| JadeDroid | both competition *and something that people are happy to put on your hardware* <brain went sideways> | 00:00 |
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| mal | I think you misunderstood the price increase, the earlier sales had discount | 00:00 |
| mal | basically | 00:00 |
| JadeDroid | Is it going to become a $1k phone? | 00:04 |
| mal | no | 00:05 |
| JadeDroid | I s'pose the perception of hike over discount is the regular price of other phones, including X10, being lower than when this was the lowest price. | 00:06 |
| JadeDroid | Oh...I forgot currency conversion. It's not close at all | 00:08 |
| mal | do note the different amounts devices produced etc, the various costs outside the actual device hardware production have quite different effect on price | 00:12 |
| JadeDroid | That hurts my brain to think about because I'm mostly familiar with bulk order stuff where the price decreases with higher volume. The only major problem that comes to mind would be storage, but that's what batch processes are batch processing tends to increase in effectiveness with each round. | 00:17 |
| mal | early hardware design etc costs money, so does software development, personnel costs and so on, those costs the get divided per device sold | 00:19 |
| JadeDroid | that too is something that decreases across higher volume, so it's not helping me understand the argument | 00:20 |
| mal | that was the point, device that is not produced in very large quantities of course will cost more per device | 00:21 |
| mal | or was this about the discount still? | 00:21 |
| JadeDroid | Yeah; I struggle picturing that being a "discounted" price when it's introductory and ensuring full payment prior to production order, because they need to cover at least the minimum recoup costs. This seems a lot more like the first price would be minimum to still support the company and follow-up increases would be in response to success. | 00:30 |
| JadeDroid | I would have still bought it right away without question if it weren't for currency conversion. 600 suddenly becomes 700 and that's almost enough for two nightmarephones. | 00:41 |
| JadeDroid | I'm really curious about "voluntary os subscription" That seems like it's just a donation, with different phrasing? | 00:47 |
| JadeDroid | I'm mostly confused because license implies a link between the installed OS and an authorization for use. | 00:49 |
| mal | well discounts are common part of marketing | 00:57 |
| JadeDroid | I read that a few times now and still feel very confused what meaning I'm meant to draw. | 00:59 |
| mal | don't overthink it | 01:03 |
| JadeDroid | It feels like you're saying discount was a meaningless word in the first place | 01:05 |
| mal | it was a discount since the price changes were planned and not in response the success like you suggested | 01:08 |
| JadeDroid | Will newer Xperia versions be supported or was that just for special releases? | 01:12 |
| mal | I can't say anything about plans | 01:12 |
| JadeDroid | ah... this isn't available to me anyway | 01:14 |
| JadeDroid | I suppose my current phone is working well enough. I've figured out to do things like put it into airplane mode before charging--since avoiding forced updates also magically prevents all sort of "age-related" wear. I'm excited to see how the price changes with wider availability. Hopefully that happens before I let an accidental update wreck this thing. | 01:24 |
| JadeDroid | mal: Thanks for putting up with all of my questions. | 01:26 |
| robthebold[m] | JadeDroid: Not available to me either, but hoping a re-shipper agent will work ok. Not gonna lie, I don't know what I'm doing. And who knows what could happen over the course of half a year w.r.t. import taxes.😕 | 01:36 |
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