11:02:28 <Stskeeps> #startmeeting Nemo steering group meeting 10/1/2012
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11:02:39 <niqt> hi
11:02:55 <veskuh> hi
11:03:04 <Stskeeps> welcome to another week of Nemo steering group meeting
11:03:12 <Stskeeps> #topic Status
11:05:04 <veskuh> #info few regressions in latest release (VKB and in People app). There were quickly fixed and fixes are available in repos
11:05:16 <Stskeeps> #info New release out: http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20111208.2.NEMO.2012-01-05.1/
11:06:15 <Stskeeps> we tested with new mer core and didn't see any direct regressions caused by it, as well
11:06:33 <Stskeeps> next nemo release will have the new core
11:06:45 <Sage> :nod:
11:07:45 <Stskeeps> i've switched Mer core to new GNU hash style for symbol lookup, we should get faster app startup due to that (50% faster lookup, matters a lot with Qt, Webkit)
11:08:01 <jukkaeklund> whoa
11:08:25 <Sage> doesn't mean 50% faster startup ;)
11:08:32 <Stskeeps> it doesn't, but it does help
11:08:40 <jukkaeklund> oh.. :)
11:09:00 <Stskeeps> as symbols are looked up faster, ie, not spending longer time dynamically linking together the program
11:09:06 <Stskeeps> as well as switching debug symbol method from DWARF-3 to DWARF-4, it cut webkit debug symbols in half
11:09:15 <Stskeeps> and i expect to see a dip in qt debug symbolstoo
11:10:20 <Stskeeps> not sure why the hash style wasn't in meego in the first place, it seems a bit overlooked
11:11:47 <Stskeeps> Mer contribution process is also a lot more solid now, so it doesn't spuriously error out on contribution checks
11:12:31 <Stskeeps> oh, and i managed to track down the failure that caused exopc to crash with Nemo
11:12:55 <Sage> nice
11:12:57 <Stskeeps> there's still some issues with VKB: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/20120106_007.jp
11:13:00 <Stskeeps> g
11:13:01 <Stskeeps> there's still some issues with VKB: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/20120106_007.jpg
11:13:03 <Sage> is there the screen blanking issue?
11:13:12 <Stskeeps> this was the screen blanking issue
11:13:22 <Sage> ah, nice
11:13:23 <Stskeeps> it was actually meegotouch-home crashing
11:13:30 <Sage> oh
11:13:34 <jukkaeklund> nice, can dig out my exo to something useful :p
11:14:25 <Stskeeps> the gesture to switch is a bit oversensitive on such a big screen
11:14:26 <veskuh> Stskeeps: haven't seen home crashing recently, sysuid does that occasionally
11:14:44 <Stskeeps> veskuh: yeah, it was a qt bug, it was crashing due to a bad input driver
11:15:00 <Stskeeps> so any qt app would randomly crash if looked at the wrong way
11:16:17 <alterego> Must of really disliked my face then :P
11:17:25 <jukkaeklund> is it safe to do a zypper update nowadays?
11:17:34 <alterego> I've been using it for a while.
11:17:44 <Stskeeps> Sage: did i submit the kernels?
11:17:54 <Sage> Stskeeps: not all I think
11:17:56 <veskuh> Core update might bring huge amount of packages
11:18:04 <veskuh> And at least on thu it did not work for me
11:18:16 <Sage> Stskeeps: n900 kernel was rejected because of the config error
11:18:20 <Stskeeps> ah
11:19:00 <Stskeeps> Sage: let me just sort that out
11:23:11 <Sage> #info Next release is due on this Thursday
11:24:20 <Sage> #info Next Nemo Mobile release is based on new Mer Core with new toolchain. Please check out for any random crashes you haven't seen before.
11:28:44 <jukkaeklund> any progress with apps.formeego.org client?
11:29:02 <Stskeeps> xruxa showed it working on UI side, but not backend side
11:29:33 <veskuh> Is there a normal repo for apps.formeego.org?
11:29:53 <veskuh> I mean Sage fixed tha packagemanager app, could we just configure it as repo among our repos?
11:30:06 <jukkaeklund> I don't know
11:30:51 <jukkaeklund> can find out, X-Fade knows probably
11:30:57 <Sage> veskuh: if the apps.formeego.org is just plain rpm repository we could use that yes
11:32:32 <jukkaeklund> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps
11:32:41 <veskuh> X-Fade: We were just discussing about apps.formeego.org.. Could we use it without the special client? I mean is there regular rpm repo underneath?
11:33:02 <X-Fade> veskuh: Sure, you can do that too.
11:33:49 <X-Fade> veskuh: It imports from OBS. So rpm and deb repos are not a problem.
11:34:03 <jukkaeklund> well that would be cool as 1st step
11:35:04 <jukkaeklund> there is maybe 2 apps for Nemo, but we could get more
11:35:28 <X-Fade> Well that is a good amount to start testing with :)
11:36:57 <jukkaeklund> can you let me know how to try?
11:37:39 <niqt> qt-organizer will be in next release?
11:37:55 <Stskeeps> niqt: not sure about Mer just yet, the backend is a bit quirky
11:37:59 <Stskeeps> so we're still discussing
11:38:07 <niqt> sorry
11:38:18 <Stskeeps> ah, no need to apologize :)
11:38:33 <Stskeeps> it was regarding qt-organizer i meant we are still discussing
11:38:36 <Stskeeps> and the backend for it
11:39:10 <jukkaeklund> how about putting all of the current Nemo apps in there also?
11:39:12 <veskuh> jukkaeklund: you basically need the repo url and you can add it with zypper addrepo
11:39:29 <jukkaeklund> ok
11:39:31 <veskuh> then you can use the package manager app
11:39:49 <veskuh> and it hopefully works
11:39:50 <jukkaeklund> sounds simple enough, once I find the repo URL..
11:39:59 <X-Fade> jukkaeklund: We basically need lbt to copy some BOSS processes for the Nemo apps repo and then it should work.
11:40:31 <jukkaeklund> btw, can't install latest image to exo
11:40:45 <jukkaeklund> X-Fade, ok
11:41:01 <Stskeeps> jukkaeklund: run 'installer-shell' as root from live shell
11:41:03 <Stskeeps> not logical, but..
11:42:50 <jukkaeklund> ah I guess I could also go via installation and input with keyboard
11:43:16 <Stskeeps> the exopc fix is not in last image yet, i think (sage, saw my bug comment?)
11:44:55 <Sage> Stskeeps: the .ks file hack?
11:45:02 <Stskeeps> yes
11:45:05 <Sage> I saw it and no it is not in current image
11:45:08 <Stskeeps> k
11:45:33 <veskuh> btw; Should we start using mer-general also for nemo and dump meego-handset for good. I mean mer-general is still not too busy list and getting away from old meego stuff would be good.
11:45:49 <Stskeeps> i think we can get nemo@lists.merproject.org
11:45:54 <Stskeeps> if needed
11:46:18 <Stskeeps> that, or lists.nemomobile.org :P
11:46:52 <veskuh> It would be clear, but would it be too quiet?
11:46:59 <Stskeeps> mm, dunno
11:47:04 <Stskeeps> for now, just incubate in mer-general, i guess
11:49:00 <jukkaeklund> sounds good
11:50:11 <Sage> so ditch the meego-handset?
11:50:14 <Stskeeps> riht
11:50:26 <Stskeeps> right
11:50:35 <Sage> someone should send message there then saying that no more stuff coming there subscribe to mer-general
11:51:08 <Stskeeps> :nod:
11:51:17 <Stskeeps> #info we should let people know on meego-handset@
11:51:48 <jukkaeklund> well I can do that unless someone else wants
11:51:53 <Stskeeps> ok
11:52:01 <veskuh> ok
11:53:56 <Stskeeps> any other business we need to discuss?
11:54:36 <veskuh> Not from my side.
11:54:37 <Sage> I think that is it.
11:54:59 <Stskeeps> we have mer release management meeting in 7 minutes, mostly a brainstorm meeting to create tasks, if anyone is interested
11:56:12 <Stskeeps> okay, thank you all for coming
11:56:16 <Stskeeps> #endmeeting