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| trench | Hi, anyone of you who are in Oslo Norway? who got a device with the sailfishos? | 05:12 |
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| Ingvix | it seems Unapply all patches on Upgrade didn't work at least as I should have and now I have a couple patches that can't be removed and uninstallation with warehouse doesn't clear them completely either | 06:32 |
| Ingvix | *at least I thought it should | 06:32 |
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| Ingvix | What is there to be done? | 06:43 |
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| abranson | reinstalling the original packages the patched files came from will restore them | 06:47 |
| Ingvix | yes but the situation doesn't change. I still can't remove the patches even after reinstall | 06:50 |
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| ABrownBear | I have some questions about Jolla Phone. I googled a bit and found out that it's easy go get root access and it supports *.apk files but it is possible to update the OS by hand? For instance with rpm? | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah but you rarely would want to, it's like playing a game of jenga | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | due to interdependencies | 06:57 |
| Ingvix | they seem to be uncompatible patches with the latest early-access version | 06:58 |
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| ABrownBear | oh ok. So it's like on Android that you are dependent from the updates from the manufacturer | 07:00 |
| ABrownBear | and after some years you have to buy a new phone due to missing updates | 07:00 |
| Ingvix | So the patches doesn't seem to have effect anymore as the system update rewrote the files the patches edited | 07:04 |
| Ingvix | but the patch packages brought also a settings pages and such and they won't be removed with uninstallation of the packages | 07:05 |
| Ingvix | I'm guessing the best way would be to manually remove the changes and the patches | 07:06 |
| Ingvix | if I don't want to do a factory reset | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | ABrownBear: it's really hard for us to intentionally break a device, though, the platform itself gets updated | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | and those things are two seperate things | 07:07 |
| larstiq | ABrownBear: and there is little reason for us to stop giving you updates | 07:08 |
| ABrownBear | larstiq: And if I buy a Intex Aqua Fish for example. Do I get the updates from Jolla or from Intex then? | 07:09 |
| Ingvix | jolla | 07:10 |
| larstiq | ABrownBear: Jolla does the infrastructure, Intex may decide not to want an update | 07:11 |
| ABrownBear | Well. That's better than on Android where you (doesn't) get updates from Huawei, Samsung, etc | 07:11 |
| ABrownBear | larstiq: oh. so Intex pays Jolla to update their phone? | 07:12 |
| larstiq | ABrownBear: more like devices can/do have separate update schedules | 07:13 |
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| ABrownBear | larstiq: ah. I like the idea | 07:15 |
| ABrownBear | Is there a plan to sell more Jolla phones? | 07:15 |
| larstiq | ABrownBear: Jolla branded, or running Sailfish, or? | 07:16 |
| ABrownBear | Jolla branded but just running Sailfish is also okay I guess | 07:17 |
| ABrownBear | and it should be available in Europe | 07:17 |
| Ingvix | As far as I know, Jolla is focused on developing the system and does not make phones anymore | 07:17 |
| Ingvix | at least for now | 07:18 |
| ABrownBear | Thanks. Then it looks like I have to wait | 07:18 |
| Ingvix | there are sailfishos phones coming though, by their phone manufacturer partners | 07:20 |
| Ingvix | or so I've been led to believe | 07:20 |
| ABrownBear | I hope. Android feels like a jail | 07:24 |
| Ingvix | and rather clumsy to use imho after getting use to sfos | 07:25 |
| ABrownBear | I never used Sailfish OS yet but I like the idea of an OS which gives me easy root access, remote SSH and respects my privacy | 07:28 |
| Armadillo | although all those upcoming phones are not primarily developed for the european market I think | 07:30 |
| Armadillo | Oysters is for Russia, there one for africa | 07:31 |
| Armadillo | only the Turingphone ist sold worldwide I think | 07:31 |
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| ABrownBear | When I look at the specs of Turingphone I don't think I have the >1.000 € for the phone ;) | 07:34 |
| Ingvix | have you checked the unofficial ports? | 07:35 |
| Ingvix | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 07:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | ABrownBear: how tied are you to android apps? | 07:39 |
| Ingvix | I'm guessing that depends what does sfos has to offer with its apps | 07:40 |
| r0kk3rz | not enough | 07:41 |
| Ingvix | of course, in relation to what android apps he usually needs | 07:41 |
| Ingvix | and blah blah no real point | 07:42 |
| Ingvix | I'll stay quiet now | 07:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | Ingvix: yes this conversation has been had way too many times now | 07:44 |
| r0kk3rz | but in general if you're a medium to heavy app user, you'll probably not like sfos without android apps | 07:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | but we have the power of gnu, so theres always that | 07:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | wow, github did something useful for once | 08:05 |
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| Armadillo | r0kk3rz they did? | 08:24 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure if this is a new button or not, but now i can make a pull request to pull changes from upstream fork | 08:25 |
| Armadillo | mhm interesting | 08:26 |
| larstiq | their recent change to not send out review comments line by line also finally makes that usable | 08:27 |
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| ABrownBear | r0kk3rz: oh sorry. I went afk and didn't read your message. I just need WhatsApp (as long as most people doesn't use another) and Signal. | 08:44 |
| r0kk3rz | ABrownBear: we have signal clients, but you're out of luck with whatsapp | 08:45 |
| r0kk3rz | without android compat that is, which is only on commercial sfos devices | 08:45 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: *clears throat* | 08:46 |
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| ABrownBear | r0kk3rz: oh that's sad. Unfortunately | 08:46 |
| ABrownBear | I need WhatsApp | 08:46 |
| r0kk3rz | ABrownBear: we tried, we had multiple whatsapp native clients that worked fine | 08:46 |
| ABrownBear | But Facebook blocks then I think | 08:47 |
| r0kk3rz | but FB/Whatsapp decided they didnt like that and threatened legal action | 08:47 |
| ABrownBear | unsympathetic company | 08:47 |
| nh1402 | sfdroid | 08:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | nh1402: which isnt widely available on ported devices :P | 08:50 |
| nh1402 | yet | 08:51 |
| r0kk3rz | indeed | 08:51 |
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| nh1402 | may main point was that it does exist outside of commercial sfos devices | 08:55 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: that complicates the discussion with would be newcomers to sailfish, much simpler and easier to understand that unless you buy a sailfish device, you dont get the nice ready to use android compat | 08:58 |
| r0kk3rz | i certainly hope that sfdroid reaches a point where i dont have to make that distinction | 08:58 |
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| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: you could help make that a reality. | 09:30 |
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| * andrewalker starts researching about sfdroid :) | 10:34 | |
| Ingvix | can I somehow modify whether patchmanager sees the patch as installed or not? | 10:37 |
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| Ingvix | does patchmanager backup every file it modifies? | 10:40 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: yes i probably could, i need to get it running first | 10:41 |
| Ingvix | so does it fetch the original file from the backup folder when patch is removed or does it just revert the process based on the patch file? | 10:41 |
| Ingvix | it doesn't seem to backup everything | 10:42 |
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| nh1402 | andrewalker: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/sfdroid http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95631 | 10:46 |
| nh1402 | andrewalker: if you feel like helping and/or discussing further then you can head on over to #sfdroid although the channel is more active in the evening. | 10:48 |
| andrewalker | nh1402: interesting. Thanks for the links! | 10:48 |
| andrewalker | Yeah, I join that. I don't know how much help I'll be able to be, but at least I'll lurk :P | 10:48 |
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| Ingvix | are the patches row specific in some way I can't figure out from the unified_diff.patch file or does it just search the text block presented in it from the file that's about to be patched? | 10:56 |
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| Ingvix | I just edited the previously patched file that got changed in the update in to the form that would seem the same as the patch had done but still I can't seem to remove the patch | 10:58 |
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| Ingvix | oh, now it worked | 11:02 |
| Ingvix | funny | 11:02 |
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| Ingvix | A shame the other two patches I got edited quite many files so a little bit more work then | 11:07 |
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| Ingvix | phew, got them out and up again | 12:03 |
| coderus | Ingvix: what are you doing? | 12:12 |
| Ingvix | I was removing patches manually that got messed up with the sfos update | 12:12 |
| Ingvix | well, first learning how to do that and then do it | 12:14 |
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| coderus | rm /var/lib/patchmanager/ausmt/patches | 13:03 |
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| Ingvix | but I also needed to remove the changes that were still intact from the files the update didn't change | 14:11 |
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| Ingvix | so I pretty much checked the files that were effected by the update and removed them from the unified_diff.patch and then got them removed and installed again | 14:18 |
| coderus | you updated with enabled patches? or what the problem? | 14:43 |
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| Ingvix | yes, that was the problem | 18:06 |
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| coderus | how the... we made awesome patch for unapply all patches and someone still ignoring it... | 18:16 |
| Ingvix | the unapply all patches on upgrade patch didn't seem to work how I thought it would | 18:17 |
| coderus | it will literally unapply all patches before upgrade | 18:17 |
| Ingvix | well, it didn't. I don't know what went wrong. It was applied | 18:17 |
| coderus | then it was not applied :D | 18:18 |
| Ingvix | then patchmanager must've tricked me | 18:18 |
| coderus | you updated via ui, not console? | 18:18 |
| Ingvix | ui, yes | 18:18 |
| coderus | then you didnt applied that patch, or you didnt reastarted settings after applying patch :D | 18:19 |
| Ingvix | might've been the second one then. Doesn't matter now though | 18:19 |
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