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#mer-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration – 13th June 2019
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Meeting started by sledges at 08:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2019/mer-meeting.2019-06-13-08.00.log.html
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Meeting summary
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* Meeting information and agenda can be found here:
  https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2019-June/008640.html
  (sledges, 08:00:08)
* Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with # info
  (sledges, 08:00:25)
  * Simonas Leleiva - privateer for Jolla  (sledges, 08:00:32)
  * David Greaves; mer guy and sailor  (lbt, 08:00:49)
  * Martin Kolman, community & modRana development  (M4rtinK, 08:01:54)
  * David Llewellyn-Jones, sailor @ jolla  (flypig, 08:02:00)
  * Ville Nummela - sailor @ jolla  (ViGe, 08:02:08)
  * Lewis Rockliffe, community  (r0kk3rz, 08:02:52)
  * Vincent Knecht, community  (vknecht, 08:04:39)

* Wireguard (VPN) support directly in the Settings  (
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WireGuard ) (30min - asked by bionade24)
  (sledges, 08:06:06)
  * LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WireGuard   (sledges, 08:06:42)
  * "Which Userpace Implementation should we use?"  (sledges, 08:06:54)
  * Apologies, we are not sure  (sledges, 08:06:58)
  * "Which compiler is the right for Rust or Go?"  (sledges, 08:07:03)
  * Sorry, we cannot help here either  (sledges, 08:07:03)
  * "Could we use the QrCode feature in the UI?"  (sledges, 08:07:09)
  * Currently the VPN plugins for the settings app are implemented
    entirely in QML. They're essentially designed to send a dictionary
    of configuration options to connman, via VpnModel (see
    https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/nemo-qml-plugin-systemsettings/blob/master/src/vpnmodel.h).
    For an example, see the VPNC QML config UI elements in
    /usr/share/sailfish-vpn/vpnc on your device. You can pull in a
    (sledges, 08:07:13)
  * ...plugin that implements what you need (i.e. ZXing library) for
    scanning QrCodes by installing the shared libraries in
    /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/. This won't get past harbour validation
    though.  (sledges, 08:07:38)
  * LINK:
    https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/nemo-qml-plugin-systemsettings/blob/master/src/vpnmodel.h
    (sledges, 08:07:52)
  * Unless we're misunderstanding your plan here, to get all this to
    work seamlessly, you'll also need to create a connman plugin for
    Wireguard. Here's the code for the existing connman VPN plugins:
    https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/connman/tree/master/connman/vpn/plugins
    (sledges, 08:08:02)
  * LINK:
    https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/connman/tree/master/connman/vpn/plugins
    (sledges, 08:08:18)
  * <r0kk3rz> the Go userspace would work i think, rust maybe not
    (sledges, 08:13:39)
  * Why using the kernel module is difficult:
    https://together.jolla.com/question/182324/wish-wireguard/
    (sledges, 08:17:05)
  * LINK: https://together.jolla.com/question/182324/wish-wireguard/
    (sledges, 08:17:13)

* Scratchbox2 vs glibc; or, limitations of hooking of public api's;
  dockerization as a solution (30 min - asked by tortoisedoc)  (sledges,
  08:17:56)
  * What is the plan on the scratchbox2? Currently it is part of the
    official SDK, but it appears it's limits are starting to show (see
    for example problems with hooking "internal" api's of glibc, which
    causes some libraries / api's / apps not to work properly (spawn
    api, llvm amongst others); supporting those will need carefully
    evaluation of the consequences as it might require patching of
    glibc).  (sledges, 08:20:37)
  * Is docker considered a possible replacement? If so, is there a
    timeframe for it to land in the SDK?  (sledges, 08:20:46)
  * This question needs a little more clarification. sb2 is used to to
    bypass qemu emulation of certain executables during non-native
    builds. Docker does not provide any functionality comparable to sb2.
    sb2 works very well and we will continue to use it in this role.
    (sledges, 08:21:03)
  * Although it is mature, sb2 is a sophisticated tool and does interact
    deeply with the system (including glibc) so a degree of maintenance
    is required over time. This is by no means an undue burden given the
    benefits of the tool.  (sledges, 08:21:25)
  * Docker is a (relatively new, complex and constantly changing)
    container technology; this role is provided by the cross-platform
    Virtualbox in the SDK. The community has provided native linux
    solutions to contain the SDK (eg chroot) and these offer benefits
    (lower overheads for parallel builds) but also disadvantages
    (exposure to different kernel versions or host security policies
    like selinux).  (sledges, 08:21:40)

* General discussion (25min)  (sledges, 08:36:43)
  * action points review:
    http://meetingwords.com/sailfishos-community-irc  (sledges,
    08:36:58)
  * LINK: http://meetingwords.com/sailfishos-community-irc   (sledges,
    08:37:01)
  * evaluate possibility to mark apps as experimental  (sledges,
    08:37:16)
  * We have had some discussions about this internally. We might
    implement something like this in the future, but this is not
    considered a high priority as experimental apps can always use open
    repos. Instead, we plan on maturizing some APIs, which also means
    that it is possible for us to allow them in harbour.  (sledges,
    08:37:23)
  * evaluate possibility to allow systemd socket activation.  (sledges,
    08:39:47)
  * We are planning to create an API for this kind of functionality, but
    it will take time.  (sledges, 08:39:51)
  * LINK:
    https://together.jolla.com/question/190204/pulse-audio-12x-for-sailfish-x/
    (sledges, 08:57:29)

* next meeting time and date  (sledges, 09:01:26)
  * Next meeting will be held on 27th June 2019 at 08:00 UTC  (sledges,
    09:02:12)

Meeting ended at 09:02:54 UTC.




Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* sledges (65)
* lbt (25)
* r0kk3rz (22)
* M4rtinK (19)
* tortoisedoc (17)
* flypig (8)
* vknecht (7)
* ViGe (3)
* bionade24 (2)
* merbot (2)
* pketo (2)




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