10:00:10 #startmeeting SailfishOS, open source, collaboration: 23-September @ 10:00 UTC 10:00:10 Meeting started Tue Sep 23 10:00:10 2014 UTC. The chair is cybette. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Meetings. 10:00:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 10:00:22 #info Welcome to another week of SailfishOS OSS and collaboration meeting 10:00:29 #info Meeting info and agenda: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-September/005035.html 10:00:37 I'm the meeting chair for today and will be keeping time and order. Please behave and show mutual respect, and let's have a productive discussion! 10:00:42 #topic Brief introductions (5 min), prefix your information with #info 10:01:03 #info Carol Chen, Community chief at Jolla, hatless chair today 10:01:14 #info Kimmo Lindholm, community member, toh-tailor 10:02:11 #info Kalle Jokiniemi, kernel dev @ Jolla, toh dev kit documentation author 10:02:38 #info Philippe De Swert, Jolla 10:03:00 #info Simo Piiroinen, sailor at Jolla 10:03:27 #info Thomas Ruecker, community member 10:03:40 #info Basil Semuonov, community member 10:03:56 #info Iekku Pylkk�, developer community work @ jolla, community member 10:04:10 #info Pami Ketolainen, Bugzilla and TJC developer @ Jolla 10:04:42 * tbr looks around, where are the australians and new zealanders? 10:05:28 not so many participants in general 10:05:35 yea 10:05:38 but let's continue 10:05:40 y 10:05:44 * lbt arrives 10:05:46 #topic TOH EEPROM stuff - Kimmoli (15 min) 10:05:52 #info EEPROM reading by tohd fails if TOH is not attached correctly, add delay/retries > Was briefly disussed with K.Jokiniemi > is there any schedule for this? 10:05:57 #info Is anyone interested in contributing to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/The_other_half ? 10:06:06 kimmoli: please take the stage :) 10:06:12 o/ 10:06:19 \o 10:06:24 cybette: kimmoli: I've done a patch for update10 that retries few times 10:06:43 ok 10:06:50 so that answers the first part :) 10:07:05 is there way i can test it? 10:07:08 there's around 400ms time window for the electrical connection appear 10:07:09 #info kjokinie1 has done a patch for update 10 that will retry a few times if TOH is not attached correctly 10:08:33 kimmoli: I can post the patch on some pastebin, or make a test kernel if you are feeling lucky ;) 10:09:01 hmm, i have tried to compile kernel but failed 10:09:14 but i have now more knowledge. 10:09:56 compiling the kernel needs magic incantations so that the modules don't fail to load after boot 10:10:39 but we can return to these details at some other moment i think. 10:10:41 unless you are ok with broken wifi and android audio 10:10:57 tbr: wlan module I think is the one that fails.. I think it works though if you just copy the module binary from older lib/modules/ 10:11:37 ahh.. yes the android thing as well.. 10:11:37 kjokinie1: IIRC it does some kernel version checks. We had some issues while digging into USB with phdeswer. 10:11:52 and --force on insmod/modprobe doesn't help 10:12:05 anyway, not strictly necessary for just testing that 10:12:23 yes, --force not working 10:12:34 yes, one can restore the old kernel back after testing 10:13:42 is the zram module build-thing anything to look at? https://github.com/g7/kernel-module-zram-jolla 10:15:19 5 more min 10:15:22 hmm.. maybe I should just write a wiki on compiling the kernel 10:15:24 maybe can move on to second part :) 10:15:35 my 2nd Q was about the contribution to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/The_other_half 10:15:45 but +1 to kernel-compile-wiki 10:15:58 kjokinie1: can I #action that? :) 10:16:00 kimmoli: I wrote some stuff there already 10:16:24 oo 10:16:25 cybette: sure 10:17:11 #action kjokinie1 will update wiki with more info on compiling the kernel 10:17:13 and my last question "And you ask why no user_data entry.. well, it was never implemented, sorry" was answered too :) 10:17:22 kjokinie1: +1 10:18:20 kjokinie1: was that jolla VendorID already assigned? or did you made-it-up while writing? 10:18:34 kimmoli: it's our USB vendor ID 10:18:44 ok 10:19:16 one more min... 10:19:35 now waiting someone to tweet link there and saying Jolla is making more intelligent TOHs 10:19:47 kimmoli: do we get people who want to contribute to ping you? 10:20:09 i watch that page now 10:20:16 kimmoli: I'll post the patch and do some wiki on the kernel compilation 10:20:29 ok 10:20:44 #info join in and contribute to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/The_other_half ! 10:21:04 kimmoli: can we move on? 10:21:08 yes 10:21:11 tnx 10:21:16 #topic General discussion - all (15 min) 10:21:27 I think we have some update 10:21:33 bijjal: are you here? 10:21:40 o/ yes i am 10:21:45 \o 10:21:53 i have a couple of things to share 10:22:11 #info Update9 release: We expect to have a couple of more release candidates internally before we are good to release. Atleast this week, we will not be releasing it. 10:22:32 #info Visbility on Jolla's software roadmap: Our internal meetings to bring this together got postponed, so it will not be available during this month. I'll keep you updated when I have more info. 10:22:40 tbr ^ 10:22:50 kimmoli: http://pastebin.com/qN3tpsfp 10:23:10 bijjal: thanks 10:23:41 bijjal, thanks <3 10:23:53 thanks bijjal ! 10:23:55 tbr: if you have something in particular that you are looking for, let me know. I can make sure that they are addressed in our meetings 10:23:59 (internal ones) 10:24:19 no problem 10:24:39 bijjal: I'll prod you if something specific comes up (I'm split brained right now with something else and don't remember specifics) 10:24:51 ok 10:25:39 now the floor is open for general discussions. feel free to ask/share something :) 10:27:20 if there's nothing for 2 more min, I'll close the topic. 10:28:14 so 10:28:27 don't forget we have the XDA dev con this weekend 10:28:48 it appears there'll be a panel on wearables and security too 10:29:02 oh, I remembered one: could Jolla spare some engineering time and fix up the proprietary bits to at least not crash and burn on SIP? 10:29:30 #info Some Jolla sailors and community members will be in XDA DevCon this weekend in Manchester, http://xda-devcon.com/ 10:30:08 * faenil prods Stskeeps 10:30:14 as the community has pretty much exhausted their possibilities in the area of SIP 10:30:27 is there any news re "docs for community to help with Mer/Nemo merge" ? 10:30:34 #action Jolla to possibly spare some engineering time and fix up the proprietary bits to at least not crash and burn on SIP 10:30:35 I'm happy to help sailors with a test sip account and 'exact steps' for testing things 10:30:50 it was discussed for the second time in June's meeting 10:30:50 update9 is the one with wayland 1.3? 10:31:02 #info tbr is happy to help sailors with a test sip account and 'exact steps' for testing things 10:31:27 cybette: will you talk to the SIP guys? or should somebody do that? 10:31:42 faenil: specifically that's whoever works on dialer 10:31:50 used to be special and someone else 10:31:50 s/should/doyouwantsomebodyto :D 10:31:58 faenil: i'll take action on that :) 10:32:05 cybette: good, thanks 10:32:21 jusa_ is the audio side, which would ofc also be very nice if it could get some attention in this regard 10:32:50 iekku: is there any news re paid apps? I think it was postponed or something 10:33:04 also, any news about ambiance/icons in store? 10:33:22 also, any news about beta channel? 10:33:31 #action cybette to poke SIP/dialer guys in Jolla 10:33:41 also, what about support for different versions of API in store? (which is the blocker for many apps, iirc) 10:34:09 (sorry, I should have put all that on the topics list, but I remembered about the meeting only yesterday and it was too late already) 10:34:25 tbr: I'd be happy to look into the routing issues, but I will need help with all the SIP side since I'm not that familiar with that side 10:34:42 faenil: i was about to say, next time please put them on topic list so we can try to prepare responses on our side as well :) 10:34:49 yeah... 10:34:59 2 more min 10:35:02 my fault 10:35:17 so no responses available as of now? :D 10:35:40 javisail: yes 10:35:44 faenil: the different versions of API would kinda be addressed in the multi version support we are preparing right now 10:35:45 jusa_: not a problem. You're invited for beverages and I can help you with everything 10:35:50 but its not ready yet 10:36:15 faenil: suggest it for the next meeting and we can discuss more details :) 10:36:38 bijjal: yeah that's what I meant, the multiversion support 10:36:39 ok topic time's up. 10:36:51 #topic Wrap up and next meeting (10 min) 10:36:59 it's been discussed a lot of times, but I don't remember what was the last official position 10:37:14 (as it's usually just "it's not ready yet" :D ) 10:37:16 faenil: ok, then it is under progress atm, we hope to still get it out on time for u9 10:37:20 next week we are having Iteration planning at Jolla, so the next community meeting will be on following week 10:37:30 bijjal: ah ok that's great to hear! 10:37:34 * tbr motions that meetings should not be at 10:00 UTC unless explicitly requested, turnout is low and no people from the intended time zones show up 10:37:41 Oct 7 @ 15:00 UTC. any comments? 10:37:57 #info * tbr motions that meetings should not be at 10:00 UTC unless explicitly requested, turnout is low and no people from the intended time zones show up 10:38:04 now it's in the minutes and visible 10:38:21 tbr: :) 10:38:46 also please propose topics as early as possible 10:39:13 can I ask to be more transparent on jolla's side? :D 10:39:16 tbr +1 10:39:22 * phdeswer just checked insmod -f for wlan. It works but you need to load cfg80211 first and give full path 10:39:38 faenil: in which aspect? 10:39:58 (I'm not referring to this time as I didn't even put topics on the list...but generally, the answers are kind of "we need more time" "we're working on it" "we made progress" but no details) 10:40:00 phdeswer: \o/ 10:40:05 thanks <3 10:40:49 faenil: we'll do our best. I'll remind internally :) 10:40:58 I think SK_work also wanted to argument on the transparency...but maybe he's not online atm :) 10:41:10 cybette: <3 10:41:15 so let's set the time for next meeting 10:41:34 any volunteers for chair? 10:41:51 let's chair o/ 10:42:05 giucam, thanks! 10:42:13 faenil: you'll chair the next meeting? 10:42:21 cybette: yeah, why not 10:42:29 \o 10:42:30 as long as I can still talk :D 10:42:37 sure :) 10:42:55 #info Next meeting Tues Oct-7 @ 15:00 UTC, Chairperson faenil 10:43:08 sorry, another meeting. no updates for harbour / store 10:43:25 faenil: online but won't be able to go to meeting :( 10:43:27 busy here 10:43:38 SK_work: no problem ;) 10:43:42 SK_work: hoepfully next meeting's time works better for you 10:43:52 please talk about transparency for me though faenil, counting on you 10:44:12 SK_work: we're wrapping up mate, don't worry, let's see in the next meeting :D 10:44:25 ah ? 10:44:26 already 10:44:28 damn ... :( 10:44:50 yep, only one topic proposed for this meeting, so it's a short one ;) 10:44:57 ok thanks all for today. you can start proposing for next meeting's topics here https://together.jolla.com/question/54157/sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meeting-planning/ 10:45:04 o/ cya people 10:45:23 cheers 10:45:25 #endmeeting