08:00:49 <Jaymzz> #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration – 22nd August 2019 08:00:49 <merbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 22 08:00:49 2019 UTC. The chair is Jaymzz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Meetings. 08:00:49 <merbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 08:00:59 <Jaymzz> #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2019-August/008857.html 08:01:07 <Jaymzz> I am the meeting’s chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please behave, respect the timings and be gentle. 08:01:16 <Jaymzz> #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with # info 08:01:24 <Jaymzz> #info James Noori - sailor @ Jolla 08:01:27 <ced117> #info Cedric Heintz, community member 08:01:39 <pasik> #info Pasi Karkkainen, community member 08:01:44 <ExTechOp> #info Otto Makela, community member 08:01:44 <ljo_> #info Leif-Jöran Olsson, community member 08:01:56 <jwalck> #info Jonatan Walck, community member and probably lurking today 08:02:25 <|cos|> #info Martin Samuelsson, community member 08:02:26 <abranson> #info Andrew Branson, sailor@Jolla 08:02:37 <vknecht> #info vknecht, community 08:02:42 <ViGe> #info Ville Nummela - sailor@jolla 08:03:09 <dcaliste> #info Damien Caliste, community 08:03:31 <sledges> #info Simonas Leleiva, privateer 4 Jolla 08:03:44 <flypig> #info David Llewellyn-Jones, sailor@jolla 08:04:11 <kimmoli> #info Kimmo Lindholm, community 08:04:29 <r0kk3rz> #info Lewis Rockliffe - community 08:05:04 <Jaymzz> Good to see you all here, here comes the first topic: 08:05:15 <Jaymzz> #topic Qt5 update status (asked by pasik – 15 min) 08:05:22 <Jaymzz> #info any news about the sailfishos qt5 update? any timeframe estimate when it will become available? is it still going to be qt 5.9, or is it possible to go directly to qt 5.12 LTS ? is qt5 licensing still an issue? 08:05:34 <Jaymzz> And here comes the answer 08:05:42 <Jaymzz> #info We've postponed the update from this year to get all necessary arrangements in place. We are re-evaluating if we still update first to 5.9 or if going directly to newer version would be better approach. 08:06:30 <Jaymzz> pasik: Do you have anything to add? :) 08:06:47 <pasik> Jaymzz: well, not really :) 08:06:49 <dcaliste> What about the possible licensing issue ? 08:08:48 <sledges> it's been mentioned that if Jolla cannot do the abovementioned arrangements to go GPLv3 for Qt, it would then be commercial licence 08:09:05 <veskuh> It’s not an issue anymore, for community we plan to go with OSS license. 08:09:18 <pasik> that's good to hear 08:09:44 <dcaliste> Ah, great, thanks sledges and veskuh for clarification. 08:09:55 <Jaymzz> #info regarding the licensing issues: It’s not an issue anymore, for community we plan to go with OSS license. (veskuh) 08:10:35 <dcaliste> Does it mean that for community, some other GPLv3 packages may come in ? Will it land in git.sailfish.org if so ? Is it too early to discuss about this ? 08:11:12 <r0kk3rz> so there will be two sailfishies? commercial and community? 08:12:19 <veskuh> Not two different codebases. Licensing differences there may be. 08:12:49 <elfio> #info J Pablo, late community member 08:13:15 <veskuh> dcaliste: We still plan to stay away from GPLv3 on other packages at least for time being. 08:14:42 <Jaymzz> #info there may be licensing differences between commercial and community versions of Sailfish OS, but no difference in code bases. We plan to stay away from GPLv3 on other packages at least for the time being. 08:15:11 <dcaliste> veskuh, ok. I should propose a topic at a later meeting to discuss the possibility to (officially?) host a repo with upgrade of packages that are nowadays GPLv3. Like a mer-community. 08:15:22 <Jaymzz> FYI we still have 5 minutes on this topic. 08:16:03 <vknecht> what are critical points decisive for 5.9 vs 5.12 choice ? 08:16:32 <r0kk3rz> so qt5.9 SoonTM? 08:16:50 <pasik> r0kk3rz: "We've postponed the update from this year to get all necessary arrangements in place." 08:17:00 <r0kk3rz> lame 08:18:17 <Jaymzz> pasik dcaliste if you guys are done with the discussion I shall move on and spare the remaining 2 mins 08:18:17 <veskuh> vknecht: In our experience smaller steps have been less risky and we’ve already invested time in 5.9 update. On the other hand newer versions have a lot more improvements in terms of performance and very useful new APIs 08:18:28 <Jaymzz> or not :D 08:18:43 <pasik> Jaymzz: I'm ok with moving to next topic 08:18:56 <vknecht> ok thanks :-) 08:19:05 <dcaliste> Jaymzz, sure, me too. 08:19:12 <Jaymzz> Alright moving on 08:19:15 <r0kk3rz> imo do qt5.9 asap 08:19:22 <veskuh> r0kk3rz: Sorry for delays, we really would like to get update SoonTM :) 08:19:31 <r0kk3rz> :) 08:19:35 <Jaymzz> #topic sailfishos xperia10 port status (asked by pasik – 15 min) 08:19:47 <Jaymzz> #info community is curious about the status of sailfishos port to sony xperia10, using linux 4.9 kernel and aosp9. Also interested in the current status of xperia x / xa2 port to linux 4.9/aosp9. Anything specific the community can/should help with? 08:19:58 <Jaymzz> #info Xperia 10 adaptation status and encouraging community to get involved is here: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Sailfish_X_Xperia_Android_9_Build_and_Flash#Adaptation_Status 08:20:06 <Jaymzz> #link https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Sailfish_X_Xperia_Android_9_Build_and_Flash#Adaptation_Status 08:22:49 <Jaymzz> Anything else on this? :) 08:23:19 <pasik> well, how's your view of the status? I've read what's written on that page, but I haven't actually tried it yet 08:23:40 <pasik> and also are there specific tasks the community can/should help with? 08:23:53 * sledges uses xperia 10 daily 08:24:00 <pasik> sledges: nice! 08:24:07 <sledges> all the tasks are open to join and help, that was the purpose of wiki 08:24:08 <r0kk3rz> build it, make sure the instructions work, report and fix bugs 08:24:19 <r0kk3rz> thats a good start 08:26:38 <pasik> so xperia10 is working to some extend based on comment by sledges, how about xperia x / xa2 ? 08:27:33 <vknecht> have to try 4.9 on X to see if it works better than 4.4 especially wrt. battery usage/suspend, so will probably try the pie adaptation 08:27:44 <sledges> those can be ported using the same instructions, just by changing device codename and adding needed repos with -pie suffix 08:28:00 <sledges> ask mal for more info in #sailfishos-porters ^ 08:28:51 <pasik> ok 08:29:06 * Mister_Magister or did aosp9 before release 08:30:06 <Jaymzz> 5 minutes left on this. 08:30:47 <Jaymzz> Anything else to bring up? 08:31:57 <Jaymzz> Moving on then 08:32:12 <Jaymzz> #topic xa2 android mobile data issues (asked by pasik – 15 min) 08:32:22 <Jaymzz> #info it seems some users still have android mobile data connection detection problems, with sailfishos 3.1.0.11 on xa2. There are multiple reports on TJC. Especially from users of O2/Germany SIMs. Is this a known issue that is likely going to get fixed in upcoming releases, or is there something the community should do to help debug this issue and track it down? Any tips/instructions for the users who have these problems? 08:32:40 <Jaymzz> #info There is a file called /system/etc/apns-conf.xml which lists all the available carriers. It is possible that the one provided by AOSP 8 is outdated and that we need to update it, the community could check if https://android.googlesource.com/device/sample/+/master/etc/apns-full-conf.xml helps (overwrite /system/etc/apns-conf.xml and restart the Android Support). The community should also provide logs produced with: devel- 08:32:40 <Jaymzz> su lxc-attach -n aliendalvik -- /system/bin/logcat -b radio and give details if it's a dual sim device, how many sims are in the device etc. 08:32:50 <Jaymzz> #link https://android.googlesource.com/device/sample/+/master/etc/apns-full-conf.xml 08:34:14 <pasik> thanks 08:34:28 <abranson> logging command got a bit munged there: devel-su lxc-attach -n aliendalvik -- /system/bin/logcat -b radio 08:34:42 <Jaymzz> Yeah sorry about that 08:36:00 <Jaymzz> pasik: anything else on this? 08:36:02 <sledges> was this worth looking at? (please don't #link yet) https://together.jolla.com/question/209532/track-down-mobile-data-issue-android-xa2-310/?answer=212027#post-id-212027 08:36:23 <sledges> i.e. did it help for more people than not 08:37:59 <pasik> that's a good link 08:38:03 <pasik> but I don't know if it helped more people 08:38:13 <pasik> sounds like it might 08:39:07 <pasik> and the apns-full-conf.xml update is definitely worth a try for those having problems 08:40:02 <Jaymzz> should I # link it then? ;) 08:40:08 <pasik> I think you should :) 08:40:17 <Jaymzz> #link https://together.jolla.com/question/209532/track-down-mobile-data-issue-android-xa2-310/?answer=212027#post-id-212027 08:40:50 <binutzu> #info binutzu, community member 08:41:03 <Jaymzz> pasik: shall we move on? :) 08:41:12 <pasik> Jaymzz: yeah, I think so 08:41:32 <Jaymzz> #topic General discussion (15 min) 08:41:41 <|cos|> I added an agenda point about SIP, but maybe it was posted a bit late. ApB commented that I should contact jpetrell directly. Is that the correct contact/best way forward? 08:43:46 <sledges> |cos|: yes 08:43:54 <binutzu> will xperia 10 be an officially supported device, e.g. with android support? 08:45:04 <Jaymzz> binutzu: That's the idea :) 08:45:26 <elfio> any contacts with Fairphone regarding their FP3? 08:45:47 <elfio> that would be an awesome collaboration 08:45:55 <binutzu> great to hear! with the xperia 10 form factor split screen would be useful 08:50:04 <Jaymzz> Seems like there's nothing more left to discuss? :) 08:50:44 <Jaymzz> in which case I'll move on in a sec 08:51:20 <Jaymzz> #topic next meeting time and date (5 min) 08:51:30 <Jaymzz> #info Next meeting will be held on September 5th 2019 at 08:00 UTC 08:52:02 <Jaymzz> Thanks everyone for attending today's meeting. I shall end the meeting in a few seconds. 08:52:06 <sledges> hm 08:52:13 <sledges> don't we have planning? 08:52:25 <ViGe> yes we do 08:52:33 <Jaymzz> right!! 08:53:11 <Jaymzz> Then it should be held in a month time if we want to keep the bi-weekly fashion. 08:53:16 <Jaymzz> #undo 08:53:16 <merbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x342de10> 08:53:37 <Jaymzz> Is everyone ok with September 19th then? 08:54:32 <flypig> Looks fine to me! 08:54:55 <Jaymzz> Yeah I see no objections either. # info-ing it 08:55:01 <Jaymzz> #info Next meeting will be held on September 19th 2019 at 08:00 UTC 08:55:13 <Jaymzz> Thanks sledges for the reminder :D 08:55:14 <sledges> #info all UK fans there might be a sfos meeting in London around 14th or 21th september, those with interest please enquire at #sailfishos-porters :) 08:55:41 <Jaymzz> Cool 08:55:49 <flypig> Is it attached to another event? 08:56:04 <sledges> not really:) 08:56:09 <sledges> just pubbing :D 08:56:25 <flypig> Sounds good :) 08:56:34 <sledges> (we used to have Christmas Dinners with meal etc, so will do something similar) 08:57:52 <sledges> no probs Jaymzz , sorry for barging in, had to do it now that meeting's after a month only :) 08:58:19 <Jaymzz> all good :) 08:58:32 <Jaymzz> Alright. You know the drill then. Remember to announce your topics on the planning page at least 2 days before the meeting. Thanks again for attending! See you in a month time, right here! 08:58:47 <Jaymzz> Will send over the meeting minutes shortly too. 08:58:49 <Jaymzz> #endmeeting