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| salamisami | coderus: how? for me it refuses to take any pic while low power screen is on. i can only take pic when device is unlockrx. | 00:05 |
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| salamisami | fuu fuu | 00:09 |
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| coderus | salamisami: ah not this app | 00:13 |
| coderus | i dont remember app name | 00:14 |
| coderus | this is app with timeout | 00:14 |
| coderus | you set it to 5-10 seconds | 00:14 |
| coderus | and capture, then lock screen | 00:14 |
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| salamisami | oh yes | 00:16 |
| salamisami | the one on ovi store | 00:16 |
| salamisami | unfortunately ovi store keeps crashing for me so i cant use it on my phone | 00:17 |
| Nokius | gn8 | 00:18 |
| coderus | salamisami: you can download it somewhere else | 00:18 |
| salamisami | "Screen Capture"? It seems it can only be downloaded from Ovi Store for € 1.00 | 00:21 |
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| salamisami | coderus: by the way, do you have idea whats wrong with ovi store crashing for me? i would like to download some other applications too. forum post here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1453778#post1453778 | 00:26 |
| coderus | salamisami: no i can't help you with meego | 00:30 |
| salamisami | i understand | 00:31 |
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| coderus | salamisami: i sent you private message | 00:35 |
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| Brudhu | hello | 01:36 |
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| Brudhu | anyone there? | 01:37 |
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| coderus | always anyone there | 02:23 |
| CorvetteZR1 | hey | 02:32 |
| Brudhu_ | hey... I'm writing an app and I need it to get root privileges for a while, but no idea on how to do that. Any idea? :/ | 02:35 |
| coderus | Brudhu_: using suid of course | 02:41 |
| coderus | but you can't do "for a while" :D | 02:41 |
| Brudhu_ | Hmm never used it! Is it difficult? haha | 02:42 |
| coderus | one binary should do root actions, second should do normal actions | 02:42 |
| Brudhu_ | thanks | 02:42 |
| coderus | suid is normal linux executable bit | 02:42 |
| coderus | and setuid(0) | 02:42 |
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| Brudhu_ | right | 02:42 |
| Brudhu_ | I'll try it asap. not now since it's Christmas in Brazil hahaha | 02:43 |
| Brudhu_ | thanks, @coderus | 02:43 |
| CorvetteZR1 | what's a good game for sailfish? | 02:44 |
| Brudhu_ | I like tappr | 02:44 |
| CorvetteZR1 | nothing caught my eye in the jolla store...i'm on nexus4, so no android apps | 02:45 |
| CorvetteZR1 | i'll have a look at tappr | 02:45 |
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| Brudhu_ | it's good to spend time | 02:46 |
| Brudhu_ | there are also native flappy bird and Heebo | 02:46 |
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| phaeron | coderus: when you start as suid you can drop privileges later | 02:50 |
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| Brudhu_ | interesting | 02:58 |
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| ulvus | Morning | 09:24 |
| gogeta | hi | 09:24 |
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| qt_junkie | how can I programmatically change the global volume of the phone? There is this Nemo D-Bus interface but it seems not to be used in Jolla https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Audio/MainVolume | 10:38 |
| qt_junkie | Anyone know what's the proper way to do it? | 10:39 |
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| m4g0g | hello | 10:51 |
| m4g0g | Is it possible to create share plugin and deploy it with app? | 10:51 |
| m4g0g | for example, I have app for getpocket and I want to create share plugin to give poosibility to add bookmarks from browser to pocket | 10:53 |
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| kimmoli | possible but not harbour-approved | 10:55 |
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| m4g0g | kimmoli: i know. Harbour is sucks | 11:10 |
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| coderus | phaeron: i didn't succeded in dropping privileges | 11:22 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: check mitakuuluu sources ;) | 11:23 |
| coderus | it have share plugin | 11:23 |
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| m4g0g | wow! | 11:32 |
| urjaman | wishlist: connect using bt dun (ppp) of other phones... | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | pan may work from cndline | 11:35 |
| urjaman | no i want dun, and yeah somebody made pppd available (openrepos) but i cant figure out how to tell connman about it (even just dns) | 11:36 |
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| urjaman | i can form a connection but either no dns or if i kick connman and write my own resolv.conf then android apps freeze (wtf) | 11:37 |
| urjaman | and i heard of something named connmanctl on the web but couldnt find it in repos... | 11:39 |
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| urjaman | you could just make the next phone have good enough antennas that this wouldnt be necessary the moment you travel outside the city | 11:46 |
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| coderus | Eventsview patch v0.0.14 released. Fixed vertical layout of buttons. https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet Let it be LAST update please :) | 12:44 |
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| ulvus | Hi | 14:04 |
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| stephg | happy christmas folks | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | you too, stephg | 16:46 |
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| stephg | hope you're having a good one Stskeeps :) | 16:52 |
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| M4rtinK | merry christmas hacking everybody! :) | 16:59 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, it is quite interesting how many open source project releases happen during the holidays :) | 17:00 |
| Outlander | hah | 17:01 |
| Outlander | merry christmas | 17:01 |
| Outlander | hey so sailfishOS, you can't run the google app store on it yeh? | 17:01 |
| Outlander | You need to use alternative app stores | 17:01 |
| Outlander | I use Fdroid for lots of stuff anyways, but wondering if someone has a list of say top 500 popular apps in android app store that are/aren't available in other app stores? To get a picture of app availablity/coverage for SailfishOS | 17:02 |
| stephg | Outlander, you can install Google Play | 17:02 |
| stephg | (it's just not officially supported) | 17:03 |
| Outlander | ah right | 17:04 |
| Outlander | so you can just browse over to google, download the app file and install it? | 17:04 |
| Outlander | rockin | 17:04 |
| stephg | not quite | 17:04 |
| Outlander | ok, so you gotta hack it on | 17:05 |
| space_llama | Hey, has anyone here used the HADK? | 17:05 |
| stephg | Outlander yeah, it's unzipping a tarball and insalling an APK by hand iirc | 17:05 |
| stephg | but once it's there it works | 17:05 |
| Outlander | perfect | 17:05 |
| stephg | failing that folks here also use Apotide, Yandex, Fdroid and the Amazon 'stores' | 17:05 |
| stephg | space_llama, plenty of people have | 17:06 |
| Outlander | I have galaxy note2 currently, would love a way to either load sailfish onto it (hard with crappy closed source hardware) or replace it with a jolla phablet instead | 17:06 |
| Outlander | I *hate* the lack of privacy with android, SailfishOS and FirefoxOS give me hope | 17:06 |
| space_llama | stephg: I have a problem in the Mersdk. For some reason it says I don't have gpg. | 17:06 |
| Outlander | sailfish running android apps is a killer feature | 17:06 |
| stephg | Outlander to give you an idea, this is what you do for support on the phone: http://www.jollatides.com/2014/04/03/updated-installing-google-play-on-jolla/ | 17:07 |
| space_llama | But I can use it fine outside of the sdk. | 17:07 |
| stephg | space_llama, exactly what says it can't find gpg? | 17:07 |
| stephg | QT creator? a build error? the emulator? | 17:07 |
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| space_llama | stephg: When trying to do repo init I get | 17:08 |
| Outlander | so a cool first app to write would be one that installs the google app store for you easily ;) | 17:08 |
| space_llama | repo 1.12.16 | 17:09 |
| space_llama | error: cannot run gpg: No such file or directory | 17:09 |
| space_llama | error: could not run gpg. | 17:09 |
| space_llama | error: could not verify the tag 'v1.12.16' | 17:09 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, maybe use this as a desktop client for Google Play and load the APKs to your Jolla ? | 17:09 |
| M4rtinK | http://www.onyxbits.de/raccoon | 17:09 |
| M4rtinK | heaven't tried that myself yet though | 17:09 |
| Outlander | how close to a "real OS" is sailfish compared to say android? Opening shells, curling crap to a dir, untarring it, compiling it and mucking around stuff is what's easy on a "real OS" in my view,etc. | 17:10 |
| stephg | Outlander, it's linux | 17:10 |
| Outlander | yeah that guide shows it's basically a linux box, which is really cool. | 17:10 |
| M4rtinK | there is Emacs :) | 17:11 |
| aard_ | Outlander: you can do all of that on sailfish once you enable developer mode | 17:11 |
| stephg | the interface is QT/QML, the display is wayland, it's all glibc underneath | 17:11 |
| Outlander | sounds cool | 17:11 |
| stephg | it is cool :D | 17:11 |
| space_llama | (y) | 17:11 |
| Outlander | Looking forward to perhaps buying a jolla tablet | 17:11 |
| Outlander | it would be awesome to get sailfish onto other existing mobile phones as well, but I understand it's a hardware support nightmare | 17:11 |
| stephg | space_llama, sounds like something is up with your build env but I can't think what | 17:12 |
| Outlander | and QT has always been pretty cool too | 17:12 |
| Outlander | so could I install the google app store inside the dev SDK emulator? | 17:12 |
| stephg | Outlander sadly not | 17:13 |
| space_llama | Outlander, you can have it on several devices, check here -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS#Devices_running_Sailfish_OS | 17:13 |
| space_llama | stephg: Yeah, I understand that, but I cant figure out what. | 17:13 |
| stephg | the emulator is an x86 target for which alien dalvik (the android runtime) isn't available | 17:13 |
| Nicd- | Outlander: the emulator doesn't have the dalvik vm | 17:13 |
| stephg | space_llama, I'm a bit futzy with the sb2 mb2 build stuff | 17:14 |
| stephg | you may have better luck asking in #sailfishos-porters | 17:14 |
| Outlander | ah right | 17:14 |
| space_llama | stephg: Didn't know it existed! Thanks! | 17:14 |
| Outlander | galaxy s3 cool! My wife has one of those, if/when she upgrades to a new phone, I'll chuck it on hers to test out. | 17:15 |
| stephg | Outlander, for completeness, this is the most up-to-date list: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adaptations/libhybris | 17:16 |
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| appelgriebsch | Have 2 questions for beginning SailfishOS development: 1. are there any recommended tutorials to start with QML? 2. could I also use Go to write SailfishOS apps (via the QML-Go package)? Best wishes, Andreas | 18:15 |
| Yaniel | 1. see qt qml tutorials, some knowledge of how html works is recommended | 18:16 |
| coderus | qt-project.org for qml | 18:16 |
| Yaniel | 2. aren't go apps statically linked? if so, probably | 18:17 |
| coderus | and go isnt supported in sailfish | 18:17 |
| coderus | only c++ and python | 18:17 |
| Yaniel | if there is an armv7hl compiler | 18:17 |
| cryorat | coderus, python is supported? :O whoa! The 2.x or the 3.x version? | 18:18 |
| Yaniel | lemme check | 18:18 |
| coderus | cryorat: both | 18:18 |
| coderus | PyOtherSide | 18:18 |
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| coderus | thp can tell you more about python integration | 18:19 |
| Yaniel | hm neither is installed by default it seems | 18:19 |
| coderus | Yaniel: none of sailfish components using python ofc. :) | 18:20 |
| Yaniel | doesn't prevent it from being there | 18:20 |
| coderus | why have unused packages installed by default? | 18:21 |
| cryorat | coderus, thx | 18:22 |
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| appelgriebsch | coderus, Yaniel, thx for answers | 18:22 |
| cryorat | im just learning it now, (im wrinting an simple reST compiler webserver) but later... who knows.. :) | 18:23 |
| appelgriebsch | just saw on Github that QML-Go is supported for Ubuntu Touch SDK, so might also work for SailfishOS... | 18:23 |
| appelgriebsch | even though there might be some manual steps to enable it in the SailfishOS SDK VM | 18:24 |
| coderus | appelgriebsch: yep, qml-go is in ubuntu sdk, you can just select it and write app directly in qtc | 18:24 |
| appelgriebsch | coderus, yep, just tried it on my QT creator (desktop SDK) | 18:25 |
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| muppis | coderus, you got me. I created an Git account. :D | 18:45 |
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| coderus | muppis: me? i don't care, dude ;) | 18:48 |
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| muppis | coderus, I know don't. I've been following your work and might I make someday pull request for you. | 18:51 |
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| Yaniel | Git? I suppose you mean github | 18:52 |
| muppis | Yaniel, yep. | 18:52 |
| muppis | But now to the sauna. | 18:52 |
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| coderus | muppis: ok :D | 18:55 |
| kimmoli | ääh | 18:58 |
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| coderus | ööh | 19:29 |
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| yrjo | hi, is there any way to see the recipient list from my MMS? | 19:52 |
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| Jef91 | What is the latest release/install instructions for Sailfish on the Nexus 4? Finding a few different guides online | 21:41 |
| raa700 | #sailfishporters | 21:42 |
| space_llama | noo, #sailfish-porters | 21:42 |
| space_llama | Forgot this - ;) | 21:42 |
| stephg | #sailfishos-porters, but Jef91 it basically goes install CM 10.1.2, clockwork recovery and then download the zip to the sdcard, boot to recovery and unzip | 21:43 |
| stephg | http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/development/rom-sailfish-os-community-port-t2969823 | 21:43 |
| Jef91 | stephg: pretty sure the nexus 4 doesn't have an sdcard slot | 21:43 |
| Jef91 | thanks for the link | 21:43 |
| Jef91 | also, never really touched android so flashing should be fun. Still using an N900 atm | 21:44 |
| stephg | Jef91, by sdcard I mean whatever the persistent mount point is | 21:44 |
| stephg | (I think it's /sdcard but can't remember) | 21:44 |
| stephg | but full instructions are on that link | 21:44 |
| Jef91 | kk | 21:44 |
| stephg | I didn't realise that there was a 1.1 instance | 21:44 |
| stephg | image sorry | 21:44 |
| stephg | going to install that right now! | 21:45 |
| Jef91 | is the nexus 4 the best supported device that would work in the US? | 21:45 |
| stephg | that or an n5 probably yeah | 21:45 |
| Jef91 | kk | 21:45 |
| Jef91 | wife is getting a new phone so i'll have a free n4 soon | 21:45 |
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| stephg | cool | 21:46 |
| Jef91 | Does pyside/qt4 work on Sailfish OTTB? | 21:48 |
| Jef91 | (I assume qt5 is backwards compatible with qt4, but that might be wrong) | 21:49 |
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| stephg | Jef91 https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish/Python_Development#Python_and_Qt_5 | 21:50 |
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| Jef91 | So thats a no :( | 21:52 |
| Jef91 | Rats. | 21:52 |
| Jef91 | So qt4 apps don't work on sailfish at all then? | 21:52 |
| stephg | not without some porting I don't think so no | 21:53 |
| Jef91 | kk | 21:53 |
| Jef91 | When I started I dove into pyside cause it seemed to have the best docs | 21:53 |
| Jef91 | pyotherside which appears to be the only one official support has little to no documentation | 21:53 |
| coderus | http://pyotherside.readthedocs.org/en/latest/? | 21:54 |
| stephg | ^^ never really looked but that looks quite good | 21:54 |
| Jef91 | coderus: does pyotherside support something like Qt Designer for building GUIs in a point and click manner? | 21:55 |
| Jef91 | building GUIs from code is very frustrating/slow | 21:56 |
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| coderus | Jef91: pyotherside is just library | 21:57 |
| coderus | gui is developed in qtc | 21:57 |
| Jef91 | Sure, but like pyside has tools that allow it to tie into what Qt designer spits out | 21:57 |
| coderus | but qtc designer doesn't support sailfish components | 21:57 |
| Jef91 | for GUIs | 21:57 |
| coderus | so only qml texts :) | 21:57 |
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| Jef91 | Are mer and sailfish the same thing at this point? | 22:05 |
| Jef91 | Or are they still seperate projects? | 22:05 |
| coderus | Is there some *official* page about Sailfish / Nemomobile / Mer relationships? We're tired to explain this again and again for every newcomers :( | 22:07 |
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| Jef91 | That seems like it would be really useful coderus, they all seem kind of blurred together | 22:10 |
| coderus | Basically: SailfishOS = Linux kernel + Mer middleware + Nemomobile middleware + Jolla middleware + Silica UI | 22:10 |
| Jef91 | alrighty | 22:11 |
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| salyavin | Do we really need a division between Nemo and Mer? | 22:40 |
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| Yaniel | not really | 23:43 |
| Yaniel | they are being merged anyway | 23:43 |
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