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#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 29th October 2020
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Meeting started by sledges at 08:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2020/sailfishos-meeting.2020-10-29-08.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
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* Meeting information and agenda can be found here:  (sledges, 08:00:16)
* LINK:
  https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-29th-oct-2020/2899
  (sledges, 08:00:20)
* Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
  (sledges, 08:00:28)
  * Simonas Leleiva - privateer for Jolla  (sledges, 08:00:32)
  * Chris Adams - privateer for Jolla  (chriadam, 08:00:51)
  * ggabriel - community  (ggabriel, 08:01:06)
  * Ville Nummela - sailor @ Jolla  (ViGe, 08:01:08)
  * Florian Leeber - member of BoD UBports Foundation (Ubuntu Touch)
    (Flohack, 08:01:15)
  * gmc - community  (gmc, 08:01:15)
  * Björn Bidar - sailor @ Jolla  (Thaodan, 08:01:26)
  * David Llewellyn-Jones sailor @ Jolla  (flypig, 08:01:31)
  * Lukas Karas - developer, community member  (karry_, 08:01:49)
  * Leif-Jöran Olsson, community member  (ljo_, 08:02:06)
  * Thilo, community  (thigg[m], 08:02:28)
  * fridl, community  (fridl, 08:02:49)
  * Andrew Branson, sailing @ Jolla  (abranson, 08:03:07)
  * Chris, community  (ahappyhuman, 08:03:51)

* That Qt update question again (5 min -- asked by rinigus)  (sledges,
  08:05:39)
  * <rinigus> Any progress regarding Qt update?  (sledges, 08:05:43)
  * <rinigus> While it is old topic and nobody probably has high hopes
    regarding it, I would like to raise it to stimulate the internal
    discussion at Jolla.  (sledges, 08:05:49)
  * <rinigus> Ancient Qt does hinder SFOS progress and makes it
    impossible to collaborate with other mobile Linux platforms (Plasma
    Mobile in particular) on the development of applications.  (sledges,
    08:05:58)
  * <Jolla> As stated also before, this is something we constantly
    evaluate. The current plan is still to proceed step by step, but we
    are not announcing any schedule for the update.  (sledges, 08:06:18)

* strategy regarding the other linux phone OS’s (10 min -- thigg)
  (sledges, 08:14:03)
  * <thigg> The other linux phone os’s which are gathering around the
    pinephone have some attention and see development (manjaro,
    postmarket, ubports). Is any kind of collaboration with these
    platforms planned?  (sledges, 08:14:13)
  * <thigg> Is jolla having plans to encourage app developers to create
    apps which run on sailfishos and these platforms? How is the
    strategy regarding the pinephone. Is supporting it officially a
    priority of jolla?  (sledges, 08:14:28)
  * <Jolla> There are lot of mutual interests with this group, therefore
    it is evident that we are open for collaboration for defined targets
    that benefit the parties involved - and of course also the users of
    the platforms.  (sledges, 08:14:56)
  * <Jolla> We do keep close contact with members of these groups in all
    levels of process, from SW development to business development.
    (sledges, 08:15:13)
  * Chatting about what UBports is using, discussing frameworks'
    portability like Kirigami (read full logs)  (sledges, 08:27:59)
  * appportingguide across platforms would be nice, but while doc may
    take a while to write (and read), here's some platform.* dirs to
    look at  (sledges, 08:32:02)
  * LINK: https://github.com/rinigus/pure-maps/tree/master/qml
    (sledges, 08:32:05)
  * and related issue:  (sledges, 08:32:52)
  * LINK: https://github.com/rinigus/pure-maps/issues/330   (sledges,
    08:32:54)

* storing app credentials on sailfish os (10 min -- asked by gmc)
  (sledges, 08:33:18)
  * <gmc> Apps may use credentials to log in to external services, and
    need to do so in a secure way - the sailfish-secrets library /
    daemon provides a solution, however it is not allowed to use it when
    publishing an app to the jolla store.  (sledges, 08:33:25)
  * <gmc> What is the recommended way for an app to securely store
    credentials and be publishable in the jolla store? Are there plans
    to allow the sailfishsecrets service to the list of allowed packages
    to depend on? Sailfishsecrets seems to be pretty stable (according
    to the commit history):  (sledges, 08:33:45)
  * LINK: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-secrets/commits/master
    (sledges, 08:33:52)
  * <Jolla> Even though it is an extensible framework in a source and
    binary compatible way, we may still alter other aspects, which might
    break stored data consistency. Hence why it's still not in the
    Harbour.  (sledges, 08:34:29)
  * ACTION: gmc to rally some crypto-nerds to do security audit on
    sailfish-secrets framework, if and when they have time  (sledges,
    08:54:30)

* General Discussion (30 min)  (sledges, 08:54:46)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-29th-oct-2020/2899/7
    (sledges, 08:55:10)
  * forgotten bit from thigg's topic earlier:  (sledges, 09:14:13)
  * <thigg> Sidenote: the UBPorts forum is publishing the results of
    their Q&A streams to the blog, which looks quite good, because you
    get some biweekly information there. Maybe it would be a good idea
    to publich the minutes of the community meetings in a separate
    section in the blog?  (sledges, 09:14:14)
  * <Jolla> the current primary community communications platform is the
    forum, where these minutes can be found easily in the first
    (Announcements) section; more visibility would be to promote forum
    in general  (sledges, 09:15:48)

* Next meeting time and date (5 min)  (sledges, 09:29:05)
  * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 12th November 2020 at 8:00am
    UTC:  2020-11-12T08Z  (sledges, 09:31:00)

Meeting ended at 09:31:09 UTC.




Action Items
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* gmc to rally some crypto-nerds to do security audit on
  sailfish-secrets framework, if and when they have time




Action Items, by person
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* gmc
  * gmc to rally some crypto-nerds to do security audit on
    sailfish-secrets framework, if and when they have time
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* sledges (89)
* rinigus1 (32)
* gmc (31)
* chriadam (28)
* thigg[m] (24)
* Flohack (23)
* ApBBB (22)
* flypig (21)
* Thaodan (19)
* KeeperoftheKeys (19)
* ahappyhuman (11)
* ggabriel (8)
* dcaliste (5)
* fridl (4)
* Venemo (4)
* sailbot (3)
* ViGe (3)
* abranson (3)
* Nico[m] (2)
* karry_ (1)
* ljo_ (1)




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