedirtwalker | Is there a harbour compatible way to require a min version of Sailfish? | 18:27 |
| Nicd- | not yet | 18:29 |
| coderus | lukedirtwalker: you can only check it in main qml and show error page instead of | 18:31 |
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| lukedirtwalker | coderus: how would that go? | 18:48 |
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| lukedirtwalker | e.g. how can I check the version in qml? | 18:51 |
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| tortoisedoc | has anyone managed to use plain opengles on jolla? | 19:01 |
| tortoisedoc | afaik it is not yet completely accepted on harbour? | 19:01 |
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| Armadillo | Nicd-: when do your console.logs get truncated? | 19:05 |
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| Nicd- | when they are shown in Qt creator's application output window | 19:07 |
| Armadillo | I can stop and rebuild the application and they are kept as greyed out | 19:08 |
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| Nicd- | no, I mean the lines are truncated | 19:09 |
| Nicd- | if they are too long | 19:09 |
| Armadillo | hm ok | 19:09 |
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| coderus | lukedirtwalker: not in qml of course | 19:13 |
| tortoisedoc | kaltsi : stopping processes during debugging sometimes keeps gdbserver active on the mer vm | 19:14 |
| tortoisedoc | (or so it seems) | 19:14 |
| tortoisedoc | kaltsi: after 7-8 of these, you wont be able to connect to the mer sdk any more and you will need to restart it | 19:15 |
| tortoisedoc | annoyin as hell :O | 19:15 |
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| tortoisedoc | can you fix it for the next update? ^^ | 19:15 |
| tortoisedoc | kthxbye :P | 19:16 |
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| gogeta | hi SfietKonstantin | 19:38 |
| gogeta | keepalive not found | 19:38 |
| SfietKonstantin | full log plz ? | 19:39 |
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| Nicd- | WeeCRApp now loads backlog for channels :) | 19:40 |
| gogeta | :-1: error: Package keepalive not found | 19:41 |
| gogeta | just this | 19:41 |
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| gogeta | SfietKonstantin, libkeepalive-devel is installed | 19:46 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 20:15 |
| tortoisedoc | can anyone explain | 20:16 |
| tortoisedoc | how the favourites are called from within jolla-settings? | 20:16 |
| tortoisedoc | i.e. how are they activated? | 20:16 |
| tortoisedoc | it doesnt seem to rely on dbus or similar.. | 20:16 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 20:22 |
| tortoisedoc | jolla is suspiciously quiet...is something boiling in the pan? ;) | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's 10pm and i'm going to bed. | 20:23 |
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| tortoisedoc | :P | 20:26 |
| tortoisedoc | have a good one Stskeeps | 20:26 |
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| gogeta | SK_work, Sfiet_Konstantin profile ... is gone ? | 20:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | gogeta: connected on different comp :) | 20:40 |
| gogeta | me too | 20:41 |
| gogeta | there are also a small tweaks in project yaml | 20:43 |
| gogeta | two packages are missing | 20:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | which two ? | 20:47 |
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| gogeta | libkeepalive-devel | 20:48 |
| gogeta | qt5-qttest-devel | 20:49 |
| gogeta | otherwise not compile | 20:49 |
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| coderus | how to install certificate file into sailfish? | 22:54 |
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| tigeli | coderus: you can drop cert to /etc/pki/tls/certs and run multi_c_rehash | 23:06 |
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