#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 21th October 2021

Meeting started by sledges at 07:00:04 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

    1. Meeting information and agenda can be found here: (sledges, 07:00:15)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-21st-october-2021/8423 (sledges, 07:00:18)

  2. Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (sledges, 07:00:27)
    1. Simonas Leleiva -- privateer for Jolla (sledges, 07:00:31)
    2. Otto Mäkelä -- community (ExTechOp, 07:00:52)
    3. thigg --- community dev (thilo[m], 07:01:00)
    4. Ville Nummela -- sailor@Jolla who almost forgot the meeting (ViGe, 07:01:03)
    5. Damien Caliste, community (dcaliste, 07:01:40)
    6. Andrew Branson, sailor@Jolla (abr, 07:01:56)
    7. Chris Adams, privateer at Jolla (chriadam, 07:02:06)
    8. lolek - sailfish user (lolek, 07:02:32)
    9. cartron - community (cartron, 07:02:38)
    10. David Llewellyn-Jones - sailor @ Jolla (flypig, 07:03:03)
    11. cy8aer - community (Cy8aer[m], 07:03:11)

  3. ui experience/accessibility (15 min -- asked by lolek) (sledges, 07:06:19)
    1. <lolek> Sailfish need some minor improvements so one hand usage will be better. There are lot of locations in the sailfish that requires to use second hand while it would be just a small ui change to improve this. One has to realize that all lists, should start from the bottom to the top not the opposite way. (sledges, 07:06:27)
    2. <lolek> For example the notes, the first note is located in the top left corner of the screen, impossible to reach there using one hand without fiddling with the phone. The same apply other places. There are of course other issues, some described by me here: (sledges, 07:06:37)
    3. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/one-hand-usage-accessibility-improvements/8406 (sledges, 07:06:47)
    4. <Jolla> This is very true. Devices have grown bigger and displays taller, and what worked for Jolla 1 is often no longer the case e.g. Xperia 10 II. Pulley menu allows accessing page action easily, but accessing the most recent items on the top has become unnecessarily difficult. (sledges, 07:07:01)
    5. <Jolla> Inverting sorting order of lists and grids is not trivial since people naturally read (=scan) information from top to bottom, and since we need to keep consistency with the other mobile operating systems (for many enterprise users Sailfish OS is not the only mobile device they use). (sledges, 07:07:13)
    6. <Jolla> We want and need to evolve Sailfish UX further, but as mature product and supporting existing user base we need to be careful with the changes we apply, which need to be applied consistently across the interface and verified empirically that we are going in the right direction. (sledges, 07:07:30)
    7. https://www.scotthurff.com/posts/how-to-design-for-thumbs-in-the-era-of-huge-screens/ (sledges, 07:12:21)
    8. (discussions about app closing and browser improvements, the latter you can contribute yourselves;) (sledges, 07:33:17)

  4. VoLTE implementation details (15 min -- asked by ApB) (sledges, 07:33:21)
    1. <ApB> As we've seen in the slides from Berlin VoLTE is planned for early 2022. Some questions arise and mainly how Jolla is going to approach the issue. Will the solution be open or closed? Which devices are going to be supported? (sledges, 07:33:39)
    2. <Jolla> The cellular middleware used in Sailfish OS oFono is open source and developed openly, but there are device-specific parts of the implementation that we may not be able to share publicly. Xperia 10 II is the first device we are planning to support, but we are looking to expand to other newer devices. (sledges, 07:33:56)

  5. Aptoide is still/again pushing an untrusted client why is it still in Jolla store? (5 min -- asked by KeeperoftheKeys) (sledges, 07:49:24)
    1. <KeeperoftheKeys> The aptoide store client seems to push dangerous and compromised software, this is either the second time this happened or it never stopped happening since last time. As the saying goes "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me", why is this clearly untrustworthy party still in the Jolla store endangering us? (sledges, 07:49:40)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/aptoide-untrusted-again/7650 (sledges, 07:49:45)
    3. <Jolla> Aptoide is a 3rd party marketplace in Jolla Store, but we have contacted Aptoide about these issues. We are no longer supporting the Sailfish-branded Aptoide and recently added up-to-date version of F-Droid, which provides privacy-respecting and open source apps for Android. (sledges, 07:50:17)

  6. General discussion (15 min) (sledges, 07:55:46)
    1. ongoing regression: (sledges, 08:03:04)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/ambiances-are-not-ordered-with-favorites-first-regression/6614 (sledges, 08:03:06)
    3. <ExTechOp> sometimes unlocking the device gives you the app you last used on top, and occasionally not (you get the tasks screen) -- this might be an aftermath of fixing https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/6253 (sledges, 08:05:07)
    4. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/join-our-10-year-celebration-in-helsinki-on-28th-october/8686 (sledges, 08:20:49)
    5. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-21st-october-2021/8710 (sledges, 08:23:01)

  7. Next meeting time and date (5 min) (sledges, 08:23:09)
    1. Next meeting will be held on Thursday 11th November 2021 at 8:00am UTC: 2021-11-11T08Z (sledges, 08:24:48)


Meeting ended at 08:25:02 UTC (full logs).

Action items

  1. (none)


People present (lines said)

  1. sledges (84)
  2. lolek (28)
  3. ExTechOp (23)
  4. thilo[m] (16)
  5. rinigus (16)
  6. abr (15)
  7. flypig (15)
  8. jpetrell (14)
  9. dcaliste (6)
  10. ViGe (5)
  11. chriadam (4)
  12. Thaodan (4)
  13. sailbot (2)
  14. Cy8aer[m] (2)
  15. cartron (1)
  16. piggz (1)
  17. thisisme (1)


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