#mer-meeting: SailfishOS, open source, collaboration: 27-May @ 15:00 UTC

Meeting started by cybette at 15:00:16 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

    1. Welcome to another week of SailfishOS OSS and collaboration meeting (cybette, 15:00:26)
    2. Meeting info and agenda: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004409.html (cybette, 15:00:33)

  2. Brief introductions (5 min), prefix your information with #info (cybette, 15:01:00)
    1. Andrea Bernabei, nemomobile contributor & Jolla user (faenil, 15:01:24)
    2. Carol Chen, Community chief at Jolla, hatless meeting chair today (would be nice to wear a hat sometimes, hint hint) (cybette, 15:01:24)
    3. Simonas Leleiva, nemomobile community and jolla sailor (sledges, 15:01:57)
    4. David Greaves; Mer guy and sailor (lbt, 15:02:06)
    5. Kimmo Lindholm, community member, user, toh-hw developer (kimmoli, 15:02:08)
    6. Jozef Mlich - foursail developer, CZ&SK community member (xmlich02, 15:02:11)
    7. Iekku Pylkk�, Head of Developer Affairs @ Jolla, Nemo & Mer community member (iekku, 15:02:22)
    8. Lucien XU, sailfish dev, Jolla user, Nemo contributor (a bit) (SK_work, 15:02:29)
    9. Thomas Perl; Sailor and community member (thp, 15:02:33)
    10. Steph Gosling, community (stephg, 15:02:49)
    11. irc://irc.FreeNode.org:6667/#info Chris Lamb community member (FlyingSheep, 15:03:01)
    12. Tom Swindell, Sailor and community member. (alterego, 15:03:04)
    13. Martin Kolman, community developer ( modRana navigation system) (M4rtinK, 15:03:26)
    14. Steve Jayna, Infrastructure @ Jolla (sdjayna, 15:03:50)
    15. Javier S. Pedro, community (javispedro, 15:03:54)
    16. Sebastian Meyer, community member (netzvieh, 15:04:06)
    17. Francesco Vaccaro, Jolla Community Italia admin, first time here (fravaccaro, 15:04:16)
    18. Fabio Isgrò , sysadmin ... and Jolla phone breaker (dr_gogeta86, 15:04:43)
    19. Pami Ketolainen, the bugzilla guy and t.j.c developer/admin @ Jolla (pketolai, 15:04:50)
    20. Robin Burchell, Qt/MW hacker at Jolla and wider open source community (w00t, 15:04:55)
    21. Tomi Virtanen, Sailor / swtester @Jolla, first time here (cobu, 15:05:14)
    22. Yuvraaj Kelkar Jolla community (uvatbc, 15:05:24)
    23. Eric Le Roux, bugzilla & t.j.c admin (eleroux, 15:05:40)
    24. Denis Zalevskiy, Jolla, engineer (deztructor, 15:06:08)

  3. Need for separate mailing list or forum? (15 min) (cybette, 15:06:25)
    1. There has been active discussions on the need/advantages/disadvantages of having a separate mailing list (for non-technical topics), a forum, or improving current tools. (cybette, 15:06:33)
    2. Current situation: Developer mailing list is polluted with topics shouldn't be handled there. As David Greaves pointed out: "How would we (community, not Jolla) determine the line? and what measures do we think should be taken?" (SK_work, 15:12:01)
    3. Problem 1: No clear agreed rules for mailing list. (SK_work, 15:12:17)
    4. Problem 2: Currently only Jolla employers are moderator. The "moderators" only moderate things like obvious spam, emails posted by non-list-member, etc. but not for off-topic content (SK_work, 15:12:33)
    5. ACTION: : elect community moderators (SK_work, 15:22:39)
    6. ACTION: iekku to continue discussion and work on solutions to the problems you stated (iekku, 15:22:47)
    7. ACTION: iekku to continue discussion and work on solutions to the problems she stated (iekku, 15:23:04)
    8. ACTION: : send application to developer-care@ for application as a modetaror (SK_work, 15:23:26)
    9. ACTION: iekku to create pad for mailing list rules (iekku, 15:24:37)
    10. this topic to be continued... (cybette, 15:24:54)

  4. How to manage internal hacking docs (30 min) (cybette, 15:24:59)
    1. discuss about how to manage "hacker docs", internal doc that can be helpful when hacking a component (cybette, 15:25:18)
    2. right now it's difficult for new-comers to Mer/Nemo to find out about what is Mer/Nemo and how to contribute. need better middleware docs to bring in more contributors (cybette, 15:32:19)
    3. it could be nice to have guides the people into the structure of Nemo/Mer (SK_work, 15:34:00)
    4. <+lbt> erm .. we'll officially support autodoc based documentation efforts :) (SK_work, 15:39:42)
    5. Let's wrap up: same status as previous meeting. Jolla will publish its documentation which is autodoc-based (faenil, 15:50:15)
    6. once that documentation is published we'll see its quality, what's missing etc and take actions based on that (faenil, 15:50:35)
    7. ACTION: Aard is working on making the autodoc docs public (faenil, 15:50:58)
    8. [17:53] <+Aard> faenil: I said several times that overview page of modules will come from me (SK_work, 15:53:43)

  5. More docs: Silica API reference (15 min) (cybette, 15:56:40)
    1. discuss about pain points, weakness of the doc, what to enhance (from Jolla side), how to contribute (from community side) (cybette, 15:56:47)
    2. 1. Silica API reference docs are pretty hard to use if you are new to QML, and haven't done other QML dev (sledges, 15:59:45)
    3. 1.1 Many components exists, but you have hard time to find methods etc (sledges, 16:00:08)
    4. faenil: no. we're still working on some changes to make coordinating that kind of work more efficient, the ETA for that is '2 weeks'. after that I hope we'll be able to give more reliable times (Aard, 16:00:55)
    5. 2. proposal on ML to include screenshots in docs, what would you think about it? (sledges, 16:01:00)
    6. Silica docs can be improved: 1. more examples ? 2. screenshots ? 3. contributed notes ? (SK_work, 16:01:03)
    7. proposal on ML to include screenshots in silica reference has several supporting votes https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/thread.html#4277 (cybette, 16:04:04)
    8. https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-application-pitfalls.html (SK_work, 16:06:26)
    9. https://developer.blackberry.com/native/documentation/cascades/ (faenil, 16:10:28)
    10. <+thp> ok, so the C++ <-> QML integration thing has been brought up several times, this is something we should definitely have (cybette, 16:10:47)
    11. ACTION: Jolla developer-care to look into making contribution easier with Silica doc improvements (cybette, 16:12:36)

  6. Bluetooth in Sailfish (10 min) (cybette, 16:13:17)
    1. ACTION: maybe ask the community tow contribute some docs (QML + C++, screenshots) etc. (SK_work, 16:13:18)
    2. Discuss current problems with Bluetooth in Sailfish, possible directions for the future, and how it affects the developer picture (cybette, 16:13:31)
    3. javispedro notices 3 problems: 1. lack of public developer API for Bluetooth, 2. Sailfish & Mer use Bluez4 which is dead upstream, 3. misc bugs in Jolla HW/Adaptation layer preventing some use cases e.g. wifi coexistance (cybette, 16:16:21)
    4. on my todo-list to figure out if we can compensate by utilizing community to help us there (sledges, 16:18:56)
    5. bluez5 is on Aard's todo-list to figure out if we can compensate by utilizing community to help us there (sledges, 16:19:19)
    6. QtBluetooth may be usable as an abstraction point; needs API verification to make sure a possible 4/5 split won't break things (w00t, 16:22:28)
    7. w00tikins will follow up with ablasche (qtbluetooth maintainer) (w00t, 16:24:28)

  7. Update about chum repos progress if any (3 min) (cybette, 16:24:47)
    1. xmlich02 and M4rtinK offering to help with chum (cybette, 16:27:51)

  8. ETA for paid-apps support on Store (2 min!) (cybette, 16:28:24)
    1. Some devs are not uploading apps to Harbour due to lack of support of paid-apps (cybette, 16:30:16)
    2. Status during june and paid apps 2H 2014 (SK_work, 16:31:25)
    3. current ETA for stats in harbour is june (iekku, 16:31:31)

  9. Next meeting (cybette, 16:34:42)
    1. Next meeting Tues June-3 @ 10:00 UTC (cybette, 16:37:52)
    2. http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings (stephg, 16:40:34)
    3. netzvieh chairperson for next meeting (cybette, 16:40:37)


Meeting ended at 16:41:04 UTC (full logs).

Action items

  1. : elect community moderators
  2. iekku to continue discussion and work on solutions to the problems you stated
  3. iekku to continue discussion and work on solutions to the problems she stated
  4. : send application to developer-care@ for application as a modetaror
  5. iekku to create pad for mailing list rules
  6. Aard is working on making the autodoc docs public
  7. Jolla developer-care to look into making contribution easier with Silica doc improvements
  8. maybe ask the community tow contribute some docs (QML + C++, screenshots) etc.


Action items, by person

  1. Aard
    1. Aard is working on making the autodoc docs public
  2. iekku
    1. iekku to continue discussion and work on solutions to the problems you stated
    2. iekku to continue discussion and work on solutions to the problems she stated
    3. iekku to create pad for mailing list rules
  3. UNASSIGNED
    1. : elect community moderators
    2. : send application to developer-care@ for application as a modetaror
    3. Jolla developer-care to look into making contribution easier with Silica doc improvements
    4. maybe ask the community tow contribute some docs (QML + C++, screenshots) etc.


People present (lines said)

  1. SK_work (159)
  2. faenil (100)
  3. cybette (84)
  4. iekku (56)
  5. lbt (53)
  6. javispedro (43)
  7. sledges (42)
  8. Aard (35)
  9. AL13N_work (30)
  10. kimmoli (29)
  11. M4rtinK (24)
  12. stephg (22)
  13. deztructor (18)
  14. thp (18)
  15. w00t (15)
  16. meegobit (14)
  17. netzvieh (11)
  18. dr_gogeta86 (10)
  19. xmlich02 (7)
  20. fravaccaro (7)
  21. FlyingSheep (6)
  22. alterego (4)
  23. Sage_ (3)
  24. Merbot` (2)
  25. sdjayna (2)
  26. cobu (2)
  27. Stskeeps (2)
  28. eleroux (2)
  29. uvatbc (1)
  30. Wnt (1)
  31. pketolai (1)
  32. nazanin (1)


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