11:03:55 #startmeeting Nemo Steering Group Meeting 11:03:55 Meeting started Tue Jan 3 11:03:55 2012 UTC. The chair is Stskeeps. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Meetings. 11:03:55 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 11:04:31 welcome to the first steering group meeting in the new year :) 11:04:44 :) 11:05:17 hi! 11:05:41 after last steering group meeting we released 0.20111208.2.NEMO.2011-12-22.1 11:05:46 o/ 11:05:49 which was met with quite good reviews, as far as i could see 11:05:58 yes, very much 11:06:08 #info Good feedback for Nemo #12-22 11:06:21 (a bit more minutes) 11:06:22 #link http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20111208.2.NEMO.2011-12-22.1/ 11:06:54 we had another round of bug triage, managing to get through all nonprioritized bugs yesterday, 11:07:15 #link http://mer.bfst.de/meetings/mer-meeting/2012/mer-meeting.2012-01-02-08.04.html 11:09:12 Happy New Year :) 11:09:36 you too 11:10:22 welcome harha as well :) 11:10:30 Thanks 11:10:40 so, what are we doing currently? we're working on the toolchain upgrade and fixing up last packages, so we can validate it with nemo images 11:11:16 ie, fixing up things in nemo as the linker is more strict now 11:11:29 hi 11:11:31 which should yield better app launch times too 11:12:09 Q: will you check that nemo remains binary compatible with harmattan? 11:12:30 meaning at least same level as before 11:12:42 I think we can probably do that :) 11:13:00 Biggest issue will probably when we want to use a newer version of Qt .. 11:13:04 given that gcc c++ abi isn't changing, we should be on a decent side 11:13:05 yep 11:13:21 It would be really important from app developer perspective since harmattan sdk is the only user friendly tool available for app development 11:13:36 though Qt is already newer isn't it 11:13:37 ..Nokia QtSDK to be more precise 11:13:43 Yesa 11:13:49 jukkaeklund: right, we're about to embark on 4.8.0 and things still seem to work 11:13:49 s/a// 11:13:58 (harmattan's 4.7) 11:14:06 which sounds good 11:14:19 between 4.7 and 4.8 there is not too much changes. 5 is different story 11:14:28 Good, but Vesku has valid point anyway .. 11:14:45 About QtSDK 11:15:02 i'm waiting a bit to see what QtOnPi guys has in mind for SDK, as that will drive Mer direction too 11:15:08 yeah 11:15:14 as those are people who are intimately involved with the qt sdk 11:15:34 ok 11:15:48 with the SB2 work that has been done with OBS, we can probably start offering a nice platform SDK as well 11:16:28 Stskeeps: that would be nice, I still haven't got local builds from C-OBS decently working 11:16:39 SB2 would be much nicer 11:16:39 status on this is that all packages in Mer build at this moment, so we'll switch to this once the next release are out the door likely 11:18:08 alterego: Qt is forwards-compatible (meaning you can take apps built for 4.7 and run them on 4.8 but not backwards (4.8 may not run on 4.7) 11:18:35 w00t: ah, right :) 11:19:02 we already run 4.8 RC, I'll probably try (again) to get 4.8 final done tonight in mer 11:19:12 on development pace side, i'm testing out phaeron's patch for OBS that allows us to get results on integration much faster, ie, one central package modification won't cause a full rebuild anymore 11:19:16 w00t, cool 11:19:36 so there'll be faster response on nemo BOSS process and on mer contributions 11:19:51 would that help with getting smaller zypper updates also..? 11:19:52 Stskeeps: And a lot less load on machinery I suppose 11:19:56 veskuh: that too 11:20:15 jukkaeklund: yes 11:20:17 jukkaeklund: we can possibly add delta rpms from one mer release to another 11:20:22 as well 11:20:41 dudes, you are making my day :) 11:20:58 let me file an architectual bug about that 11:21:18 delta RPMs, whacky. 11:21:46 ok, I just finished fixing the Project:MTF:Tracker packages against the new Mer prelease so we should get test images out soon. 11:22:07 Sage and that is with new toolchain? 11:22:15 yes 11:22:46 #info test image of Nemo with new toolchain and latest Mer coming soon 11:23:17 #info I did a tutorial of using QtSDK to build apps for Nemo 11:23:21 #link http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedUsingQtSDK 11:23:32 veskuh, that was great thanks 11:23:46 Cool 11:24:03 btw, qtonpi is rpm based 11:24:23 #info I have 2 more tutorials on TODO list that I'll do unless somebody does them first 11:24:24 and we already agreed to collaborate on shared packaging type if possible 11:24:28 #info 1) Getting started in using Community OBS for building packages for Nemo 11:24:39 #info 2) Getting started in fixing bugs in existing software packages of Nemo 11:25:14 Stskeeps: great 11:27:47 and again, remember there's a meetup/devroom in FOSDEM, we'll have nice talks about Maliit, Qt5 UIs, Mer, Tizen, SyncEvolution, KDE Mobile, Qt Quick, QtOnPi and Nemo Mobile :) 11:28:31 oh, and OpenMoko Freerunner (GTA04) 11:29:09 I am going! 11:29:12 o/ 11:29:18 BTW, what is the Nemo topic specifically? 11:29:54 provided Sage shows up, how to contribute to the project and brief intro 11:29:58 it's small 15 min talks so 11:30:20 * dm8tbr waves 11:30:26 would it make sense to have (app) developer oriented talk also? 11:30:40 i think we have that a bit with qt quick 11:30:54 there's still space, so any ideas for extra content welcome though, if someone wants to volunteer 11:30:55 basically what veskuh has been blogging 11:35:47 I've also worked on rebasing of Helium on QtComponents. Runs quite fine on my HeliumReborn fork and I'll try merge to upstream soon. 11:35:54 #link http://veskuh.blogspot.com/2011/12/heliumreborn-for-nemo.html 11:36:17 do I hear multi touch.. 11:36:31 jukkaeklund: No solution for that yet. There I'd need help 11:36:38 stskeeps, I'll write you a proposal for talk if that's ok 11:36:48 jukkaeklund: ok, ideally get me it before 7th, or at least a title 11:37:44 sure 11:37:49 can do :) 11:39:52 on FOSDEM, let's have a F2F meeting at some time since many of us will be there? 11:40:13 :nod: 11:43:50 another q: status of apps.formeego.org discovery app? 11:44:03 help needed? 11:45:44 hmm, that was on lbt on that last time 11:46:22 Problem was that Harmattan has cool ui but uses wrong backend, and old meego one used meego-ux 11:46:44 yep 11:46:45 so in real life almost new app needed 11:47:10 UI looked nice 11:47:32 veskuh is correct 11:48:13 this also relates to http://wiki.qt-project.org/Software_Catalog 11:49:19 reference app would be good 11:56:28 okay, think we can wrap up then 11:56:32 thank you all for coming 11:56:35 #endmeeting