14:02:21 <Stskeeps> #startmeeting Mer bug triage 9/1/2011 14:02:21 <MerBot> Meeting started Mon Jan 9 14:02:21 2012 UTC. The chair is Stskeeps. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Meetings. 14:02:21 <MerBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:02:32 <Stskeeps> #info From next week, we have this meeting at 12:00 UTC instead 14:02:49 <Stskeeps> we'll be going through this bugzilla search: https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?emailassigned_to1=1&query_format=advanced&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&bug_severity=normal&bug_severity=trivial&bug_severity=enhancement&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=TRIAGEDUPSTREAM&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=need-triage&emailtype1=substring 14:03:15 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76 - Bug 76 - Update zypper to latest upstream version 14:03:34 <Stskeeps> lbt, will you do the honors of setting the bug flags etc as we go? 14:03:46 <lbt> hehe .... was just typing that 14:04:00 <Stskeeps> i think this one should be a task, with high priority 14:05:08 <Stskeeps> any objections? 14:05:17 <lbt> nope ... any takers yet? 14:05:31 <lbt> "not-taken" then 14:05:54 <lbt> as per http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Bug_Lifecycle#Triage ? 14:05:57 <Stskeeps> right 14:06:09 <lbt> done 14:06:31 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91 - Bug 91 - Mer build/versioning policy needs clarification 14:06:43 <Stskeeps> medium, we'll discuss a bit direction of it in release management meeting tomorrow? 14:06:46 <Stskeeps> and should be a task 14:07:14 <lbt> I'll take, cc you 14:07:18 <lbt> Sage: cc you too? 14:07:40 <lbt> (yes) 14:08:14 <lbt> err... done 14:08:27 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95 - Bug 95 - Mer package signing is not implemented 14:08:50 <Stskeeps> same, task, medium, -> "Implement Mer package signing in release process"? 14:09:04 <Stskeeps> discuss tomorrow 14:09:10 <lbt> OK, that works 14:09:15 <lbt> medium or high 14:09:37 <Sage> lbt: sure 14:10:07 <Sage> Stskeeps: :nod: 14:10:22 <Stskeeps> medium, i guess, since it needs to be done correctly and thought about, not a high prio rush job :) 14:10:56 <lbt> mmm ... high means "start soon", not "finish soon" 14:11:11 <Stskeeps> mm, true 14:11:12 <lbt> and "stop procrastinating about it" 14:11:16 <Stskeeps> ok, high then 14:11:37 <lbt> *totally* agree on thinking it through... it's why I've never set one up :) 14:11:48 <Stskeeps> ok, moving on to not-taken bugs 14:11:50 <lbt> not-taken for a bit 14:11:52 <Stskeeps> #topic not-taken bugs: 14:12:05 <Stskeeps> https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?emailassigned_to1=1&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=not-taken&emailtype1=substring 14:12:47 <lbt> mm 14:12:55 <lbt> maybe we should do this first next time :) 14:13:04 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34 - Bug 34 - python randomly fails to build 14:13:14 <Stskeeps> nah, some of them are pretty important to get taken :P 14:13:36 <Stskeeps> this one, we need someone to investigate what graminit.c is initialized from - it looks autogenerated or it wouldn't crash each time 14:13:57 <Stskeeps> there are multiple potential reasons why it randomly breaks: make -j too high, or sort ordering in file system somehow being off at times 14:14:09 <Stskeeps> any takers to look into what causes it? 14:14:49 <vgrade> \o 14:14:55 <Stskeeps> alright 14:15:00 <Stskeeps> #info assign to vgrade 14:15:12 <Stskeeps> vgrade: if you have any questions with it, feel free to prod me naturally 14:15:16 <Stskeeps> it is difficult to chase 14:15:39 <vgrade> thanks 14:15:46 <lbt> assigned 14:16:10 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73 - Bug 73 - ofonod segfaults at boot on N900 14:16:34 <Stskeeps> we have backtraces now 14:16:57 <Stskeeps> #1 0x00074364 in ofono_dbus_signal_property_changed (conn=0xea1220, path=<value optimized out>, interface=0xccd88 "org.ofono.NetworkOperator", name=0x0, type=115, value=0xbe8525f4) at src/dbus.c:193 seems wrong 14:17:12 <Stskeeps> (see the 0x0?) 14:18:08 <Stskeeps> any takers? 14:19:48 <Stskeeps> alright, since no takers for the bug we'll leave it at not-taken@ 14:20:08 <lbt> prio change? 14:20:22 <Stskeeps> seems correct to me 14:20:32 <Stskeeps> maybe critical since it's a crash 14:20:51 <lbt> critical prevents device from booting iirc 14:21:05 <Stskeeps> mm 14:21:09 <lbt> "major major loss of function" 14:21:12 <lbt> I guess 14:21:15 <Stskeeps> ok, major then 14:21:31 <lbt> I assume the rest of the device stays up :) 14:21:55 <lbt> (just making sure we use the values as per definition - or change the definition) 14:22:01 <Stskeeps> right, that's the end of the list for today 14:22:18 <Stskeeps> i think we should possibly have another meeting to help prioritize unprioritized tasks 14:22:23 <Stskeeps> https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?emailassigned_to1=1&query_format=advanced&bug_severity=task&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=need-triage&emailtype1=substring 14:22:40 <lbt> that should be a one-off shouldn't it 14:23:00 <Stskeeps> hmm? 14:23:19 <lbt> all tasks should be given a prio in triage 14:23:34 <lbt> so sure, we need to do this... but only once (hopefully) 14:23:53 <Stskeeps> think it's a continous evaluation of tasks 14:23:56 <lbt> (btw.... most of them need re-assigning to not-taken) 14:23:59 <Stskeeps> yes 14:24:29 <lbt> all I'm saying is that that search will be empty most of the time 14:24:40 <Stskeeps> true 14:24:51 <lbt> but I was going to add that we should be looking to review prio of not-taken regularly 14:25:00 <Stskeeps> yes 14:25:01 <lbt> which may be the same goal :) 14:25:31 <lbt> is now good? 14:26:20 <Stskeeps> i vote to switch to not-taken@ all of them and then review them, i guess 14:26:25 <lbt> OK 14:26:43 <Stskeeps> i'll do that.. 14:26:48 <lbt> nah 14:26:50 <lbt> wait 14:27:04 <Stskeeps> (there's a change multiple bugs functionality) 14:27:08 <lbt> it's processing 14:27:12 <lbt> yes, using that 14:27:24 <lbt> done 14:27:26 <Stskeeps> k 14:27:38 <lbt> *g* shows how slow our bz is 14:28:14 <Stskeeps> ok, https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?priority=High&priority=Normal&priority=Low&priority=Undecided&emailassigned_to1=1&query_format=advanced&bug_severity=task&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=not-taken&emailtype1=substring then 14:29:07 <Stskeeps> #topic Task priority triage 14:29:27 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 - Bug 15 - Switch from libjpeg to libjpeg-turbo 14:29:38 <Stskeeps> i'd say high priority, as there is significant performance benefits in this 14:29:41 <Stskeeps> especially on ARM systems 14:29:44 <Stskeeps> and on SSSE3 systems 14:29:49 <lbt> sec... that's only 'tasks' 14:29:50 <lbt> https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?emailassigned_to1=1&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=not-taken&emailtype1=substring 14:31:02 <Stskeeps> mmkay 14:31:15 <Stskeeps> any objections to high? 14:31:35 <Stskeeps> or takers (anyone who wants to do it), for that matter? 14:32:20 <lbt> (FYI I'm not going to take until my list is smaller) 14:32:29 <Stskeeps> ok, if anyone wants to take a task, just raise a hand as we go :) 14:32:32 <Stskeeps> #info high 14:33:05 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19 - Drop GL support from Mer Core 14:33:06 <lbt> I'm adding a note to the bug - feedback to OP that there is activity 14:33:34 <Stskeeps> low priority, it's not really harming anyone at the moment, but it's a nice thing to do to make packaging story simpler 14:33:39 <Stskeeps> and APIs in use 14:34:34 <lbt> done 14:34:35 <Stskeeps> #info low 14:34:47 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26 - Evaluate dash as /bin/sh vs /bin/bash, disk/memory footprint/boot time/impact 14:35:08 <Stskeeps> medium, as it's a bit of a cost vs benefit thing, would be useful to see what we would actually gain on it 14:35:15 <Stskeeps> architectual backlog, FWIW 14:35:36 <Sage> btw, that Drop GL is need info. Solution exists if decision is made. 14:35:40 <Stskeeps> i'm also pondering if we can support dual stack Mer, one with gnu utilities, one with busybox 14:35:43 <Stskeeps> ok 14:36:00 <lbt> how do you want to mark architectural backlog ? 14:36:09 <Stskeeps> project-core severity=task is architectual backlog 14:36:24 <Stskeeps> just letting you know it's in that category 14:36:41 * lbt reaches for the wiki 14:37:04 <Stskeeps> #info medium - cost/benefit thing, useful to check what we can gain on it 14:37:13 <Stskeeps> #info drop GL is in NEEDINFO, solutions exist but need info to proceed 14:37:37 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27 - Evaluate benefits eglibc vs glibc, in terms of packaging, cross compilation and footprint/impact 14:37:58 <Stskeeps> i propose medium priority - it's best for all of us if we stay close to linaro gcc and their setup, which is eglibc 14:38:05 <Stskeeps> as we can get help for compiler errors 14:38:48 <Stskeeps> the fedora glibc packaging is a tad awkward, so 14:40:08 <lbt> done? 14:40:28 <Stskeeps> #info medium priority - it's best for all of us if we stay close to linaro gcc and their setup, which includes eglibc 14:40:48 <Stskeeps> #topic Bug 28 - Drop gamin dependancy - https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28 14:41:11 <Stskeeps> #info this is in glib2 and a oneliner - we can drop the gcc atomics patch for armv6 now as well while someone's at it anyway 14:41:35 <Stskeeps> low prio - sage, perhaps you can take it as you touched it last? 14:42:59 <Sage> I can take this sure 14:43:04 <Stskeeps> #info low, sage takes 14:43:18 <lbt> done 14:43:24 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29 - Drop gamin from core 14:43:34 <Stskeeps> low, this can be assigned to me when gamin dep is removed 14:43:39 <Stskeeps> #info low, this can be assigned to me when gamin dep is removed 14:44:09 <lbt> done 14:44:17 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30 - bash should link against system readline, not against it's own copy 14:44:21 <Stskeeps> nice junior job 14:44:37 <Stskeeps> low priority, not terribly important, but nice to clean out memory a little bit 14:44:51 <lbt> I'll take it - I need to run through some process checks 14:44:58 <Stskeeps> k 14:45:12 <Stskeeps> #info low, not terribly important, but nice to clean out memory a little bit, lbt assignee 14:45:58 <Stskeeps> #topic Move ntpdc and ntpq to ntp-utils package to save footprint - Bug 31 - https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31 14:46:14 <Stskeeps> this is also a junior job, the reasoning is that we then can drop libedit from image 14:46:21 <Stskeeps> connman uses ntp directly, not through command line tools 14:46:31 <Stskeeps> low priority? 14:46:39 <lbt> yes 14:46:53 <Stskeeps> #info low, junior job, the reasoning is that we then can drop libedit from image 14:47:00 <Stskeeps> #info connman uses ntp directly, not through command line tools 14:47:35 <Stskeeps> #topic pixman should be upgraded to 0.24 - https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35 14:47:57 <Stskeeps> #info medium, is probably related to overall performance improvements 14:48:26 <Stskeeps> #link http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/pixman.git;a=tree 14:48:40 <lbt> aside: do we need an upstream-new-release-tracking process ? 14:48:47 <Stskeeps> it would be useful to have something 14:49:42 <lbt> it's almost like we need a package database... 14:49:52 <Stskeeps> packages.xml ;) 14:49:59 <Stskeeps> i'm going to skip 38-51 as they are the bashism ones and already low priority 14:50:39 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52 - Switch from DWARF-3 to DWARF-4 in order to save debuginfo space 14:50:45 <Stskeeps> #info assign to stskeeps, medium 14:50:56 <Stskeeps> i already have a patch waiting for this, so 14:52:30 <Stskeeps> #topic Switch db4 to libdb, 5.2.36 and switch RPM to it - https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53 14:52:49 <Stskeeps> this is a bit more complex, integrating a new package and switching RPM to be using this instead of db4 14:53:05 <Stskeeps> i'd say medium prio as it can be benefits in package performance/solidity 14:53:48 <lbt> any info for potential takers? 14:54:33 <Stskeeps> sec 14:55:27 <Stskeeps> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=rpm.git;a=blob;f=rpm.spec;h=323ee6af83ac6e422e0ff07258f899c3b4defb14;hb=HEAD , http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=libdb.git;a=tree 14:55:36 <Stskeeps> we don't need to care about db1.85 14:56:22 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54 - Bug 54 - Include package build logs to the releases 14:56:26 <Stskeeps> triage in tomorrow's meeting? 14:57:10 <Stskeeps> medium prio, i think 14:57:20 <Sage> or even low 14:57:28 <Sage> it is not so important for general usage 14:57:38 <Sage> more like nice to have if someone has time to do it 14:57:39 <lbt> it's part of what vendors need 14:58:02 <Sage> well, that is true. 14:58:03 <lbt> how about NEEDINFO 14:58:17 <lbt> and putting some thought into what/when/how ? 14:58:26 <Stskeeps> mmk 14:58:45 <Stskeeps> #info handle in RM discussions 14:58:46 <lbt> This is part of Mer's information systems 14:59:02 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57 - dbus-glib is now merged to glib upstream so we should remove it 14:59:06 <lbt> and should be part of our deliverables - nice clear info 14:59:14 <lbt> OK... moving on then... 14:59:40 <Stskeeps> this is still in use by upower and ConsoleKit 14:59:46 <Stskeeps> and gconf 15:00:05 <Stskeeps> and dbus-python(?) 15:00:17 <Stskeeps> so low priority for now? 15:00:57 <Sage> Sounds good to me. 15:01:04 <Sage> ConsoleKit can be removed but need to check rest 15:01:40 <Stskeeps> #info low, still in use by upower and ConsoleKit and gconf and dbus-python 15:01:53 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58 - nss should be upgraded to NSS_3_13_1_RTM 15:02:12 <Stskeeps> high, as this may include security fixes, and is one of our central security libraries 15:03:22 <Stskeeps> #info high 15:04:51 <lbt> done 15:05:05 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59 - nspr should be upgraded to 4.8.9 15:05:14 <Stskeeps> probably is a requirement of NSS anyway 15:06:06 <lbt> blocks? 15:06:14 <Stskeeps> think so 15:06:19 <Stskeeps> a 'weak' blocks, at least 15:06:39 <Stskeeps> so medium prio 15:06:50 <lbt> blocks a high 15:06:53 <Stskeeps> yeah, ok 15:06:56 <Stskeeps> high then? 15:06:59 <Stskeeps> #topic PAM should use system db4, not it's own - https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69 15:07:37 <Stskeeps> you'd be surprised how many copies of sqlite and db4 there's around 15:07:47 <lbt> :) 15:07:50 <Stskeeps> low priority too though 15:07:52 <lbt> yes 15:08:02 * Sage thinks that he can take some of those 15:08:26 <Stskeeps> just assign them to yourself then 15:08:30 <Stskeeps> #topic e2fsprogs should be upgraded to 1.42 15:08:31 <lbt> Sage: time to teach people how to fish I think.... 15:08:51 <Stskeeps> medium, junior job, always good to follow basic system utilities 15:09:23 <Sage> lbt: ? :) 15:09:42 <Sage> Stskeeps: You probably will announce list of stuff people can take if interested? 15:09:45 <Stskeeps> yes, i will 15:09:54 <lbt> give a man a fish/bug, feed him for a day.... teach a man to fish/debug... feed him for life 15:10:04 <Stskeeps> so leave some free ;) 15:10:14 <lbt> Stskeeps: I was thinking we could do a blog/tweet 15:10:18 <Stskeeps> next one is ofonod bug, we'll skip that 15:10:20 <Stskeeps> lbt: mailing list atm 15:10:25 <Sage> Stskeeps: hehe, ok :) 15:10:37 <lbt> yeah, or email ... 15:10:47 <Stskeeps> bug 76 we already prioritized 15:11:09 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78 - Bug 78 - Releases should have delta RPMs 15:11:31 <Stskeeps> medium, useful to have, discuss tomorrow in RM? 15:12:09 <Sage> sure, I don't see this very high prio as it doesn't block anything afaik, just increases the speed of update 15:12:20 <Stskeeps> :nod: 15:12:23 <lbt> not low? 15:12:30 <Stskeeps> low then 15:12:43 <lbt> this is 'today's prio' ... we get to do this ... monthly ? 15:12:49 <Stskeeps> 14 days or so 15:13:13 <lbt> better 15:13:54 <Stskeeps> #topic https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84 - Package eglinfo and glestest for easy EGL testing 15:14:02 <Stskeeps> junior job, low, but very useful for hardware adaptations 15:14:15 <Sage> imporance high :) 15:14:23 <lbt> yes 15:14:39 <Stskeeps> ok, high.. 15:14:39 <Stskeeps> :P 15:14:49 <Sage> pain in the *** when doing new adaptation :) 15:14:54 <lbt> package name? 15:15:18 <Sage> was it in mesa or something? 15:15:32 <lbt> there are links to the source 15:15:34 <Stskeeps> this is just some non-mesa ones since mesa usually drags in odd windowing system stuff 15:15:37 <lbt> so I assume a new pkg 15:15:37 <Stskeeps> works just fine 15:16:03 <Stskeeps> #topic Bug 85 - Investigate variables for deciding if a %post/RPM scriptlet happens during build, image install or on active device - https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85 15:16:23 <Stskeeps> this is a bit of a feature request/thing that came up in discussion, in order to differ in %post and %pre between those scenarios 15:16:40 <lbt> sec 15:16:52 <lbt> 84 : Will need a new standalone package, git repo etc. ? 15:16:59 <Stskeeps> yes 15:17:02 <lbt> done 15:17:19 <lbt> hmm 15:17:28 <Stskeeps> i'd say medium priority because i'm just sure we'll hear than in actual product programmes too.. discuss fully in RM meetings tomorrow? 15:17:29 <lbt> I'm looking into this kind of thing 15:17:39 <Stskeeps> than=that 15:17:44 <lbt> with the lua/rpm 15:18:24 <Stskeeps> :nod: 15:18:40 <Stskeeps> #topic Switch to using %if's for test suites for QEMU issues instead of %ifarch - https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86 15:19:01 <Stskeeps> this is a bit of a project-wide thing, that we can tell if we're building with a qemu or an actual device 15:19:08 <Stskeeps> because eventually, we will want to run testcases on actual devices 15:19:23 <Stskeeps> i'd say medium priority 15:20:13 <Stskeeps> right now we do %ifarch %{arm} mipsel etc 15:20:16 <Stskeeps> which isn't cool 15:20:16 <Stskeeps> :P 15:21:16 <lbt> I think make this blocked by an "rpm/variable usage policy" 15:21:29 <lbt> which I'm kinda working on with the kernel pkg 15:21:45 <Stskeeps> ok 15:22:00 <lbt> nb... when we do policy stuff ... we should validate it 15:22:02 <lbt> automatically 15:22:08 <Stskeeps> yess 15:22:18 <Stskeeps> #topic Mer should contain a package that contains default kernel settings - https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90 15:22:22 <Stskeeps> high? 15:22:22 <Stskeeps> :P 15:22:36 <lbt> I'm not sure it's a package 15:22:53 <Stskeeps> i think it should be, else we can't deploy changes easily 15:23:01 <lbt> a .config? 15:23:02 <Stskeeps> CONFIG_'s for systemd, that kind of stuff 15:23:08 <Stskeeps> yes, it's a .config, but we need to spread it somehow 15:23:15 <Stskeeps> and ideally through automatic rebuilds 15:23:20 <Stskeeps> either way high, RM meeting? 15:23:26 <lbt> OK... that's different then 15:23:38 <Stskeeps> just basically what the userland expects 15:23:47 <Sage> hmm... 15:23:48 <lbt> it should be part of the default HA kernel packaging 15:24:04 <Stskeeps> yes, but that packaging will stall ;) 15:24:05 <lbt> ie 'validate needed Mer CONFIG_' check 15:24:10 <Sage> http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide#Kernel <- ? 15:24:20 <lbt> Sage: yes .. I like that 15:24:30 <lbt> but Stskeeps is right... needs to be auto and updated 15:24:42 <Stskeeps> we had config-generic in meego and it was a nightmare 15:24:47 <Stskeeps> as everyone had their own copy 15:24:50 <Sage> yes 15:24:51 <lbt> so the kernel HA package depends on this Mer core as a BR 15:25:11 <Stskeeps> #topic Bug 92 - Include --with-linker-hash-type=gnu, may improve app launch performance - https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92 15:25:18 <Stskeeps> high prio, assign to me (i'm working on it atm) 15:25:23 <lbt> so mer core provides 'minimal' CONFIG_ list which is used by HA 15:25:35 <Stskeeps> right 15:26:09 <Sage> and script that checks that user has them when building? 15:26:32 <Sage> however, it is uses responsibility to call it 15:26:38 <Sage> s/uses/users/ 15:26:58 <lbt> Sage: I'd make it part of the kernel packaging 15:27:31 <lbt> Warning: Your kernel does not provide all Mer CONFIG_ settings. See.... http://..." 15:27:48 * lbt takes it 15:28:09 <Stskeeps> bug 95 we already went through 15:28:14 <Stskeeps> so we're done for today 15:28:32 <vgrade> lbt, we also need 'your kernel provides xxx but must not for Mer' 15:28:45 <lbt> vgrade: good point 15:29:09 <vgrade> PARANIOD_ANDRIOD etc 15:29:11 <Sage> vgrade: if you have known valueas could you list them to the wiki page so we dont' forget? 15:29:28 <vgrade> yes 15:29:45 <Stskeeps> okay, thank you all for coming 15:30:00 <Stskeeps> #endmeeting