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| zGrr | moin :) | 08:37 |
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| daitheflu | Hi | 08:47 |
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| lainwir3d | \o | 09:17 |
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| tortoisedoc | https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/status/677506535010910208?ref_src=twsrc^tfw | 11:09 |
| tortoisedoc | lolz | 11:09 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: i guess it's just one of photofunia effects | 11:17 |
| coderus | dirkvl: ^ | 11:17 |
| coderus | https://photofunia.com/effects/jedi | 11:18 |
| tortoisedoc | oh god | 11:20 |
| tortoisedoc | please not another meme site xD | 11:20 |
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| tortoisedoc | when's next update due? this coming week? | 11:23 |
| bluszcz | Today supposed to be a blog post? | 11:24 |
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| dirkvl | coderus: aahhhhhhh | 11:25 |
| dirkvl | photofunia.. | 11:25 |
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| dirkvl | that makes sense | 11:25 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: lol, its not meme site, its effects site | 11:25 |
| coderus | and even have native client in jolla store | 11:25 |
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| dirkvl | ¨Jolla's dead -and the need the use photoshop- have been greatly exaggerated¨ | 11:26 |
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| iekku | well, photofunia has native app, so... | 11:38 |
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| tortoisedoc | iekku : native sfos app? | 12:15 |
| cybette | tortoisedoc: yep https://twitter.com/cybette/status/662692429682900992 | 12:18 |
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| bluszcz | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-back-business/ | 13:14 |
| MoritzJT | thanks! | 13:15 |
| leszek | :) | 13:17 |
| bluszcz | "Now that the immediate financing challenge is resolved we will put our attention to the tablet project and develop a plan for dealing with it." <- does it mean that tablets are go go? | 13:17 |
| MoritzJT | No it means they still have not figured out how to proceed exactly. Currently I guess their relation to the manufacturer is a little bit unclear | 13:18 |
| MoritzJT | communication might be damaged a little. We'll have to wait and see how they resolve things, or if they fail, to tell us we'll get a refund. | 13:18 |
| MoritzJT | I guess... | 13:18 |
| bluszcz | I didn't understand a bit part regarding chineese sailfish tablets? | 13:20 |
| leszek | bluszcz: seems to me like either one pal from the factory just took them and sold them. Or the whole factory/company behind it produced a batch that was not shipped so they put android on and sold them. But I am not sure. China is a strange country in that regards | 13:23 |
| bluszcz | leszek lol, srsly? | 13:24 |
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| tbr | bluszcz: http://merproject.org/logs/%23mer-meeting/%23mer-meeting.2015-12-17.log.html#t2015-12-17T14:49:21 | 13:25 |
| bluszcz | tbr: yes, I read it yesterday, but I didn't understand what is this about | 13:26 |
| tbr | It's just as leszek says. Likely the company either started selling directly or offloaded stock to someone who then went to sell on taobao. | 13:27 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : i'd say the second one | 13:31 |
| leszek | oO very strange. My jolla closed all apps and the twitter stream dissappeared and apparently the weather widget also lost its settings. WTF all ambiances are gone too. Hmm... I think I need to reboot. Since 2.0.0.10 I did not reboot | 13:31 |
| tortoisedoc | it would be illegal for the company to sell them directly | 13:31 |
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| tbr | tortoisedoc: that's also my guess | 13:31 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: well, it's china, who knows who sells what and how... | 13:32 |
| leszek | tortoisedoc: therefor I am guessing someone from the company maybe took them. And its china. They do stuff like that. They also did it with the plasma tablet (vivaldi) | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : heh yea | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | leszek : yea friend of mine had similar experiences (in different market tho) | 13:32 |
| tbr | I doubt someone "took" them. | 13:32 |
| leszek | ok a reboot fixed my jolla. Though I need to reset the weather app as it isn't set to a city | 13:33 |
| tortoisedoc | baa | 13:33 |
| tortoisedoc | the tablet is not "just a platform" ;_; | 13:33 |
| * tortoisedoc wants to get rid of his ipad mini | 13:33 | |
| daitheflu | tortoisedoc: fun, I'm actually looking into buying an ipad | 13:40 |
| tortoisedoc | daitheflu : ipad mini is good | 13:40 |
| tortoisedoc | but not as good as jolla tablet :P | 13:41 |
| leszek | interestingly enough my blackberry playbook still works fine | 13:41 |
| tortoisedoc | and btw you do not want mines as it has cracked screen (again) | 13:41 |
| daitheflu | tortoisedoc: well I think my wife would actually use the ipad, I don't really know if she would use the Jolla Tablet | 13:43 |
| daitheflu | that's why I think a refund is a better option : let them finish SFOS and make it as attractive as iOS or Android (you known, split screen, apps that are made for the tablet, etc...) and then launch a new tablet with up-to-date hw | 13:44 |
| tortoisedoc | daitheflu : what to make of the x produced tablets then? | 13:45 |
| tortoisedoc | ooh | 13:45 |
| * tortoisedoc ideas | 13:45 | |
| tortoisedoc | use them as dev tablets! | 13:45 |
| tortoisedoc | (even tho not everyone who ordered them might be a dev) | 13:45 |
| daitheflu | yep, exactly : dev tablets, demo tablets | 13:47 |
| zGrr | did any of you applied for refound with paypal? | 13:51 |
| MoritzJT | no... I am also wondering if that's possible | 13:52 |
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| daitheflu | zGrr: not yet, but I'm thinking about it | 14:03 |
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| zGrr | whatever outcome of the so called tabletgate (as they call it), i do not think it is possible to produce the tablets. so the refund (this way or the other) seems to be the only option possible. | 14:19 |
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| Igel | is there a supported device list | 14:32 |
| Naranek | refund might actually be a better option. the tablet is pretty buggy. it keeps killing all the programs :D | 14:33 |
| mal- | Igel: you mean this https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adaptations/libhybris ? | 14:33 |
| Igel | dunno | 14:34 |
| Igel | yeah thats excellent | 14:34 |
| Igel | got to go.. | 14:35 |
| Ingvix | Idea for a patch: eventview shortcut to enable or disable devicelock | 14:35 |
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| Ingvix | I don't really need devicelock when I'm at home so it would be a handy to disable it fast | 14:36 |
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| bluszcz | @daitheflu I have an ipad, but after 1.5 year still can't get UI right | 15:51 |
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| daitheflu | bluszcz: I'm not saying that iOS is perfect, but it might be more suitable for average (non geek) users | 15:53 |
| daitheflu | just consider the amount of apps/games available | 15:54 |
| daitheflu | I'd too prefer a Jolla tablet, but one that I can actually use | 15:54 |
| Acce | daitheflu: only because they don't know of better, and have been marketed crap as best, now they're used to it can't help it anymore | 15:55 |
| Acce | they're also not interested in using better tech, cos what they have now works well enough | 15:55 |
| Acce | for facebook and taking selfies | 15:55 |
| daitheflu | Acce: yep, that's my point, if you want them to switch, you have to provide a better product, being different isn't enough if you lack some "basic" features | 15:56 |
| daitheflu | that's sad, but that's how it works nowadays | 15:57 |
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| Acce | well, if sailfishos had all the features of the popularized OSses, it would already be better | 15:58 |
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| daitheflu | Acce: sure | 15:58 |
| Acce | but people expect things to just work(tm) most of the time.. and sfos maybe reaches that level within a few more years | 15:59 |
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| Acce | long time for finding and keeping investors and believers | 15:59 |
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| daitheflu | well, there is a cool community around here that might help reach this state a little bit faster | 16:01 |
| daitheflu | but that's definitely not easy | 16:01 |
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| Acce | yeah, now that stuff might start going to a better direction, I might find more motivation to work on my apps.. best motivation would be to get the tablet though | 16:03 |
| Acce | which might not happen anymore | 16:03 |
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| daitheflu | same here, I'm planning to dive into my app source code again :) | 16:07 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | also people need to be able to help | 16:08 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | and a lot of that depends on Jolla | 16:08 |
| Acce | I been too inactive for the last year.. although I managed to write a few articles on app making | 16:08 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | (not only) due to closed parts of SailfishOS | 16:09 |
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| Acce | M4rtinK_phone_: I guess you mean that making contribution to the open source parts still needs a year of studying how to do it? | 16:09 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | yrs, I could see that happen | 16:10 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | the is not much documentation | 16:10 |
| Acce | yeah | 16:10 |
| tbr | well at least now the mer situation is slowly getting unf*kd | 16:11 |
| tbr | jolla still maintains their own fork of Mer, it seems. | 16:11 |
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| M4rtinK_phone_ | yeah, it is definitely less messy now | 16:25 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | still a lot to be done to get near a sane level though | 16:25 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | like last time there were not even bugzilla components for most of the mer packages/projects in the Mer bugzilla | 16:26 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | also regular bug triage would be a good start | 16:27 |
| tbr | well, we could always take matters into our own hands, declare a date and hold a triage, see if someone disagrees ;) | 16:32 |
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| taixzo_ | Is there any way to not accept a pressed event but still receive positionchanged events? | 21:31 |
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| coderus | taixzo_: usecase please | 21:45 |
| taixzo_ | coderus: I'm making a Swype-style keyboard. I want to pass pressed events to the existing keys, but catch positionchanged events to go into swype mode if finger moves far enough. | 21:49 |
| coderus | what happened with previous swipe keyboard developed and teased in this channel year ago? | 21:54 |
| taixzo_ | Was there? I wasn't in here then | 21:55 |
| eugenio | http://projects.tuxfamily.org/?do=group;name=okboard | 21:56 |
| eugenio | still (relatively) active | 21:56 |
| taixzo_ | Oh, have they released anything one could test yet? | 21:59 |
| eugenio | not that I know of | 22:00 |
| eugenio | code is there though | 22:00 |
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| taixzo_ | I'm trying to make basically a Google Keyboard - type system, with both swipe and voice input | 22:01 |
| taixzo_ | I've already got voice input working, but am stymied for swipe by the qml events model | 22:02 |
| taixzo_ | and their source doesn't help at all, because they aren't using qml | 22:03 |
| coderus | taixzo_: how the hell its possible? :D | 22:04 |
| coderus | http://git.tuxfamily.org/okboard/okb-keyboard.git/tree/qml/eu/cpbm/okboard | 22:04 |
| taixzo_ | wait what | 22:04 |
| taixzo_ | oh, I see, they have two repositories | 22:05 |
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| taixzo_ | no wonder I didn't find any qml in okb-engine :P | 22:05 |
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| taixzo_ | ah, so they are drawing their own keyboard instead of using the system one | 22:06 |
| taixzo_ | I was hoping to avoid that, but it's probably not possible | 22:06 |
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| coderus | why using system keyboard if you want to create your own one? | 22:24 |
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| taixzo_ | coderus: Because it already does a lot of things that I don't want to re-implement, like auto shift keys, symbols, and haptic feedback | 22:29 |
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| coderus | why reimplement? | 22:34 |
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| nagerst | Is there any official demo videos of the usage of sailfish? | 23:40 |
| nagerst | And what is the smalles supported screen size that sailfish would be usable at? | 23:42 |
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| coderus | official... | 23:48 |
| coderus | https://www.youtube.com/user/jollaofficial/videos | 23:48 |
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