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| abranson | meeting just starting in #sailfishos-meeting | 08:02 |
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| molan | Question concerning app localization with the Sailfish SDK. Whenever I change or add new code (not changing any qsTr texts), translation files often get messed up (already translated strings become untranslated when building). Is there a way to add ids to translated strings? Or what's the best way to avoid this problem? | 08:05 |
| Nico[m] | You could do this: https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/linguist-id-based-i18n.html | 08:06 |
| Nico[m] | But for me usually the qsTr texts don't mess up, unless I change them. | 08:07 |
| molan | <Nico[m]> Thanks, that's very helpful. I'm suprised as well that the translations get messed up. Good to know that this shouldn't happen. | 08:09 |
| Nico[m] | lbt or sage, I think I need to ask you, if I want an account for git.sailfish.org? I would like to update the meson package and some docs for a few packages, if I have the time for it this weekend. | 08:36 |
| Sellerie | Oh, another random question: What audio backend does SFOS use? | 12:59 |
| mal | pulseaudio | 13:11 |
| Sellerie | That makes life *alot* easier! | 13:11 |
| mal | what are you trying to do? | 13:12 |
| Sellerie | I have a pulse server in my home LAN | 13:12 |
| Sellerie | And sometimes I stream stuff to it directly to play it on my home sound system :D | 13:26 |
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| lbt | Nico[m]: I need a username and email address... | 15:59 |
| Nico[m] | Oh, awesome, thanks. I'm guessing a new username? In that case, I usually use deepbluev7 and nicolas (dot) werner (at) hotmail.de | 16:00 |
| lbt | email coming | 16:02 |
| Nico[m] | Thank you <3 | 16:02 |
| lbt | welcome aboard | 16:02 |
| Nico[m] | Thanks, I hope am not messing up too often :3 | 16:03 |
| Sellerie | Hi, my Xperia 10 just arrived and I unlocked the bootloader and all but the flashing procedure fails with the error that fastboot doesnt know the flash command. Is there any special trick to make fastboot work properly? | 19:01 |
| Sellerie | I am asking because there is a special trick that always helped on my LG G7 and maybe there is something I should know | 19:01 |
| Sellerie | Oh, I assume this is a bug: The flash.sh doesnt seem to parse the fastboot output properly. Like - the device is definitely connected and when I type `fastboot devices` by hand it is definitely showing up and also responding to fastboot commands | 19:05 |
| attah | Using USB3 by any chance? | 19:08 |
| Sellerie | The cable that came with it is USB 3, yeah | 19:11 |
| attah | If you happen to have some, plug it in to a USB2 connector on your computer | 19:12 |
| Sellerie | As a matter of luck I do | 19:12 |
| attah | fastboot is flakier than Kellogg's on many USB3 controllers for some reason | 19:13 |
| Sellerie | s/on many USB controllers// :p | 19:15 |
| attah | possibly | 19:16 |
| attah | didn't help? | 19:16 |
| Sellerie | Oh | 19:16 |
| Sellerie | It did, thanks :) | 19:16 |
| attah | nice | 19:16 |
| Sellerie | I'm currently pretending to be a relevant internet person and writing along my experiences in hope that someone will read them someday :D | 19:17 |
| attah | My new workstation doesn't have any USB2 ports so i had to resurrect my 2007 thinkpad xD | 19:17 |
| attah | hmm? | 19:17 |
| Sellerie | Well I am writing some kinda review | 19:18 |
| Sellerie | Not for any commercial thing or something, just because I can | 19:19 |
| attah | That's at least helpful for people looking to take the plunge | 19:19 |
| Sellerie | That was exactly my thought | 19:19 |
| attah | I've been here forever, but... other people | 19:20 |
| Sellerie | Are you content with SFOS for daily use? | 19:20 |
| attah | That woed describes it pretty well actually | 19:21 |
| attah | ...word | 19:21 |
| Sellerie | "content"? | 19:21 |
| attah | yes | 19:21 |
| Sellerie | Honestly if I can say the same that would be a huge win for me | 19:22 |
| attah | So what is bugging you? | 19:22 |
| Sellerie | About SFOS? I dont know yet | 19:22 |
| Sellerie | But I am 100% bugged out by Android | 19:22 |
| Sellerie | Its booted :D | 19:23 |
| attah | I have a S9 for work... that'l like last years falgship or something... | 19:23 |
| attah | Not impressed | 19:23 |
| Sellerie | Yeah I have an LG G7 ThinQ | 19:23 |
| Sellerie | The community for the device is...uh | 19:23 |
| Sellerie | Well lets put it like that: There are some cool people around | 19:24 |
| Sellerie | Okay at first it booted up, asked for the language, EULA, and then it started to encrypt stuff | 19:26 |
| Sellerie | Well now its stuck inside a fancy coloured glitchy freeze-screen | 19:26 |
| attah | hmm, that's odd | 19:27 |
| Sellerie | Thats probably not supposed to be :D | 19:27 |
| Sellerie | Tried to upload a pic of it to susepaste, but its 2big | 19:28 |
| attah | there is always imgur | 19:29 |
| Sellerie | I recently tried uploading to imgur using spectacle (The KDE Plasma desktop's dedicated screenshot tool) but it apparently required some kinda login now, not sure if I did it wrong or if they actually closed anon uploads | 19:30 |
| Sellerie | That worked: https://imgur.com/a/NITJA37 | 19:33 |
| attah | Interesting.. colors seems somewhat based on the default wallpaper | 19:34 |
| attah | maybe a force-reboot | 19:34 |
| Sellerie | Yep I recognized that too from the website | 19:34 |
| Sellerie | Well I just did exactly that | 19:34 |
| Sellerie | Okay this looks promising again :) | 19:35 |
| attah | good | 19:35 |
| attah | I have been mostly spared from such issues... the Jolla 1 filesystem borked itself a few times though... but that's btrfs on eMMC for you | 19:36 |
| Sellerie | Do they still use BTRFS? | 19:37 |
| attah | no | 19:37 |
| Sellerie | Thank god | 19:37 |
| attah | it sounded like a good idea at the time | 19:38 |
| Sellerie | Dunno I'm 21 but my experiences with computers made me a late-adopter already | 19:38 |
| attah | Interesting... especially that it brings you here | 19:39 |
| Sellerie | Well I am interested in Linux-phones for quite some time now | 19:41 |
| Sellerie | Also took a look at pinephone but imo thats not the kinda phone I want | 19:41 |
| attah | but it does make sense on some level, less tolerance for things not just doing what they should | 19:41 |
| attah | What part of it? | 19:42 |
| Sellerie | 2gb ram, 16gb emmc, wifi b/g/n | 19:42 |
| attah | Yeah, the ram part makes me hesitant as well | 19:43 |
| attah | but storage shouldn't be an issue | 19:43 |
| attah | And nobody actually gets "ac" WiFi speeds anyway | 19:44 |
| Sellerie | It depends | 19:45 |
| attah | Sailfish apps are routinely about 100k in size for even pretty advanced stuff | 19:45 |
| Sellerie | I wrote a small term paper about the differences between wifi n and ac | 19:46 |
| attah | cool | 19:46 |
| Sellerie | I mean, what I know from this is that on clients its actually not that relevant but in APs its crucial especially for heavily packed places | 19:47 |
| attah | okay, i'd have thought it wasn't too big of a difference, but ax would be more interesting | 19:47 |
| Sellerie | I 100% agree | 19:48 |
| Sellerie | But that'll take a while, like it did with wifi ac | 19:49 |
| attah | yup, so no use in waiting for that for a phone upgrade | 19:50 |
| attah | I did my B.Sc. thesis on UMTS (3G) power consumption | 19:50 |
| attah | vs. GSM(2G) and as a function of data patterns etc | 19:50 |
| Sellerie | Oh thats cool | 19:50 |
| Sellerie | UMTS is not really relevant anymore as far as I can tell is it? | 19:51 |
| attah | Not rally, although still pretty widely deployed | 19:51 |
| attah | Not really | 19:51 |
| attah | I can't type today | 19:51 |
| attah | But at least you can get a decent web browsing experience on it, and make proper phone calls | 19:52 |
| attah | whereas for LTE and GSM you only get either | 19:52 |
| Sellerie | I once downloaded some Android games via it :D Got around 10mbit in a quite packed place | 19:53 |
| Sellerie | (it = umts, I was pretty surprised ngl) | 19:53 |
| attah | Technically it can do like 40 or something in deployments that could actually happen | 19:54 |
| attah | But yeah, it is mostly irrelevant now | 19:54 |
| attah | This is the TL;DR, a.k.a. actually good version of my thesis https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/2069131.2069145 | 19:55 |
| attah | As summarized by my instructor | 19:56 |
| Sellerie | Oh that sounds like an interesting read | 19:56 |
| Sellerie | Okay, got a little egg-hen problem now :D | 20:06 |
| attah | hmm? | 20:06 |
| Sellerie | I used a preeetty long password on my Jolla account for the registration that I will not type out on a smartphone keyboard. | 20:07 |
| Sellerie | Well in theory I probably can but it will take a few minutes to type it in xD | 20:07 |
| attah | Well, you can connect a physical keyboard | 20:07 |
| attah | ...or change the password to something that better reflects how precious that account is | 20:08 |
| Sellerie | You imply that its not? :D | 20:09 |
| attah | well, not really | 20:10 |
| attah | it is basically your key to the chosen nickname, and a couple of licenses | 20:10 |
| Sellerie | Okay, looks like I cannot change the password by proper means. | 20:11 |
| Sellerie | (I cannot see any "account settings" or similar on the jolla website) | 20:11 |
| attah | it's not like anyone could make you pay for things with it | 20:11 |
| attah | Yeah.. links to thins are ofteh pretty MIA on that page | 20:11 |
| Sellerie | Well imma just use the password reset | 20:12 |
| Sellerie | Not that of an elegant solution | 20:12 |
| attah | https://account.jolla.com/ | 20:12 |
| attah | there you go | 20:13 |
| Sellerie | Already done resetting the PW :D | 20:13 |
| Sellerie | But thanks, I'll bookmark that | 20:13 |
| attah | Hmm, i apparently have 7 devices | 20:13 |
| Sellerie | Oh no, just logged into the store, what do I see third? Damn aptoide | 20:17 |
| Sellerie | Guess I'll never outrun the spirit of Android | 20:17 |
| attah | Well, the Android runtime is a good help for interacting with the rest of society | 20:18 |
| Sellerie | 100% agree | 20:18 |
| attah | Like e-ID and mobile payments | 20:18 |
| Sellerie | But Aptoide's definitely not the way to go | 20:18 |
| Sellerie | You mean like Google Pay? o.O | 20:18 |
| attah | Not anymore at least | 20:18 |
| attah | no | 20:19 |
| attah | In my case, "Swish" by the Swedish banking cartel | 20:19 |
| Sellerie | Ah | 20:19 |
| Sellerie | Well I could try my bank's app aswell | 20:19 |
| attah | Not counting stores, i have those, Audible, Spotify, Untappd and Trello | 20:20 |
| attah | that sums up my life surprisingly well | 20:20 |
| Sellerie | I am mostly content with F-droid | 20:22 |
| Sellerie | Used it on my Android as a primary source for apps aswell | 20:23 |
| attah | although for SFOS the native apps are more likely to replace those, than the few you'd need to get from e.g. Aurora | 20:24 |
| Sellerie | So I just installed F-Droid from the Jolla store. I assumed its in the list of apps on the homescreen but its not? | 20:25 |
| attah | that's odd... | 20:25 |
| attah | so i assume you have the Android runtime... but is it running? | 20:26 |
| Sellerie | Thats an excellent question | 20:26 |
| Sellerie | I have no idea :p | 20:26 |
| attah | (the Android runtime is installed like an app from store) | 20:26 |
| attah | I assume Android apps are hidden in store if you don't have it | 20:27 |
| attah | settings for it are towards the end of the regular settings app | 20:27 |
| Sellerie | I just searched for "runtime" in the Jolla store but it cant find anything | 20:27 |
| attah | maybe try Android | 20:28 |
| attah | ...and it will only be available if you have a paid license | 20:28 |
| Sellerie | Ooh | 20:28 |
| Sellerie | Well that will be it | 20:28 |
| Sellerie | I am currently on the free trial | 20:28 |
| attah | so explore other stuff fore a bit, and then take the plunge i guess | 20:29 |
| Sellerie | I'm trying to make myself home right now | 20:30 |
| Sellerie | Found some public transport, weather and keepass app, looks good to me right now | 20:30 |
| Sellerie | Bummer, no syncthing for me | 20:31 |
| attah | seems to be available from openrepos.org | 20:33 |
| attah | not familiar with it though | 20:33 |
| attah | oh.. .net | 20:33 |
| attah | https://openrepos.net/search/node/syncthing | 20:33 |
| Sellerie | hmm? | 20:33 |
| attah | That's where people put up apps that don't conform to the allowed set of APIs etc | 20:34 |
| attah | Kinda the F-Droid of SFOS or something | 20:34 |
| Sellerie | Rather sounds like the AUR of SFOS | 20:35 |
| attah | Arch... *shudder* | 20:35 |
| Sellerie | Yeah same | 20:36 |
| Sellerie | But it exists | 20:36 |
| attah | fortunately, so does better options :) | 20:36 |
| attah | anyway.. i'm off to bed. Nice talking to you, and good luck | 20:37 |
| Nico[m] | Openrepos is pretty awesome, it has a lot of UI patches too :3 | 20:40 |
| Sellerie | Oh, attah's gone already :/ | 20:46 |
| Sellerie | Oh, noob question: How do I install an app from openrepos? | 21:00 |
| Nico[m] | Usually you download the Storeman RPM and install that | 21:00 |
| Sellerie | Okay | 21:03 |
| Sellerie | I may have seen a "terminal" app earlier. Where has it gone? | 21:04 |
| Sellerie | I could be entirely wrong though | 21:05 |
| Sellerie | Oh, it's back o.O | 21:08 |
| Nico[m] | You need developer mode for the terminal app | 21:16 |
| Sellerie | Makes sense | 21:22 |
| Sellerie | Thanks for all the help so far :) | 21:31 |
| Sellerie | I'm also slowly getting used to the UI concept but I guess it will take a while | 21:32 |
| Nico[m] | I dunno. It was the first smartphone UI I actually used (on the N9), so I can't tell, how hard it is to get used to ;p | 21:37 |
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| Sellerie | I see ^^ | 23:04 |
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